What was Sauron's plan for after he conquered Middle Earth?

>>64927362
enslavement and then probably try to invade Aman eventually

Top Earth

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Why was Sauron evil anyway?

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Why did Sauron take half his power and put it into an easily-misplaced ring? Why didn't he just stay at full power?

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>>64927423
Evil is a point of view

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What if Sauron didn't bother making a ring? Wouldn't that mean he could just keep fighting after Isildur cut his fingers off? And wouldn't that mean he would have won that battle?

>>64927408
>not going for Bottom Earth to establish a solid foundation

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Why didn´t elves just forge a bigger master ring to control the one ring?

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Was Sauron the most powerful god there was? If not, why didn't the gods superior to him intervene? Were they content to just let Middle Earth be destroyed and thousands killed?

>>64927515
No need to rush when they already have the high ground.

>>64927529
Because Celebrimbor was the only one capable of it.
Celebrimbor had a rough time after making the ring

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How do elves die if they're immortal?

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Why did Aragorn charge recklessly into battle right at the Black Gate? Was getting caught part of his plan?

>>64927609

After they created everything they just sent their demi-god Wizards down to do their dirty work.

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Why were Frodo and Sam so touchy-feely with each other?

>>64927609

Sauron wasn't a god. He was on the same level as Saruman/Gandalf. He gained power and knowledge from Morgoth to produce the One Ring which made him extremely powerful but only through the ring.

>>64927681

Immortality doesn't mean invulnerability.

>>64927466
Taking part of your power and spending it (forever) in something is more or less how magic works in the Middle Earth.

>>64927726

Last battle. They had staked everything on Frodo/Sam reaching Mt. Doom and hoped that them doing that battle would give them time to destroy the ring. It's why I was pissed to find out they cut the Mouth of Sauron bit in the Theatrical Release. It adds a lot more emotion to that final scene.

Heavy metal. It's canon.

>>64927508

He wouldn't have the connection with all other rings

>>64927362
Was Jar Jar Tolkien racist? good=white, evil=slanted eyes/black/brown.

>>64927825
No, Sauran was from a higher rank than Saruman and Gandalf. There's no way any of the Wizards could have defeated Sauron, let alone Morgoth if he were still around.

The role of the Wizards was to assist and help Men, Elves and Dwarfs to defeat Sauron, because otherwise the gods didn't care about Middle Earth.

>>64927362
TELL ME ABOUT SAURON
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE RING

>>64930125

Sauron is the same thing as Saruman and all the other wizards, you silly boy.

There's a reason Gandalf flipped out when the ring was offered to him.

>>64927466
It was way to infiltrate into kings circle of 3 races presenting them rings of power and defeat them from within. Though plan went into shit. Elves saw through his bullshit and hide their rings, gnomes ended too stupid and were all eaten together with rings by dragons, and only humans kinda worked providing Sauron with Nazgul guards. So eventually Sauron ended with failure of plan and his soul trapped in the ring. Guy outsmarted himself.

>>64927408
kek

>>64927529
They didn't have crypto keys for them.

>>64927362
ABSOLUTE EVIL

why wasn't the ring just given to the eagles to take to mt.doom ...

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>>64927362
CRASHING THIS REALM

WITH NO SURVIVORS

legalize gay marriage so he can bum Gandalf

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>>64930839

>>64927466
Didn't the ring magnify his power though?

what would happen if Kylo Ren wore the one ring?

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>>64927362

If Hackson is so money hungry why doesn't he make the Silmarillion into a 7 part flick?

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>>64931183
Why doesn't Christopher Tolkien piss on his father's legacy and make more money?

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>>64927825

Why didn't Morgoth just cuck middle earth?

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Why is it called Middle Earth when it was clearly not underneath the ground?

>>64930125
Why don't the gods of middle earth give a shit about their creation?

>>64931145
He'd still be a cuck

>>64931302
>>64931302
No no no

It's between Left Earth and Right Earth

fucking plebs, i swear to god

>>64931348
Why is it called Middle Earth? Why do maps of it seem to imply there's more land outside the borders? Is there?

>>64927362
To Netflix and chill.

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>>64931348


Who lives in Top Earth and Bottom Earth?

>>64931429
ian mckellen in top , frodo in bottom

>>64931527
I'm implying they are gay together.... just to be clear

>>64931183
>>64931215

Christopher Tolkien said that jackson will never be allowed to do anything with JRRs work ever again.

>'Without the cooperation of the Tolkien estate, there can't be more films': Peter Jackson won't be returning to Middle Earth for legal reasons
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2860715/Peter-Jackson-won-t-returning-Middle-Earth-legal-reasons.html

>>64931693
I wonder if Christopher would be adverse to a LOTR film or miniseries that he had close with cooperation and supervision over

>>64931743

NETFLIX/TOLKIEN COLLABORATION WHEN

>>64927726
Why did Sauron stay after his army ran off at Umbar? Was getting caught part of his plan?

>>64927407
>then probably try to invade Aman eventually
Nope, he wasn't trying to control the universe kind of guy, ME was enough ANd he was not nearly strong enough to do so

>>64927362
Crashing this plane

>>64930125
>The role of the Wizards was to assist and help Men, Elves and Dwarfs to defeat Sauron,

Because if they tried to do so by force, it would likely lead to one of them replacing sauron as the baddie of ME

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Why did Sauron feel it necessary to go to battle himself? Was he in that desperate of a situation? It seemed as though the Elf and Human offensive was a Battle of the Bulge/ 1944 Ardennes Offensive sort of situation

>>64931743

i dont think so personally. even if he found a director/producer etc., C.Tolkien would be so hard pressed to keep everything to what his father saw it as, which simply wouldnt appeal to many people in the form of a movie.

C.tolkien was pissed that the costumes were made to look medieval, as opposed to the bright green Aragorn was supposed to be dressed in.

>>64927362
Okay serious question here LOTR fans:

Gandalf is magic. Why not conjure up a car, and drive to mordor?

>>64932069

Or by JRR's experience, the 1917 German Spring offensive

getting his dick sucked by elves

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>>64931693
youre telling me we wont be getting more lotr media because hollywood is full of greedy old fuckwits??

FUCK

>>64932123
too many roadworks going on

>>64932153
1918*

>>64932069

Nah, Sauron was gettin #rekt m8

>>64932069
if I remember correctly he doesn't go out to the battlefield in the book. The elves and men eventually storm Barad-dur.

>>64932228

atleast until C.Tolkien dies, and whoever takes over the Tolkien estate is willing to try again.

but at the rate things are going, Aragorn will be syrian and Arwen will be wearing a hijab, and Sauron will be a evil white man

>>64932378
But Sauron is an evil white man

>>64927362
He was gonna make middle-earth great again.

>>64930277
No. Sauron is a Maiar. Gandalf and Saruman are less powerful.

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>>64932378
>nd Sauron will be a evil white man

Too late

>>64930839
IF A GODDAMN DRAGON WITH INVULNERABLE FUCKING SCALES CAN BE SHOT DOWN A GODDAMN EAGLE IS FUCKED
AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE FUCKING RING RIGHT TO SAURON
ALSO THE EAGLES DONT DO SHIT FOR ANYBODY

>>64932447
Gandalf and Saruman are both maiar m8

>>64932492
No they're not.

>>64932492
>>64932447
>>64932513


>Of the many spirits that descended into Arda at its beginning, there were those of lesser stature than the Valar (though they were still powerful) who were known as the Maiar. Each of the Maiar was attached to the 'people' of a particular Vala. So, for example, the Maia Ossë, as a spirit of the sea, belonged to the people of Ulmo, while Curumo, the Maia who came to Middle-earth as Saruman, belonged to the people of Aulë the Smith.

In the Third Age, there were still Maiar in physical form to be found in Middle-earth. The most important of these were Saruman, Sauron (originally also of Aulë's people), and Olórin, known as Gandalf, who belonged to the people of Manwë and Varda.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/m/maiar.html

i could post a list of em all

>>64932473
>IF A GODDAMN DRAGON WITH INVULNERABLE FUCKING SCALES CAN BE SHOT DOWN A GODDAMN EAGLE IS FUCKED
>Battle of Five Armies
>Eagles fly straight through an army of orcs unharmed
Am i the only one who finds this weird?
>ALSO THE EAGLES DONT DO SHIT FOR ANYBODY
Except when they do do shit.

>>64932565
Except when they owed gandalf some favours

>>64932492

Prove it

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>>64932123
One does not simply drive into Mordor

>>64927676
The Shadow of Mordor stuff with him taking on Sauron was pretty cool, not canon but entertaining

>>64927362

probably move against the elves and shit on the other side of the world and then fight the god people after he conquered the elves

>sozz im not lore nerd

>>64932513
Are you retarded?

>>64932565
>Battle of Five Armies
>Eagles fly straight through an army of orcs unharmed
movie bullshit
>Except when they do do shit.
they only helped what little they did because they owed gandalf a favor or something

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But, but the Quad amputee troll, that was in the books? Right?

>>64932611
I did you fucking retard. Oh my god are you a fucking retard?

>>64932611

>Prove it
>>64932534

>>64931693

Thank God.
SIlmarillion doesn't need nor deserve the Hobbit-ification.

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This scene from the latest Uber-Director's cut is touching.

How did black people end up in Lake Town?

>>64932378

They all white though
Except the easterlings and the snake guys, those are clearly evil arabs happy to help Sauron because of inherent malice.

>>64932769
>How did black people end up in Lake Town?

Umm, something or another floats downstream?

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>>64932755

>>64931693
No more Middle Earth

>after LOTR
That's bullshit

>After The Hobbit
I'm ok with this

>>64931693
Let's be honest here. The Silmarillion is far from perfect. Ancalagon, anyone?

>>64930125
They were actually all of the same order, buddy. You need to CHECK your FACTS, pleb.

>>64932769

Let's be honest here, that's the last of The Hobbit' problems.

>>64932462
Stupid sexy Sauron

>>64932818

Silmarillion has the Turin story which would be perfect for a film, and the Beren and Luthien love story with a talking Dog (Uan) would be good for a flick.

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>>64932916

Sauron was a "student" of Aule the Smith. He was obsessed with order. In his twisted mind, enslaving the Free peoples would grant Middle Earth the ordnung it lacked

>>64930125

They are the same shit, but the wizards got capped when they were sent to middle earth, while Sauron didn't

>>64933017
whats the level cap for a white wizard?

>>64933017

Non canon Hackson tier garbage

>>64933075
tree fiddy

>>64927362
Rule it

>>64927676
Not canon nigger

>>64932905
Also Children of Hurin

>>64932228
Dude, have you seen the Hobbit? Jesus fucking christ.

>>64932123
Tollbooths.

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>>64932818

>Ancalagon

YUUUUUUUUUGE

>>64933101
>They were clothed in the bodies of old men, restricting their powers so that they would only assist to the peoples of Middle-earth and not seek domination like Sauron, who was also a Maia. By inhabiting the bodies of Men they were ordered by the Valar to assist the people of Middle-earth through persuasion and encouragement, not force or fear. Being clothed in the bodies of Men they also became susceptible to all the weaknesses of a physical body, they felt hunger, pain, greed, sorrow, joy, and all other emotions and pains of Men.

dumbass

>>64933342
That's just silly

>>64932769
Merchants from Harad?

>>64932731
I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation but fuck, I liked the Hobbit book but I would never ever rewatch the Hobbit films.
At best, the first was comfy and the second had charm (though no one agrees with me) but the third was shit.

>>64933298
Doesn't mean everything after would be shit, as long as PJ isn't allowed direct the next one.

>>64927362
>What was Sauron's plan for after he conquered Middle Earth?
Create perfect order. Be HNIC forever.

>>64933365
and horniness?

What's the rules with the viddy games? Shadows of Mordor was pretty damn fun and technically not LOTR or Hobbit.

Christopher Tolkien couldn't care less?

>>64933437
the parting of Bill the pony outside of Moria was a sad event

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Why did Sauron identify with the orcs of all the races in Middle Earth?

>>64933437
I did get the feeling that Gandalf wanted to bone Galadriel.

>>64933470
gandalf slams down his cock and shouts "you shall not pass!"

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>>64927362
None, because The Lord of the Rings was easily one of the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Each episode following the boy hobbit and his pals from the Shire as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the bright imagery, the series only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Tolkien vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; he made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for his books. The Lord of the Rings series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it's certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books are g-g-good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Tolkien's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of The Lord of the Rings by the same George R.R. Martin. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading The Lord of the Rings at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read George R.R. Martin." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "The Lord of the Rings" you are, in fact, trained to read George R.R. Martin.

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>>64933377
No, it's necessary.

>>64933377

Silly, yes.
But also true

>>64933101
Wrong. Read the lost tales. One explains the background of the wizards in detail.
They were bound to the old man shape and limited in power because the last time the valar and maiar fought for real in middle earth they wrecked shit so hard that entire landmasses sunk into the sea.

>>64933528
>baiting this hard

This is just sad.

>>64933528
That's a pretty decent rewrite of the Harry Potter copypasta.

>>64933621

Again, not canon. Who writes this shit? This is tumblr tier garbage.

>>64933472
I don't think he identified with them, but Morgoth created the orcs and when he was gone Sauron didn't see a reason to stop using them.
>>64933542
>ancalagon raises his head
>head is now above the atmosphere
>ancalagon suffocates

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Why didn't Sauron where a glove over the source of all his power?

>>64933437
Saruman used his powers to get into Galadriel's elven panties

>>64933472
He actually hated the Orcs, but they were created by Morgoth and loyal to his chief lieutenant Sauron.

His greater power was in the west, where he had not-asia under his control.

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>>64933863

Why didn't Sauron wear the ring up his ass?

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>>64933863

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Friendly reminder to never trust an Elf.

How did Earendil kill a dragon the size of a mountain?

>>64934090

Godhax

Why didn't Sauron just make another ring of power?

reddit

>>64927423
his teacher, morgoth, was the essence of chaos in the universe

basically everyone else just went with the flow and he was like nah i want to do this instead

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netflix and chill with elf maidens of course

>>64927466
It was his horrocrux

>>64934090
With a flying boat

Does Sauron still exist? Is he the jews?

>>64927609
He is more like an angel/demon in a pantheon

>>64934090
Because star>mountain

>>64930105
Yes

>>64935021
Was Ghan-buri-ghan white?

>>64933542
So his foot is bigger than a mountain.
What does he eat?

>>64930125
i thought the official canon powerlevels was

sauron with ring
gandalf the white with ring
gandalf the white
saruman with ring (should be higher technically but the ring would have almost instantly consumed him because he was obsessed with it)
sauron no ring
saruman
gandalf the grey with ring
gandalf the grey

POWER GAP

radagast
blue wizards

>>64935106
pussy

>>64935360
You forgot Tom bombadil above Sauron with ring

>>64927362
To rule middle earth and then he can point his eye at naked ladies whenever he wants

>>64935660
stop memeing you /v/edditor fuckwad. tom bombadil never does anything worth mentioning and is only powerful in his domain.

if he was truly as powerful as you say gandalf wouldnt have instantly passed on the idea of trying to get him to destroy the ring.

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>>64933472
>identify with

They were just useful slaves and cannon fodder

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>>64935474

>>64933509
everybody wanted to bone galadriel.

Why a ring? There had to be something easier to hold on to.

If I put the ring on my dick would it make it invisible?

>>64936698
As far as girls are concerned it already is anon.

>>64937026
FEEL THE BURN!

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>>64931247

As an actual Tolkien expert it really angers me to see these threads flooded by armchair Tolkien experts, every day, every single fucking day.

>tfw Tolkien/LotR might get targeted by the trigger warning crowd with accusations of racism
>tfw even if you have kids, by the time they were old enough to appreciate the movies or the books they'd have been fed a narrative that Tolkien was a racist bigot

Are there any edits of The Hobbit that fix it enough to be good or even watchable?

What did Sauron get out of his evil
Was it about UNLIMITED POWER like Sheev or did he gain something else by it

Who could direct instead of Jackson?

Nolan? Abrams?

How was Melkor, who is the tolkien-equivelant of satan get his shit pushed in and absolutely humiliated by one elf in single combat?

>>64937026
#rekt #Hillary2016

>>64932105
You know on the one hand I despise his stubbornness but on the other I really admire his efforts to preserve and collate his father's work. I wonder if his children will continue the trend.

>>64927362
Healthcare reform and common sense gun laws

>>64932462
>sauron is a twinky elvish fuckboy
why are twinks always so psychotic?

>>64938788
How about sharing some of that knowledge then anon?

>>64932513
jesus christ, I know fucking shit about lord of the rings and even I know you're wrong fuccboi

Can somone very evil here explain why slavery and war is appealing to them? I dont get Sauron (or Sarumon) at all.

>>64935660

Gandalf mentions that Sauron with the ring will EVENTUALLY destroy Bombadil. But Sauron would have to move mountains, raise volcanos.

>>64942288
>tfw Sauron will never hug you, comfort me and let me be a general of one of his army to cheer me up

>>64931693
Christopher Tolkien is mad. Didn't he disown his own family member for something related to the movies?

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>>64931693
>implying Jackson hasn't already got the rights in all but writing
>implying he isn't biding his time

>>64942351
>EVENTUALLY
This is the point. EVENTUALLY. If Bombadil turns on him with all his wrath he will destroy Sauron with or without ring. But Bombadil would not because he is autist so his private paradise could be eventually destroyed one little piece by one over the years.