>>64920337 Way less money being put into it. Clone Wars has Lucas putting his own money into it and a much better budget on a major network. Rebels has nothing and is aired on some trash network no one has ever seen.
>>64926477 both are pretty good. 2003 was good because it used the Samurai Jack style of animation, which fit Star wars perfectly. The 3D one is good too, it works and makes the prequels much more enjoyable. Good filler, just wish it was given to people with a bit more ambition. You could really do a lot of good things with a star wars series, fill it plot holes, create new interesting lore, etc. But a lot of the episodes are just boring. But I enjoy episodes like the one where they fake Obi Wans death, and you can see Anakin turning more towards the dark side, and how he's slowly turning away from the Jedi Order.
>>64926477 The cartoon? It was embarrassing. Animation was choppy and basically tweens everywhere. An episode would consist of the same battle droid animation about 20 times and the same explosion effect for every other droid. Plus, the cgi series actually had a plot.
>>64926669 clone wars cg is literally for children under 6 years old. Trying to give clones personalities and passing off their undying loyalty to the chancellor as some faggy ass chip in their brains was worse than that fucking ezra kid in the new show.
Everyone in this thread should read through all these descriptions. They are all given by the main guy behind Rebels, which also answers >>64930514's post.
In short, Filoni doesn't want to solve any TFA mysteries in his show, so in return he doesn't want movies he isn't part of to resolve the story of his characters. Ahsoka won't die outside of Rebels, or something else Filoni works on.
>>64930589 It was only released as a physical copy. No one wants to buy one ($40 or so a book) just to break it apart to scan. Plus, the pages are fuckhuge, and most scanners probably wouldn't even work with it.
>>64930667 This isn't going to be like Legends where one author kills off a major character created by another person, without getting consent. (Mara Jade) Ahsoka can show up in whatever Disney forces on it's employees, but it won't resolve anything important. She was already mentioned in Aftermath, when Wedge mentioned he was recruited into the Rebellion by a mysterious person named Fulcrum (Ahsoka's code name prior to Rebels S1 finale).
>>64930767 Again. Its Disney. Do you really think the kikes that run the house of mouse give a shit about "consent"? No, the bottom line is what matters to them. Money. And what better way to get those big bucks than to have Ahsoka have a hard battle with her old master to distract him from the rebels stealing the death star plans?
Im telling you, I predict Rogue One will be her end. And personally, id love it. She gets real screen time and goes out with a bang instead of just wandering off to never be seen or heard from again.
>>64929042I think Rebels is more like OT star wars than anything. Most of the stuff in Rebels uses old concept and look of Ralph McQuarrie's art concept.
Lothel is based on old concept of Alderaan. One of the alien crime lord is based on old concept of Jabba. That white spider creature in that new trailer is based on the design for one of the dagobah creatures.
>>64934144 What if Kylo's lightsaber originally only had the one normal blade, with the shitty crystal? What if Snoke realized that would end up killing Kylo because of the instability, and told him about the ancient design with the quillons(?) or whatever, to prevent that from happening?
>>64935560 How is it a retcon, anon? There is nothing in canon saying that Kylo's shitty cobbled together lightsaber is the only one to have ever existed. He had to get the idea for the side emitters from something, otherwise his shitty red crystal would end up killing him when used.
where is a good place to get the torrents for the first season? only ones i could find were on reddit which had a link for each episode, but i could only get the first few and the rest were all dead links on Mega
>>64935658 Explain to us how its all retcon, and don't focus in on there being "Jedi" other than Luke and Leia after ROTS. You do know that there is an entire galaxy worth of lore that happened outside of the few planets and situations we saw in the OT, right?
>>64935792 >Yoda mentors some Arabian street urchin >plenty more Sith than Vader and Emperor And just the fact that none of this shit that they make out to be so important to the overall story could ever be referenced in movies that came out 35 years ago
>>64935798 Canon doesn't force them to be quality products, unfortunately (see: Star Wars: Aftermath and EA's Battlefront)
TCW is pretty good, some drab episodes here and there which is to be expected. Quality picks up past the third season. Rebels is engineered more towards children and it shows. It hasn't gotten nearly as serious as TCW got on the regular, but some episodes brush near it.
>>64935846 Yep. She's still officially with the Empire, because she and Bail are still in the Senate. Their secret rebel-supporting life is still not quite as serious as it was up to ANH.
>>64935860 Yoda is just giving Ezra a life lesson for the first time in the force. For all we know it's the only time he ever talks to him. The Inquisitors aren't Sith. I bet you are one of "those" people that think red lightsabers and dark side instantly means Sith. They are trained by Vader, yes, but they are only trained in sub-par combat and force use. They are not getting any of the actual knowledge that it takes to become a Sith.
>>64935694 Everything about it pointless and done for the sake of looking "cool." There's no reason for him to dual wield like that, it's clear the creator just wants something """BADASS""" for 12 year olds such as yourself to wet themselves over.
>>64935802 Yes. The Star Wars films, especially the prequels, are not simple brainless flicks. They are meant to be studied to fully appreciate them.
>>64935946 They released a new season just for Netflix, but it is a bit separated from the rest of the series. Its pretty great though. There is also the unreleased season floating around the web, but it isn't the greatest quality.
>>64935946 The way TCW worked was every four episodes was a new arc that was self-contained within itself, or referenced in another arc in a later season. The show did get cancelled because of the Disney buy out, and them not wanting the show on CN and not their own Disney channels. There were some un-produced episodes that were put online, two related arcs that would have been episodes were turned into a book, and another arc was turned into a comic. Everything else that was planned for the show was just put on canon back burner until further notice (plot lines of the show reaching and going past ROTS, Order 66 stuff, etc).
>>64935798 I jumped into Rebels just fine. You could catch up to all of Clone Wars, but they mostly explain what happened in that show in Rebels. You can just catch Rebels eps then watch Clone Wars later
>>64936216 i say no because their stories were closed up. rebels is like, the epilogue. oh this is what ahsoka is doing, this is what these dumb ass clones are doing. and now, this is what maul is doing
>>64936616 Well, that planet is absolutely Malachor V, especially since that's where Kylo's lightsaber is from and here we see Ezra with a similar bade.
Then there's Rakata Prime on the Force Awakens Galaxy map and Taris in Aftermath.
Disney hasn't yet budged into ancient old Republic stories yet and I wouldn't be surprised if a KOTOR adaptation or remake was their first canon foray into those stories. Especially since Kotor has so much fan fare.
>>64936707 I doubt it. The thought of a bunch of people running around with dumb "venting" lightsabers in some barley even connected to the game do what we please telling of the jedi civil war isn't something I want to see. Even if they do say a prequel about the start of the war up until Revan gets brain damaged they'll find a way to shit all over the originals. No thanks.
>>64936748 i cant fucking wait. this is EXACTLY what i wanted. an emotional, tearful fight. i want her to die, but someone suggested she survive to die in rogue one, which would be pretty neat. but sending the closest person to anakin to be a spy right under his nose? would never happen, unless shes backup if shit goes south
>>64937039 There are alot of onscreen deaths in TCW I liked the one where The Mandalorian Deathwatch was gonna kill an entire village and then Ashoka just straigh up runs a few of them in with her sabers.
>>64937151 Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra are not true Jedi, because they either left the order, were only a padawan in it, or were never part of it to begin with. Blue lightsabers =/= Jedi.
The Inquisitors are not Sith. They are only trained to do the grunt work for Vader, who doesn't feel like tracking down the 1-2% of Jedi that survived the Purge. When he does hunt down Jedi, it's only for those that the Inquisitors are too weak to defeat. They are not taught anything that you need to learn to become a Sith. Again, red lightsaber =/= Sith.
>>64936707 KOTOR would be perfect especially considering it's so far away from any of the 7 movies that it can't affect them beyond some things like relics and the like, unless of course Disney chooses to do.
Dave Filoni has explained that in the new canon, kyber crystals are initially colorless and acquire their color during the construction process when the lightsaber's owner attunes themselves to the crystal.
The color varies but dark siders will pretty much always end up with a red saber.
>>64937416 or, he couldve just tried making one, and he fucked it up. or he found an old one. either way its cracked the design of that old lightsaber helped keep the beam stable. but no, i guess making them all colorless even though they canonically are not is the better choice
>>64937244 Remember only Master and Apprentice are Sith. You have to have great understanding and knowledge of Sith Arts and a designated apprentice to pass that knowledge on to, to be considered "Sith". Everyone else is just "dark jedi" or dark force user.
>>64936587 >what disney gets to do with the license
THEY OWN THE FUCKING LICENSE.
They bought it from lucas. All rights, everything. 4 BILLION DOLLARYDOOS. Anyone creating anything under the name STAR WARS right now is THEIR BITCH. If some author writes a book based in the STAR WARS UNIVERSE right now, disney can fully tell them to fuck off and not release it, or they face their lawyers.
Jesus christ, believe me, I hate it too that they have full control, but too bad. Thats the way it is. If Disney wanted to take Ahsoka and make a hentai starring her, they damn well are within their legal rights to do it. They own the character. They own ALL of it.
What exactly are you talking about? I think what Vader was referring to is that his old self is totally gone. He's basically telling her what he told Luke in Jedi. "It's too late for me, you don't know the power of the dark side" etc.
>>64938367 If the fates swing right, hopefully pretty high.
It would make the most sense for her to have her final duel with Vader, sacrificing herself so whomever gets out with the death star plans has a chance. Anyone with half a brain cell KNOWS that a person without Jedi powers cannot face Vader in his prime. And since they have confirmed Vader will be in it, the pieces just fit perfectly. Its the right timeline, the right situation, and would rake in so much dosh that it would be a CRIME to not do it.
I just hope her final fight with vader is worth it on the emotional level. Please PLEASE dont end it with Vader holding her corpse screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Also hope they dont fuck the casting of her if this does come to pass. No "Gal Gadot as wonder woman" bullshit here.
>>64938544 theyre not that. they were supposed to the very first. the very first people to train in the force. except THEIR cult was staying in the balance. you could be happy, you could be upset, but dont do too much of either. and they HAD to stick to that because i think the planet they were on would react negatively to too much of any side
Yeah but something that always bothered me about Star Wars is why dark side users have to be evil. Especially in ROTJ, when Luke is about to kill Vader, I never understood what stopped him from hypothetically killing Vader and the Emperor and then declaring victory for the rebellion. Also they constantly talk about "bringing balance to the force" but they want to destroy the only major Dark Side users, the Sith. These guys actually want balance. On top of that give a cool origin story for the Jedi Order. Basically a race of insane dark side using aliens invade the Je'Daii planet and start trying to colonize them. They resist with both the light side and the dark side, but in the process they witness the sheer destructive force of the Dark Side. They defeat the invaders, and then there's a big split, with one side claiming that the dark side is too destructive and dangerous, and the other claiming that they need to use it to survive, lest he invaders return. They eventually fight a civil war over it, the Light Side users are victorious, and go on to form the Jedi Order, which explains why the Jedi are so dogmatic and intolerant of dissent or anything remotely related to the Dark Side.
>>64938615 Why blow the load right away? Also, they at least TRIED to keep Kylo being Ben a secret long enough.
For casting, I dont know. This is a case where they could cast a poo in loo or a middle easterner as her, put her in makeup and prosthetics and just have certain features show through (her lips, high cheekbones, etc.). Im not familiar enough with foreign actresses to make that call, and last time I mentioned it in one of these threads people were posting pics of Indians and MEs that I have never seen before. Either way, I just want her to be fit enough to look like she can fight and JUST exotic enough to have the looks, which is why I mentioned Gal Gadot. That bitch is a skeleton and does NOT deserve to wear the armguards and wield the lasso.
>>64938463 it sounds pretty personal in what they showed. cutting audio to make it imply that her leaving him fucked him hard. i wonder what the rest of his dialogue is
they both had trouble letting go anakin was given a padawan specifically so he could learn to let go ahsoka had a tough time NOT sticking to anakin like glue and aayla secura kept bitching that she had to learn to let go, because she knew how hard it was to care so much about your master not being able to let go is why anakin went to the dark side so that shit talk she hears should hit her pretty fucking hard. i wonder if theyll twist it and she'll turn bad for a little bit
I think the main issue is that no normies will know who she is. I would love for characters from either Clone Wars or Rebels (especially Rex) to make it into the movies, but nobody would know them so it's not likely.
>>64938725 Cuz it is literally the imperative of sentient beings to possess light and dark sides, but sith only use dark side and are evil and shit ans want to kill light side entirely. Luke and Yoda and Obi Wan and whoever all had dark sides but always balanced it
>>64938725 I think in the EU there was one sith lord who was literally just a jew banker. Like he got his training, mastered the dark side, and then just did sound investment banking and died peacefully. He didnt try to conquer the galaxy or end all life or any bullshit, he was just like "fuck it, ima get paid and die in a mansion." and thats what he did.
>>64938725 >Especially in ROTJ, when Luke is about to kill Vader, I never understood what stopped him from hypothetically killing Vader and the Emperor and then declaring victory for the rebellion. Some things in life are bad for the soul man, like killing, vengeance, over self-indulgence. Like those people who have gone to war and they tell you it does things to you. The premise of the shit if that they drown in those things, which eventually make someone evil, even if they think they're not.
The Jedi don't balance the Dark Side though, the are totally intolerant of anything remotely related to it. I see why the Sith throw things out of balance, but I don't see why the Jedi are any better. Although I guess that the idea is that the old Jedi Order really were kinda retarded. Their dogmatic and strict nature is part of what drove Anakin to the Dark Side and led to their fall. I think that Luke is supposed to represent a new era in Jedi history that will be far less dogmatic, similar to how he allowed marriage and procreation among Jedi in the EU.
>>64938815 You do realise they brought her back in rebels because little girls the world over loved her, right? She is almost a feminist role model for female mini-nerds in training (please dont get me wrong. im not saying "OH MAH GOD, SHE IS SJW!!!!!", im just saying she is a female character that little girls apparently relate to. Hell, im a 32 year old manchild and I can relate to her on a "sassy little sister I never had" level.). Imagine the wet dream that would become if they put her on the big screen.
Also I wouldnt be surprised if more people know who Ahsoka is than you may think.
I didn't watch TFA awakens. Is Kylo like the only space wizard in the universe aside from Luke and Rey? From what I heard he sucks at everything he does and is only powerful because he was the only known force user at the time. I mean, look at this dipshit's light saber.
Don't worry I love Ashoka and any decent female character (ie not Rey), and I would be ecstatic if they put her in a movie. I just don't know how popular the cartoons are outside of children and the more slightly more hardcore Star Wars fans.
That movie is wildly inconsistent with how powerful Kylo seen actually is. He stops a blaster bolt with his mind, and keeps it there effortlessly while walking around and doing other shit like he isn't even paying attention to it. He can also mind rape people, even if they aren't force sensitive it's still a higher level technique. He only sucks when it's convenient for the plot.
>>64939006 Yeah, I love her too. I thought at first she would just be that annoying kid trope, but she really grew on me, and it pains me to think she may just do the whole "well, theyre safe, so im just going to go into exile and never be seen, mentioned or heard from again."
I know they are going to kill her off at some point, and I think the most poignant thing would be for it to be by Vaders hand, and for it to really fuck him up. Almost like his last "your fate is now sealed" moment, last vestiges of his humanity erased (until he meets Luke years later, anyway).
>>64927706 >"The dark side flows through Kylo Ren, making him an almost unstoppable force on the field of battle. His reflexes and telekinetic defenses are immense--he is able to stop an incoming blaster bolt in midair and hold it in place for several seconds before releasing it. He is also a master of telepathic intrusion, using the ability to coerce or torment his prisoners into revealing secret information." >single handedly stops the return of the Jedi Order >Kills several jedi with a piece of shit lightsaber BRAVO JJ I LOVE YOU
>>64938932 >I see why the Sith throw things out of balance, but I don't see why the Jedi are any better theyre not. daddy grey side himself said too much light can and will unbalance the force and create chaos just the same as if there was too much dark. we consider the jedi to automatically be the good guys but they are crazy cultists who will ruin the galaxy with their bullshit. picture them being jews against the muslims. both are the same fucking religion but they hate each other anyway, except we only see the viewpoint of one of them, so we sympathize and demonize the other, but the side we're with is just as bad. the clone wars had a bunch of episodes with people explaning why the jedi were just as bad as the separatists. a lot of episodes really blurring the lines and making white and black look grey
>>64939200 I would actually lose my shit in the theatre if it is revealed that snoke is Jedi Master Alladin. I would straight stand up and start throwing shit around laughing like a maniac. That would make me so happy.
Christopher Lee poured all of his evil into that saber hilt, it is its own canon. I hope to add one to my collection, I just havent found a decent version of it yet thats under 2 or 3 thousand dollars.
>>64921874 This. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking. Both this shit and the Clone Wars series are all written like EU fanfiction. I'm glad Disney catapulted the EU into the sun, but this is just as bad.
The only saving grace of Rebels are Tarkin and Vader.
In context, Vader is trying to frighten the Rebels into fleeing Lothal in such a way that he can track them back to the Rebel fleet.
Their survival is part of the plan, and the plan actually works: the Empire tracks them down, and Vader blows up most of the fleet on his own in his TIE before the other ships catch up. Part of the fleet does escape, including the Ghost, but not after sustaining heavy losses.
Depends. The red ones that the Sith use are created artificially with some Dark Side mumbo jumbo. They are basically concentrated nuggets of dark power. The ones the Jedi use occurred naturally on the planet Ilum, which is a sacred place for the Jedi.
>>64939239 As Yoda said in the PT, the jedi had grown too arrogant, and it blinded them and allowed them to be manipulated.
The republic itself, genuinely was corrupt and ineffectual. That wasn't just Sheev.
However, the lesson you are meant to take away from it is not that democracy can't work, nor that the jedi themselves are wrong. It's about complacency in the face of evil.
And yes, the sith are evil. And yes, they unbalance the force. George was completely clear on this. The relationship between the jedi and the force is symbiotic, while the relationship between the sith and the force is parasitic.
>>64938725 >Yeah but something that always bothered me about Star Wars is why dark side users have to be evil. Have you even watched the movies? The dark side = corruption/cancer. The light side (which is mentioned by that term barely at all) = default state of the Force. It was never "two sides of the same coin" in the movies, just watch them for fucks sake.
>>64947360 Not him but it's actually more that The Force naturally has a Light and a Dark Side but the Sith are throwing things out of balance with their edgy evilness. The Mortis episodes in TCW established that The Force naturally has the light and dark. This is why the destruction of the Sith brings balance to The Force. It cuts the cancer out. The Jedi have a relationship with The Force, serving it and it serves them. The Sith manipulate The Dark Side completely for their own gain, throwing the whole thing out of whack. Balance does not mean no Dark Side. It means no Sith.
>>64920477 both teased with the power of the dark side durring the clone wars, often letting their emotions get the better of them. they probably didn't fuck but they sure as hell thought about it with each other. you can definitely sense the sexual tension in the series.
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