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What went right?
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nothing
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>>64956353
/thread
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>>64956341

Third viewing last night. The flaws were a lot more glaring this time around. Still enjoyed it a lot though
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It was family friendly and inoffensive to minorities
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Everything. Best Star Wars movie since ROTJ and possibly the best one after The Empire Strikes Back. Much better than all of the prequels (despite Ewan McGregor's very good performance). Fuck the haters.
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>>64956341
the kike propaganda
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>>64956382
>manchildren watching the film multiple times
>still BTFO by titanic
go die piece of shit.
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>>64956479
I am Kylo Ren
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>>64956341

Nothing really, it's just kind of "eh".

It's like if a Mary Sue fanfic got big budget financing.

also Kylo looks like Han in the animated part of the Christmas special.
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>>64956493
Have you ever considered that people are watching the film multiple times because they enjoyed it, not because they want it to beat some arbitrary box office record that no one but autists care about?
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>>64956341
I thought the battle outside the castle was fun at least. Between the fight with the stormtrooper with the baton and the X-Wings strafing the surface of the water, it was pretty exciting, probably the best moment in Star Wars since the OT.

Everything else sucked though
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>>64956493

Was seeing it with some friends who hadn't seen it yet. Why you so mad?
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James Boyega took over the film. His character was the only worthwhile addition. But it had some logic gaps too. He hated killing but had zero problem murdering brainwashed storm troopers.
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>>64956552
What's to enjoy for this movie that required 3 viewings? Like I get watching a movie multiple times. Some are that good and thought provoking that you want to. This movie was a bland by the books no surprises no frills nothing deep generic story starring an unbeatable Mary Sue. It's the kind of movie you watch once, get your junk food fix in and never care about again.
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It has made /tv/ the first fast board that appeals to a larger audience(tumblr, reddit, random superhero/star wars movie forums) which means for ad impressions which means more money for 4chan
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What went right? Hmmn.

It was entertaining and it didn't seem like it was filmed entirely in front of a green screen. I think that is all i can say.

6.5/10
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when the fuck are we getting a god damn torrent of this
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>>64956613

>Opinions, what are they?
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>>64956341
It wasn't prequel shit.
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Marketing and established fanbase.
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>>64956493

>Titanic
>Highest grossing movie OF ALL FUCKING TIME domestically
>inb4 worldwide
>Domestic is the only one that matters.

BTFO FAGGOT, FUCKING LEAVE AND GO JERK OFF WITH YOUR TEARS TO JACK DYING AGAIN, FUCKING LOSER

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

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>>64956644
Ok you have an opinion now justify it. I made my case now make yours. This is how discussion and debate works you passive aggressive child.
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>>64956341
When it came down to it, the only things that really bothered me were Finn not acting like a brainwashed stormtrooper and turning on the Order and Phasma agreeing to lower the shields.

The rest of it really was fine for me.

Rey Sue, Talking Orange and Death Star III honestly didn't rustle me.
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>>64956604
He hated killing innocent people

there's a difference between murdering people begging for their lives and people who will kill you if you don't kill them
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>>64956740

>Opinions, what are they?
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>>64956824
>i can't justify my opinion

The modern Star Wars audience folks. Literally children.
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>>64956755
The storm troopers are innocent too. They were kidnapped from birth and brain washed into fighting.
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>>64956740

I don't have to justify anything to you, you internet debating loser. I saw it 3 times, because I wanted to, and because I enjoyed it.
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>>64956341
Disney. Whether you want to admit it or not.
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>>64956740
>expecting children of imdb and /v/ being able to do such thing
haha
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>>64956843

>Opinions, what are they?
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>>64956886
So you literally are a child then?
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>>64956341
casting oscar
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>>64956400
>fuck the haters

People on /tv/ literally sound like Facebook now
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>>64956922
>i can't justify my opinion

The modern Star Wars audience folks. Literally children.
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>>64956935

>only children can enjoy things

Yeah I guess so then? Why are you so desperate for people to explain to you why they enjoy things? Is your life so sad and meaningless that you need strangers on the internet to give you clues and ideas on how to be a happier person, instead of dark and brooding alone in your room?

Are you Kylo Ren?
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>>64956967
>frogposting
People on /tv/ literally sound like Facebook now
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>>64957004
>Yeah I guess so
I am glad we agree you are a child.
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>>64956341
muhfuggin poe dameron is the best character in the movie, thats almost about it
i wasnt surprised by how humorous the monkey was, they are always good for a laugh
everything else sucked
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>>64956341
Finn, Kylo Ren, and the general direction (particularly in the first 20 minutes) went right. The movie was fine, the complaints are mostly nitpicks and trolling.
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>>64956847
Yes, and I'm sure if they weren't shooting at him Finn would love to sit down and talk to them and have a long conversation about how the First Order is evil and they've been brainwashed

but when someone is trying to kill you what the fuck are you supposed to do?
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>>64957004
>admitting you're underage
Enjoy your year ban kiddo
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>>64957004

You're on a board for discussing things retard.
Nobody cares that you enjoyed it they're trying to have a discussion about it which anybody with a brain the size of a peanut can manage to do, you fucking troglodyte.
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>>64956493
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don't have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my waifu go now that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will kill you.
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>>64957004
>i'm a kid

Heh, it's been nice talking to you. Enjoy the ban. Nothing personal.
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>>64956341
It did more showing than telling.
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>>64956341

Abrams managed to rip every plot point, character, and piece of technology in Episode VII from the EU, change the names, and pass it off as an original Star Wars film. Successfully Jewery if you ask me.
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>>64957205
It didn't show or tell anything, the writing was a mess of unexplained backstory.
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>>64957192
>>64957105
>>64957043

>Reading comprehension

I said I enjoyed it, and anon said that I must literally be a child then. So if enjoying stuff makes me a child, then I guess I'm a child. 26 btw
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Did anyone go on opening night?
I went to the midnight release, theatre about three minute walk from where I live.
Went by myself, average experience, highlight for me though was roughly about 2/3 in to the film, I was feeling bloated to fuck and really needed to guff, couldn't be bothered to walk to the toilets, so I cupped my hand and essentially farted into my hand and wafted it directly in the seats behind me where there was a couple sitting.

Dude started coughing too, felt good man.
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>>64956493
Gime me my waifu you 10-dollar dick
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>>64956604
>James Boyega took over the film. His character was the only worthwhile addition.
uh... surperior actor / character / race
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>>64956341
Characters, humor.
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>>64956341
Nothing went right.

The hype is dying down. Metacritic user score has dropped 2 points in 3 weeks. IMDB has dropped 0.5 points in 2 weeks (HUGE for IMDB weighted average shit.)

In time people will compare this derivative disaster to TPM.
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>>64957388
fuck off worthless curry scented SPIC
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>>64956604

Uh, Boyega's character was a Star Wars fan in the Star Wars universe. He's the stand-in for the audience and JJ, there to marvel at how cool everything is and be relatable.
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>>64956400
This.
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>>64957314
>I enjoyed it
>can't say why

literally a child
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>>64957279
>MUH EU

oh fuck off
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>>64956400
Kill yourself double digit IQ millennial.

People like who who guzzle up the Disney derivative JJ fanfiction are the worst.

May you and your loved one suffer and die from stomach cancer.
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>>64957470
hah stay mad butthurt bitch, the truth hurts doesnt it? cucked nigger lover hahaha
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>>64956967
>>64957025
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>>64957406
>metacritic user score

oh yeah autistic faggots flooding the reviews to tank the user score really are indicative of the movie's actual quality

even that review you posted is FULL of /tv/ buzzwords
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>>64956747

I BYPAHSED DA COMPRESSAH
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>>64957622
Disney shill pls. Your hype is over.

/tv/ is redpilled as fuck, even Reddit hates TFA now.

The delusion didn't even last a month. Even Attack of the Clones love lasted 2-3 months.

T O P K E K
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>>64957666
>shill
>redpilled

there's those buzzwords again
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It basically destroyed a ton of fan made theories and hundreds of hours spent fabricating shit on Wookiepedia.

Hilarious stuff.
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>>64956747
why is she so smug?
would bang
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>>64956747
omg that talking orange nigger was the worst, i repressed those scenes but its all coming back to me... the horror... the horror
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>>64956341
>Poe was a decent character but he was overpowered and underused
>Luke looked good but was also underused
>Finn turned out to be an ok character but his backstory is rushed and makes no sense
>a couple of Han and Chewie scenes
>the new stormtrooper armours look pretty good

That's about it.
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>>64956382
I'm just so glad it didn't fucking suck, like when Episode I came out.

And before anyone even starts with that shit, prequel apologists (aka contrarians) can fuck right off
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>>64957773

My biggest issue with her, was they just had her read the cliff notes of the force in that hallway with Rey. Everything she said was the stuff Yoda was teaching Luke, only their training was over the period of at least a week or two. She summed it all up in about 2 or 3 sentences. It was annoying. I really hope in the sequel we get some good one on one training with Luke, and he teaches her in a way that he was taught.
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>>64957666
fuck you James you smug satanic cunt. Get off your lazy ass and make a new movie. We'll be lucky if you finish the Avatar trilogy by the time you're fucking 80
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>>64957882
Maz was exactly what the franchise needed

old grandma who comes in and says "look kids, you've heard this bullshit about the Force being biological cells and you need 25 years of Yoda school where they suppress your emotions and love and prevent you from ever having sex. That's bullshit. This is what it's REALLY about."

Not particularly deep but she served her purpose. I'm sure we'll get much more deep stuff from Luke in episode VIII
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>>64957960
Hmm I guess, can I ask you something?
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>>64957993
fuck off
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>>64957882
that orange bitch ruined the movie, that and the unbelievable advancement of rey's powers in such a short span

the writing was soooo bad

typical abrams

at least the moments with poe were cool as shit, hes a great successor to the pilot side of han
fin does a good job of being the comical side of han but he needs to play off of somebody to really shine on screen, he cant hold a scene by himself

they really deconstructed han into those two characters
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>>64957960

Yeah I suppose thats a fair point. They kind of just needed to undo the damage of Midichlorians. Its a shame it even had to be done in the first place, because its really noticeably forced and out of place
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>>64956341

It was engineered for mass appeal.

Despite that, it was still a fun way to spend two hours. I don't really want to watch it again though.
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>>64957960
sure but the execution of her character outweighs that

jar jar binks level of cringe

so fucking bad man
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>>64958102
>jar jar binks level of cringe

how the fuck can you even make that comparison

Maz is in the movie for about 20 minutes, Jar Jar is a central fucking character of Phantom Menace, and Maz doesn't even come close to Jar Jar's ridiculous minstrel antics
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>>64957577
You can feel the anger in this writing, trying to casually write off their childish insults as "Banter".
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>>64958141
At least Jar Jar was intentionally silly instead of unintentionally cringey most of the TFA characters were.
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the performances
the cast
the effects
the soundtrack
the mystery around Rey, Kylo Ren's past and Snoke
that's it
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>>64957666
based cam bringing the pain to manchildren
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>>64958141
Max was worse. Far worse.

>cast nigress just to satisfy SJW
>derive her from Yoda
>"an explanation for anutha time"
>terrible CGI
>make fun of gooks with the slanted eyes and yellow skin

Horrible shit
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>>64958102
How was she Jar Jar tier at all? She just seems normal; the only think about her that would rub people the wrong way is her character design. She wasn't really comedic or cringey in the least.
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>>64958141
calm down faggot
why do you defend this bitch so much?
she remind you of your nigger grandma or something?
seriously the actress performance was fucking shit it was awful, her design looked like a shitty ninja turtle... fuck youre right, i made a mistake by comparing them.. i get you now... jar jar is the superior character
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>>64958246
>le evul ess jay double you boogeyman
>getting mad that she didn't have a long winded explanation how she got the lightsaber to satisfy your autism, preventing you from writing a wookiepedia article about it
>complaining about racism while simultaneously referring to Nyongo as a "nigress"

into the trash it goes
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>>64956341

>the TIE fighter escape scene

no more no less
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>>64958246
You're a fucking retard
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>>64958216
0/10.

Best I can do. Maz was just an old wise gram gram that was completely harmless and probably only triggers you because her goggles reminds you of some old liberal arts professor you used to know.

Jar Jar was literal retardation.
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>>64958281
>>64958281
calling her jar jar tier is a compliment....
she ruined the movie
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>>64958222
>the soundtrack

It's by far the worst of all 7 movies. There's still a couple of decent tracks but it really is pretty bland and underwhelming overall.
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>>64958297
get cancer disney shill

no one likes you
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>>64958222
>the mystery around Rey, Kylo Ren's past and Snoke

>shit writing is good

I'm sure they'll explain everything in the next one :^)
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>>64958246
>>64958294
I honestly don't understand the hate she generates at all. She was in the movie for 10 minutes, spoke like a normal person, and was generally just a wise old lady whose function was to give Rey the lightsaber. Hating her is like hating Wedge Antilles.
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>>64958335
look whos butthurt
truth has a mandingo

>>64958378
yea seriously underwhelming
kylo ren nor the first order nor snoke have an official theme song, no triumphant theme song for the heroes..... this movie sucked, man
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>>64956493
Give me Ayayayayaya back!
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>>64958378
>I need the music to overpower the film
Nah, it was great. Just more subtle than before.
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>>64958378
>the worst of all 7 movies
I don't particularly remember the soundtrack in the prequel films bar TPM, but that doesn't mean anything. The soundtrack was great.
>>64958422
Fuck off.
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>>64958430
nice try Disney drone

How many cents do they pay you to go viral on 4chan? A nickel per post perchance?
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>>64958431
>kylo ren nor the first order nor snoke have an official theme song
Kylo Ren's theme was the best piece of music in the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjhawcfpAyM
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>>64958430
well its because youre a star wars apologist
no matter what the truth is
no matter how many times it has to strike you across your dense skull
no matter what you will stand by your pile of shit franchise and say it doesnt smell
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>>64958502
>>64958472
Are you people paranoid schizophrenics? Anyone who likes the movie is secretly a Disney shill?
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>>64958431
>kylo ren nor the first order nor snoke have an official theme song
Is this a joke?
>no triumphant theme song for the heroes..... this movie sucked, man
Smells like fucking underage. Get out.
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>>64958499
this music sounds like it belongs in STARWARSGAME #532246446, not enthralling, captivating like its predecessors
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>>64958461
>Fuck off.

What a fantastic argument. Why don't you tell me why you're right and I'm wrong?
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>>64958559
Your tactic is too naive to succeed here Disneyshill. Eat shit and die pls.
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>>64958622
I won't waste my time with greentexting meme spamming morons. Fuck off.
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>>64958456
Not that anon, bu Star Wars is synonymous with great music and there was none here.

Music plays a bigger part in Star Wars than most movies.
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>>64958559
>this person is fucking with my reality
>IM NOT CRAZY
>YOUR THE ONE WHOS CRAZY
dude star wars is for schizophrenics
its always about a guy dealing with mental demons, hallucinating horrific things that havent happened and finally snapping...
ps. youre a dumb cuck sucking nigger faggot
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>>64958559
Ignore posts made by
>>64958502

He thinks he's le epic ruseman.

You can always tell who he is because he never uses capitalization.
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>>64958456
Did you get that from a Plinket review?
It wasn't subtle, it was forgettable.

>>64958461
It wasn't awful, it's still John Williams, but it just wasn't as good or memorable as his other soundtracks usually are.
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Nothing. You were told to like it so you did, it's that simple.
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>>64958618
It's a really good original leitmotif that's the equal of anything in the prequels. Particularly the incomplete chord in the beginning, which imparts of a sense of unease. A good villain theme.
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>>64958587
>Smells like fucking underage. Get out.
sorry i didnt kno this was your site ill leave now WAIT NO
>Smells like fucking underage.
only a juvenile would say something like this
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>>64958687
>I can't articulate my own arguments

Kek
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>>64958704
>ps. youre a dumb cuck sucking nigger faggot
Good job. Do you feel better now?
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>>64958472
>>64958662
You're trying too hard.
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>>64958722
i was being serious this isnt bait you stupid faggot
not everything on this site is a troll or a joke
damn you are dumb
>no caps
and youre gay
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>>64958730
>>64958691
You're overestimating the quality of the music in the prequels. Rose-tinted glasses, etc.
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>>64958799
>Good job. Do you feel better now?
wtf was the purpose of that post?
Good job. Do you feel better now?
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>>64958730
I remember the soundtrack in the OT because it was much more audible, but I think that's a characteristic of old movies. New ones have sound effects that overshadow the score, specially when it's ACTION ACTION ACTION like TFA or Attack of the Clones and ROTS.

I liked these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWvTl3gEHvE

Better than anything the prequels
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>>64958805
May your children die in a traffic accident.

Is that curse trying too hard as well?
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>>64958842
There is nothing in TFA that is anywhere near this: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY) Not even close.

And Attack of the Clones has probably got the weakest score of the prequels.
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>>64958903
The problem was the sound mixing. This isn't in any way worse than the music in the prequels.
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>>64958950
That's also a single piece of music, not an entire score. TFA has>>64958903 and>>64958499 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8

All of which are great.
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>>64958499
>>64958747
>>64958903
>>64958905
>>64958950
funny how these star wars apologists quickly changed the subject from how fucking bad this movie was to the soundtrack
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>>64958905
Gr8 b8 m8
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>>64958905

lmfao

it doesn't even touch the CIS theme, which is like the 6th best in the prequels
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>>64958985
go back to browsing 9gag you son of a whore fuck off of 4chan, nobody wants you, nobody likes TFA, nobody shills for your fuckmaster Disney.

Bye
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>TFA had a good score

This had to be a fucking joke

you guys are really grasping at straws now

you'd be better served talking about its visual effects

TFA had the worst Star Wars score ever and I think it was kind of deliberate because JJ is a retard who doesn't understand the importance of a central score in a Star Wars movie
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>>64958985
The people who disparage the movies were the ones who brought up the soundtrack. This is a really dishonest post.
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>>64956341

> Disney Expectation

> Boycott Star Wars

> Jar Jar did a good job with Star Trek


This movie was shit.
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>>64959042
I better

space

a lot

my post
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>>64959042
It actually had the best score in the series since Episode IV. Thinking otherwise demonstrates your inability to discern good from bad, and the need you have for music that overwhelms an entire scene.
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>>64959042
You can't argue with fanboys blinded by brand loyalty.
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>>64958842
>Rose-tinted glasses

For the Prequels? Really? The music is one of the best parts about them and makes some of the scenes watchable.
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>>64959109

No. Just no lol

It sounded like your typical Disney fare, which is disgusting in the context of a Star Wars episode

you're blinded
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>>64959042
Yeah I can give TFA a 7.5 out of 10 yes.

But compared to ANY OT or PT soundtrack, the soundtrack is utter S H I T

Its as if Lucas told Williams to fuck it up on purpose to spite JJ
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>>64959042
>TFA had the worst Star Wars score ever
TFA had a great score. I find it better than any Star Wars film except the first two.
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>>64959033
wow @ being this much of a retard
ive LITERALLY never visited 9gag in my life
ive been here since 06 (i kno im so proud)
i am actually the few in here pointing out flaws in the movie
you act like 4chan is this great place...
you are obviously a teenager and your opinion doesnt matter considering you are either younger than or the same age as POKEMON
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>>64958910
Yes.
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>>64959134
>I can't deal with ohter people's opinions, you have to be a disney drone!!!!!
Grow up.
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>>64959134
prequels tricked you into thinking a good star wars score is an overindulgent mess that bombards the senses, existing for its own sake rather than to complement the film
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>>64959114
>>64959114
TFA has anti-loyalty. It's become so popular to disparage the movie here that anything but the most hyperbolic critique (Maz is worse than Jar Jar!!) is considered Disney shilling.
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>>64959109
KEK. Now you shills are just being hilarious. TFA score was horrible. Really bad.
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>>64959046
yes but those who advocate it continue shit posting the OST so how bout you take that dishonesty and shove it
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>>64959209

That is how its always been you utter retard

the binary sun scene and the swelling Skywalker theme in ANH establishes this from the very start. IT'S AN OPERA. NOT GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY.
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>>64959165
>using @ on 4chan

Kill yourself 9 gag newfag
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>>64959193

>I am le mad that /tv/ doesn't like Nu Wars so I'm going to blindly peddle it off as good in all respects

You too
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>>64959218
>>64959143
You people need to temper your opinions. Being worse than the music in the past doesn't automatically make it shit. It's objectively pretty far from shit.
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>>64959218
>it was bad
>it was awful
>it was really really bad guys
>it was disappointing
>it was the worst ever

>you're a retard
>you're a shill
>you're obsessed
>you're a drone

Why don't you try to prove it's bad? Post some pieces and explain why you don't like them, stuff like that? Someone might take you more seriously then, it's not like you'll convince the world the score in TFA is bad by repeating childish provocations and phrases.
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>>64959260
>your not allowed to use the keys on your keyboard
>you can only type on 4chan like your about to turn in a thesis
wow you are autistic
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>>64956341
hi /v/eddit
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>>64956493

gib waifu back pls
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>>64956341
JJ not coming back for 8 or 9
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>>64959254
binary sunset existed to externalize the conflict that was going on with Luke wanting something more out of life

Duel of the fates is OMNIOUS SANSKRIT CHANTING SO DEEP BOMBASTIC ORCHESTRAL SCORE TO MAKE YOU THINK THIS FIGHT IS DEEP
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>>64959348
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>>64959322
You're asking people who are completely uneducated in music theory to talk about why a piece of score is bad. The'll only be able to make quality judgments.
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>>64959378

Thanks for your interpretation, I don't really care

John Williams has always been 50% of Star Wars and if you cut his balls off you're playing yourself

It's kind of embarrassing that I have to make you aware of that
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>>64958903
Yeah Rey's Theme is good. The March of the Resistance is ok I guess but sounds too much like it's from an Indiana Jones movie imo. I prefer the Jedi Steps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8

The Prequels had good action themes (A Hero Falls, The Droid Invasion and Duel of the Fates, of course) but also very good quiet and emotional themes (Across the Stars or Anakin's Betrayal).
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>>64959254
Binary sunset was also one scene in the entire original trilogy.
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>>64956341
Nothing.
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>>64959468

Surely I don't have to remind you of other scenes piece by piece

Well I may have to since 90% of TFA dicksuckers didn't ever actually watch the OT
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>>64958430

> just a wise old lady whose function was to give Rey the lightsaber

Please tell me you see the problem with that. Her only purpose was to advance the plot.

I liked the movie but this was a pretty bad scene/character overall.
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>>64959433
That was great too. I think the last shot wasn't that good, I didn't like the overview camera, made it look a bit generic, but the theme is pretty nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECRMM8NiSQ
Here's Poe's theme, it was cool but only played in one scene I think.
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>>64959326
The jig is up. Fuck off.
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>>64959590
youre not even trying now, gg
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>>64959587
why does that last helicopter shot trigger people so much?

I thought it looked cool. Showed the momentous occasion of two generations of Jedi meeting
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>>64959590
>Rhe jig is up. Fuck off.
what does he mean by this?
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>>64959584
She also gets Boyega to realize that he wants to join the Resistance. You can dislike how she's used, but to have vitriolic hatred against a character as stylistically inoffensive as she is makes no sense. She's not comparable to Jar Jar Binks.
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>>64956646
The prequels are better tbqh.
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>>64957535
Fat loser. Some of us appreciate quality fiction.
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Nothing, it was shit. If you enjoyed this movie you're a child or you're trying way too hard to seem like a fanboy. If you enjoyed Boyega's acting, you're either black, or a white liberal. If you saw this multiple times you're an extremely boring person who only watched it more than once to say you did.
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>>64959687

she is annoying and distinctly Disney-esque

the scene reminded I was watching a Disney Star Wars rendition and not exactly the same as the rest
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>>64959635
I don't know, I feel like they could've made it right when she gets to the summit and end the scene with Luke.
But that's just a preference.
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>>64959710
Nice, you repeated the meme. Maybe you'll finally fit in!
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>>64959587
>I think the last shot wasn't that good, I didn't like the overview camera, made it look a bit generic, but the theme is pretty nice.

I completely agree. It was a pretty shitty way of ending a Star Wars movie but the music and the scene leading to that moment was pretty good.
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>>64959734
>Luuke Skywalker
>Sheev comes back to life five times!
>Luke turns evil!
>Admiral "I learn military strategy by studying the paintings of my enemy's race" Thrawn
>Yuuzhan Vong
>Karen Traviss Mandalorian shilling

>people actually think this is "quality" fiction
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>>64959687
>star wars sucks
>its for children
>you are in denial
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I'm fairly convinced that the same people who enjoyed this, enjoyed JWorld. Plebs gonna Pleb.
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>>64959741
She's not annoying, though. Aside from her design, she was just a fairly normal old lady who owned a cool watering hole.
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>>64957666
>even Reddit hates TFA
That means it's good, right?
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>>64959788
All those examples are amazing, so you defeat your own argument.
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>>64959809
93% on RT.
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>>64959813
ok man we get it you are a contrarian troll
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>>64959813

>oh, I love that WOOKIE [emphasis on wookie]
>[see, she's part of the Star Wars universe]
>le look inside your heart Rey, regards Grandmother Willow

It was like every cartoon "wise old mentor" I'd seen before in Disney and it bothered me badly

a shoddily described, hastily inserted introspective device with quirks intended to entertain a young audience
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>>64959809

I agree

Jurassic World is to JP what TFA is to Star Wars

basically just "let's rehash the old shit and jack everything up to 11"
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>>64956534
I look like my dad when he was young and animated also.
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>>64959851
>Basing your opinion on the opinion of others.
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>>64959927
>It was like every cartoon "wise old mentor" I'd seen before in Disney and it bothered me badly
Same here. Made me remember Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, etc, all characters everyone hates.
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>>64959927
Referring to Chewbacca as her boyfriend and running a bar actually kept her from falling into the old, wise mentor trope. These aren't the character traits you'd find in a typical children's fantasy film. In fact, she doesn't actually mentor anyone. Han Solo is Rey's mentor.
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>>64960034

>characters that have a central role of importance in the Star Wars universe and story in terms of background and interaction

false equivalency, I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying
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>>64959851
>Implying people don't get paid to make fake positive reviews....
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>>64960023
You're allowed to dislike films that most other people enjoy, because opinions are subjective

but to act like people enjoying the film is some kind of grand Disney conspiracy and every critic is a paid Disney shill is delusion of a grand scale
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>>64959851

wonder how much that cost Disney

or maybe it was just the horde of liberal "journalists" these days giving it passing marks by default due to the fact that it successfully 'diversified" Star Wars
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>>64960104
>le ess jay double you conspiracy!
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>>64960104
>>64960076
If Disney pays for reviews, why were John Carter and Tomorrowland panned?
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>Good effects, both practical and CGI
>Poe, Finn, BB-8 and Kylo are fine characters
>Storm troopers aren't clones
>No fart/poop humor or such other things that made the prequels cringy

Maz was kind of off, but she was only there for 10 minutes. Not enough to annoy me. 7/10.
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>>64960102
Production companies have been outed many times for doing that shit. Imagine how often they do it, and how often they get caught. That's not even the point.. In terms of quality, it was shit. You can enjoy shit, but it does make you a pleb. Hence....

>Plebs gonna Pleb
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>>64960104
Audience's general consensus was that it was good. If you walked outside and talked to actual people you would know this.
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>>64960158
They weren't Star Wars
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>>64960205

While people have said it was good to decent, no one I know has said it was their favorite Star Wars or better than the old ones, just that they hope it picks up

Out of my immediate friends group of 9 or so college aged guys its been a wholly lukewarm response tbf
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>>64960224
So Disney is willing to write off record losses as long as it isn't a movie that everyone is already going to see regardless of reviews, like Star Wars?
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>>64959735
this
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>>64960066
>changing the goalposts
They're all "old wise man", retard.
Just admit you didn't like the movie and stop making excuses brah.
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>>64960283

I didn't at all. You seem to think central Jedi characters functioning as masters are the same as a randomly inserted, shoddily explained, randumb old non-Force sensitive woman explaining the Force to Rey and handing her a legendary saber then disappearing like a genie.

I get it, critical thinking is pretty tough, you'll come around
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>>64960269
The movie was complete shit. Same with JWorld. It doesn't seem logical that two hollow movies can get rave reviews without a few people being paid off. Use that noggin.
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>>64960235
General opinion is that it was better than prequels, not as good as OT. If they dare take more chances with the next installments, it could be great.
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>>64960235
>>64960205
>my anecdotal response is better than your anecdotal response
fie
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>>64960345
>non-Force sensitive woman

>Maz Kanata was a Force-sensitive female smuggler who lived for over one thousand years. Although she was Force-sensitive, she was never trained as a Jedi. She wore eye-covering goggles with adaptable lenses with which she would inspect people's eyes to see what they were feeling. Maz Kanata viewed history as a struggle against the dark side, which she believed had many forms, such as the Sith, the Galactic Empire and the First Order. Around thirty years after the Battle of Endor, she owned a castle which played host to travelers, smugglers, and others.
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>>64956740

You call this >>64956613 a justification? All you did was say you didn't like it several different ways. Your terms are not convincing, not are they any type of evidence that the movie is terrible.

The movie was entertaining and worth watching multiple times. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on, despite it's simple themes and plots. The characters are well conceived and interact in interesting and engaging ways. The difference and relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren really inform the specific nature of the light and dark side of the force, especially notable that the light side affects them both, despite Kylo's reluctance to accept it. The movie truly felt like the Star Wars that the world came to love, which was something that the prequels were not able to pull off consistently. The film was hopeful and overall themed around a return to form, and respected its audience and their desires.

Now when I say that, I'm not going to get mad at people who don't literally change their mind when they hear it.

Can you really call this debate, you self-celebrating whiner? It's fun to hate a movie, we get it. Do it cool, idiot.
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>>64960366
JW didn't get rave reviews, though. And the notion that Disney would waste money paying off reviewers in order to get people to see a movie that everyone was already going to see while refusing to do the same for films that actually require marketing makes no sense.
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>>64959754
The truth is a meme now? Cool.
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>>64960539
Fat loser.
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Finn was the only thing in the film I couldn't stand to be honest.

What the fuck happened, we used to have 30 threads a day on this guys ugliness. And it was even worse then I thought especially seeing his sweaty face on a 70mm screen.

Then to make matters worse, he's eye fucking Rey the whole movie and making it so obvious they're gonna have a romance together in future films.

My suspension of disbelief can only go so far, I feel like I'm on crazy pills that nobody is mentioning this all of a sudden.

>b-but c'mon he was actually not that bad, probably the best part of the film bro


No. Spouting quips like you're in a fucking marvel movie every 30 seconds then out of nowhere being super seriouslike that cringey exchange in Maz castledoes not constitute good acting.
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>>64959754
Prequels being secretly good is literally a meme made by reddit as a response to TFA coming out. The prequels being shit has been the truth before the creation of either 4chan or reddit.

Look I get it you think Sheevposting and 'high ground' meme is funny, that does not make the prequels good or enjoyable movies to watch.
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>>64958499
Small pieces of it are very reminiscent of the music used during the Anakin/Obi-wan duel.

Man it will suck when John Williams isn't around to do the music anymore. His music was the only thing that didn't feel like it was pretending to be Star Wars in episode VII.
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>>64960525
>Billion dollar companies would never waste money on film projects
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>>64960814
Not on fake reviews for a movie they know everyone is going to see. If everyone who watched it hated it I could see the point, but they don't. Most people actually enjoyed it.
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>>64959109
>being this retarded
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>>64960968
Holy shit you're completely right. You made me realize TFA has a shit score. I'll go to a doctor to evaluate my disease and tell other people the truth, thank you.
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>>64960964
virgin
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>>64961016
Not even that guy, but you are retarded. It recycled old shit. Even the prequels had a powerful original score.

>This is a VII fan.
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>no one has posted duel of the fates yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29EWY-PInc

better than anything in TFA desu senpai
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>>64961141
You're right again. Finally I see the light.
It is shit, complete shit.
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The only thing overwhelming about this movie was the fan service.
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>>64961209
see>>64961164
>>64960968
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>>64961164
Why do composers swing their arms around like mongs?
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>>64961164
There's a different between music as score and music as its own thing. Duel of the Fates if very good as music, but it's not score. It overwhelms the scene and makes itself the most central part of it, rather than support what's happening.
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>>64961164

If I were to direct one of the new Star Wars movies I'd use duel of the fates on some scene for sure.
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>people claiming only Episodes IV and V had good soundtracks
>forgetting one of the few redeeming features of Episode VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkp80PB4PkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwF8YaIjUw

>forgetting a lot of amazing themes from the otherwise despised PT
I won't even bother posting some links. TPM had more than just Duel of the Fates.
And ROTS had Battle of Heroes, for instance. I don't remember many tracks from AOTC though.

TFA is not on par with Williams' finest works.
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>>64961164
The reason people like this this much is because the soundtrack was the only good thing about the prequels.
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>>64961385
jesus fucking christ.
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>>64961434
You can't speak logically to people who enjoyed this trash. You get replies like this >>64961385
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>>64961477
>>64961513
I don't necessarily agree that that's the case with Duel of the Fates, but what he said is film music 101
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>>64961513
>>64961477
>I know nothing about soundtracks
I'm done
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The only thing they got right was making sure I won't be back for the next episode. Better I know SW is ruined now rather than later tbqh.
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>>64961434

TFA's soundtrack is not memorable at all.

Doesn't deserve the Oscar.

TFA doesn't deserve almost any Oscar indeed.
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>>64961590
>>64961590
It doesn't apply to that song. You literally just criticized a John Williams score for being too powerful. Die.
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>>64961434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQxKOlrfZKc
feels.jpg
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>>64961599

I'm not watching Rogue One on theater even if it's free.

Episode VIII, I'll wait and see the trailer, but pretty sure I won't go neither.
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>>64961599
Exactly how I feel.
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>>64961600
Yeah, TFA doesn't even deserve based Oscar Isaac.
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>>64961599
how the fuck did the prequels not do that for you, but TFA did?

without using buzzwords like SJW, feminism, reddit, etc
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>>64956341

Chewie's scenes and Luke's appearance. That's probably it.
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>>64961761
Memes did it to him. He actually believes that the prequels were better films.
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>>64961599
Yeah. This is the last Star Wars movie I'll see in the cinema.
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>>64956341
WE KILLED RACISM!!!!

WE DID IT REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>64956353

I liked the visuals, and both the directing and the acting were alright.
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>>64961385
>TPM
>shit movie with poor storytelling is redeemed by a powerful and melodic sountrack
We get it. You prefer Wagner over Verdi.
But dude, at least that shit flick like that had something remotely remarkable thanks to John Williams.
Besides, Star Wars would have been relatively forgotten by now if it wasn't for their soundtracks.
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>>64961761
I didn't hate the prequels, I don't hate this one either but I've already forgotten most of the film. It's just not memorable so why am I going to continue to pay to see them?
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>>64961658
>it's a song for a soundtrack
>>it doesn't apply to that song
Are you mentally ill?
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>>64961981
The cinematography and photography was shit after Jakku.
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You faggots are still debating this?

It was a bad movie. Cry the fuck more, libturd.
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>>64962435
>muh Trump 2016
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>>64956341
Didn't overuse CGI. Didn't overuse lightsabers.


Literally the only good things.
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>>64962053
>You prefer Wagner over Verdi.
Wait, how can you tell? It's true, but nothing in my post would suggest that.
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Poe, thhe Stormtroopers and Kylo Ren were all great characters who were well-written, unfortunately, we didn't have enough time with them.

JJ thought that giving more screen time to Rey and Finn would make them more likeable. It didn't work. They're godawful.

TFA's first Act, Han's death, and the ending are all what make the film. I do hope that Han Solo shows up as a hologram on ACHC-TO though!
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>>64962645
*that is, don't make a Han a force ghost, please!
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>>64962517
I just guessed from your opinion on music, soundtracks and John Williams score. Still a bit blind guess but hey, posting doesn't cost money.
Besides, a Verdi advocate would had defended Williams vehemently no matter what, don't you think?
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>>64956400
/thread except it's not better than Return of the Jedi
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>>64962809
BB8 is worse than the fucking ewoks, and that's saying something.
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>>64962863
That's fucking wrong though. He was one of the best characters in the film.
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>What went right?
It was enjoyable, didn't out stay it's welcome, some of the sets had "texture" to them unlike the overt use of CGI in the prequels.

>What went wrong?
Same story, literally 0 time spent setting up the new status quo (I knew what was going on as I had read about it, but so many casuals I was with was wonder why General Ginger was complaining about the Republic and why they were called the Resistance).

Too much nostalgia in places.
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>>64962980
>le ilerminaty tattoo
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>>64962893
For the under 5's, and people who are seeing it for the first time.

For everyone else, Bb8 just ruins the movie.
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>>64962809
RotJ has some serious fucking pacing issues. It starts four times with Vader on the death star and three separate introductions to Jabba's palace, and the entire middle section of the movie is the gang just wandering around Endor. Sure, the Sheev stuff and the space battle are great, but they make up about 20 total minutes of a two hour movie that's plagued with problems

At least TFA keeps a brisk pace throughout
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>>64963373
>For everyone else, Bb8 just ruins the movie.
You're the first person i've ever seen bitch about BB-8.
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I enjoyed the forest confrontation. Rey closing her eyes for 15 seconds was dumb but beyond that it was a nice scene. We had character arcs concluding, well edited action that wasnt snap zooms, and a good soundtrack.

Probably my favorite action sequence in the movie. All the ship combat was pretty tame though.
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>>64963373
What >>64963416 said. I don't think I've seen more than maybe one person whine about BB-8, and it was on this board, and it was probably you.
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>>64963394
TFA is one the worst movies ever made for pacing. It's like we're stuck in a smack addict's head two days after winning the lottery.

I don't need to see fucking Wall-E in a Star Wars movie, either.
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>>64963569
>TFA is one the worst movies ever made for pacing
Again with the hyperbole. You can dislike the pacing, but "WORST. PACING. EVER." makes you sound like a 12 year old.
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>>64963621
It's seriously as if they lost the real footage and had to stitch it back together with CGI and thousands of set photos from every angle but the right one.

It is meant to be intense, but the lack of a firm perspective causes it to lose ground and seem as if the director had grown bored with the material.
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>>64963569
>I don't need to see fucking Wall-E in a Star Wars movie, either.

What made BB-8 any worse than a character like R2D2?

You just WANTED to hate the movie, face it
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>>64963829
I liked the movie conceptually. I liked Poe, all of the Stormtroopers and their voices, Phasma, Hux and Kylo. I thought the first act was great, Han's arc was inspired (but undersold) and the ending was perfect. I'm excited about all of that going forward.

I disliked Finn and Rey and BB8, as well as the pacing. That kind of thing can be fixed. Rey's connection with Kylo is interesting. Finn could be a clone, which would be interesting. BB8 could receive a voice chip which would make him less irritating. I just hated seeing the movie stop, and give Bb8 a close-up for a quip scene.

If Rey's monologue with the droid was better written, then I suppose it wouldn't bother me.
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>>64963768
These are nebulous non-criticisms. You dislike the film, so you're digging into areas of the movie that are fine in order to dredge up the most ridiculous critiques imaginable.
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>>64964210
They're too concerned with how Kylo looks rather than with what he has to say and do.

Kylo has some of the best lines in the movie, but it's more like hearing a great actor read Facebook comments out loud. It's very emotional, but he doesn't have a clear objective. What does he think about the Republic, or about the Empire, or the Order?
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>>64956382

I despised it the first time I saw it, but then my family wanted to go see it so I gave it another shot (plus, hey, it's not often you get to see a Star Wars movie in theaters).

It's growing on me and I've come to accept it, but I still have a LOT of problems with it and consider it the worst of the saga.
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>>64960201
>i think it was shit, therefore you're opinion is shit
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>>64964503
Jesus dude, do you want the film to flat-out state his his internalized feelings? We can gather how he feels about the First Order through his actions, same with Vader.
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Everyone claiming the soundtrack is not memorable is because they were exposed to the prequel/OT soundtrack for so long, with repeated listenings/viewings.

Repetition breeds liking. If you listen to something for long enough over and over again, it will seem catchy/memorable.
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>>64957960

But she didn't actually say ANYTHING about the Force other than that it surrounds everything.

We knew that from Obi-Wan and Yoda. We knew a lot more from Obi-Wan and Yoda beyond that, too.

And nobody ever said midi-chlorians were the Force. They make life possible and they tell you the will of the Force. That's literally it. That's all Qui-Gon says about them in The Phantom Menace.

And you're misunderstanding the rest of it too. The Jedi didn't forbid love or sex. They forbade ATTACHMENT. And as it turns out, they weren't entirely wrong: Anakin's fear of abandonment and loss is what led him to fall. His redemption was the result of Luke's selfless compassionate sacrifice, but the Jedi have always been all about selfless compassionate sacrifice.

Maz spouts some empty stuff about how the Force flows through everything but never actually tells Rey anything about what it is or what it does besides be apparently omnipresent. Obi-Wan gave us more than that with less time and ceremony in Episode IV, explaining that it binds the galaxy together, controls your actions, and can even obey your commands.

Why is it that the only Star Wars movie to have the word Force in the title tells us and shows us less about the Force than literally any other Star Wars movie?
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>>64956341
the traitor scene and breaking po or whatver that han solo rip off was out of the new new death star. also the introduction of kylo was cool and then the movie just kinda went down hill from there
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>>64963373

I wouldn't say "ruins" but BB-8 suffers from not having anything to fucking do.

For the first third of the movie, he's cute and friendly and running around with the map, but once we get on the Falcon all he does anymore is reaction shots. He never actually helps anyone do anything, and once we get off Takodana he's basically out of the movie.

R2 gets to run away from Luke at the start of ANH, find out where the tractor beam shutdown stations are, find out where Leia's being held, save everyone from the trash compactor, and try to hold Luke's wounded X-Wing together through the Battle of Yavin before he gets shot.

BB-8 gets to chirp at people, give a thumbs up, and get thrown around the Falcon. Then he gets slotted into Poe's X-Wing, where he continues to do nothing.

Poe could have loaded the map into a rocket and launched it across the desert for Rey to find, and you'd have exactly the same results.
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>>64964210
those were valid, he fucking nailed it

>>64963768
>causes it to lose ground and seem as if the director had grown bored with the material.
literally this

J.J. was far too inexperienced for this job
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The acting was pretty much uniformly good across the board (excepting Fisher), even if I disliked the characters themselves. Kylo Ren made the movie for me. He is an interesting villain and am curious to see what happens between he and Rey (and Hux) in the sequels.

I liked the light saber battles.

I hated the Finn character and felt he could easily be deleted. I thought Oscar Isaacs played Poe way too peppy. All the whooping in the cockpit after a hit annoyed the shit out of me.
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>>64956341
is BB-8 symbolism for big black ------8 ???
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the advertising worked. it was hard not to hear about star wars everywhere. Radio, NBA, livestream, internet ads, and holiday promotions.
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>>64961761
>born in '90
>dad forced us to watch OT in '95
>dad tells us about Anakin's past
>I grow up with the 'one last time' OT VHS tapes
>tfw they weren't kidding

I believe I was part of the last generation to see Star Wars before this whole mess. And yes I do actually like the prequels. TPM is bad but saved by good parts. AOTC is meh and ROTS is actually pretty okay.
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>>64966380
>I believe I'm special
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>>64956341
I liked how the sabers had weight to them, it adds alot of tension to the fights
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>>64956341
Team work.
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>>64965100
>The Jedi didn't forbid love or sex. They forbade ATTACHMENT.

literally the exact same thing. Jedi can't know their family and Anakin can't have a gf. This causes him to repress his emotions and lash out.
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the two moments of banter between finn and han

too bad that wont happen again!
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>>64956341
Pretty much everything aside from the fact that it was too close to the original Star Wars movie.
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>>64966846
>answering a question I was asked
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>>64956341
Opening scene, almost everything up until Han Solo shows up and derails the plot.
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>>64956586
Don't say "friends" you'll trigger him.
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>>64956493
GIVE ME MY FUCKING WAIFU YOU PIECE OF SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>64957821
I highly highly doubt you walked out of Episode 1 after the first viewing and instantly thought "that sucked".
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The Phantom Menace Oscar Nominations: 3
The Force Awakens Oscar Nominations: 5

Now take in mind TPM had to compete with movies of the like of American Beauty, The Sixth Sense, The Matrix, The Insider, The Green Mile, etc. and TFA had to compete with... well... The Revenant, Mad Max and The Martian.

That low competition and big Disney behind and they don't even make it out of FX and Sound categories.
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>>64956400
This, anyone who says otherwise it just a whiny /tv/tards trying to out edgy /v/ with the "everything is shit" meme
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everything
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>>64957388
Dubs speaks the truth
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>>64957666
If Reddit hates it don't that mean it's good?

Come on Lucifer
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>>64956341
Man this board is dying. You can't read a thread in /tv/ without the dumbass Reddit, redditor shit. The one thing I can guarantee about reddit is they don't sit around and spout at its 4chan tier, or 4chaner. Why not have an actual discussion?

Seriously everyone calls each other contrarians, or patricians. But then when this movie first came out everyone fucking loved it. You couldn't go through the catalog without seeing someone being like damn Finn was actually great. Jwe Jew made a good movie.

Who cares if someone likes a movie you don't like and watched it more than once in theatres? Does it effect your life?

When there is obviously an appreciation thread and you don't like it stop trolling and GTFO.

/tv/ is dead

Inb4 go back to reddit
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>>64969827
>I highly highly doubt you walked out of Episode 1 after the first viewing and instantly thought "that sucked".

I never said that. I walked out of Ep I feeling confused and alarmed at how 'meh' it all was, what with the incredible hype for it. I was wowed by the special effects though.
It was a few days later when I was dragged to go see it a second time that I realized it did indeed suck.

I didn't feel that way at all about TFA. It mostly made me feel comfy and nostalgic. Ford and JJ really nailed Han Solo again after all these years, and the new cast was alright too. I had not real gripes. It was very safe movie; the plot was a lot like that of ANH
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