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Is Kylo Ren the best Star Wars villain?
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Is Kylo Ren the best Star Wars villain?
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Nope
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>>64966851
he was alright in Genndy's cartoon
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only the potential so far
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what makes Kylo Ren a great villain is the fact that he doesn't even know how to be a proper villain
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>>64967356
I want him to fuck everything up and end up being one of the saddest characters ever
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>>64966817
Can someone tell me again why his name isn't Darth Kylo or something?
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>>64967464
he isn't sith?
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>>64967464
Because Kylo Ren and Snoke are not Sith.

The entire point of that character is that he WANTS to be Darth Vader but he keeps fucking up. So he's not a "Darth"
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>>64967464

Because it's not faggot. He leads the knights of Ren. Now shut you dad cum catcher.
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Sheev will always be GOAT
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>>64966817
>scene where he risks his life to save Rey
>he gives a her a look that articulates all of the love he has for her without saying a word
>he dies with a frightened look on his face
He really has the potential to be a really good tragic character
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>>64966817

So far by far.
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>>64967544
Ok, so where are the knights of ren?
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>>64966817

Yes.
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>>64967505
So why isn't snoke a Darth
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>>64967584
this is exactly what will happen in SW IX
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>>64967595
We haven't found out yet dumb ass. What don't you get? Some questions are left unanswered. Please learn how to watch a movie you simple shoulda been aborted water head. Thnx.
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>>64967644
Because he's not a Sith either. JJ was adamant that Snoke and Kylo Ren are a new breed of Dark Side user, they don't follow the same doctrines of the Sith.

They didn't go too far into it in this chapter because they were just setting up the universe, I can imagine in episode VIII we'll find out more about them and the Knights of Ren
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>>64967644
We haven't been told. Understand? Do you get that? Have you considered suicide? You should.
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>>64967699
This. Learn how to experience a story you silly blokes.
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>>64967410
I expect hes going to have some big redemption arc, kinda like evil fire guy in avatar last airbender.
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>>64967356
And his turn wasn't shown so it spared the viewer from cringe. Kind of hope he remains mysterious, at least in the movies.
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I actually hope they abandon the concept of the Sith altogether and replace them with the Knights of Ren
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>>64967999
that's the plan
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>>64967999
Ot fag leave
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Meet the future Mrs. Ren.
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>>64968189
You're the fav idiot. Catch a upset tummy you fart eater.
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>>64968494
She was fucking great. Great scene.
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>>64968494
Rey was one of my favorite parts of the movie
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>>64968494
Keeping it in the family, I see.
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Yes. Next question
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>>64969299
Why is he so cute?
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>>64969299
Find a flaw. I dare anyone.
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>>64969352
Ears.
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>>64969380
But his ears and his nose are exactly what make him so beautifully unique, anon.
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>>64969352
I would love to have him fuck me all day everyday but his nose and ears are big, his teeth are imperfect, his face is long, and his chin is kinda small.

Those eyes though. Hnnnnnnnngggghhhhh
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>>64967684
>>64967699
>>64967780

ITT: Millenials that are more used to watching series than movies telling us that movies should be like series
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>>64969326
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>>64969844
Did Adam get fucked too?
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is this a driverlust thread?
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>>64969471
This

People these days don't even watch movies. It's just television presented in the cinema.

A movie has to stand on it's own in order to be legitimate. You should ask yourself after every film: "Do they have to make a sequel in order for this to make sense/be good?"

If the answer is yes, they fucked up.
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>>64969844
jesus christ, terry
stop fucking everyone
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>>64969844
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>>64969471
>>64971497
Why didn't ANH explain the Force in depth to us? Why didn't we learn who Darth Vader was? Why didn't we meet the Emperor?

Because it wasn't relevant to the story being told in ANH, you fucking sperglord
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>>64970706
>KB
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>>64971688
skyloton haha :^)
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>>64970706
jesus
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>>64970706
It should be.
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>>64966817
He's definitely the most dynamic of all the SW movie villains. We'll have to see how he develops later in the other films though.
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Yes. He's easily the deepest villain in the franchise. Darth Vader was great but they handled Kylo way better than Darth Vader was handled in ANH
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>>64971497
What doesn't make sense in TFA without a sequel?
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>>64966817
He was probably the worst Star Wars villain.

Halfway through he started fucking up sooooo bad and he gets his ass kicked by a bunch of newbies. Then when he takes off his mask, he turns into a scared little kid.

He's so anti-climactic.
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>>64967505
He keeps fucking up and that's why I don't like his character.

The OG Sith never fucked up. Never that bad. Kylo Ren, for the main bad guy, was a let down.
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>>64971671

Don't be stupid.

A movie lasts what it lasts. Obviously you aren't told everything about everyone.

Now there's a difference between stuff not being told, and 'misterious things that will be further explained in upcoming movies' (I simply call them plot holes) and cliffhangers.

First time you watch ANH you don't feel like there's anything missing. Darth Vader: you don't know who the fuck his parents are or if he has any son. You just know this guy was Ben's apprentice and killed a lot of jedis. Then you watch ESB and boom, fucking surprise: he's Luke's father. The scene makes a lot of effect on you because you didn't see it coming. That's how good films work.

TFA is totally different. When you go out of the theater (or just 30 mins after the movie started) you just know Rey is some main character's daughter. Probably Luke's, could be Han's or even Obi Wan's, who knows. But you already know.

The thing here is that this mistery is not about contributing to the movie itself, but about making you go and see the next one to find out. The whole point of that is to make money out of you. It doesn't make the movies better. It actually makes 'em worse because when you get told Rey is Luke's daughter (or Han's, or Ben's, doesn't matter) you'll be 'yeah... big surprise...'.

Everything in this movie was extremely predictable.

But the worst thing is that there's stuff that's not explained intentionally to make you go and see the next movie, but there are also other things that aren't told out of lazyness or are pure plot holes a lot of people here try to justify with the 'it will be later explained' bullshit.
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>>64972199
His mask should have been taken off during episode 9
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>>64972247
I bet you love Darth Maul
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>>64972199
None of this takes away from his status as a villain or a character. It just proves you're a dumbass who wanted some "supr badass" Darth Vader redux.
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>>64972247
>The OG Sith

Prequel baby confuckingfirmed.

The stuff that happened in your videogames and your cartoons is irrelevant to the movies, as a protip.
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>>64968189
>OT fag
lol

>WAAAH HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE MY ASPERGERS CATERING SCHLOCK!!
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>>64972313
>things that aren't told out of lazyness or are pure plot holes
Spoon feed me examples.
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shut up and post hot drivers
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>>64972613
meant to contribute
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>>64972613
you mean like this?
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vader and sheev are the best
darth maul is also cool
fuck all the others
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>>64966817
He was, until he took off that mask and looked like a fuckboi
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>>64969352
>zits
>ears
>broken nose
>long face
>crooked chin

He is literally disgusting.
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>>64972583

i.e. how can Rey get her force powers so fast and beat Kylo Ren?

Typical pleb poster would say 'hurr durr it will be explained in next movies' and come up with some theory made by himself about how she probably was actually trained in the force but she has amnesia or her memory was erased.

Well, you actually get to see how she is abandoned in Jakku when she was what? 8?

Are you telling me because of all the training she got until she was fucking 8 she can make a stand, both with the lightsaber and using the force, against a man that has been training all that time since she was 8?

Like how with all you learned about math when you were 8 you could beat someone half the way on a Math degree solving differential equations?

It just feels odd. The plot contradices both itself and what you've been told in other movies so many fucking times.
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>>64969299
>>64969433
>>64969844
>>64970706
>>64971688
>>64971796
>>64972655
>>64972709
>if we airbrush and cover half his fucking face, he might almost look human

Cumberbatch tier fugly
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Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbYSVCV_xM
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>>64966817
He's Lokitier shit.
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>>64966817

>that's not a picture of general veers...
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>>64966817
Best designed? Maybe. Best character. Lets wait for two more movies before we decide that.
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>>64966817
BUT

WHY
DOES
HE
WEAR
THE
MASK

HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED IT
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>>64973140
Stereotypical beauty is tiring.
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He looks better with the mask off, imho.
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>>64973306
There's stereotypical beauty and then there's not looking like you're a result of incest.

Kylofags are pure cancer.
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>>64973306
that's one of the ugliest mofos I've seen, you gotta have some standards
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>>64973314
Sure is tumblr in here
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>>64967790

Zuko didn't kill the most likeable character in the series in Avatar.

They really needed to do something to get the audience against The First Order and that was it, he might say he's sorry but that'll probably only be after he's about to die Vader style.
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>>64972138
Why is Rey gifted with the ability to roll over every problem she ever encounters?
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>>64972313
>Rey could be Obi Wan's daughter

Obi Wan dies at the end of A New Hope
The Force Awakens takes place more than 30 years later.
Rey is about 20 years old.

You don't seriously think she could be Obi Wan's daughter do you?
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>>64972583
Why did Luke completely abandon all his character arc from the OT and decided to fuck off to god knows where abandoning his family and the entire galaxy to a merciless dark side user?

How did the first order manage to build a super weapon 5x larger than the Death Star when they were just a small splinter group that formed off the ashes of the Empire?

How come nobody had heard of the Starkiller base before, but when the plot demanded it they suddenly had the plans to it and its exact location?

How did Rey become a master pilot and engineer despite her only ever working with ancient broken down ship parts?

Who was Maz and why did she conveniently have Anakin's lightsaber? How the fuck did she even know what the Force was or how it worked?

Why is the resistance such a tiny group that's clearly underpowered in comparison to the first order despite being basically sponsored by the Republic, you know, the huge galactic government?

How did Rey gain access to all those Force powers and how did she become so proficient at using the Force when he was so hesitant to use it before and having basically zero training in what the Force even was?

If Luke fucked off and didn't want to be found, why did he leave a map to trace him?
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>>64973692
>Why did Luke completely abandon all his character arc from the OT and decided to fuck off to god knows where abandoning his family and the entire galaxy to a merciless dark side user?
Something to do with the old Jedi Temple I guess.

>How come nobody had heard of the Starkiller base before, but when the plot demanded it they suddenly had the plans to it and its exact location?
#1: Finn. #2, they got a tip when the Starkiller started charging its weapon with the Resistance solar system as its target. I get what you mean, but that "nobody" had heard of the Starkiller base probably isn't true.

>Who was Maz and why did she conveniently have Anakin's lightsaber? How the fuck did she even know what the Force was or how it worked?
Maz is at least a thousand years old. It's not unbelievable for her to have her ways. (That said, fuck her character)

>If Luke fucked off and didn't want to be found, why did he leave a map to trace him?
Lor San Tekka found the map which might have led not necessarily to Luke, but to the Old Jedi Temple. Even the opening scrawl stated that LST had a CLUE to Luke's whereabouts.
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>>64973110
>Are you telling me because of all the training she got until she was fucking 8 she can make a stand, both with the lightsaber and using the force, against a man that has been training all that time since she was 8?

No, it was because he was mortally wounded by chewies' blaster and that he (like in a new hope) was not trying to kill Rey Mixer, but bring her to snek
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>>64973159
Who's the old guy, mate?
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>>64966851
What did he do *in the movies* that was good cool, memorable, or in any way better than kylo. Explain without needing to dip into the DLC. Movie content only.
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>>64974579
>Waaah I cant be bothered to watch anything but the movies

OP said Star Wars, not "The Star Wars films". You cant pick and choose what does and doesn't count
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>>64973110
She's untrained but stronger than she knows.
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>>64974659

The OT was a complete, and coherent story, where I can tell you all about the characters and how cool they are based only on the films.

This isn't the case with the pt, with it's fractured narative and plot gaps.

To your point though, OP didn't specify films only, so I'll concede, and post on topic.

Kreya is the best villain, imo.
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>>64974516
His name is something like Lor San Tekka
literally just a dude.
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>>64974831
>>64974659
OP doesn't have to specify "movies only".

Anything outside the movies is meaningless and most of us haven't seen it anyway.
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The real question is why Rey got a complete pass on going full-on ragemonster on Kylo and nobody says a god damn thing about it.
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He's probably the most popular one in Reddit.
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>>64966817
Shiny stormtrooper is the best and we both know it.
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>>64975008
people do talk about it. It is one of the main clues to her eventual darkside turn, that and the simple fact that her narrative is boring and meaningless without it.
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>>64975335
My stepdaughter wanted the toy immediately...
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>>64975410

They won't do this, think of the outrage.
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>>64973686
He probably meant granddaughter.
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>>64975454
She will, but it will be temporary.
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>>64975008
>>64975410
Apparently in the novelization she hears a voice telling her to kill Kylo. Could be Snoke or some other dark force.
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>>64973395
Incest babies don't typically have big noses/big ears
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>>64966851
This. Sheev is a Gary Stu. Vader is probably number two
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>>64974479
Not only that but he was spiritually conflicted as well. He felt the sway of the light side too much which made his hateful actions detract from his powers rather than enhance them.
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>>64975445
Same here man, my wife's son has piles of merchandise.
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>>64966817
Best acting ever by a villain

That's not saying much at all. The entire cast was just chosen because they're either bi or can cry on command
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The best villain is darth Vader and always has been, anyone who denies it is just trying to be different
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>>64975335
>Uhhh, yeah, ok bitch
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