NuWho finally confirmed canon edition
About to be retconned >>64905917
This thread is dedicated to the memory of Robert Banks Stewart, 1931-2016.
He created the Zygons in ToTZ. He wrote Seeds of Doom and Lost Stories audio The Foe From the Future - both classics. He was a Morbius Doctor, and just for tonight he is canon.
Rest in peace sir.
We know that. He got the idea of sonic sunglasses here back during series 8.
>/who/ is shitposting general
>Neon Visual's PR firm burned down the wiki
>Doctor Who is on indefinite hiatus
>Peter Capaldi has developed arteriosclerosis of the knee
>Steven Moffat photographed exchanging money with Michael Grade
>Jenna Coleman's on-camera breakdown on the set of Victoria jeopardizing production
>Big Finish studios have been empty for months
>BBC Books no longer accepting submissions
>Phillip Morris confirmed that the BBC "wasn't interested" in a complete copy of The Daleks' Master Plan
>Tom Baker has been in the hospital for two months, no contact with the media
>Matt Smith currently under investigation for child molestation
>Karen Gillan cut from Guardians of the Galaxy 2
>Gattiss has "exciting announcement" for November
>David Tennant and Georgia Moffett currently undergoing "trial separation"
>John Hurt cancer relapsing
>Sylvester McCoy 14 minute racist tirade recorded in a Tescos checkout line
>Rumors swirling about Colin Baker's "transition"
>Christopher Eccleston retirement announcement eminent
>Nicholas Briggs silently suffering from cancer of the larynx
>Paul McGann "hasn't come out of the basement in months" according to family members
>"Doctor Who was a mistake. It's nothing but trash," says Russell T. Davies at a Golden Globes afterparty
>Peter Davison rape accusations made in the press
>Ian Levine recently hired by BBC to "continuity adviser" position
>John Barrowman has "critical health announcement" to make about HIV status
>Urn containing Elisabeth Sladen's ashes has gone missing
>Catherine Tate releases 15 minute video about women's rights
>Jamie Mathieson signs non-compete with Channel 4, will not write for BBC for 5 years
>Larry Miles admitted for three day "psychiatric observation" after being detained outside Steven Moffat's home with "a motley collection of tools"
It's happening, /who/. Why couldn't we stop it?
Reminder polls, etc..
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Polls close on the 6th of February but this may change.
Oh my god it sounds just like /who/
Steven: Yeah. I still think all the Peter Davison stuff stands up.
David: I'm sorry but I hated the Davison era.
Steven: How could you? I'm talking retrospectively now, when I look back at Doctor Who now. I laugh at it, fondly. As a television professional, I think how did these guys get a paycheck every week? Dear god, it's bad! Nothing I've seen of the black and white stuff - with the exception of the pilot, the first episode - should have got out of the building. They should have been clubbing those guys to death! You've got an old guy in the lead who can't remember his lines; you've got Patrick Troughton, who was a good actor, but his companions - how did they get their Equity card? Explain that! They're unimaginably bad. Once you get to the colour stuff some of it's watchable, but it's laughable. Mostly now, looking back, I'm startled by it. Given that it's a children's show, and a teatime show, I think the Peter Davison stuff is well constructed, the characters are consistent...
Andy: They are consistently crap.
"If you look at other stuff from the Sixties they weren't crap - it was just Doctor Who. The first episode of Doctor Who betrays the lie that it's just the Sixties, because the first episode is really good - the rest of it's shit." - Steven Moffat
Well Moffat confirmed for /who/ poster.
Why the fuck does the rest of Unearthly child get shit on so much? Like I know the first episode is really good and all, but I thought the caveman plot was also pretty decent, enough to where I can say I liked An Unearthly Child as a whole instead of being like "first ep is GOAT the rest is garbo in comparison"
I don't understand why Clara decided to punch the Doctor in the Dick. I can understand if it was because he was possessed by the monster of the week or some such shit, but this felt like the first time she was plain mean...
Nah m8. It has three memorable stories (Mind Robber, Invasion and War Games), the rest ranges from average to very bad. It has one of the best TARDIS teams, but that isn't enough to make it one of the best seasons.
Season 7 is damaged by how stretched out the 7-episode stories are, but on average it's better than 6.
Where can I find all the titan comics? Need ma who fix.
>I am currently listening to a boxset featuring Winston Churchill, Kazran Sardick, Julius Caesar, a Dalek and the girl from The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
Welp, that's not exactly what I was expecting when hoping for New Series audios.
No. It was super dissapointing. Unless your idea of using John Hurt well includes
* Endless scenes of drinking juice (you cannot make this shit up)
* Mumbling sci-fi mumbo jumbo nonsense about null zones
* Title-dropping in every episode
I was hoping for something Dark Eyes tier, not even Shearman tier. What I got was something Zagreus tier. Scratch that, Zagreus at least was creative. I got something so shit there's no even tier for it yet.
What? Do you disagree? If so, good for you, I wish I enjoyed it, but I honestly think it's utter crap.
I'm not some Big Finish hater: I think the best of the audios is better than the best of the TV show, I literally purchase audios instead of pirate them, I just think this particular boxset is crap.
He probably is.
Let's just ignore him guys and discuss something comfy
Anyone else listened to the Churchill audios? They were pretty fun+funny. Nothing outstanding but the 1st and 3rd stories are def worth the listen.
>Let's hope the writing is also undergoing a change.
Eh, Series 8 and 9 are literally my favourite series' of all televisual Who. But I'm up for anything really: I've had my perfect years of Doctor Who, the show should change and adapt sure, even if I don't like what it turns into for a time.
No proof for the Doctor Who X stuff but it's feasible. Moffat did say they were gonna do a soft relaunch.
Honest question: how does it feel to waste your life on crappy genre fic like that? The television and audio Doctor Who episodes have worth because of the performances if nothing else. The books just have sci-fi mumbo jumbo plots and pedestrian (at best) prose.
I mean, more power to you if you enjoy them - that's great, every human should have time to be entertained and have fun. I'd just feel weird knowing there are hours of my life I'm never going to get back that I spent on reading a...Doctor Who novel.
>The television and audio Doctor Who episodes have worth because of the performances if nothing else.
Why do you watch/listen to Doctor Who if you don't like it? There are many, many other shows and/or radio dramas with notable performances.
So you basically you're saying acting is more valuable than writing?
That aside, the Virgin novels are the only genre tie-in fiction I ever liked. There were a number of authors really trying to push Doctor Who beyond the confines of the show.
I reread my comment and I came across as a prick, I didn't mean to be hostile or arrogant. My bad.
>Why do you watch/listen to Doctor Who if you don't like it?
I love lots of Doctor Who, I didn't mean the performances are the only enjoyable thing in Doctor Who, but that even in crap episodes at least the performances are often quite good (e.g. Eccleston and Piper are charming in the dull Long Game).
I really love lots of Doctor Who even if I think overwhelming parts of it are crappy. Androzani, Heaven Sent, Scherzo, etc. - these are brilliant pieces of science-fiction.
>So you basically you're saying acting is more valuable than writing?
I'm saying (good) acting is always baseline enjoyable, but bad prose will generally be unpleasant unless the characters and plot are very good.
Of course, everything I'm saying is just my opinion.
That's fair. I don't see it as time wasted. Reading a Who book doesn't really take much longer than listening to an audio or watching a few episodes.
I got into Doctor Who in the 90s so the books were really my only source of new content. I know they are not the best sometimes, but sometimes they can be brilliant.
To sum it up;
>Series 10 going to be called Series X or just X
>Peter Capaldi is signed for a full run of episodes, with rumours claiming that Series X is consisted of 10, 1 hour episodes(I think Moffat said they are producing 13 episodes)
>New companion, TARDIS interior and stylish, minimalistic logo along with the new format are to be revealed in February 2nd
I actually got into a discussion on
/r/gallifreytoday about whether people should skip the shitty audio stories or not. Someone was asking for a rundown of Eight's audios and I posted a list outlining the important arc ones and the great quality ones, and said to skip most of the rest. People replied saying "Oh but I love Something Inside/Memory Lane/etc." and one of the resident Big Finish fans swapped a few posts with me about how people shouldn't skip any stories.
I honestly disagree soooooo much. Why subject yourself to shit? Why should someone spend 2 hours of their life listening to Scaredy Cat? I don't understand the need for completion when the vast majority of the shitty stories have no plot or character arc stuff.
You said to skip Faith Stealer though. Faith Stealer is great! It's one of the GOOD Divergent Universe stories.
Some of us even like The Dimension Riders. If you tell people to skip the ones you don't like, they may end up skipping a bunch they would have liked and suffering through the ones you recommended but they don't like.
Who's the fucking retard? How would you know for certain an audio was "shit" unless you hear it?
Or unless Paul Magrshole wrote it?
If you want to skip audios, do so, but don't tell everyone else they are wasting time with audios you haven't even fucking heard.
Except camp pastiche/shitty pun titled Magrshole stuff.
I don't understand - I adore Doctor Who. That's why it pains me to hear shit like Scaredy Cat. At its best, Doctor Who is masterpieces like Chimes and Natural History.
If I didn't enjoy Doctor Who, why would I be here? Why would I spend my time making big recommendation lists? Why would I have spent so many hours of my life watching and listening to, sometimes bloody brilliant, episodes of Doctor Who?
I honestly cannot understand the type of person that truly believes you need to subject yourself to non-essential crap just because of the brand name.
>Because maybe some people actually enjoy Doctor Who? Obviously you don't but other do.
Is that seriously your response to someone saying skip the shit audios?
Enjoying Doctor Who does not mean throwing all semblance of standards out the window and uncritically consuming everything with 'Doctor Who' on the cover.
>How would you know for certain an audio was "shit" unless you hear it?
You don't, but general critical consensus is a good indicator. It's all subjective at the end of the day but you can assume most Doctor Who fans have very broadly similar tastes and thus would find a story like Something Inside unenjoyable. Only a small minority enjoys that story - google reviews, the Goodreads page, etc. to see such consensus, or just ask on places like here or /r/gallifrey.
>If you want to skip audios, do so, but don't tell everyone else they are wasting time with audios you haven't even fucking heard.
...but I HAVE heard them.
>If you tell people to skip the ones you don't like, they may end up skipping a bunch they would have liked and suffering through the ones you recommended but they don't like.
Of course, but I'm not some critic god ordering them to do what I say. I just posted my recommendation which the OP is free to ignore, take into consideration, or follow completely. I'm all for people discussing/arguing about which audios are worthwhile, but I find the idea that you HAVE to listen to every single audio silly - most of the Divergent Universe ones are not very good (there is definite consensus here) and have little plot or character arc relevance.
Exactly. That's just blatant fanboyism which is no good for anyone.
The End of Time is a horrible fucking story but I don't tell people to skip it. it should all be heard or watched once, and then you can shit about it on /who/ and have more discussion. /who/ wouldn't be here if everyone skipped shit. "Hey guys did anyone else not watch saturdays episode, man it was so shit, I didn't watch it cause I never watch christmas episodes but it was shit, nothing important happens in christmas episodes anyway."
People said Minuet in Hell was fucking awful, but I didn't skip it and I actually enjoyed it cause it was bad.
Boom Town would've been a GOAT episode if Bootleg E.T. wasn't the main villain.
Different anon but I don't think a TV story like TEoT is the best comparison, something like that is actually still relevant to understanding and talking about current episodes and the history of the show. Whereas BF is so much less linear and larger than NuWho, when you get a shit story it's just really inconsequential.
It definitely makes for more to talk about if you follow through all of the audios, but it's not a lifestyle choice I would suggest to someone who just wants to get into them.
>The End of Time is a horrible fucking story but I don't tell people to skip it.
Neither do I because A) obviously it has huge plot and character arc significance, furthering and ending Ten's character development and having enormous arc stuff plot-wise, and B)
because I actually think a lot of it is brilliant - all the Doctor/Wilf interactions, particularly the gun scene, the Time Lord stuff, the indulgent hall of fame tour at the end, the regeneration. I know I'm not part of the general consensus there though.
I don't know why people are acting like I ordered anyone around though. I offered my clearly subjective opinion of what stories the OP should try out. I honestly can't see what's controversial about telling people what the general critical consensus of episodes are.
> /who/ wouldn't be here if everyone skipped shit
But everyone here has "skipped shit". Most posters here have "skipped" all the novels. Plenty of posters haven't seen most of Classic Who, or any even. People are here presumably because they enjoy some level of Doctor Who. I don't see why being a fanboy and experiencing absolutely everything under the brand name is required.
>Whereas BF is so much less linear and larger than NuWho, when you get a shit story it's just really inconsequential.
Absolutely. A story like Scaredy Cat is generally regarded as awful, and has literally zero character arc or plot arc significance. Why would I tell someone to listen to it if they were clearly just dipping their toes into audio dramas for the first time? Even then, they don't have to listen to me, I don't get how people are missing this. All we can say are our own subjective opinions; we can't control people's intake of Doctor Who media, and why would anyone even want to?
Can we make a list of Doctor Who novels that are thinly disguised crossovers with other fictional universes?
>Falls the Shadow - Sapphire and Steel
>Burning Heart - Judge Dredd
>Corpse Marker (and the Kaldor City audios) - Blake's 7
>The Indestructible Man - Gerry Anderson's TV shows
>The Crooked World - various cartoons
>Heart of TARDIS -The Simpsons
Are there more?
All Consuming Fire, the novel only.
DW, cthulu mythos, Sherlock Holmes
Not to be confused with Big Finish's All Consuming Fire, which is a bastardisation of the novel skewed towards Sherlock Holmes and more comedic. Less frightening than a shit in took yesterday which had blood in it and an eye.
Can you elaborate on why you disliked the adaptation? It wasn't as good as the book, but I don't think adaptations ever are. I liked it as a tie-in to the book where I got to hear the definitive actors playing their book characters.
I thought I was pretty clear.
It's one of may favourite novels but, and this has happened a few times, the audio was barely recognisable to me as the same source material.
Holmes heavy. Lovecraft light. Wrong 7th Doctor performance. Wrong Ace performance.
The tone of the entire thing never matched the excellent novel.
Broadly speaking, I feel they try to emphasise the drama, as luvvies tend to do, and eliminate the sf/fantasy action adventure, as that is 'rubbish' to some.
"We love stories" is slightly misleading sometimes.
And I'd like to say I love Big Finish and have done side The Sirens of Time.
Early BF is Doctor Who heavy.
New BF is differnet. The pretention of "great drama" has crept in.
DW can be great. DW can be dramatic. Sometimes it can be great drama. But to me, DW was always about fantasy stories and not centered on emotional (sentimental, really) beats and relationships.
no, i'm serious.
before No Future it's all "I'm edgy Ace and I'm mad at everyone" and "Lol I just killed people because I'm the edgy Doctor."
afterwards everybody gets along and the Doctor does't have a secret crazy agenda all the time
yeah theres no solid evidence but it does seem at least plausible given moffats comments about 'reinventing' she show each year and changing it up.
Series X sounds a bit gimmicky but i can see moffat doing something like that
Fair dos. If that's your perception, fine.
You did say "edgy" twice, however, and that irreparably damaged my perception of you, unfortunately.
Your opinion is your opinion and that's all that can be said.
I said this yesterday but going with "Series X" over "Series 10" would be pretty in-character for Moffat and co. They don't ever want the series to seem to the passerby like that old worn out thing that's still going, here it goes again for the umpteenth time (if Moff could have gotten away with renumbering S5 as S1 he probably would have). Climbing into double digits runs that risk, whereas applying some flashy gimmick like X circumvents it a bit.
I said "edgy" because that's how the NAs often thought of themselves. They thought they were becoming deep or more dramatic than the kids TV show they were continuing because they added violence, sex, and swearing.
Moffat only does gimmicks, in the main.
He's the Shyamalan of DW.
Writes to get to the big twist.
Less interested in detailed consistent plotting which all ties up seamlessly when rewatching a series.
>Broadly speaking, I feel they try to emphasise the drama, as luvvies tend to do, and eliminate the sf/fantasy action adventure, as that is 'rubbish' to some.
>Early BF is Doctor Who heavy.
>New BF is differnet. The pretention of "great drama" has crept in.
>DW can be great. DW can be dramatic. Sometimes it can be great drama. But to me, DW was always about fantasy stories and not centered on emotional (sentimental, really) beats and relationships.
That's curious, because I feel like the opposite happened. Back at the start, BF used to do a lot of stories about the characters (successful or not), like Scherzo, or the Villains trilogy, or The Rapture, or Arrangements for War.
These days, it feels like every story has to be a standard adventure about the Doctor meeting an enemy and defeating it. There is still a story that's a bit more about the characters once in a while, but nothing like the ones I mentioned above (apart from the Companion Chronicles, but those are character-focused by definition).
But that term is meaningless to me.
As for sex and swearing, this is the same old rubbish rearing it's head again.
Characters have sex on a very few occasions. It's only referenced in the main, there is no details of sexual activity.
Same for swearing. It hardly ever happens.
Ironically, by Damaged Goods, we get a novel with 14 pages of fairly explicit details of cottaging at the start and yet no-one ever says a fucking thing about that.
To anyone reading contemporary sf at the time, these sex/swearing/violence content was in keeping with the sf zeitgeist at the time although at a MASSIVELY reduced level of explicitness compared to the big novels of that era.
I think people who moaned at the time were expecting simplistic TV tie in novels, 128 pages of fanfic, and not literature.
Yeah.... You handpicked the most dramatic one there, as you know :)
Scherzo is absolutely an exception as all Shearman stuff tends to be.
This comes down to definitions. I look at Spare Parts as the perfect DW story for example.
It get characters and plot in the right proportion.
It has dark humour but it's not "oh this is load of old camp shite and it's fabulous!"
Does anyone remember ages ago, there were some toys/etc. announced bearing a version of the logo that looked like the current one but a) sans serif and b) with the slanted H-bar and stuff reminiscent of pic related? I recall really liking it but I can't find the pic anywhere.
It's been nearly five years, I'm pretty sure they would've "disposed" of Sladen by now.
As a whole, I've got zero problem with sex or swearing. In fact, it annoys me when characters censor themselves for no reason. But some NAs had a tendency to treat increased violence and sexual content as merit in its own right. Early post-Deceit Ace was always whining about how she simultaneously hated the Doctor for being untrustworthy and was jealous of Benny because she thought Benny was the Doctor's new favorite. Early post-Deceit Benny was annoyingly jealous of Ace as the Doctor's first and favorite. The pre-No Future Doctor often had kept his plans secret from his friends just for the sake of mysteriousness and was unnecessarily extreme in his methods.
A soft relaunch might be what it needs. A different format with slightly longer episodes so that they can flesh the plot out, refreshed cast (keeping capaldi), slight hiatus to make everyone miss the show and hopefully moffat can fuck off or at least tone down his overly complicated 'look how clever i am' stories.
>That time Clara punched the TARDIS in the dick
Are you thinking of one on the right?
It was used for 50th anniversary products
i understand. They tried to write DW to the cyberpunk/contemporary standard at the time and results were variable, just like all DW :)
I am just happy they at least made an effort to push boundaries.
Modern DW novels are generally more like generic tv tie-in stuff or even worse, basic fanfics.
The fact that people still discuss the NAs whether they like them or despise them is probably good indicator of their impact either way.
>Modern DW novels are generally more like generic tv tie-in stuff or even worse, basic fanfics.
I only listened to Blood Cell audiobook. It was basically a TV story and pretty good for it.
>That time Anon kept using his shitty meme
not only that, check the news guys
matt smith died in a car accident too
good and bad day for whovians everywhere
Dark Eyes is not as good as the hype makes out. Many of the episodes are box fillers.
Liv Chenka is a robotic character. Absolutely dull as dishwater.
Series ends with generic nuwho "companion lives a full and happy life to old age and then commits suicide reset button" predictable cack.
The 8th Doctor started at Big Finish with a clean slate.
The 8th Doctor is now so tied into Time War continuity that he has lost any of the thrill of those early audios.
Not a popular opinion I know but there it it.
I listened to Doom Coalition. I honestly can't really tell you what it was generally about.
I have bought over 200 BF audios and listen to BF audios and other radio dramas every week.
>‘Matt Fitton, Andrew Smith, Ken Bentley and I have had great fun creating a fearsome new breed of monster,’ says producer David Richardson. ‘Fast as lightning, these alien assassins will provide a brand new mystery for UNIT to solve - and, over the course of four episodes, take the world to the brink of destruction…’
Only Big Finish could tell themselves 'ninjas, but alien' is an exciting new idea.
I agree eight is too tied with Time war shit. Please big finish make him run away from it and go back to unique adventure. Please no no more grimdark eight. It was cool for a while but excessive now. Just leave Mary's story and the time war prequel thing next year as the only deep time war shit
Nice one Anon!
But please stop your autism is hurting me
tbf you're probably not far off
as you can see, the juvenile little shits who can't string one coherent sentence together are happy posting any old crap when faced with talking about Dr Who
like spoiled little cunts talking over a conversation they are too stupid to understand or take part in
>I am just happy they at least made an effort to push boundaries.
Oh, absolutely. I love the NAs and always prefer failed attempts at something new (Kill the Moon) over sticking to tradition.
>Modern DW novels are generally more like generic tv tie-in stuff or even worse, basic fanfics.
I've only read one NSA, so I really don't know, but I recently read that The Eyeless had a wilderness years quality to it.
four major events in one day - /who/ should be exploding right now
Frankly, now they have Hurt, there should be a moratorium on any more "LOL TIME LORDS INTRIGUE" McGann stories. But boy I'm sure "The Eighth Doctor: The Time War" and Doom Coalition 2, 3 and 4 will all be unique and exciting and not a total slog...maybe in the last episode we will even find out what a Doom Coalition is!
Honestly Dark Eyes should never have become a thing beyond the first box set, all it ended up meaning was "wank involving retrogenitor particles and the Dalek Time Controller" and then they shoehorned in the Eminence (the who?) at some point. I didn't mind Molly coming back or McGann facing off with Macqueen, but none of that needed to be Dark Eyes to happen.
Yes I remember it. Here was the cleaned version of it. I was so hype because serifs are fucking ugly and outdated.
grimdark eight is only in Dark Eyes 1, Mary's Story, and The Diary of River Song. the whole point of Dark Eyes 1 was that he got over
Lucie, and Molly's death in Dark Eyes 4proved how much he has matured. He's back to the same old happy-go-lucky Doctor we had back in Storm Warning.
I don't even get what the end of DE4 was supposed to mean,
wasn't the old Molly who died from an alternate timeline that ended up getting reverted anyway? Surely our Molly is still out there somewhere doing fine?
yes. retro fitting an 'arc' was a big mistake as was calling them all Dark Eyes.
I couldn't honestly tell you if Doom Coalition has an arc yet. It's already had two filler stories
Here was the original cropped one taken from the box (I think it was some Dalek toys), I don't seem to have the original anymore unfortunately but I do have one that shows the very bottom of it on another box of figures.
I'd hardly call him happy the same way he was in, say, living legend or other lives
I would seriously pay premium for big finish to put eight back in a series style range with it's own arcs not connected to gallifrey or time war.
>I couldn't honestly tell you if Doom Coalition has an arc yet. It's already had two filler stories
The thing about Doom Coalition is that they supposedly planned it all out as one 16 part story in advance, which sounds very nice - but the flipside of it is that it was probably too easy to go "oh yes, this bit of the story will definitely make for an hour long episode, let's move onto planning the next" which then leads to a hell of a lot of filler/padding suddenly happening on execution (and doesn't guarantee good episodes either way; that only gets decided when the writers are assigned).
I think it was great for eccleston, okay for tennant, and then too much from there. Mary's story and dark eyes 1 flirted with it well. That's about it. Hurt can keep it. God, the hurt boxset was awful. At least the river boxset was good.
Big Finish's Time-war-spin-offs were going to have a hard time measuring up to the original time-war anyway. I'm actually kind of sad that they don't take this opportunity and use the time war as a subtle connection for all of their ranges, in a Deepest Lore kind of way.
What's banal about the genuine complaint?
Moffat regulary starts one story and then just starts writing another story later on , dropping his own build ups.
I can't think of any other famous writer of anything in any genre who is well known for doing this.
No doubt you will say he doesn't do this.
maybe I am a bad person but I'm afraid I don't honestly belive there is any kind of 16 part epic worked out in advance.
I believed it until I heard DC1 and now I definitely don't.
There may be a vague arc for the baddie pencilled in but that's it as far as I see so far.
>Only Big Finish could tell themselves 'ninjas, but alien' is an exciting new idea.
The Time War can be expanded on brilliantly, but it needs a genuinely imaginative SF/fantasy writer with an understanding of subtlety and ambiguity in fiction.
Nicholas Briggs is the opposite of Lawrence Miles.
You can blame Moffat for changing his mind. In the extras, Briggs said that they only decided to have stories set during the Time War because The Day of the Doctor did it.
And honestly, what were the Hurt audios going to be about, if not the Time War? He was born to fight in it.
>mfw Big Finish realise that they've fucked up and produced almost nothing but shitty, formulaic box sets since Gary Russell left
>mfw Briggs is replaced by Mad Larry, who commissions scripts by Rob Shearman and all the Faction Paradox Obverse writers
I wouldn't have bothered with Hurt audios for that exact reason.
I am not sure what can be achieved with the character. Maybe they will find a surprising direction but I am not totally convinced yet.
Once the novelty dies down there may be problems.
Miles had already written twelve Faction Paradox audios. I wouldn't say they're Shearman-level,but there's a lot of brilliant stuff in there. While the War is more of a backdrop, there's still some pretty creative and trippy shit - much more so than we'll ever get in the Briggs Finish version.
IMO Faction Paradox couldn't have handled its War any better. The Book of the War establishes all the backstory, the audios are a relatively straightforward continuation of the important stuff, and the books often use the War only as a backdrop to tell a good story.
>And honestly, what were the Hurt audios going to be about, if not the Time War? He was born to fight in it.
Easiest would be to just not put the focus on Hurt. Invent an engaging main character, the companion, the identification figure, who accidently gets swept up in the events of the Time War and the Doctor. He cannot understand the events of the time war or why the Doctor is doing the things he does because they work on such a fundamentally different level, and on this background his own personal story is told.
Basically, a mix between Faction Paradox and the New Adventures. Hurt would make a fantastic Time's Champion.
My favourite thing about it is that it really doesn't feel over. The BBC/Big Finish Time War is getting claustrophobic, and they keep piling on continuity and tying things up neatly, but the Faction Paradox rabbit-hole just keeps getting deeper. We still don't know who the Enemy is, and there are so many fun possibilities - I still autistically theorise about it after all these years.
>He cannot understand the events of the time war or why the Doctor is doing the things he does because they work on such a fundamentally different level, and on this background his own personal story is told.
Big Finish Will Never Let Us Go
I think the Time War can be done well, but the scope of the ideas involved needs to be insane.
Pic related is probably the Doctor Who story that does the best job at portraying the magnitude and weirdness of a Time War imo.
>Time Lords and Lovecraftian horrors fighting on prehistoric Earth
>Weapons that can turn reality into fiction and fiction into reality
>a predator that can devour concepts used to destroy creatures of pure knowledge
And there's more, like the agents of the Celestis, the Doctor riding the War TARDISes, the Swimmers.
Fuck, I loved this book.
The other night I dreamt that Matt Smith made a cameo in Class, and regenerated into some generic white 30-year-old guy with a shaved head. In another scene, that guy regenerated into Matt Smith again. The idea was that he was another incarnation of the Doctor *in between* two seasons of Smith, and that this incarnation would star in the entire series of Class, allowing them to use the Doctor without having to pay any Doctor actor much. They were explaining it by saying that the Tenth Doctor's first regeneration didn't actually count (even though Smith -> new incarnation -> Smith -> Capaldi still adds up to an extra incarnation with Tennant subtracted.)
How autistic am I?
I am kind of proud that my unconscious came up with the idea of shoehorning a secret incarnation into the middle of a single previous incarnation's run - it's stupid, but at least I've never seen it before
Wasn't there some comic where the cliffhanger was the Tenth Doctor regenerating back into Eccleston? I've only seen a panel, but presumably he regenerated back into Tennant in the next issue. Same basic idea.