the dark knight is fucking trash too. one of the most nonsensical movies ever made that was created for normies who are too mature to like comic books. the entire premise of the dark knight series is fucking awful. >lets make a super realistic movie about a billionaire high tech ninja that single handedly punches crime in the face every night it's fucking stupid and filled with contradictions
keith ledger's joker was the worst part and is only hyped because the dumb pussy couldn't handle his drugs. while he did do an okay job, it was nothing special. DURR LOOK AT ME I'M A PSYCHOPATHIC CLOWN I'M SO FUCKING CRAZY AND EVIL HURR DURR LOOK HOW COLD AND SADISTIC I AM. nolan COMPLETELY fucking missed the point of the joker and turned him into some generic hannibal lector character. the reason the joker vs batman was always so good is that the joker appeared to be just a clown. the joker could make a balloon animal for a kid then kill his parents with the balloon animal because it's funny. batman on the other hand looked like the evil one and was often treated that way, but the reality is he was good. that's why the batman vs joker dynamic was good. fuck nolan and fuck you, redditor
That's right. Viewers who don't really know good cinema look to TDK as some deep, groundbreaking, thoughtful film. Why? Because it makes passing references to justice, terror? Wow. Go watch The Battle of Algiers, 12 Angry Men, etc. Simply referencing these themes in itself isnt doing them justice, isnt indicative of a good film. Nolan was ashamed to be making capeshit and it showed. He didnt transcend the genre, he delivered a plodding mess, which brings me to
No. What? The action was abysmal and so sloppily filmed it's appalling. Directors like George Miller, Gareth Evans, and even Snyder, Whedon, and the Russos do an exponentially better job.
I get it. Many /tv/ babbies came of age with this flick. It was one of the first "serious" films they saw and like Inception, they felt smart for following it, it has a special place in their heart. That doesnt make it a good film.
GotG, Ant-Man, while being easy green text targets here actually show passion for the material, world building, FUN, and competent direction.
>>64917993 >No. What? The action was abysmal and so sloppily filmed it's appalling. Directors like George Miller, Gareth Evans, and even Snyder, Whedon, and the Russos do an exponentially better job. Awful bait.
Insightful response. Sorry, anon. You can still like him, don't let me rain on your parade, but he's an awful action director. Batman, the world's premiere martial artist relied on widely telegraphed haymakers throughout the trilogy. The fights were a series of disorienting cuts. The chase scenes didnt make sense. That Bane's goons vs cops scene? Come on. There's so many more.
>>64919395 >Insightful response The moment you said "Snyder" is when you opinion went down the garbage. Also > Batman, the world's premiere martial artist relied on widely telegraphed haymakers throughout the trilogy Batman as a character traditionally relies on his various gadgets and shit than his physical attributes. I don't think it's fair to expect a super nimble while muscular Batman in live-action, that's really only possible in cartoons (which is why it seems like anytime Batman will use his grappling hook and stuff in BvS will be entirely CGI). I don't see anything wrong with the hand to hand combat in TDK either.
Snyder's a much better director of action than Nolan. Vastly so. Man of Steel, for its faults, had terrific action and fights, Watchmen and his other work as well.
>>64920273 >Batman as a character traditionally relies on his various gadgets and shit than his physical attributes
Not sure how much of a casual you are, but he's peak human, that's his thing. Not in Nolan's films, clearly, but he's a dedicated, obsessed martial artist, athlete and intellect. His body, nevermind the gadgets, is his greatest weapon. That's kind of his whole thing. Not flailing punches and hobbling around a mansion crying for eight years.
>>64920273 >I don't think it's fair to expect a super nimble while muscular Batman in live-action
I do, blatant excuse.
>>64920273 >I don't see anything wrong with the hand to hand combat in TDK either.
That's your problem, it was a joke. Again, haymakers, quick, disorienting cuts, and strange, illogical choices like mooks slipping and getting knocked out just 'cuz, a hail of automatic gunfire missing literally everyone, etc. The camera should step back and let actors and stuntmen do their thing with clarity. Like Winter Soldier, the Raids, Man of Steel, etc.
>>64914086 except he did that with the piece of glass from the mirror, the phone, the pencil. He beats up batman using dogs a net and a pipe. The Joker in that movie is absoliutely brilliantly written and executed if you are able to look as well at all the shit he does behind the scenes and what he ultimately accomplishes.
>>64920962 Not that anon. He was absolutely not brilliantly written. He was plot hole, the character. Ledgers inspired performance was the only redeeming thing about the flick. Not really as muh Joker, because he isn't. He is a more run of the mill le random psycho, but he gave it life just the same. He was better than the material.
1. No, Snyder is not a better director of action, especially since all of his fight scenes either use wire-fu or are entirely in CGI.
2. Batman is a strong as a plot allows him to be but he's not fucking Captain America. Reminder that's he the character that famously got his spine broken by Bane in the 90s. His martial arts expertise is only one part of his character, and those skills don't mean jack shit when he puts on a power suit to fight Darkseid, Mongul or other characters.
3. You're ignoring a good reason for why you don't see Batman doing acrobatics in live-action. It's why he's computer animated for some scenes in BvS and everything in live-action looks like the Nolan films. But being willingly dense is what /tv/ does for a living.
4. > Again, haymakers, quick, disorienting cuts, and strange, illogical choices like mooks slipping and getting knocked out just 'cuz, a hail of automatic gunfire missing literally everyone, etc. Yes, that's called an action scene. Are you saying the other directors you listed don't do action scenes? Complaining about henchmen being easily knocked out, such a stupid point to make. Maybe if your film is short on plot like The Raid then you can spent time having your main characters fight one guy for 5+ minutes, but typically other shit to get to in comic book films.
Ant-Man is actually my favorite capeshit becuase believe it or not I was actually an Ant-Man fan beforehand and I loved everything about it.
Also has the best costumes in any single capeshit movie ever. They managed to actually adapt the kirby designs while adding to them and respecting it unlike Batman Begins/Dark Knight which completely abandoned any designs and made it into some kind of realistic armor with a different color scheme.
>>64924224 Oh this fucking hack dipshit? Uses conventional rules for shooting dialogue to talk shit about the geography of the tunnel sequence. Only thing more offensive than how much he was reaching to make his point was how much time he spent doing it.
OMG THEY BROKE THE 180 RULE?!?! THEY GET AWAY WITH FUCKING WITH THE SPATIAL GEOGRAPHY?! THE VAN WAS GOING THIS WAY THEN IT WAS GOING THAT WAY?!?! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE THE VAN IS GOING!? WHY DID IT GO IN THE WATER LIKE THAT?
He completely, utterly and clearly eviscerates that sequence. Not just a couple mistakes, but one after another like a shit snowball rolling down a hill til it's a shit boulder. It's so poorly directed, it's a joke. He highlights this eloquently. But please, caps lock your disdain. It's a worthy defense.
>>64925007 He nitpicks "logic" in a sequence notable for it's aesthetic, compelling momentum. It's the most autistic nitpicky review ever. The sequence succeeds in spite of breaking the 180 rule and whether or not Dent reacted wrong.
It's a claustrophobic ambush sequence about a clown fucking with a dude in an armored car. Being logically and spatially 100% isn't really important, or something that is necessarily physically possible shooting on location in a tunnel.
The spatial geography of a Shining makes no goddamn sense either, is he gonna make a fucking 30 minute "evisceration" of that too? It's the kind of people that go full sperg about the "logic" in movies driven by aesthetics that ruin film criticism. It's cut to elicit a visceral understanding of the action, and as is made clear by the fact that it's so widely praised, a 20 minute "Autism Speaks" video about the "logic" doesn't fucking change that. In the context of the movie and the Joker character, action sequences are better served when they're chaotic. You know what movie had super "logical" spatial geography? Batman and Robin. Why don't you go suck that movie's dick.
No, it doesnt. At least not to a viewer with any sort of discerning taste or understanding of what they're seeing. Yes, directors like Kubrick can purposely break rules to add a sense of disorientation, this is not that. This is shoddy work.
>>64925940 >No, it doesnt. Yes, it does. See I can just negate things too. >At least not to a viewer with any sort of discerning taste or understanding of what they're seeing. Oh I'm sure your palete is soo refined. Your opinions are formed by vimeos made by autistic people. I understood what I was seeing. Seems kind of like this may be a personal problem for you and the guy who's opinion you're parroting. > Yes, directors like Kubrick can purposely break rules to add a sense of disorientation Is it a time thing? Fucked up set-design + time = genius? > this is not that. kek >This is shoddy work. Disagreed. BAM.
>>64926551 sure it did bud. Dude just accidentally killed himself like a fucking retard in the most inexplicable way possible. People were goddamn laughing in the theater when that happened.
OH but he had 2 personalities, he was torn between being the the cartoon villian that wants to kill spider-man and being the ambitious science guy that really liked Peter Parker. If only he hadn't accidentally fucked himself up in a vague science experiment. And if only he hadn't accidentally caused his own death so that Parker literally never has no make any tough decisions and is free from guilt. Wait, which movie are we talking about?
Spatial relations, physics, details matter. It speaks to care, vision, and talent, or lack thereof. Vehicles shouldnt disappear, change locations, directions etc. without any logical reason in-film. If that's autistic, i'm on the spectrum.
We're taking in circles. You like the movie, cool. I don't, whatever.
So very, very dull. The fight scene on the ice in Begins alone is more compelling. Never mind fight scenes from other films.
But then, I'm bias. I really liked Begins and Dark Knight, but Rises is one of my least favorite films. Ever.
I'm a man who can enjoy classics and shlock, taking the parts I like and spitting out the rest after the film is over. But I found Rises to be so painfully boring that it was almost painful to watch. At least the batnipples of old bought a chuckle. Rhaz and Ledger in the prior films were compelling. Batman actually showed up for more than five minutes, too. Rises is basically trying to tell the Knightfall story with more than half the cast missing.
>>64926863 > If that's autistic, i'm on the spectrum. The first step is acceptance. Good for you bud.
And I'm not saying continuity, spatial relations and "physics"(?) DON'T matter, just that they can be superseded if the sequence is viscerally, aesthetically, well crafted and understood. If you were actually confused by the spatial geography of a scene where VAN DRIVES THROUGH A TUNNEL because the camera broke the 180 rule, and sometimes VAN GOES RIGHT and sometimes VAN GOES LEFT because your perspective changed, you're not good at watching movies.
And expendable cop cars disappearing, contrary to what you might opine, don't fucking matter. If it comes down to sacrificing timing and pacing to make sure you put in reaction shots of every do-nothing car coming into and leaving the sequence of action, you'd have a boring fucking sequence. The scene doesn't need to "work" when some dipshit goes frame-by-frame, it's supposed to work as a compelling sequence of hurried events leading to a confrontation. The point is that the clown makes the backup go away until it's just us and him and a bunch of things go kablooey. That's pretty clearly conveyed.
Just about any contemporary chase sequence could easily be nitpicked like that one is. The fact that some autist bothered making a 20 minute video about it doesn't make the scene bad, much less does it say a fucking thing about "care, vision, and talent."
>We're taking in circles. You like the movie, cool. I don't, whatever. This has nothing do with "liking the movie." It's understanding what the fuck filmmaking and editing is and how it works.
>>64927790 I don't think the Bane fight is very good, but fucking hell. Man of Steel. Really?
>Look at all the shit we esplode. >Look at how they tag team him like it's a video game. >You see all that fire? >I like the part where they're clearly cg renderings. >I like the part about how Superman sucks dick at saving literally ANYBODY. >I like how the army man from the sex police pulls out a knife. He's brave.
>>64928083 Course brah. As of last year that movie doesn't exist. I'd argue Daredevil and JJ have more impressive fight choreography than the movies, because it's not all just cgi dudes flying around shooting lazers and shit.
it was like postmodern capeshit, rejecting the idea that capeshit has to be gritty and realistic, shoehorning in some shit romance plot (the romance is only lightly, jokingly referenced) and it focuses on the fun stuff which makes it entertaining
i don't want to spoil it but some of the action sequences were very original, and silly, simple fun
it unashamedly followed the hero's journey to a tee
it's different from all the capeshit because it KNOWS it's capeshit and doesn't try to hide it
it's like the manlet who doesn't stand on his tiptoes, with all the other examples of capeshit doing the equivalent of standing on boxes and wearing elevator shoes
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