>“Black art, it’s so complicated. Because there is no white art,” Coogler said. “Because, whether people want to admit it or not, you know, in this country, in this culture, white is seen as the norm. Because there’s no need to identify it as anything, it’s looked at as standard. Which, if you compare and contrast that, there’s an inherent unfairness to it.”
I saw Creed because of Rocky.
I'm not going to watch Creed 2 where Creed learns how to read and eventually defeats his white arch-nemesis.
I don't give a fuck about nignogs. Gimme the Italian Stallion.
No, he says there's no "white" art, because it's just seen as art.
He's saying black art is complicated because it's always viewed through the lens of race, which art by white people are not.
>it's a standard, that makes it not art
people who say shit like this and then complain about 'institutionalized racism' are hypocritical bigoted shitheads and deserve no recognition and no attention for that matter.
It's depressing that statements like this are talking points because they're nothing more than sweepingly dismissive and racist bullshit. This man should not be rewarded with one shred of anybody's time for this crap and I hope his career shrivels and dies.
He's not saying art made by white people doesn't exist, he's saying that because of the huge influence art made by white people has on America, that it doesn't need the classification "white" unlike black art because it is seen as the standard art of America
he's only 29 and already directed a film as big as creed, but knows so little about the outside word. all this talk about "white" whatever is so hopelessly amerocentric. there's no such thing as black art either. african-american art is different from ethiopian and trinidadian and so on. dividing up art according to the skin color of its creators is racist.
>He deserved nom for Creed
Did he? I don't know - it's a fun movie, but it's not mind-blowing. Still has all the hokey lines, rapid cutscene training sequences, etc, etc. The reason Stallone sticks out is twofold - nostalgia, and Stallone knowing his character extremely well.
They're shitting the bed and i'm loving it.
They will kill the diversity trend they started with their own racism. Delicious.
I don't think that's what he means.
He means that, if there are more than one black person in a film, then it becomes "a black film". Or if it's a play with majority blacks, it's a "black production". If it's a play with a majority whites or a film, then it's just a normal film
Or maybe he really is a fucking retard. Who knows
No it's not - art sellers will happily call something black art because it differentiates it and excites the wealthy art buyer who wants something he can convince himself is edgy.
Well maybe if they'd stop putting strictly blacks in their movies (unlike whites who always put blacks in their films) then there wouldnt be a problem?
"white art" isnt the fucking norm. This isnt 1960. There's tons of different ethnicities in all kinds of Hollywood movies. You people are retarded
>killing a perceived trend of racism with actual racism
>Still reeling from fact that Sly didn't acknowledge them in his Golden Globes acceptance speech.
Why are these threads made when every person on the board has the same opinions and everyone who disagrees is either tolling or gets memed to death?
Isn't this board for film and television discussion?
When a white person makes a movie, no one calls it "white art." It's just art. No one's saying there aren't minorities in Hollywood, but that's exactly what they are - minorities. If you don't think that Hollywood is overwhelmingly white, then you're just ignoring reality.
This is film discussion. Sorry if you don't like it but that guy is a director of a film and he said that, like it or not. You can't ignore the fact that people like this exist.
Talk about Creed then if you're butthurt.
>Because, whether people want to admit it or not, you know, in this country, in this culture, white is seen as the norm
yep and that's exactly what you'd expect living in a white majority country
in japan, being japanese is the norm, in saudi being arab is the norm, in nigeria being black is the norm
this dumbass doesnt realize he is promoting segregation then. american blacks are by far the stupidest people on planet earth. no wonder africans and jamaicans hate these niggers.
How is this "black art"
It's indistinguishable from any other random modern art crap
No hes not. Fuck off. No one ever fucking says "white art", and that's their problem if they think there's not enough "black art". Go fucking make more art then you nigger. Stop blaming whitey for everything and just do it
What these people don't seem to get is that Hollywood works by the bottom line, not by muh feels.
They think that they actually give a shit about diversity, when in reality they're just trying to squeeze some extra cash out of demographics they otherwise wouldn't be able to reach.
It's going to be hilarious when the bubble bursts and they stop getting charity roles/jobs.
wow the race of the person that painted this totally changes everything
so deep so racial
I guess you can't handle the truth? Blacks are obviously able to be racist no problem.. It's an obvious double standard
Besides you're racist right now you fucking hypocrite nigger piece of shit
It's still garbage. The idiots buying them have too much money and no fucking sense.
Black art is garbage. It took Picasso to interpret it and make it noticeable.
All black artist are hack garbage untalented and prey on the guilt of whites and the hate rage of other blacks.
That's actually most African Americans.
Blacks from other countries are extremely talented and great artists.
Steve McQueen won an Oscar and is a black man. Did the black community praise Hollywood? Not the way they should have. No they complained how there was no diversity and the McQueen wasn't an American black.
But how does that not make it "white art"?
Just because it isn't as racially charged and caught up in getting across the fact that it was made by whites, it somehow isn't white?
Black culture is so caught up in maintaining a separate but equal status and asserting the "uniqueness" of black life that a lot of it comes out as meaningless observations. Its really sad that a lot of completely garbage norms are upheld because of how afraid blacks are to assimilate into the culture at large.
>complaining about everything being "always viewed through the lens of race"
Holy fucking shit the irony.
Maybe they need to stop making everything in the world, including art.
Wow, this guy keeps saying dumb shit
>I really feel like, you know — this is off the record — I feel like women are better filmmakers than men. I mean, it’s true, bro. In film school, life, whatever, they’re equipped to do this job, in many ways, better than us. They’re infinitely more complex than we are. Stronger and sharper. So, you know, we’re going to get better movies [if we have more female filmmakers]. The industry would improve. That’s the best thing I could say about that. They’ve got to be given the opportunity.
They're trying to profit off of a current trend.
Totally expected, nothing new.
The proverbial shitting of the bed after seemingly getting what the want is the part that gives me a belly laugh. Their ethos is bullshit and it's beginning to show.
Again, that's his point - there's no white art because white is normal. Black art is only called black art because of the colour of the artist's skin - there's nothing about the art that automatically makes it black or african-american.
who calls it "black art"? Critics? audiences? I haven't even heard that term before now.
Was Creed supposed to be "black art"? I thought it was another Rocky movie but with Apollo Creed's son instead of Rocky's son.
this. i generally believe iq differences and lower test scores etc are the result of blacks having shitty family lives and not having 2 parents and being criminals. but there is a lot of evidence to the contrary and that theyre actually just a lower form of homo sapien. but the fact that liberals cannot even consider the facts or debate them without literally screaming like a child shows theyre just uneducated and are scared of the potential truths.
>Say women are better at something than men.
>"Whoooo, somebody gets it! Everybody listen to this man!"
>Say men are better at something than women.
>"RRRRRRRRRGH LYNCH THE SEXIST!!! THIS IS WORSE THAN GAMERGATE!!!"
Good thing Feminism is about equality, right guys?
Uh no.. Its because white people get attacked for being racist. They are the only ones who do too. Any other race literally can be racist all they want. Whites "aren't allowed".
Plus you're fucking wrong and talking out of your ass. Blacks are the only ones who talk about race and fucking beat a dead horse with it
No one is oppressing blacks you fucking idiot. There are so many blacks out there who are more successful than whites. The poor ones just choose not to better themselves. Stop being an asskisser
I agree. The tone of the quote is descriptive of the exoticism that white guilt fetishists have in classifying art, but not normative in abolishing a notion of european or white art.
because liberals are creating more segregation by awarding things to minorities just for being not white
If they want black art to just be considered art then they need to stop complaining about their black culture.
>Alexandre Dumas was black meme
>one of your four grandparents being black makes you black
Cops? They get their shit rocked pretty regularly, and don't really rise above their situation. Thats the point, poor people are opressed and it has less to do with race.
>no gives a shit about poor people
>blacks are oppressed
>the president is black
Black people receive more money in welfare than any other ethnic group. They have outreach programs funded by those evil white men, and scholarships literally thrown at them if they are even average in school. They are the most uplifted ethnic minority in modern times, yet are the first to scream "racism" and "muh oppression yo".
This guy has no clue what he's talking about. There is no such thing as "white" art or "black" art. There is just art. There is English art, French art, German art, Japanese art, Nigerian art, Brazilian art, Tunisian art. I've never heard what "white" art is.
This guy only shows his ignorance and racist thinking speaking and believing in this.
He's basically correct. His point boils down to the same logic as: If you had to point out a black person in the street, you'd say "that black guy", whereas if you had to point out a white person you would say "that guy".
I'm not going to read that article so I have no idea if he thinks this is a big problem, but of course it isn't.
God damn you idiot. I actually liked your movie, why do you have to give in and say dumb nigger shit like this? Fuck this world.
>Made the 7th sequel to a boxing movie franchise
>Thinks white art doesn't exist
No such thing. It can only be uniquely an individuals style. You can't lump art into categories based on race.
"Black" art is American art, and whoever the individual is.
African art is substantially different from anything african americans create.
>If you had to point out a black person in the street, you'd say "that black guy", whereas if you had to point out a white person you would say "that guy".
But what if you're black? The black guy would be called a "guy", and the white guy would be called "that white guy"
This. But the only way that will happen is if enough people call them racists. We need to own the racism card. Right now they have it by claiming that you "can't be racist against white people."
There is no white art. There is no white culture.
I could draw a stick figure and everyone in the world black white or hispanic would think the stick figure is white. That's what he means by standard.
And it's the best thing to be.
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>dey called joints yo
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Because black art is mud cookies and mosquito hamburgers, which they also eat.
There is no grand "white unity" labeling/grouping because white americans know what country they are from.
Black americans either dont know what country in africa they came from (because their ancestors came to america as slaves), or dont care about the country they came from because its some african shithole that has never done anything of note. Thats why they lable all the stuff black people produce as black stuff instead of labeling it as a geographical location's stuff.
to address the topic of the thread 'white' art does exist, and he is pretty full of himself for being a guy who is standing on the shoulders of white artists.
>tyler perry tier faggotry
i don't get the hate for tyler perry, at least he tries to make media for black people and employ black actors with little to no whining for more crap from whites
Its true that white art doesn't exist, nor does asian art or arab art
Black art exists because niggers need to be fucking glorified whenever they actually managed to make something by themselves
Black art isn't a thing either, except to uneducated African descended US citizens.
There are subsets of art in which people of African descent participate. There ate subsets of African art, and other subsets of American art, within that African American art.
I dunno what the fuck this black art is this fucking idiot is talking about.
THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS "WHITE ART", AND "BLACK ART"; ART IS A PRODUCT OF CONSCIOUSNESS, PARTICULARLY OF AFFECT —SENTIMENT, AND INTUITION—; IT IS NOT DETERMINED, NOR INFORMED, BY SPURIOUS SOCIOETHNIC PARAMETERS, AND ATTEMPTING TO DO SO IS A FUTILE, PERVERSE, AND DETRIMENTAL, ACTION.
ALSO, THAT PERSON LACKS THE SELFAWARENESS, AND THE SELFCONSCIOUSNESS, NECESSARY TO REALIZE THAT HE IS IN IGNORANCE, AND THAT HE IS BEING DECEIVED BY YET ANOTHER EXTREME ASPECT OF THE RACIST/ETHNOCENTRIC CONSTRUCT —HE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE "EVIL", JUST CORRUPTED; NOT A MONSTER, BUT AN ABOMINATION —THE ACTUAL MONSTERS ARE THE ONES WHO DEVICE, AND IMPLANT INTO SOCIOCULTURE, NOTIONS SUCH AS "BLACK ART".
skin color is only pointed out if it is the exception
>room full of black people
>room full of white people
>one white guy in a room full of black people
"that white guy"
>one black guy in a room full of white people
"if I say "that black guy" they'll think I'm racist"
I AM REFERRING TO ART ITSELF, NOT TO ANY PARTICULAR FORM OF SOCIOEPISTEMOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION OF ART.
TO CLAIM THAT ART ARISES FROM EXTERNAL NONESSENTIAL CONDITIONS IS AN ATTEMPT TO PERVERT TRUTH.
Not him, but of course there will be outliers. The idea is that blacks in general are less intelligent than whites. You will still get black geniuses and white idiots. It's just a matter of averages.
Hes right. "White" art doesn't exist. "Black" art is just a social construct to push a product. On the other hand, there are such things as cultural artworks whose relevance is entirely based on the cultural norms they belong to or reference.
>But what if you're black? The black guy would be called a "guy", and the white guy would be called "that white guy"
Nah, it's "That Nigga" or "That white guy." Black people don't have the luxury of ignoring race, even when they look at themselves, because they're not the majority.
I don't see anything in his quote about what is better, white or black.
He's just saying everything made by blacks is see as "black film" "black tv show" "black music", etc.
With whites its not like that. It just is. I never listen to rock music and say "oh this is white music". I never watch Leo Dicaprio movie and say "Oh this is white film". It just is.
>white is seen as the norm.
Awesome. This nigger just admitted that the United States of America is a WHITE COUNTRY with WHITE CULTURE.
Thank you. Now get your nigger ass back to Africa, Toby.
>white is seen as the norm
That depends on where you live. Presumably he lives in a country that has been built and governed by mostly white men, and feels he is owed something.
Well don't we all? I'm working a minimum wage job for only sixteen hours a week, with aspirations of finding myself in a situation in which all I have to worry about are reviews of my latest fucking FILM.
He literally has more privileges than I do, yet I'm being punished every time anyone says that white men are evil.
Why? And why is it always black people in the media with actual careers, money and options who scream "racism" at every turn? I don't get it. I've done nothing to either them or their ancestors. So why?
he's talking about white privilege; i.e., fish being fish. it's impossible to understand his argument if you are white, unless you move to a black neighborhood, rich or poor. not that any of you would or should.
it's an experiential thing that's impossible to describe. there are no words for the black experience, hence why there's so much entertainment; black culture is essentially american culture. everything black people do creatively white people eventually imitate and act as if they do it better.
He's just saying that black art is ghettoized and viewed as a niche in our culture, not that the very concept of Western art doesn't exist. The problem I have with this is that it's starting to be a self-imposed ghettoization. What happens when white people try to break into black culture now? He'd call it appropriation.