>almost all of the vehicle designs in the films, other than maybe podracers, looks too futuristic and streamlined to have been made before shitty old x-wings, tie fighters, and millennium falcons
This was one of the biggest problems with PT. I thought the designs were cool when I was 12 years old, but looking back on it, what was Lucas thinking? Is this ever explained
(see. Retconned)by Lucas?
You're comparing luxury vehicles constructed in the height of the Republic to whatever scrapheaps could be cobbled together in a time of galactic turmoil. Empire ships are efficient and utilitarian, Rebel ships looked like they were held together by gum and rubber bands. Nothing wrong with that. As for locations, Bespin looked pretty clean and advanced but the rest were all backwater towns or uninhabited planets. You'd expect them to look run down and Tatooine didn't change much over the time skip.
>Sophisticated machinery has never been designed with futuristic optimism in mind, only to take drastic steps back in mere decades because of a change in aesthetic tastes and general worldview
OP is a faggot
Bullshit, the only ships that looked super sleek and sexy were the Naboo ships. The Arc-170 and other stuff looked perfectly appropriate considering it's before everything went to shit, and we were seeing mostly highly funded military machines compared to shoestring Rebel shit or Han's busted ass jerry rigged Falcon.
this is how I view it
it's not like they're significantly separated by time, only ~20 years or so, and as far as designs are concerned, streamlined doesn't necessarily equate to most modern
Think about today, minimalist styles are beating out the old streamlined and hyper-"futuristic" designs, because that's the way the public is moving. Newer tanks and stealth planes look like polygon models.
The Rebels, you know they didn't have time or money to worry about aesthetics, so they made do with these kinds of roughly modeled vehicles with pure substance over style.
Well, since the Old Republic was ALL RACES working together, they were able to come up with some groundbreaking shit like you see in pic related
But when the Empire took over, they have divided the planets and races, crushing their unity so they weren't able to create marvels of technology, such as pic related, anymore
That's sort of justifiable by how cosmic rays will rape any sort of modern microprocessor. So either everything needs to be shielded, which is prohibitively expensive on top of being unreliable, or cheap, replaceable, and serviceable.
Furthermore "prohibitively expensive and unreliable" is basically Prometheus in a nutshell.
>rebels are the underdogs and are working with what they've got: mechanical jalopies like the falcon and x-wings
>empire mass produces shit and doesnt care if things look pretty
>episode 1 was pre-war, and Naboo is an opulent place so it makes sense they have gaudy ships
The whole "well, when the empire took over the republic lost its ability to create futuristic designs" argument just sounds like a cop out to me. Look at the Nazis, who produced the me262 in world war 2. After they were defeated, the jet age soon began and many countries started to produce high tech, streamlined aircraft. So you're trying to tell me that, rather than copy the republic's superior designs, the empire just decided to make big blocky star destroyers and tie fighters instead? Seems stupid to me.
>fuckton of Jedi 20 years ago
>20 years pass, people think Jedi are legend
I think it does work that way. The Empire was most likely removing a lot of those older vehicles, so they wouldn't bring up memories of the old times. Vehicle from OP was used by the Queen of independent planet and by Jedi, it had to go.
That queen's transport and the crafts used by jedi in Coruscant are owned by the elite of the elite in the galaxy. In contrast the rebel fleet is jerry-rigged together from what ever materials and components they can get hold of so designs need to be more simple to fabricate new parts and to service them more easily.
also it's explained in-universe that the Naboo build exceptionally beautiful ships in comparison to the rest of the galaxy.
Look at the trade federation ships, they fit the rugged look. Most other ships do.
It's just the Naboo ships that fall out of line.
I mean they're more smooth than imperial ships, but that's just a design point I feel. Note the greeble and detail on the inside of the ring and ontop of the sphere. It's very much inline with what we see later.
Compared to rebel fighters with components showing from the sides without covers they look more finished and off the shelf. Also their design is made with intimidating look in mind sharp points and rigid lines.
Imperial starships, atleast cruisers and up are also incredibly built for function.
The empire fleet doctrine at the time is basically to overpower opponents through sheer numbers with a full frontal assault. The entire star destroyer design plays into this, with the wedge shape allowing for 4 turret firing arcs to converge on the front. They are exceptionally bad at firing at things behind them, but they aren't built with that in mind.
Yeah. I get the notion of maybe the Empire making things shitty, militarized, and mass-processed. And I get that if things are used, you can go back to when they're new.
But the whole universe feels like that. The concept of the lived-in universe is gone because we've apparently hit the very beginning of EVERYTHING. It's weird and off-putting.
This is a side-nitpick, but why the fuck are the Jedi in the middle of a city, anyway? So they can be closer to the Senate? How is that good for their meditation, with billions of minds chattering around them?
>They are exceptionally bad at firing at things behind them, but they aren't built with that in mind.
Only a coward shows the enemy their backside.
It's not just the design of the ships that presents a problem.
>streamlined and futuristic looking displays in ships
>futuristic looking battle droids
>considerably better designed armor for the Clones
>bleepy bloopy control panels in ships
>no futuristic looking computer devices or displays, old fashioned cathode-ray tube TV screens galore
>no battle droids (and the non-battle droids look primitive in comparison)
>far less extensive usage of advanced tech
The prequel universe and the original trilogy universe feel like two completely separate franchises mushed together awkwardly. Lucas is a hack who could not stick to his established universe because of his autistic obsession with "updating" things.
Only really cool Prequel design.
The no battle droids was explained pretty well. After the clone wars they destroyed all factories and destroyed all remains of the droid armies, so obviously there wouldn't be any droids left by the time the OT rolled around.
>Military personnel old enough to fight in the clone wars doubt the Jedi existed
>Chiew, the guy who fought alongside a jedi Master laughs at the idea of the force
Or you can just be honest, and accept that George gave no fucks if the two trilogies logically mesh into one.
>Outside of military personnel and politicians, who would really know what they were anyway?
An 8-year old boy who has never seen a Jedi in his life
A Jewish merchant in the middle of fucking nowhere
A protocol droid
An underground species, cut off from the rest of the Galaxy
Drunkies in a bar
>Yoda and Obi Wan both get their shit rekt by force lightning on several occasions
>don't think to warn Luke about it
>obi wan gives Luke Anakins lightsaber
>oh yeah he murdered 30 kids with it. He was a good friend
I hate the prequels for shit like this
Just because we don't see it doesn't mean its not there.
20 years passed between the Prequels and OT. We never see Naboo at all, or Coruscant we only see glimpses off. Who is to say that those ships aren't still around?
On the OT, we see.
>Tatooine, a lawless planet ruled by Hutts.
>Yavin IV, a giant forest planet filled with abandoned Jedi Temples
>Hoth, an ice planet that doesn't really have any civilization.
>Dagobah, basically a swamp planet.
>Bespin, dozens of platforms hovering over the planet.
>Endor, a forest moon with a tribal civilization.
We never really see a buzzing metropolis of civilization, nothing at their technological peak. The galaxy is a huge place, for all we know those ships like in Naboo could have still been around, they could have been more advanced elsewhere. All we saw were Imperial Military fighting Rebels throughout a couple of systems that were not really populated so the Rebels could hide better.
I think the idea was that the tech looked borked and run-down after the Empire took over. That would be the logical conclusion, but Lucas didn't realize it would alienate fans.
>>don't think to warn Luke about it
Luke, if you ever face the Emperor, not matter what, do not throw away your lightsaber, it's the only way you could stop force lightning. This weapon is your life, and a good friend.
>people trying to defend the prequels
The plots were shit, the character arcs were embarrassing, it looked awful because of the CGI, most of the ideas were just plain bad, the fights were god awful compared to the OT's considered samurai style combat, the acting was bad
The only things I like about the prequels are that some of the alien & environment designs are interesting. But that's all on the artists, Lucas surrounded himself with great talent and wasted it all
>I hate the prequels for this shit
Why do you hate them?, during A New Hope, Darth Vader was just a glorified lacky. Even if they had it planned from there that Darth Vader was going to be Luke's father if Obi-Wan told Luke about how he got the Lightsaber off of his father it would have ruined the reveal in Empire Strikes back.
Same thing with the force lightning, if he had told him it would have felt out of place and it wouldn't have made sense since its something that will happen in Return of a Jedi. Sure it could have worked if Force Ghost Obi-Wan told him in Return of the Jedi but then again, it would have ruined the "oh shit" moment when the Emperor uses force lightning.
That wasn't fault of the prequels at all, it was fault of how things got expanded after A New Hope. Some of you prequel haters are just down right autistic about the story.
I like to think that once the empire had gained control of the galaxy they systematically began removing any kind of technology that could be used to threaten their existence. The same way actual tyrants do.
It helps me with the prequels being so much more advanced than the original trilogy.
The idea is that Darth Vader has taken over and Anakin is no more. You can't BE YOURSELF and be a sith at the same time. He gave him Anakin's saber, and in Obi-Wan's mind, Anakin killed no innocents, that was Vader.
I don't think Obi-Wan ever came into contact with force lightning, but Yoda has been living alone on a swamp planet for 20 years or so, understandable that somethings may have slipped his mind.
No they weren't, TFA at least looks much better than the prequels and some of the ideas aren't shit
The problem with that movie is the script is bad and it's quite clear there is a lackadaisy attitude of 'we'll fix it in the extra material/sequels' which ruins the actual film. It was obviously rushed because they wanted the old actors in it before they start dying off/didn't want to do it anymore
Obi Wan could block force lightning with his lightsaber and saw Anakin get fucked up by it on geonosis.
And I really doubt yoda would have forgotten fighting the Emperor and nearly dying.
Okay, name me one other director other than George Lucas that made a trilogy of movies then 20 years later made another trilogy of movies taking place before the original trilogy he made. There were going to be inconsistencies on such a huge undertaking spanning six movies. You have a lot of factors outside the film that could have affected this. Could George have done better?, absolutely but he did what he could given his circumstances.
>could've, should've, would've
Discussing this in movies is a vicious circle. But lets say Yoda or Obi-Wan did tell Luke about the Emperor's force lightning. Luke would have used his lightsaber to block out his force lightning and then what?, the whole series of events that made the scene great would have been ruined. In terms of the in-universe implications it would have made sense for them to tell Luke, but in terms of the story I think it would have a bigger impact that Luke didn't block the Emperor's lightning as to have the events that happened after it.
Yeah. See? I can watch something like this and then I don't need to participate in a thread like this. For me, there's no argument. Why is something in the movie the way it is? I'll watch the interview with the director and creative people. End of discussion. There's no shitposting necessary, or back-and-forth "George didn't care, blah, blah, blah." It's end of discussion.
>I NOTICED A THING IN A MOVIE AND NOW I'LL SHITPOST AND GET 200+ RESPONSES
No need. Be a grown-up. Look at the source material. End of discussion.
>POST TEH SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND MY FRIENDS WILL POST THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL BE LIKE A BUNCH OF FUN GUYS POSTING THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FUN
No need. It's been discussed elsewhere, and done better. End of discussion.
I like to think the jedi are in the middle of a city because galactic civilization kinda gravitated towards them due to the promise of near-omnipotent warrior monks devoted to keeping and spreading peace... keeping the peace.
But hey, that would make sense.
>Stripped down military fighter designed for minimal protection and maximum cost efficiency.
>Primarily used by a resistance government with poor funding and a fleet mostly made up of retrofitted, upgunned, and uparmored civilian vessels.
>Ancient freighter with extensive modification that requires constant maintenance from an experienced individual just to stay functional.
Naboo was a decadent planet which had just recently come into great wealth, all of their ships are built like sports cars with low emission engines and great attention to aesthetics.
Also, check the filename of your own image OP. "Royal" that means the only people using it are going to be the super wealthy, they aren't concerned about maximum cargo space or the most durable reliable components, or modularity and room for modification.
They care about how much prestige they can garner by owning and maintaining a high end custom ship that's environmentally friendly and luxurious.
see this shit makes no sense
how does a totalitarian empire taking over the whole galaxy "crush their unity"? like that's the epitome of unity. sure it may not be a pretty kind but it's exactly the fucking kind that allows for consolidated productive power to make better shit.
Vader was like an alternate personality created by the dark side. He pushed his way through Anakin's brain suppressing that personality and taking control of the body. In essence, killing Anakin. Only at the end was Anakin able to regain control.
Well before it was retconned, KotOR indirectly confirmed that technology in the Star Wars galaxy has been stagnant for hundreds or thousands of years. Despite occurring far in the past, robot and ship designs are really no less advanced than in the main series. So you shouldn't really see any differences between movies. The example in the OP picture is only that sleek because it's a royal ship, and Naboo ship design generally seems to prefer smooth shapes over the usual boxy designs covered in greeble.
Because your average citizen doesn't want a totalitarian regime breathing down their neck. The whole reason the Empire was made legal was because the Republic was corrupt and Palpatine owned or blackmailed enough senators to ensure that any motion he suggested would be passed, even something as radical as a complete restructuring of the government.
To keep common people from rising up, you separate them so that any resistance that crops up is virtually alone. The commoners from individual planets who couldn't afford to buy their own spaceships would never see other worlds. The Empire also cracked down on smuggling because contraband is only one of the many things that can be illegally transported between planets, smugglers could also carry instructions or influential individuals to and from rebellious splinter factions.
the mining ship was way more expensive that the prometheus. It only makes sense from a film making perspective because that was about the best they could do when alien was created and prometheus didn't want to stick with the style.
It's more that there were important people on that ship - world-famous scientists and CEOs. Of course they're going to give them all Macbooks.
It's a flimsy excuse, of course. But from an aesthetic perspective, it makes more sense to put DOS screens on a space truck and HD holograms on a space cruise ship. It's not realistic, but it helps set the tone better, whether it was "planned" or not.
This explains all.
I actually recall reading somewhere that GL knew the technology wasn't good enough to properly represent his ideas for 1,2,3 hence he started with 4,5 & 6 which could be done with miniatures.
>bunch of video game artists taking a cursory look at OT designs, noticing some of them were a bit blocky, then drawing a whole bunch of blocks calling them spaceships
>space ship manufacturers forget shit when a new regime takes over
What an impractical design in a ship. So silly. What if you had to walk all the way to the bridge/core but you were on the outskirts of the ship? It would take forever.
They're probably out of business because you can't produce arms without Empire's license. Rebels have to rely on black market and shit.
The core is not for guests. You're not supposed to go there.
Yes, and apparently Naboo weren't fighting a war in ages, so the army is predominantly for show (which explains why they sucked so bad against federation). Like Swedish guards in Vatican.
>The core is not for guests. You're not supposed to go there.
Okay lets say the core is off limits. And I am a guest. But I want to visit another guest on the other side of the ship. Still a stupid fucking design.
The ring is a loading dock/flight deck. The sphere is the bridge/CIC/habitable area. It makes perfect sense.
Think of the majority of space onboard today's aircraft carriers vs the "island" decks
>Age of wealth and prosperity
>More ornate and artisan ships
>Age of totalitarianism and militia warfare
>More crude Soviet brutalist style and practical ships
Backgrounds in films like this are mostly composite ever since the invention of matte shots