Saw Hamilton today with my family. Thought it was pretty awesome. I liked how, even though the founding fathers were all black, they didn't reduce them to "waz up, mayne? Man deeze colonial bitches wit dem phat asses yo." Anyone else see it yet?
yeah I'm glad they kept the nobility of the founding fathers in tact
I'm not much of a musical guy, and before I saw it I thought the idea of blacks being the founding fathers was another liberal attempt to nigger-fy history aka "we waz kings", but I was getting into it after I warmed up to it. It wasn't bad.
"Miranda said that the portrayal of Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and other caucasian historical figures by black and Hispanic actors should not require any substantial suspension of disbelief by audience members. “Our cast looks like America looks now, and that’s certainly intentional,” he said. “It’s a way of pulling you into the story and allowing you to leave whatever cultural baggage you have about the founding fathers at the door.” He noted "We're telling the story of old, dead white men but we're using actors of color, and that makes the story more immediate and more accessible to a contemporary audience."
So basically, they decided to change the skin color of historical figures to make black people more comfortable. This is modern America.
I don't know it didn't really feel that way desu. I mean believe whatever you want but from a guy who saw it to me it felt more like something new done. Was it for best or for worst? who knows. I'd have to see it with white actors to make that decision. But the show was good. Music was good. Got a pretty good history lesson. Overall it was a fun time.
Hamilton gets away with all the shit it does because Miranda is a fucking beast. You can tell that guy loves the source material he's working with and knows how to play with language well.
Hamilton's isn't a retelling of history so much as it's using America's history to understand modern America and it sure as fuck isn't subtle about that with all the emphasis on shit like immigration.
I agree with you. my public education wasn't great so I didn't learn much about Alexander Hamilton. For the longest time I thought he was a president. But this musical really taught me a lot of cool shit about him. Like how he brought America out of bankruptcy with a plan that on;ly he himself came up with. Or how he caught beef with literally every other founding father and how most of the constitutional convention thought he was a major piece of shit.
Music was phenomenal. I'd highly recommend giving it a listen.
No they changed the skin color because the show is allegorical to the life of a modern American rapper. Also white people can't rap and just about every cast member but the Asian girl and the useless sister/whore have to rap at some point or another.
>not posting songs
ONE JOB OP ONE FUCKING JOB
Wait For was one of the most powerful songs in the show for me. I also liked how they didn't paint Aaron Burr as a straight out Villain and actually made it seem like him dueling Alexander was justified in some ways. The show was almost as much as Burr's as it was Hamilton's.
When I saw this, I honestly expected to hate it, but I really enjoyed it. I had never heard the soundtrack beforehand like a lot of other people I know, so maybe the experience is different if it's just audio, but combined with the visuals it was great for sure. I hope they make a DVD or something of it so more people can see it because it's sold out for all of this year iirc
I listened to the audio and got hype to book tickets and the only tickets still available were like shitty wing tickets that were 200 a piece. It's insane how popular this show is.
Makes me sad that the only time people care about history is when its repackaged as entertainment with trite little musical numbers and staged choreography to keep the plebians in their seat.
>as you can see i've kept a record of every check in my checkered history/check it again against your list and see consistency
>the gossip in new york city is insidious
>you're a nuisance with no sense/you'll die of irrelevance/go ahead and call me the devil/you aspire to my level/you aspire to malevolence
>if washington isn't gon' listen to disciplined dissidents/this is the difference/this kid is out
This shit gets me hard
Yeah, they announced a few months ago that the $10 is being redesigned and it will feature a woman instead of Hamilton once that happens. I think after people complained they said that Hamilton will be honored in some way on it, but that probably means he'll be tiny in the background or something.
Because honestly no one knows who he is or what he did. Which is a damn shame because he's basically the founder of our financial system. People just know him as "that revolutionary guy that may or may not have been president."
That could be a good thing to come from this musical, though. Maybe now that more people will know who he is that shit wont happen. Most people probably don't know who any of the people on our money are, sadly
>Because honestly no one knows who he is or what he did
Urban youth, Instagram, and illegal immgirants may not know, but real Americans know who the fuck he is you piece of fucking shit Freudian projecting idiot.
People really don't know who he is, dude. They just know he's a founding father. Go out in public and ask the first person you see who Alexander Hamilton is and what he did. Chances are they wont be able to answer or they'll only partially answer.
If I walk out into my community and ask my neighbor who Alex Hamilton is, he will know, his wife will know, and his children will know. How do I know this? I know all of my neighbors in a one-mile range and they're all real Americans and trustworthy, educated people.
Come out to Tooela, UT and ask your dumb 6th grade social studies question to anyone here. I guarantee we all know the answer.
The general public is now Syrian refugees, gangster rappers, and Mexicans. Try asking real Americans.
I saw Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark.
Not great, but a lot of fun, and some of the music is legitimately good.
With a slight rewrite it could be GOAT. Reeve Carney is the best live-action Spider-Man to date.
Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?
I'm not a cuck so I don't usually complain about "blackwashing" in these types of roles, but this really does seem like an attempt to make it seem like blacks were part of the founding fathers.
I usually don't like songs like that but LOJ kills it.
I wish they hadn't cut the Dear Theodosia reprise from the off broadway run. I get that they wanted to tighten the focus and everything but it paralleled Alexander's grief in It's Quiet Uptown well and put them thematically on more level footing.
>but this really does seem like an attempt to make it seem like blacks were part of the founding fathers.
You're completley wrong but thanks for the attempted contribution. Race isn't referenced in the play beyond some comments about slavery regarding actual historical facts, like the shit with John Laurens leading black men into battle. Immigration is a theme because Hamilton himself was a poor immigrant.
>lmao i didn't say anything about race i said something about black people
They're black/latino/asian actors completely aware of the fact that they're assuming the roles of white men. That's the entire point.
This is legitimately fantastic storytelling and writing for a musical (screenplay? libretto?) And the racial casting is consciously done in a way that more fully works toward the musicals goal than keeping it accurate (i.e. it's not just "let's make X white historical figure black for diversities sake" as in other instances). /tv/ not acknowledging that indicates they're willing to put politics before art just like the diversity quota producers they claim are ruining things.
>implying my dick didn't get hard because every reprise got more and more aggressive until burr was ready to go off on that motherfucker and it was well done
my favorite song is dear theodosia but I can't exactly say it got my dick hard without it being weird now can I
Rednecks always cite the founding fathers when they want to carry guns and kill niggers but aside from history buffs your average dude really doesn't have much knowledge about them. This musical was created because a dude read a biography of Hamilton and thought his life was fucking cool, not because the founding fathers are venerated or something.
In fact a big theme in this musical is that the founding fathers were often petty shitheads who couldn't agree about anything.
They aren't worshipped, but they were pretty damn intelligent and got shit done. They were pretty incredible people in a lot of ways. What are you, some kind of person who doesn't appreciate his country's historical figures?
>What are you, some kind of person who doesn't appreciate his country's historical figures?
My country doesn’t have any historical figures who are treated in the same quasi-mystical kind of way and seen as the default representation of the nation's values.
guy read a thousand page book on alexander hamilton. Thought "fuck it, I made loads on the musical I made, and who even fucking care's what a musical is about". and went on to make an even big profit than he did with his last show.
It's crazy to me that the urban/Instagram/Mexican population thinks that Alexander Hamilton is some mysterious figure whom no one knows about and that this shitty rap so-called "musical" is something worthy of praise.
Being a big theater buff, it's nice to see discussion of shows here. I think musicals get such a bad image to the public. Mention it to a normie, and they'll most likely think of stereotypical "jazz hands", silly, gay shows, or Disney movies. Not that those are bad, but compared to the amount of variety of music/stories that exist, I wonder if they will become more mainstream. Maybe if more filmed musical theater existed. After all, it's just storytelling using music. Anyway, here are some shows that can maybe change your mind towards musicals if you didn't like them before: Sweeney Todd, Hedwig and the Angry Inch, The Book of Mormon, Cabaret, Assassins, My Fair Lady (good movie), Jesus Christ Superstar, Carousel, Pippin, Little Shop of Horrors, and many more. Go down the rabbit hole.
>I think musicals get such a bad image to the public.
They really don't, the vast majority of them are as gay as all hell. The Robert Lopez ones are saved by their humor though, but even then most people won't care for the actual music.