Is this the only worthy capeshit?

Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a great capeshit too anon. I'm more drawn torwards DC, but I really liked it.

>>64908042
No.
the thing is there are many flaws that you dont catch the first time you see it.

>>64908042
Nope, GotG was easily the best capeshit movie, CA: TWS second

>>64908042
In DC everything is so massively planet destroyingly, universe alteringly powerful.

Batman is like the only DC cape that has his feet on the ground and is not shit.

>>64908042
This and the first two Spiderman movies are the only Superhero films that aren't god awful.

It's awful capeshit. He's the meme Bat for a reason
>but Muh Heath Ledger

The Incredibles was better.

>>64908042
It's got a really shitty batman though.

its the 4th best movie ever made

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>>64908042
>I call superhero movies "capeshit"

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>>64908042
WRONG ANSWER

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Find a flaw

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You serious?

>>64908042

Captain American and Batman are really the only ones that transitioned 100% intact, though GotG surprised me in that it wasn't completely mangled in the way the Fantastic 4 were.

>>64912032
not enough FRANK

>>64908042
The Burton Movies were much better.
Michael Keaton played Bruce Wayne's psychosis about his dead parents in a more convincing way as well.

Other Capeshit that beats TDK:
Dredd (2012)
Hellboy
Hellboy 2

>>64908042

Yes. But only because verything else is literally shit-tier.

ang lee's hulk was cool

>>64912202
>Dredd (2012)
>Hellboy
>Hellboy 2
this nigga

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Daredevil shits all over Nolan stomm

>>64912271
Gullyboy Del Taco will nevr male Hellboy 3 friend.
Why have we been forsaken?

>>64912329
*never *make
Fuck, I'm going to sleep.

I haven't seen the Captain America movie

is it good?

>>64912486
The first one is rather meh.
TWS Is actually a peetty good movie, especially for capeshit.

No, it also sucks.

>>64908042
I like the other two better than this one. Begins was a great movie, Rises was goofy fun, but this one was just Heath Ledger hamming it up in face paint.

>>64912032
>slipknot on the soundtrack
found one

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>>64908042
TDKR is good too

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No Judge Dredd Watchmen and The DarkKnight and some of the old batman movies are the best cape shit

>>64908042
That's not Blade or Blade 2

>>64912324
His new costume is ass.

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>>64909433
>GotG
it doesn't take that much for a thread to go full reddit anyways

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>>64911395
>I call action movies for all ages a "superhero genre"

>>64908042
No it's dull garbage, even on 1st viewing. Everything went completely downhill after the opening

>>64908042
lmao

the dark knight is fucking trash too. one of the most nonsensical movies ever made that was created for normies who are too mature to like comic books. the entire premise of the dark knight series is fucking awful.
>lets make a super realistic movie about a billionaire high tech ninja that single handedly punches crime in the face every night
it's fucking stupid and filled with contradictions

keith ledger's joker was the worst part and is only hyped because the dumb pussy couldn't handle his drugs. while he did do an okay job, it was nothing special. DURR LOOK AT ME I'M A PSYCHOPATHIC CLOWN I'M SO FUCKING CRAZY AND EVIL HURR DURR LOOK HOW COLD AND SADISTIC I AM. nolan COMPLETELY fucking missed the point of the joker and turned him into some generic hannibal lector character. the reason the joker vs batman was always so good is that the joker appeared to be just a clown. the joker could make a balloon animal for a kid then kill his parents with the balloon animal because it's funny. batman on the other hand looked like the evil one and was often treated that way, but the reality is he was good. that's why the batman vs joker dynamic was good. fuck nolan and fuck you, redditor

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>>64914086
He's going the distance!

Honestly yes

TDK elevated the genre and still hasn't been beaten

>>64914308
literally reddit

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>>64914086

>>64908042
That isn't Spider Man 2

TDK

V

SPIDERMAN 2

GO!

>>64909688

one of the reasons why TDKR lost its scope I feel like is because it got too "big" and the plot went out of control imo

Watchmen, best capeshit.

Any and all capeshit is trash, and a dead a giveway of someone's level of autism is whether or not they watch it.

>>64912202
>The Burton Movies were much better.
not really.

>>64908042
worthy of being labeled pleb bait?

No, it's awful. Besides Ledger's performance is a dour, self important mess. If you think it's deep, or somehow more substantial than other capeshit, you have a low cinematic IQ.

GoTG, Ant-Man, Watchmen, Man of Steel, Punisher War Zone, The Avengers flicks, and many other cape flicks are better.

Batman Begins is better.

>>64916072
Garbage taste, you're not even going to be TDK credit for it's practical stunts?

>>64908042
Yes

>>64916133

different, not better

I like it for its style, pretty groundbreaking for capeshit

>>64916437
And ill follow this up with:

Its the sole reason capeshit made a comeback. It revolutionalized hollywood in a terrible way. This is what heath killed his self

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>>64916072
>cinematic IQ.

>>64917496

That's right. Viewers who don't really know good cinema look to TDK as some deep, groundbreaking, thoughtful film. Why? Because it makes passing references to justice, terror? Wow. Go watch The Battle of Algiers, 12 Angry Men, etc. Simply referencing these themes in itself isnt doing them justice, isnt indicative of a good film. Nolan was ashamed to be making capeshit and it showed. He didnt transcend the genre, he delivered a plodding mess, which brings me to

>>64916410
>TDK credit for it's practical stunts?

No. What? The action was abysmal and so sloppily filmed it's appalling. Directors like George Miller, Gareth Evans, and even Snyder, Whedon, and the Russos do an exponentially better job.

I get it. Many /tv/ babbies came of age with this flick. It was one of the first "serious" films they saw and like Inception, they felt smart for following it, it has a special place in their heart. That doesnt make it a good film.

GotG, Ant-Man, while being easy green text targets here actually show passion for the material, world building, FUN, and competent direction.

>>64917993
>GotG, Ant-Man

kek

>>64909233
It's an overrated piece of shit that's jerk off material to /co/umblr

>>64917993
12 angry men was incredibly heavy-handed
>wow brown people aren't evil and we might be wrong and stuff
It was entertaining but it was a stupid movie.

>>64917993

>>/reddit/

>>64918124

Yeah, it's vastly overrated here. Decent fight choreography is about all it has going for it. Quips don't work, ticking time bomb 3rd act is the same old.

>>64918674
I enjoyed it for how relevant its themes were but the final act just devolved the movie into typical comic fare.

>>64917993
>No. What? The action was abysmal and so sloppily filmed it's appalling. Directors like George Miller, Gareth Evans, and even Snyder, Whedon, and the Russos do an exponentially better job.
Awful bait.

>>64919250

Insightful response. Sorry, anon. You can still like him, don't let me rain on your parade, but he's an awful action director. Batman, the world's premiere martial artist relied on widely telegraphed haymakers throughout the trilogy. The fights were a series of disorienting cuts. The chase scenes didnt make sense. That Bane's goons vs cops scene? Come on. There's so many more.

>>64919395

>>64919250
>Awful bait.

>>64911928
IT'S YOU WHO'S IN, GOBBY--
IN-SANE!

The first 2 Nolan Batmans, Guardians, first Iron Man, both Hellboys, and Dredd are worthy capeshits imo

>>64919250
The sole fag that defends Nolan's action scenes. Poor, poor little Redditor.

>>64908042

Batman (1989), Iron Man 1, The Incredible Hulk.

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>>64915159
>it got too "big"

for you

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>>64919970
BANE?

>>64919395
>Insightful response
The moment you said "Snyder" is when you opinion went down the garbage. Also
> Batman, the world's premiere martial artist relied on widely telegraphed haymakers throughout the trilogy
Batman as a character traditionally relies on his various gadgets and shit than his physical attributes. I don't think it's fair to expect a super nimble while muscular Batman in live-action, that's really only possible in cartoons (which is why it seems like anytime Batman will use his grappling hook and stuff in BvS will be entirely CGI). I don't see anything wrong with the hand to hand combat in TDK either.

>>64919838
>Reddit
Opinion discarded

>>64920273

Snyder's a much better director of action than Nolan. Vastly so. Man of Steel, for its faults, had terrific action and fights, Watchmen and his other work as well.

>>64920273
>Batman as a character traditionally relies on his various gadgets and shit than his physical attributes

Not sure how much of a casual you are, but he's peak human, that's his thing. Not in Nolan's films, clearly, but he's a dedicated, obsessed martial artist, athlete and intellect. His body, nevermind the gadgets, is his greatest weapon. That's kind of his whole thing. Not flailing punches and hobbling around a mansion crying for eight years.

>>64920273
>I don't think it's fair to expect a super nimble while muscular Batman in live-action

I do, blatant excuse.

>>64920273
>I don't see anything wrong with the hand to hand combat in TDK either.

That's your problem, it was a joke. Again, haymakers, quick, disorienting cuts, and strange, illogical choices like mooks slipping and getting knocked out just 'cuz, a hail of automatic gunfire missing literally everyone, etc. The camera should step back and let actors and stuntmen do their thing with clarity. Like Winter Soldier, the Raids, Man of Steel, etc.

>>64914086
except he did that with the piece of glass from the mirror, the phone, the pencil. He beats up batman using dogs a net and a pipe.
The Joker in that movie is absoliutely brilliantly written and executed if you are able to look as well at all the shit he does behind the scenes and what he ultimately accomplishes.

>>64920962
Not that anon. He was absolutely not brilliantly written. He was plot hole, the character. Ledgers inspired performance was the only redeeming thing about the flick. Not really as muh Joker, because he isn't. He is a more run of the mill le random psycho, but he gave it life just the same. He was better than the material.

>>64917993
I bet you liked Avengers too faggot.

>>64921092

Kill yourself

>>64912079

Why is this considered a fedoracore/boring movie?

When I first watched it I was interested start to finish.

>>64920721
>this style of replying
Jesus Christ.

1. No, Snyder is not a better director of action, especially since all of his fight scenes either use wire-fu or are entirely in CGI.

2. Batman is a strong as a plot allows him to be but he's not fucking Captain America. Reminder that's he the character that famously got his spine broken by Bane in the 90s. His martial arts expertise is only one part of his character, and those skills don't mean jack shit when he puts on a power suit to fight Darkseid, Mongul or other characters.

3. You're ignoring a good reason for why you don't see Batman doing acrobatics in live-action. It's why he's computer animated for some scenes in BvS and everything in live-action looks like the Nolan films. But being willingly dense is what /tv/ does for a living.

4.
> Again, haymakers, quick, disorienting cuts, and strange, illogical choices like mooks slipping and getting knocked out just 'cuz, a hail of automatic gunfire missing literally everyone, etc.
Yes, that's called an action scene. Are you saying the other directors you listed don't do action scenes?
Complaining about henchmen being easily knocked out, such a stupid point to make. Maybe if your film is short on plot like The Raid then you can spent time having your main characters fight one guy for 5+ minutes, but typically other shit to get to in comic book films.

>>64914086

There have been multiple characterisations of both Batman and The Joker you autist.

>>64909233
>Captain America: The Winter Soldier
It was fucking awful

>>64922488
People hate it because it badly adapted most of the comic series

ie. making a sociopathic loser like Rorschach who doesn't wash himself and is afraid of sex into a generic super badass. Or keeping Bubastis even though he serves no point without the "alien".

>>64922794
Plus the horrifying casting. Thanks, Sneyder.

>>64922572

>Again, haymakers, quick, disorienting cuts, and strange, illogical choices like mooks slipping and getting knocked out just 'cuz, a hail of automatic gunfire missing literally everyone, etc.

>Yes, that's called an action scene.

Nolanfags lmao

>>64912947
It had shit editing.

>>64922918
Take out chronicle. Same old capeshit plotting just no capes. Noble good guy hero. Popular cool jock. Sniveling abused villain. The handheld camera artifice was terrible.

>>64922918
Sup, Reddit?

>>64917993
While I consider 12 Angry Men to be one of the top-tier movies, I also liked TDK. You are a faggot.

>>64918189
>wow brown people aren't evil and we might be wrong and stuff

As if that was the point, you are a faggot and probably underage too.

>>64911928
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Ant-Man is actually my favorite capeshit becuase believe it or not I was actually an Ant-Man fan beforehand and I loved everything about it.

Also has the best costumes in any single capeshit movie ever. They managed to actually adapt the kirby designs while adding to them and respecting it unlike Batman Begins/Dark Knight which completely abandoned any designs and made it into some kind of realistic armor with a different color scheme.

>>64908042
Honestly I don't see Nolan's Trilogy as capeshit anymore because it really fails to adapt Batman.

I see them more as crime thrillers.

>>64917993
>FUN

Just turn off your brain, brah!

>>64923275
>NO FUN ALLOWED.exe

>>64923347

Not when a film is actually trying to say something.

>>64908042
Yes. Is the convoy scene the best action sequence of the 2000s?

>>64923213

I did not expect it to be as good as it was. Reed did a terrific job, Wright's loss.

>>64908042
That's not Man of Steel

>>64924085

That or Batman and Bane's fight. Shit was cash.

>>64924158
>Batman and Bane's fight

Garbage. The entire flick was.

>>64924085
>Is the convoy scene the best action sequence of the 2000s?

You tell me

https://vimeo.com/28792404

>>64922960
You didn't answer my question.

Typical /tv/

>>64913566
Maybe it'll get better in S2. He was way more badass wearing the black bandana thing. Some of the best fight scenes in any capeshit anywhere though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY

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>>64924212
You're garbage.

>>64924453
Fuck off reddit scum

Man of Steel > Spiderman 1&2>Watchmen > TDK

>>64924212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuetklFtDQ
Post a cape fight better than this.

>>64924224
Five minutes in and this picky autist is stifling. Think I'll pass desu.

>>64924113
>Wright's loss
Of being a soulless yesman? Yeah, I doubt it.

>who Marvel hired to write Thor 3
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5403126/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

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>>64924501
Nice meme faggot

>>64924583

Classic.

>Expecting competent visual logic in filmmaking

>autism

If you really think the convoy scene is the best action sequence of the decade, I'd really suggest you watch it. You just might learn something. I realize 20 mins is a long time to marathon something.

>>64924224
Oh this fucking hack dipshit? Uses conventional rules for shooting dialogue to talk shit about the geography of the tunnel sequence. Only thing more offensive than how much he was reaching to make his point was how much time he spent doing it.

OMG THEY BROKE THE 180 RULE?!?! THEY GET AWAY WITH FUCKING WITH THE SPATIAL GEOGRAPHY?! THE VAN WAS GOING THIS WAY THEN IT WAS GOING THAT WAY?!?! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE THE VAN IS GOING!? WHY DID IT GO IN THE WATER LIKE THAT?

>>64924884

He completely, utterly and clearly eviscerates that sequence. Not just a couple mistakes, but one after another like a shit snowball rolling down a hill til it's a shit boulder. It's so poorly directed, it's a joke. He highlights this eloquently. But please, caps lock your disdain. It's a worthy defense.

>>64925007
>>64924865

nobody care faggot kek

>>64925007

>20 minutes of autism

Yeah, no

>>64908042
TDK is not even in the upper tier of capeshit. It's garbage.

>>64908042
This and Watchmen

Nothing else, that's it

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>>64925007
He nitpicks "logic" in a sequence notable for it's aesthetic, compelling momentum. It's the most autistic nitpicky review ever. The sequence succeeds in spite of breaking the 180 rule and whether or not Dent reacted wrong.

It's a claustrophobic ambush sequence about a clown fucking with a dude in an armored car. Being logically and spatially 100% isn't really important, or something that is necessarily physically possible shooting on location in a tunnel.

The spatial geography of a Shining makes no goddamn sense either, is he gonna make a fucking 30 minute "evisceration" of that too? It's the kind of people that go full sperg about the "logic" in movies driven by aesthetics that ruin film criticism. It's cut to elicit a visceral understanding of the action, and as is made clear by the fact that it's so widely praised, a 20 minute "Autism Speaks" video about the "logic" doesn't fucking change that. In the context of the movie and the Joker character, action sequences are better served when they're chaotic. You know what movie had super "logical" spatial geography? Batman and Robin. Why don't you go suck that movie's dick.

>>64925170
What's better then? Let me judge you.

>>64925662
Well, my personal top 5 capeshits are Spider-Man 1 & 2, Watchmen, Batman Begins and X-Men 2.

I personally loved TDK

>>64925529
>The sequence succeeds

No, it doesnt. At least not to a viewer with any sort of discerning taste or understanding of what they're seeing. Yes, directors like Kubrick can purposely break rules to add a sense of disorientation, this is not that. This is shoddy work.

>>64925887
So did literally everyone else except autistic spergs like this faggot

>>64925940

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>>64925871
Eh. None of them are bad. Many of them aren't as good as TDK though. That' just a cold hard faq.

>>64926029
>Many of them aren't as good as TDK though
You're right. They're all far superior.

>>64925940

When a popular director does it: bad

When le 60s patrician director does it: good

k

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>>64926054
>You're right.
>They're all far superior.
>as good as
Confirmed for invalid.

>>64926054

agreed, easily

>>64912202
This guy gets it.

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>>64926054
>>64926274
Sooo much better

>>64926438
This scene had ten times more emotional weight than anything in TDK.

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>>64925940
>No, it doesnt.
Yes, it does. See I can just negate things too.
>At least not to a viewer with any sort of discerning taste or understanding of what they're seeing.
Oh I'm sure your palete is soo refined. Your opinions are formed by vimeos made by autistic people. I understood what I was seeing. Seems kind of like this may be a personal problem for you and the guy who's opinion you're parroting.
> Yes, directors like Kubrick can purposely break rules to add a sense of disorientation
Is it a time thing? Fucked up set-design + time = genius?
> this is not that.
kek
>This is shoddy work.
Disagreed. BAM.

>>64926438
Don't tell Harry.

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>>64926551
sure it did bud. Dude just accidentally killed himself like a fucking retard in the most inexplicable way possible. People were goddamn laughing in the theater when that happened.

OH but he had 2 personalities, he was torn between being the the cartoon villian that wants to kill spider-man and being the ambitious science guy that really liked Peter Parker. If only he hadn't accidentally fucked himself up in a vague science experiment. And if only he hadn't accidentally caused his own death so that Parker literally never has no make any tough decisions and is free from guilt. Wait, which movie are we talking about?

>>64908042
Yes.

No other hero movie will come close to this.

Its always funny to witnedd the hateboner /tv/ has towards Nolan.

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>>64926587

Spatial relations, physics, details matter. It speaks to care, vision, and talent, or lack thereof. Vehicles shouldnt disappear, change locations, directions etc. without any logical reason in-film. If that's autistic, i'm on the spectrum.

We're taking in circles. You like the movie, cool. I don't, whatever.

>>64926836
>Its always funny to witnedd the hateboner /tv/ has towards Nolan.

kek this

>>64926836
Nolan has made several good movies, but TDK is not one of them.

>>64924580

So very, very dull. The fight scene on the ice in Begins alone is more compelling. Never mind fight scenes from other films.

But then, I'm bias. I really liked Begins and Dark Knight, but Rises is one of my least favorite films. Ever.

I'm a man who can enjoy classics and shlock, taking the parts I like and spitting out the rest after the film is over. But I found Rises to be so painfully boring that it was almost painful to watch. At least the batnipples of old bought a chuckle. Rhaz and Ledger in the prior films were compelling. Batman actually showed up for more than five minutes, too. Rises is basically trying to tell the Knightfall story with more than half the cast missing.

>>64925529
Who is this beautiful person?

>>64924580

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhJMAaix0CA

Okily Dokily.

>>64926863
> If that's autistic, i'm on the spectrum.
The first step is acceptance. Good for you bud.

And I'm not saying continuity, spatial relations and "physics"(?) DON'T matter, just that they can be superseded if the sequence is viscerally, aesthetically, well crafted and understood. If you were actually confused by the spatial geography of a scene where VAN DRIVES THROUGH A TUNNEL because the camera broke the 180 rule, and sometimes VAN GOES RIGHT and sometimes VAN GOES LEFT because your perspective changed, you're not good at watching movies.

And expendable cop cars disappearing, contrary to what you might opine, don't fucking matter. If it comes down to sacrificing timing and pacing to make sure you put in reaction shots of every do-nothing car coming into and leaving the sequence of action, you'd have a boring fucking sequence. The scene doesn't need to "work" when some dipshit goes frame-by-frame, it's supposed to work as a compelling sequence of hurried events leading to a confrontation. The point is that the clown makes the backup go away until it's just us and him and a bunch of things go kablooey. That's pretty clearly conveyed.

Just about any contemporary chase sequence could easily be nitpicked like that one is. The fact that some autist bothered making a 20 minute video about it doesn't make the scene bad, much less does it say a fucking thing about "care, vision, and talent."

>We're taking in circles. You like the movie, cool. I don't, whatever.
This has nothing do with "liking the movie." It's understanding what the fuck filmmaking and editing is and how it works.

>>64927523
Evangeline Lilly brah

>>64924580
>Post a cape fight better than this.

https://youtu.be/xqlaXylsMwQ

https://youtu.be/HnAw3E_mLh8

https://youtu.be/B66feInucFY

https://youtu.be/AcPkbEYloYM

https://youtu.be/dKCnrgVGgYw

https://youtu.be/5KxmsLkUOdQ

https://youtu.be/zrUltTT8acg

https://youtu.be/89RrtlGUP_Y

https://youtu.be/jqIBGEcKhGs

https://youtu.be/pKen2B2cOkU

https://youtu.be/e4Hdubzs7kk

>>64927606
>It's understanding what the fuck filmmaking and editing is and how it works.

How amusingly ironic

>>64927790
>posts meme scenes

fuck off

>>64927790
I don't think the Bane fight is very good, but fucking hell. Man of Steel. Really?

>Look at all the shit we esplode.
>Look at how they tag team him like it's a video game.
>You see all that fire?
>I like the part where they're clearly cg renderings.
>I like the part about how Superman sucks dick at saving literally ANYBODY.
>I like how the army man from the sex police pulls out a knife. He's brave.

But Daredevil is definitely Top Shelf.

>>64927994
Im going to assume when we say daredevil is top shelf we are talking about the netflix show and not that godawful trash movie
.

>>64912639
BB>TDKR>TDK

The Joker is a one-note character in the movie no matter the performance. Way too many tonal shifts overall in the movie, at least TDKR played up its silliness and was more fun.

>>64928099
>BB>TDKR>TDK
Agreed.

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>>64927831
Do you work in production? What have you worked on? You got an LLC? How far of a trajectory of urine can you achieve? What's your dick weigh?

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>>64928202

Ahh here we go

>>64928083
Course brah. As of last year that movie doesn't exist. I'd argue Daredevil and JJ have more impressive fight choreography than the movies, because it's not all just cgi dudes flying around shooting lazers and shit.

>>64928326
>JJ

It's just tossing

>>64928326
>I'd argue Daredevil and JJ have more impressive fight choreography than the movies
Awful bait.

>>64930537

DD fight choreography is amazing

>>64930987

Yeah, no.

>>64908042
Spiderman 1 and 2

>>64914086
>...then kill his parents with the balloon animal because it's funny
I hope this is pasta.

>>64909233
After re watching it

Its a Jason borne muh gov conspiracy, it wuz the Nazis, movie with a silly costume and a black guy with chicken wings.

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>>64923213
came here to post ant-man too

it was great

it was like postmodern capeshit, rejecting the idea that capeshit has to be gritty and realistic, shoehorning in some shit romance plot (the romance is only lightly, jokingly referenced) and it focuses on the fun stuff which makes it entertaining

i don't want to spoil it but some of the action sequences were very original, and silly, simple fun

it unashamedly followed the hero's journey to a tee

it's different from all the capeshit because it KNOWS it's capeshit and doesn't try to hide it

it's like the manlet who doesn't stand on his tiptoes, with all the other examples of capeshit doing the equivalent of standing on boxes and wearing elevator shoes

>>64908042

Nope.

>Spider-Man 2
>Spider-Man
>Batman Returns
>Batman 1989
>Captain America: Winter Soldier
>Superman: The Movie
>X-Men 2

>>64932839
agreed

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>>64908042

It's not even the best Batman movie, let alone best capeshit.

>>64913641
>le reddit boogeyman