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So, will Star Wars make that final leap to beat Cameron?

I think it'll beat Titanic, but it seems unlikely to me it'll be able to beat Avatar.
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I hope so, James Cameron is a hack.
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>beat Cameron
Redditors actualy believe this.
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>>64907115
How long was Avatar in Cinemas?
How long do you guys think Starwars will be in Cinemas?
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it's impossible for it to get past titanic, still has slight chance at crossing 2 bilion though
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>>64907212
Not at all. It will beat Titanic, but that's it. It won't come close to Avatar for now. Maybe when TFA gets a re-release.
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>>64907115
Shocking to think a film so poorly made is 3rd highest grossing of all time.

Jar Jar could have made the film about an arse, but between the franchise and Boycott Star Wars, this film would've still made 3rd place.

Doesn't matter about the film, its quality, or the story. All that mattered here was $$$.

Financially TFA may be peers to Titantic, Avatar et al, but as a film it should be below 100 places behind Avatar, Titanic et al.
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>there are people that STILL think it can beat Titanic
>discussing box office when you have no idea how it works
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There's no way it's making 2 billion.
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If they don't beat Avatar with 7 they sure as hell won't beat it with 8 or 9.
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if the leads were white and male it would've annihilated avatar
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>>64907591

mfw this is probably true
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>>64907591
Nobody wants to see a black man and a white woman as stars in a blockbuster

No wonder it was 46% domestic
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>>64908071
>>64907652
>>64907591

>ITT: TFA flopped at the box office in the heads of tiny dicked faggots
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No chance at all to beat Titanic. 40% chance of passing 2 billion. I think Disney will fix the numbers to make reach 2 billion.
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>if you adjust for inflation it's still $1 billion away from beating ANH
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>>64908071
*nobody in Asia
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>>64907115
I bet TFA made like 5 billion in merch, movie is just a small bonus.
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>>64907184
Avatar was in theaters for 30 something weeks. And an Anon has told me SW will be in theaters until end of February. Cannot confirm that though.
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>>64907115

>Not 1B$ Worldwide

TOP FUCKING cuck KEKS
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>>64907115
WHO FUCKING CARES
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>>64907115
It won't do either
>>64907147
You are a hack
>>64907184
Movies are in cinemas for as long as it is profitable to keep them there
>>64907212
No it does not
>>64907591
TFA is literally the last time we see a cast like this in a big movie, nobody is going to try it after what happened in Asia.
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>>64907115
They can't beat titanic. No one can.
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>>64908197
>I bet TFA made like 5 billion in merch

Yes because it's obvious every 7 billions humans on this planet own a Star Wars : The Force Awakens toy.
Not just the kids, even the elders.

>5 billions in merch

faggots manchildren believe this
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>>64907115

When you add in toys, video games, bullshit, a fucking amusement park that'll be open forever, t-shirts for "nerdy" girls, costumes...this isn't even a real contest
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>>64908322
Good thing we are talking box office
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>>64907115
Doubtful it can beat Titanic with this current cinematic run from here, it's going to be released on DVD in April so won't be screening too much longer and interest would have well and truly waned. It might still cross $2b which is still fucking huge.
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I don't think it'll beat either. Have they counted China yet?
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>>64908322
also when you add the NASA budget, it's really a lot.
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>>64908308

LOL! Are you a RLM fan, too? It's so dense! Every single image has got so many things going on!
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>>64908320
It's definitely an inflated sum but he's right that it would make billions.

Simpsons made just under a billion in merch sales the year the Simpsons movie came out. Star Wars is a fucking merch beast compared to Simpsons. I don't think $3 - 4 billion is outside the realms of possibility.
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>>64908320
I believe (although I might be wrong) Gisnep have stated that they have made back their 4billion investment from merch, tie ins etc. before the film even released
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Toys Units Sold

Kenner (1978-1985) 90 Figures / 300 Million Sold 3,850,000,000
Hasbro (1995-2011) 15 Collections 5,537,000,000
Other Collectables 2,720,000,000
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>>64908509

Books
358 Published Titles / 76 Different Authors $1,820,000,000

Video Games
138 Games Released $3,400.000,000

Other Revenue Sources
Licensing $825,000,000
Television / 4 Seasons of Clone Wars $4,500,000
Merchandise $975,000,000
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>>64908509
Those figures are spanning decades but I'll still concede they are extremely impressive and give validity to the opinion these movies are ultimately toy commercials
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>>64907115
It will be in theaters for another month and a half, it could beat Titanic easily. But I don't think it will...not by much anyway. Probably a hundred million difference, but I'm really predicting it to reach only to 2B and stop there.
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They should probably make a separate ranking for non-Cameron movies, especially after he takes complete control of the top 10 with Avatar sequels.
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>>64908555

This is all since 77 but it's just the concept, Star Wars can't be looked at as box office numbers alone for profit. There'll never be an avatar amusement park, or hundreds of avatar games. It's just crazy how much SW is milked. The movie revenue is important but the franchise itself has probably made over 20 billiion if all factors were considered.
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>>64907591

Literally nobody complains about a young girl lead.

The problem is Boyega. He's the reason why it's doing bad outside USA.
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>>64908386
Avatar really gets ahead when you add the DoD budget in there though
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>>64908750
you don't know how sexist the chinks are familia
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>>64909035
There are many chink movies with female leads.
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>>64909063
which don't do as well as movies with male leads
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>>64908581
I love it. Theres so much established protocols and talk about sales of this and that, appearing to wider audiences, how to make a high-grossing movie and artificial manufacturing to get more money.

Then /jim/ comes out of nowhere and sets the record not once but twice though. And the coming Avatars will make more than 2billion worldwide each, so he will likely have all of the top 5 grossing films of all time.
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>>64907115
How the holy FUCK did Jurassic World become the 4th highest grossing movie of all time? It was the most amazingly moviest movie i have ever seen
>let's put some retarded kids in it!
>let's have a subplot about the kids parents getting divorced and then have one kid break down and cry about his (99% of the time off screen) parents!
>lets do velociraptors and big T-Rex vs big but slightly different T-Rex again! Who gives a fuck that these are both things already done before, lets cram BOTH in at the climax!
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>>64907589
You're right. Cameron is pretty much untouchable for the foreseeable future.
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>>64908111
Fuck off Starcuck.

It F L O P P E D
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>>64909134
>>64907395

the business model in Hollywood is to bet everything on visuals, because it is how the american entertainment industry trumps any other entertainment industry form other country.
and then people being hedonistic, visuals appeal to them. then you have no praxis other than leisure in any doctrine from the liberals/libertarians with, at best, the merge of entertainment with learning, giving thus ''learning while you have fun''; and it is about learning ''science'' or ''how good the human rights are''.

this leads to lack of creativity in every cinematographic field, and the drive of the industry only through technology for cameras and other computer effects.
the opinion of the public is thus ''sure the story is not original, the acting is bearable at best, but the visuals are great, so the film is good''.

mad men is a best illustration of this, where people love it because it is the first time that they see actors with ''tailored suits'' and a mediocre photography.
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>>64908219
>the new star wars will only be in theatres for two months

You can fuck right off that's such bulls hit. Every star wars movie had longer theatrical runs than that
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>>64909134
It was complete trash but so was the Avengers.
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>>64908322
But in terms of Box Office, for the movies themselves, Avatar crushed TFA.
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It'll get a re-release when VIII comes out and fuck Avatar right off the chart.
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>>64909134
Jurassic World is the exact same kind of film as TFA in both its marketing and execution.
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Avatar was simply released at the right time when 3D was still new, so basically everyone wanted to see it for it's 3D gimmick, which was pretty good.

Titanic was a movie for everyone and appealed to almost all age groups, it hit everyone hard emotionally including me the 7 year old retard.

Star Wars is a franchise, so it knows it demographic and fanbase, but beyond that it lacks a technical gimmick like Avatar nor does it have the emotional investment of Titanic.

Imagine if TFA was released in 2009 in 3D though..
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>>64907147
And JJ is not?
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>>64908581
>He unironically thinks people will care about avatar movies now that 3d in cinemas is the normal.
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>>64908171

muh inflation
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>>64909134

Inflation. And ticket prices raising even faster than inflation.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
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>>64909376

He is, but he had help from some non-hacks to make a decent movie. Cameron's a hack through and through. Have you forgotten how much he shilled the abortion that was Genisys?
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>>64908750
It's doing bad outside USA being Star Wars isn't a literal religion outside USA.
And because it's shit but Americans eat whatever the media feeds them.
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>>64909319
>Jurassic World is the exact same kind of film as TFA in both its marketing and execution.
Genuinely haven't seen TFA; is it actually good or shit? I can't see JJ making a bad film, at worst it was average with a few OK bits?
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I am constantly amazed that anyone think there is anywhere near the same interest in avatar 2. The first one was successful not because of characters or plot but the spectacle of the first wide release 3d movie.

8 years later, 3d is dead and the public doesn't care any more. Most people I've talked to, even the plebs, look back on avatar as a pretty weak movie with a contrived plot and bad characters.

Now they're going to make 3 avatar sequels. I can't see the first sequel grossing more that 1.2-1.5 billion tops. With each subsequent sequel pulling in proportionally less as franchise fatigue takes a toll on the public.

Cameron knows how to make a novel spectacle and doomed himself the second he signed on to do a 4 part franchise. This isn't the terminator. There are no beloved characters or iconic figures for him to draw a crowd with. I literally can't even remember the names of any of the avatar characters.
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>>64909441

Inflation between 1990 and today is almost 100%.
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>>64907147
How is he a hack? Even if Avatar got it's ranking outside of it's actual quality >>64909363 his early work is still really good.
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>>64909646

>muh early work

Lucas didn't used to be a hack either, but would you deny that he is now?
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>>64909599
>I can't see JJ making a bad film
Top kek.
Jurassic World is utter trash.
TFA is on the level.
You do the math.
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>>64909599

Don't let the /tv/ autists fool you. It's a good movie. Go and see it and make up your own mind.
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>>64908750
People outside of usa aren't usually that obsessed with star wars.
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>>64909363
>Imagine if TFA was released in 2009 in 3D though..
It still wouldn't come close to Avatar's special effects and 3D execution, nothing has come close and it's been 6 (six) years.
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>>64909618
You're going to be wrong. Avatar 2 will reach 2 billion easy.
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>>64909991
>being this delusional.
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>>64910058
Why do you think this, honestly?

None of the characters are novel or interesting and 3d is seen as a useless gimmick now, so where does the draw come from. The only way I could see this happening is if Cameron invents 4d or something and hand out blowjobs in the theaters.

It's absurd to think there's any brand loyalty to such a generic original movie.
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>>64910134
>so where does the draw come from.

120 fps.
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>>64910175
No one, and I mean no one actually cares about HFR. It's shitposted on here from time to time by some /v/ "pc is masterrace" faggots that no one without autism pays attention to.
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>>64910062
So, name one then (other than Planet of the Apes, which was pretty good).

>>64910134
It will make close to $1bn in China alone. Avatar grossed $200m in 2009, before the recent growth of the Chinese market. Also
>still doubting Cameron after you've been proven wrong countless times already

Also this >>64910175
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>>64910251
The Chinese market can't deliver 1bn alone. There aren't enough people with access to movie theaters for that. 80% of the Chinese population are still subsistence farmers
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>>64908320
I think you should reach for the rope, son.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-star-wars-force-awakens-revenue/
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>>64910315
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-grows-astonishing-851629

>The box office in China, the world's second-largest moviegoing market, grew an astonishing 48.7 percent in 2015, reaching a record $6.78 billion (44 billion yuan), the country's film regulator reported late Thursday.

>The expansion marked the highest rate of growth since 2011, according to the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television (SARFT). Only five years ago, the total annual box office in China was just $1.51 billion.

>By the end of 2017, China is expected to surpass North America — which reached a record $11 billion in box-office revenue in 2015 — as the largest movie market in the world.
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>>64907115
I doubt it, the overseas amount won't be grossing as high. The only way this would top either of Cameron's movies is if reddit decides to watch it another 5-6 times. In here its already dropped from the prime screen of the movie theater and shifted to auxiliary smaller screens.
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>>64909200
Nah, 2 months sounds pretty much accurate of what it will be here, overseas.
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>>64909599
Its a solid 2/5 JewJew movie. He literally cannot make good movies and all of his movies amount to glib facisimile. Its also an hour too long or so.
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>>64910134
James Cameron.

It's self fulfilling prophecy that his movies make obscene amounts of money and go right to the top of the record boards.

People will flock to see it because of Cameron.

They'll also see it because no one handles 3D like Jim and he's filming in the marianas trench for the movie.

It'll easily eclipse TFA's numbers. It's just a matter of beating his own existing record.
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>>64910569
Meh, It only has 400 million to get Titanic. It will do that. Remember, Titanic got to that number on two separate theatrical runs. TFA will pass it eventually. Even if it is a special edition re-release after Episode 9 comes out.
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>>64910832
There is no market for a Ep7 rerelease when Disney are releasing a Star Wars movie every year for the foreseeable future.

Ep7-9 is just Phase 1 of their rape train.
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>>64910744
Normies don't know who Cameron is. They don't even know that he directed both avatar and titanic.
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>>64909441
found the literal retard
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>>64910984
Yes they do. And they're going to reminded incessantly of who he is before Avatar 2 is released.

Just like how most normies don't give a fuck about Star Wars but most of them turned up for TFA's first week.
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>>64910984
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>>64907591
This is actually true. Went once because my wife dragged me to it but I hated it because Jew Jew Abrahams was shoving the BMWF in the audience's face. If poe had more screen time I'd have gone to it two or three times.
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>>64907652
>>64907591
>mfw Finn gets killed in episode VIII
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>>64910467
>yfw Avatar 2 & 3 appeal to literally every single chinaman and they both make 6-7 billion dollars
Based Cameron laughing all the way to the bank
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>>64908509
Do we have numbers for TFA toys sold? I want proof of Finn toys selling poor.
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>>64911050
>Just like how most normies don't give a fuck about Star Wars but most of them turned up for TFA's first week.

HA

You know that Star Wars was doing about 1.5-2 billion dollars a year in toys and videogame sales BEFORE the new movie hype shot it up to the stratosphere this year?

When adjusted for inflation, five Star Wars movies are in the top 20 of all time, with the original being second, behind only Gone With the Wind. It has sold an estimated 194 million tickets.

People love their Star Wars.
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>>64909599

It's a generic action flick. People aren't kidding when they say it is Marvel's Star Wars.

Lots of action, little acting, the camera moves around a lot, lots of one liners, etc.

That being said, it's fun for two hours.
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>>64908374
Why do we do that though? who cares?
Shouldn't the quality matter instead of how much money the studio makes?
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>>64908197
>>64908320

the last I heard, Disney has GROSSED just over 3 billion on merchandising and toys since "FORCE FRIDAY" in September.

So probably 5 billion for the entire year of 2015
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>>64911196

If they just make him and Poe a dynamic duo it'll be fine, I really liked their chemistry together and it sucked when they got separated.

>>64911239

Before the movie release they weren't selling, after TFA came out the sales picked up.

I'm from /toy/ they drone on about that shit daily.
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>>64911268
Avatar is still second when adjusted for inflation, A New Hope is 3rd.
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>>64911320
>Shouldn't the quality matter
Then why is TFA 3rd in the list of all time top grossing movies in the box office not adjusted for inflation? It should be in the trash where it belongs.
And we're talking movies, not all merchandise.
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>>64911117
>le anecdotal bullshit meme
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>>64911386
I was going by U.S. totals. Where Avatar is actually 14th.
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>>64910707
>glib facsimile
what is this meme
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>>64911443
>we're talking movies
No we're not. We are talking box office numbers which ia a stupid thing to talk about in the first place. If you want to talk about how much money a movie makes only talking about movie tickets is making you look retarded, which you obviously don't mind.
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>>64911320
This is a thread for box office numbers. Why are you having trouble understanding that?
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>>64911506
Could you shill Star Wars any harder?
How much is JJ or Disney paying you to suck their cocks?
Or do you do it for free?
>TFA is currently 3rd on un-adjusted box office gross
>nuh huh, it's made over 10 gorillion dorrars when you factor in the merchandise!
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>>64907147
Hello Reddit!
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>>64911495
>domestic

Top Kek
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>>64911651
Why you shilling shitty movies like avatar then? How much is jimmy paying you?
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>>64911690
>caring about anything other than the US
Muslim detected
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>>64907115
Too far, no way
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>>64911726
>Starfag on damage control detected
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>>64907115
It's impossible to beat Titanic now. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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>it's a "/tv/ makes predictions about the box office even though no-one on the board has the slightest idea how the box office works" thread

Yeah, it's gonna beat Titanic guys
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>>64909618
Your reasoning is just too simple and presumptuous. People don't need a super original plot or interesting characters to spend money on a movie. Posters here how claim to "be into movies" can barely even recognize good writing or characterization.

Also, distilling Avatar's success solely as a "3D gimmick," which has lost its novelty, is way too simple. It was an immersive experience and spectacle, and other films made since that time have failed to match it in that way. It doesn't matter that 3D is not as novel now.

So it's VERY possible for Avatar's sequels to challenge it for the highest all-time gross. Cameron's already made two films that grossed over $2B, so it's surely possible for him to do it again.
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>>64911695
When did I mention Avatar :^)
Are you really that deranged?
You shouldn't try to make yourself like a shitty movie if it affects your mental health, bro.
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>Back in 2010, Avatar became China's then-highest-grossing movie ever with a $204 million haul — but the country had far fewer movie screens at the time, when annual box office was just $1.47 billion. Relative to the full-year total, Avatar's China performance was almost unfathomably huge. For Force Awakens to take an equal share of China's full-year box office today — which grew 48.7 percent in 2015 and hit $6.78 billion — it would have to gross just shy of $1 billion over the coming weeks ($940.9 million to be exact).
>just shy of $1 billion
>just shy of $1 billion

>people STILL think Avatar 2 isn't going to make at least $600m in China
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>>64911866
This.
>already dropping in the States and outside it
>60% of Americans feel they were tricked to see TFA
>did shitty in China and everyone there hated it like the patricians they are
>still has around 400 million to catch up to Titanic
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>>64911959
>China's annual box office has grown 360% since 2010
Holy shit
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>>64911893
I never mentioned sw or disney either. I am not a mongoloid like you though, that's why I wasn't projecting my issues onto you like you just did right now.
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>>64911974
>60% of Americans feel they were tricked to see TFA

How do I make up statistics like this? Is it something you learn or do I just go with my gut?
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>>64912062
You have to be an avatard and have the IQ of a ferret.
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>>64911229

>JJ proceeds to spontaneously combust
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>Cameron is a better filmmaker because he knows how to pander to the chinese

When did /tv/ become so cucked? If you commies love China so much, go and live there.
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>>64912181
Cameron is a better filmmaker than JJ because he makes better films.
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>>64907184
Avatar was rereleased in Theaters a year later, probably why it profited so much.
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>>64911959
This.

China is Jim's ace in the hole.
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>>64912427
>1 billion opening weekend
HAAH WAAW
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>>64912386
Avatar only made 1% of it's gross in the rerelease.
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>The Force Awakens LITERALLY isn't going to make more than Terminator Genisys in China ($114m)

I wonder how many people will get fired over this at Disney.
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>>64912427
Fucking Kek.
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>>64907115
>Avatar & Titanic
New stories, no saga so that means no followers, no fans, with actors that are nobodies (DiCaprio wasnt that famous at the time of that film). No social media like now.
Both last 3 hours so it means it actually has less number of screenings
No toys, no books, no videogames, no marketing on every corner or store
The work of a man who knows how to tell a story and appeal to the masses.

>Star Wars
A fucking juggernaut by the hand of one of the biggest corporations with posters, ads, trailers, toys, games, shirts all over the world
A dedicated and loyal fan base that will pay for anything with the SW logo
Social media all over the place hyping the shit out of the movie
Nostalgia
Directed by a man that wants a paycheck and has no love for the story

The fact that SW is struggling to reach Titanic levels makes me wonder why hasnt Disney called Cameron to direct SW VIII and IX
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>>64907184
>How long was Avatar in Cinemas?

As long as it was making enough money per screen for theatres to justify keeping it over other movies

>How long do you guys think Starwars will be in Cinemas?

As long as it was making enough money per screen for theatres to justify keeping it over other movies
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>>64909631
I remember paying less than $8 to see Titanic.
I paid $15 for a ticket to see SW
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>>64912589
Avatar and Titanic had tons of marketing for them. And Social Media definitely existed in 2009.
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>>64909618
Yeah, the man who did Terminator 2 and Aliens has no idea how to pull a sequel.
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>>64912589
Also took both films over a year to reach those marks. It took Star Wars 3 weeks to pass 700 million domestic, it took Avatar 318 days, and two releases.

As for Titanic. it wasnt appealing to the masses. I was in high school when it came out. A lot of people didn't like it at all. BUT there were a lot of people that loved it. I knew multiple women that went and watched it in the theaters a lot. One woman I know saw it in the theaters over 25 times.
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If TFA should reach anywhere those numbers american manchildren have to work harder. Rest of the world apparently see it for what it is and already lost interest.
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>>64912427
jesus redditors and reddi/tv/ are so dumb and embarrassing.

>Star Garbage can beat Avatar
lmao wtf
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>>64912769
Avatar had passed $700m domestic by the end of its 11th weekend.

Why is the time it takes for a movie to reach a milestone impressive? Opening big and falling fast is something every blockbuster achieves by marketing and hype alone. Managing to stay consistent for 11+ weeks is a feat only a few movies in the history of cinema have managed, and two of them are called "Avatar" and "Titanic".
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>>64912908
Because the media hypes the opening weekends as being something to care about, so more people will go see the movies because they're apparently popular.
And retards fall for it, every single time.
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>>64912427
Just checked. That thread still exists.

There's also plenty of discussion on the Star Wars sub reddit about all of TFA's obvious problems.

I guess they're all contrarians too :^)
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>>64907147
Still better than the guy that turned Trek into pew pew action.
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>>64909686
Lucas's FILM work is up for debate (his filming credits are shaky for the OT considering he ripped off a western beat for beat for Hope, and is credited for all the shit parts of Jedi) but his technical effects stuff makes him legit in that area.

So he was always a film hack but a legit technical effects technician or whatever you wanna call it.

Still haven't explained why Cameron is a hack either m80
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>>64913122

>hasn't seen American Graffiti
>pretending to know shit about film
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I'll tell you an anecdotal reason why TFA won't be going over Avatar or Titanic, at least not with overseas sales. I went to watch it this week, on day showing, it was +600 seat movie theater and there were around 30 of us there to see it. Was a comfy showing though since I didn't have to deal with hooting niggers etc. No one made any annoying sounds during the movie or laughed at anything and at the end people just left quite soon after the credits started rolling without much emotion in them.
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>>64913194
Teach me then sensei
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>>64912547
JJ was already fired and it was his idea to hire Ooga Booga. As much as the execs want to, they can't fire Ooga Booga without being called racists
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>>64913194

/tv/ is about 98% people who only watch action movies/capeshit etc, then maybe 2 oscarbait movies at the end of the year. No-one here actually knows anything about film-making or the industry.
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