>black actor even if the character has been described as Caucasian in the novels & comics for decades
>the opposite BAD guy is white
welcome to 2016 I guess....
>Shit idea, prolly gonna make the movie flop
>Who's behind this movie?
>look it up
Of course, the house of bad ideas, the studio that almost started the Ghostbusters cinematic universe.
The worst thing is that this is a lose/lose scenario. If it flops, we'll never get another shot at the adaptation, if it succeeds, it's shit.
>not casting Karl Urban
How do you fuck up this badly
>implying a nigger would be allowed to speak the high speech and become a gunslinger
This is just shitting all over the source material. Really disappointed about this.
Is Susanna gonna be white?
>Stephen "Cuck" King
>"Y-yeah that's a great idea, please rape my masterpiece; the color of thsi charismatic character I have carefully written for 30 years is not really important after all"
There is still hope for a better world.
You just need to make the right decision when the time comes
I blame BLACKED. The porn is so damn good, it's beginning to make people think everything getting BLACKED will improve it.
Actually, I haven't seen one project where a BLACKED role has been better than the cuckfree version.
Even the US Presidency was a roaring success.
Also is The Dark Tower any good?
Racist white slave owners prevented blacks from reading. Blacks learned to read anyways.
He's literally the only candidate who is funding himself. He's literally the only candidate who isn't the jews pocket. He's literally the only candidate who doesn't need to answer to corporations before he makes a decision.
He was wrong about burning books written by jews. This prevented people from reading Einstein's books to educate themselves on relativity which is the key to understanding the universe.
Have any of us stopped to consider what timespan this movie will cover? Just the first book? or what? the series is huge, no way it could cover it all even in a trilogy, they'd have to cut out so much.
that's fucking bullshit only black americans think like this most blacks that grew up in a european country act pretty much like the natives but some niggas are inspired by afro americans and kinda act like them
Idris Elba's probably the most shameless actor working currently.
It seems like all of his career as the "go-to" black actor is built on him accepting roles or expressing interest in roles that were originally written as white men.
>making money is wrong
>helping your friends is wrong
liberal sissies like you are the reason everyone is sick and tired of this bullshit. You are the reason Trump is going to win. I hope you get kicked out with all the muslims and mexican'ts, because you may not be the oil in the well of america, but you are the cuck who is fighting to keep that oil where it is.
This mainly bothers me because his race is actually important to the story. They'll have to make some serious character alterations to make this work.
If the differences are this serious before the script is even in place, it doesn't bode well for a seven book series with a multimedia adaptation planned.
Because he knows he is going to win the republican candidacy and he knows if Hillary wins the democrat candidacy he will become president because no one in their right mind is ever going to vote for a woman
>Relativity is a Jewish lie spread by Zionist "scientists".
All memes aside, you should actually try studying physics sometime. Relativity is the best theory we have for understanding the universe.
The thing that gets me is that this negates the interracial relationship between a white male character and a black female character.
To me that'd be more progressive than a simple black lead. This really isn't a step forward.
>All memes aside, you should actually try studying physics sometime.
>implying I don't know that the thieving kike stole Lorentz and Minkowski's work for his "Electrodynamics..." paper and didn't give a single reference or citation
Nice try Chaim
I'm half black and think it's fine, I don't see the big deal, Elba is a well known high profile actor good with action roles.
I don't get why white people complain about this shit. I was talking with my mom's husband while she was upstairs with my dad and he seemed to be realy annoyed. It's just skin colour.
Literally the greatest presidential candidate I've ever seen
>hey this good actor is playing a character from a book
>the book said he was white a couple times
>literally makes no difference to the character
you guys are literally controlled by blacks, spend all day fuming about them and thinking about them
and the cuck is the one that isnt?
If I remember a line from the book, a black female character called Roland, "A mother fucking honky". Pretty sure the only people who get called a "honky" are white people. Don't forget all the graphic novels, the drawn covers, etc that depict Roland as white. Oh wait, just like Hermione in Harry Potter they dont go into every minute detail of a character's genealogy to know if they are white or not. Thanks libtards.
These fucks haven't read Stephen King's work, my friend... most fuckers have only seen the terrible movie adaptations of his works. They call themselves fansXD yet literally have no idea just how fucking nuts fiction can be. Probably why they suck Game of Throne's dick so hard.
Please explain what you think wasn't serious about my rebuttal. It's been proven through multiple polls that people are going to vote for Trump over Hillary and the gap is growing every day. Trump has said many times in interviews that he hopes Hillary wins the democratic vote because then he is essentially guaranteed the presidency
Roland (Elba) is the main character. To fulfil his destiny, he has to draw some people from our world to his. One is another white guy, Eddie. Later, he draws a black woman, Odetta, who is in a wheelchair because she lost both her legs below the knees.
Odetta is from the time fo the civil rights movement in the USA, and was big on peaceful and nonviolent protests. She ALSO has a split personality called Detta, who is a violent, criminal and very racist towards whites. She (Detta) tries multiple times to kill Roland and Eddie because she thinks the "Honky Mahfaks" are trying to poison her (they're not). Eventually, Roland forces her into a mental confrontation with herself, creating a baanced third personality called Susannah.
It's not as huge a part of the story as sme people are making out, but it's the main part of Odetta/Detta/Susannah's characterisation. Other than that, I can't think of anything other than Eddia frequently saying that Roland looks like Clint Eastwood.
I don't watch niggerdom.
>I'm half black
>I was talking with my mom's husband while she was upstairs with my dad
I want /pol/ to leave
I'm all for calling out niggers for crime stats or when they whine about not being represented but Elba is a legitimately good actor an he can do a great job with DT
plus I hated the books so idgaf
>My point is this wasn't a 20 year long ruse
You think a successful plan to become the most powerful man in the world happens in a year? Also 2008 was 8 years ago not 20.
>Fuck me, right?
Yes. Fuck you, reddit. Why is it so hard for you liberals to provide facts and statistics in your arguments? And why do you always sound like such sissies?
>being a good actor means you are good for every role
I also think Elba is a great actor. He was amazing in Beasts of No Nation. But because I don't fantasize about watching my gf get fucked by a black man I am able to realize that this is the worst casting choice ever.
Honestly I would be happier if they left most of that part out, mostly because I don't think they could have a crazy black lady in a wheelchair shouting about white people and it not be fucking hilarious, instead of seeing her as potentially deadly
I don't accept anything except the truth. Donald Trump is the only candidate who gives us the unfiltered truth and tells the people what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear.
way to start off well and crash and burn within a few words
basically you don't like the casting because he's black. As if some white meme actor like Channing Tatum or Chris Pratt would be a better choice
Yes, they would be better picks. Why can't you retards respect the stories you're sucking money from like vampires? Some nigger isn't going to make this a smashing hit over Chris Pratt or some other famous white man that fits the role.
What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? You liberals are so desperate to prove that you are more progressive than the last that you've completely lost touch with reality. It's like you want people to think you've evolved to a point where you can't see color. It's the reason societies moral pendulum has started swinging back towards the right and it's the reason Trump is going to win the presidency
I can't respect this particular story because it's a series of Stephen King brainfarts and he admitted as much
And Chris Pratt wouldn't be a good fit because the script won't have funny quips every 5 minutes or toilet humor
kek, I'm not liberal and I don't give a fuck who the new corporate puppet in the white house will be
It was kind of funny, but that didn't take away from her being a very real threat.
I think it was Roland (or could have been Eddie) that explains
That they think that Detta's personality is a fabrication. One she made up to cover up her true cunning and ferocity. At one point she even hog ties Eddie and chokes him out while a bunch of lobster monsters come and almost eat him.
The casting makes no sense since Roland is lean and gets more and more gaunt from his endless questing.
Elba, while a very good actor, is rather buff and stocky so it doesn't really add up, especially since I doubt he plans to lose 60+ lbs for the role to look the part.
Not to mention that he's not really someone who comes to mind when you think of an arthurian gunslinger.
At this point Viggo, who's getting old and weathered would be a good choice for it.
>I can't respect this particular story because it's a series of Stephen King brainfarts
Then you have no place here to state your opinion. You'd defend Oprah being Roland. You're the lowest form of idiot. Why are you here?
Who gives a fuck he is a great actor? He should play parts suited for him. Being a great actor shouldn't automatically put you on the lead for the Hillary Clinton biopic. This Elba situation is getting out of hand, dude is making a career of being miscast.
To add to this, he spends the whole book dying of AIDS while Eddie, a white man, takes care of him.
It's a huge plot point that explores Eddie's addiction and allows him to stop being the prisoner
Changing Roland to a black man and then having to dance around the PC characterization fucks this series up in so many ways.
top lel, as if you're some massive DT fan
you're just some /pol/ kid who can't handle the fact that a character written as white would be played by a black actor even if it means he'll be much better at the role than [flavor of the year meme faggot #981]
AYYYOO SO HOL UP
AYYYYYOO AYO SO HOL UP HOL UP
SO YOU BE SAYN
>rapes a white women
AYYO AYO SO HOL UP
>robs a liquor store
SO HOL UP YOU BE SAYN
SO YOU BE SAYN
>tries to grab a copy's gun
DAT I BE SOME KINDA
>degrades popular culture
>dies in a drive-by
>first book involves Roland arriving in a small town and fucking a prostitute that will probably be pale and blonde
>second part involves him fucking a witch that will probably be pale and ginger
>Mordred is half-black now with his white part being the evil one
>Flagg is a white guy that as a backstory was raped by a gang of blacks
>Susannah will be a pale white woman
>Tick-Tock man will be a white supremacist
The only thing that can salvage this is if they get Sam Worthington as Eddie.
He was born to play that part.
Am I the only one that feels bad for Stephen King? He just can't win. Retards always fuck up his stories and even more retards will claim these awful movies are better than the shocking novels because "heh I'm intelligent for attacking the most famous horror author of the 20th century!"
Roland himself is a ragged, fucked up middle aged man. I think he could pull it off.
Will not watch, considering they're going to depict a black man wiping out a whole town (children included), then letting another kid die....
Roland isn't supposed to be likable, he should be cast as a kind of villain. Eddie is supposed to be the likable male lead.
The series starts with Roland chasing the man in black across the desert, years after he became a Gunslinger and the world had moved on.
This would have been not even a year before his meeting with the man in black, who as >>64972056 said, ages him considerably.
not unless race is a critical component of the character or would be 100% weird and out of place for the setting. None of which apply in the fake alternate universe of DT where there are vampires, ghosts and other assorted bullshit
>there are vampires, ghosts and other assorted bullshit
What does that matter? There's vampires so that means Queen Latifah can be Roland! Do you not see how silly that is? It's 2016 your argument has been torn to shreds 100 times over.
>not unless race is a critical component of the character
>none of which apply
You went full retard. Not only does Roland's race have importance to his characterization, it has importance to OTHER character's characterizations. You change Roland to a black man, you lose a shit ton of characterization that makes sense. As it is, DT already has a god damn interracial couple. And by making Roland a black man, the hollyjews will force whoever writes and directs this piece of shit to make sure that Roland is a likable character, when the fact is that Roland is a piece of shit in the first book, and through much of the second.
Considering time is wonky in DT universe and he has gone through the journey countless times, yes he's basically ancient.
However, biologically he is middle aged at the beginning of Gunslinger.
there's vampires so there can also be black people so a black man could play Roland
>DT already has a god damn interracial couple
guess what, make the chick non-black and you have another interracial couple. Boy would that rustle your acne though
IT's ending was fucking beautiful. I felt like part of the Loser's Club and the whole "forgetting eachother" shit plays masterfully when you realize as a reader the story and emotions fade and fade from your mind.
/pol/ starts researching books when there's a possibility that a white character would be black in some adaptation
it's weird, I bet most of these kids hadn't heard of the books before this thread
tbqh stepfam, americans deserve this, the nigger problem went out of their control long ago.
I'm so happy to live in a country where the nigger problem was quickly resolve and i don't have to deal with this shit never
I know this is bait and you never actually read the books, but a quick google search will show you that the relationship is between Eddie and Sussanah, not Roland and Sussanah :)
>inb4 make all the males black and have the chick be the only white girl
Wouldn't surprise me. She can call them niggers and think they're going to rape her all the time. That would be lovely.
All of his masterclass stories were written while he was high as hell. That's not a bad thing in the least. He's not a crane operator. The stoner character at the end weirded me out though for sure. "FAR OUT MAAAAAAAAAAN" kek
Sony sure knows how to fuck up franchises. Just fucking go bankrupt already!
>The whole Susannah Dean and Roland thing is fucked now. She hated his cracker ass in the first book.
That's the point you idiot. They were never going to show odetta calling him a cracker honkey rapist faggot because it would stir up way to much shit. Just think of how the tumblr crowd would react to a scene of two white men trying to help a black woman and she was just being an awful cunt.
>a bunch of plebs in denial getting emotional over a Stephen King adaptation
Stay riled you field-tilling commoners.
So they'll have to show a white woman calling a black Roland a nigger or a black woman calling him an uncle tom and eddie and cracker? It's impossible to characterize any of them without some racism.
>missing the point this hard
They're not going to play the racial aspect of it you fool. No matter which one is black, they were never going to do that scene anything like in the books. She will just call him an asshole and other generic insults instead.
Sure you can change some stuff up. But fundamentally shifting the characters to fit some kind of diversity quota kills it. They would have to completely rewrite the first two books in order to make sure they don't offend anyone.
A straight 1:1 adaptation would actually be pretty great. I'd love to see Roland slaughter a whole town and then let a little boy fall to his death. Make him black and see if those establishing scenes stay in
>A straight 1:1 adaption would be boring, at least for those who read the books.
It's fair to defend an adaptation doing its own things, but fans that read source materials usually prefer shit being 1:1. Typically changes from the story are fucking awful too so it's really logical. Look at Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead... their original shit is usually garbage. (inb4 you write those 2 stories off because you're a fucking sheep)
> Idris Elba is a great actor
Where does this meme come from? He's good don't get me wrong but he's like the ultimate B-grade actor, with nothing memorable in his career.
He always plays the general in zombie/alien movies, he was a big guy in Thor....like what? Mandela? Fuck off.
Why ruin the source material like this by hacking apart characterization and character interactions? There's literally no excuse for this considering the amount of actors that fit the bill they could have tried for.
especially when you consider the whole point of the dark tower it's is supposed to be as 1:1 as possible.
Eddie literally points out that Roland IS Clint Eastwood when they're walking through New York because the overlapping of the universes is such a huge fucking plot point
>But fundamentally shifting the characters to fit some kind of diversity quota kills it
But Idris Elba is a damn good actor. So even if it's to fill up some quota, they picked a good guy for the job.
It's like picking Marlon Brando for a white guy quota.
I just want to know whats the official 'reason' behind such decision
Because logically, there could be only three:
- We hire a black guy because literally no white actor currently working in Hollywood is capable of portraying that white character
- We hire a black guy because its director's 'vision', and he's colour blind
- We hire a black guy to appear progressive as fuck/get some free controversy PR
None of these really sound convincing.
Just because he's a good actor, doesn't mean he's a good fit. If "good actor" is the only criteria required to fulfill a role, why doesn't anyone cast him as a proud latina woman? The argument falls flat whenever you apply it to anything but a white character, because nobody cares if you blackwash a white character.
Honestly tho, if the guy is a good actor, and the casting director has made no indication of doing it for progressive reasons, why would you get worked up?
Clearly they have something planned, or they decided (the writers, or Stephen King, depending) that it's not that big of a problem.
Not really. There's less gang warfare and fewer shitty rolemodels like Tupac for them to emulate, so they grow up better than their American counterparts. I think I read somewhere that in England, location is more indicitive of criminal behaviours than race is.
how about I write a series of high selling acclaimed novels and mention that the main character is black, and then I get the ok to make it into a series or movie
now, i hand it over to the casting fucks and production crews and shit and they change the main character into a white male instead of a black guy like was written
would the black community get upset?
would there be outrage in hollywood?
so then, why can't the whites get a bit miffed about this shit tier decision
he's a good actor and all, but fuck that progressive grab bag bullshit
it's not all about the money, there could be scheduling issues, some actors would probably reject the part etc.
in any case Elba would be near the top of the list of any 4-5 actors you line up and there's no guarantee a white A lister was ever in line for this
Why don't you retards read the article? Their source is "Lawyer's Herald", and their article is pure bullshit. All they have is the same " maybe" statement from before? It's all bullshit, he isn't confirmed for anything. I mean, I have no issue with black people playing black characters. But white characters shouldn't be recast with black actors, and vice versa. The most important aspect of a book-to-movie adaption is accuracy (unless they don't want the same ending or something, but that's different). The characters are the characters, they shouldn't be changed.
Read here, it's not confirmed, the article is bullshit.
The people always screaming about race in movies actually have a point in this case. The character of Roland is supposed to be white because of characters he meets later and their dynamic. Idris is a good actor in an age where we celebrate mediocrity. It's all just unfortunate.
Judging by his commentary over the years, he's powerless in this shit. Have to wonder why he didn't hold filming rights a tad more close to heart like other authers. It ain't like successful faithful hard Rs couldn't have gotten made. It ain't like he wouldn't be rich just from his books. Fucking junky.
Matthew can play Roland and Idris can play the man in black.
>yfw the producers were trolling all along.
>Let's make a movie out of this book
>A pretty big part of this character is that he's white
>Who cares, let's make him black, because why not?
People should make their own stories with black characters instead of doing this shit
Many posters among the shitposter collective have pointed out several instances throughout the series as to why Roland's race is critical to the characterization of the ka-tet.
Also this. They'll most likely get some nobody so they can lock down a cheap contract for all the movies, ala star wars.
Most of Kubrick's movies including The Shining are fucking stupid. It's a movie you enjoy ironically because Muh Nicholson being wacky! Which is fine but it's not something to defend when it's supposed to be a work of art.
>You cite a TV single series
One of the most critically lauded of all time, yes.
And the words we were initially responding to were "nothing memorable". How are you this messed up over anon simply responding and saying that this isn't true? Did your last girl start to go and get deepdicked by black guys behind your back or something? The guy has been in at least one memorable thing. It isn't the end of the world to concede this.
Pretty sure King takes peoples money to put his namee on their books. It's the only way that makes sense for me that he manages to shit out so many books and why the quality varies so much.
Morgan Freeman proved to be the GOAT narrator with a stellar performance of a character that only had a racial issue with his name being Red. I don't remember any character interactions/relationships relying on him being Irish?
You can give King a lot of shit, but he has intergity. He did the whole Bachman experiment just to prove to himself that he's more than a name. Last 3 Dark Tower books turned out shitty because he realised his obligation to readers to finish the 20+years old opus instead of dragging it forever like a certain fat bearded person
/pol/ was right again. It starts with fiction and slowly creeps into history and culture. 100 years from now people would think Einstein and Roosevelt were black. Kojima tried to warn us all and we didn't listen
They're an exception. They were good, even great as movies imo, on most aspects except accuracy to the books. You can have a movie that is good just as a movie, but shit as an adaption.
If it's an adaption, then yes. If it's some book based spin off crap shoot, then who gives a shit? No. I mean, that's like saying Straight Outta Compton (shit imo, but I'll use it as an example) could have been casted with all white actors because it wasn't 100% accurate to the NWA story. Not defending it, but it would be stupid to cast those main characters as white guys, as stupid as casting this main character as a black guy.
If they really had to get a black guy for this they should have gotten Danny Glover.
Roland is literally too old for this shit and Glover already proven he can play badasses very well.
I gotta agree with the other Anon, Straight Outta Compton was based off a true story. Making the blokes in that film white is like making Askia Mohammad white, or George Washington black.
Roland ain't real.
I know minority actors/filmmakers will pocket millions and then bark about representation. I was referring to the audiences who believe minority castings like this are progressive, when in reality its used as a marketing ploy.
Sony isn't funding an all female ghost busters because they want to be seen as progressive, there is money to be made off this current trend. Same goes for Chief Kief being replaced by a black guy on 24.
>The thing that gets me is that this negates the interracial relationship
It also negates the crazy shit she had to break through to become a functioning member of the ka-tet.
Now she's just going to be a crazy redneck racist who hates dem darkies until Rolando Jones shows her the error of her white devil ways.
I like Elba but this was a dumb as fuck casting call. I don't expect anything but praise from Stephen "Guns are scary, read my books about gunslingers" King though.