>>64907115 It won't do either >>64907147 You are a hack >>64907184 Movies are in cinemas for as long as it is profitable to keep them there >>64907212 No it does not >>64907591 TFA is literally the last time we see a cast like this in a big movie, nobody is going to try it after what happened in Asia.
>>64907115 Doubtful it can beat Titanic with this current cinematic run from here, it's going to be released on DVD in April so won't be screening too much longer and interest would have well and truly waned. It might still cross $2b which is still fucking huge.
>>64908320 It's definitely an inflated sum but he's right that it would make billions.
Simpsons made just under a billion in merch sales the year the Simpsons movie came out. Star Wars is a fucking merch beast compared to Simpsons. I don't think $3 - 4 billion is outside the realms of possibility.
>>64907115 It will be in theaters for another month and a half, it could beat Titanic easily. But I don't think it will...not by much anyway. Probably a hundred million difference, but I'm really predicting it to reach only to 2B and stop there.
This is all since 77 but it's just the concept, Star Wars can't be looked at as box office numbers alone for profit. There'll never be an avatar amusement park, or hundreds of avatar games. It's just crazy how much SW is milked. The movie revenue is important but the franchise itself has probably made over 20 billiion if all factors were considered.
>>64908581 I love it. Theres so much established protocols and talk about sales of this and that, appearing to wider audiences, how to make a high-grossing movie and artificial manufacturing to get more money.
Then /jim/ comes out of nowhere and sets the record not once but twice though. And the coming Avatars will make more than 2billion worldwide each, so he will likely have all of the top 5 grossing films of all time.
>>64907115 How the holy FUCK did Jurassic World become the 4th highest grossing movie of all time? It was the most amazingly moviest movie i have ever seen >let's put some retarded kids in it! >let's have a subplot about the kids parents getting divorced and then have one kid break down and cry about his (99% of the time off screen) parents! >lets do velociraptors and big T-Rex vs big but slightly different T-Rex again! Who gives a fuck that these are both things already done before, lets cram BOTH in at the climax!
the business model in Hollywood is to bet everything on visuals, because it is how the american entertainment industry trumps any other entertainment industry form other country. and then people being hedonistic, visuals appeal to them. then you have no praxis other than leisure in any doctrine from the liberals/libertarians with, at best, the merge of entertainment with learning, giving thus ''learning while you have fun''; and it is about learning ''science'' or ''how good the human rights are''.
this leads to lack of creativity in every cinematographic field, and the drive of the industry only through technology for cameras and other computer effects. the opinion of the public is thus ''sure the story is not original, the acting is bearable at best, but the visuals are great, so the film is good''.
mad men is a best illustration of this, where people love it because it is the first time that they see actors with ''tailored suits'' and a mediocre photography.
>>64909319 >Jurassic World is the exact same kind of film as TFA in both its marketing and execution. Genuinely haven't seen TFA; is it actually good or shit? I can't see JJ making a bad film, at worst it was average with a few OK bits?
I am constantly amazed that anyone think there is anywhere near the same interest in avatar 2. The first one was successful not because of characters or plot but the spectacle of the first wide release 3d movie.
8 years later, 3d is dead and the public doesn't care any more. Most people I've talked to, even the plebs, look back on avatar as a pretty weak movie with a contrived plot and bad characters.
Now they're going to make 3 avatar sequels. I can't see the first sequel grossing more that 1.2-1.5 billion tops. With each subsequent sequel pulling in proportionally less as franchise fatigue takes a toll on the public.
Cameron knows how to make a novel spectacle and doomed himself the second he signed on to do a 4 part franchise. This isn't the terminator. There are no beloved characters or iconic figures for him to draw a crowd with. I literally can't even remember the names of any of the avatar characters.
None of the characters are novel or interesting and 3d is seen as a useless gimmick now, so where does the draw come from. The only way I could see this happening is if Cameron invents 4d or something and hand out blowjobs in the theaters.
It's absurd to think there's any brand loyalty to such a generic original movie.
>>64910062 So, name one then (other than Planet of the Apes, which was pretty good).
>>64910134 It will make close to $1bn in China alone. Avatar grossed $200m in 2009, before the recent growth of the Chinese market. Also >still doubting Cameron after you've been proven wrong countless times already
>The box office in China, the world's second-largest moviegoing market, grew an astonishing 48.7 percent in 2015, reaching a record $6.78 billion (44 billion yuan), the country's film regulator reported late Thursday.
>The expansion marked the highest rate of growth since 2011, according to the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television (SARFT). Only five years ago, the total annual box office in China was just $1.51 billion.
>By the end of 2017, China is expected to surpass North America — which reached a record $11 billion in box-office revenue in 2015 — as the largest movie market in the world.
>>64907115 I doubt it, the overseas amount won't be grossing as high. The only way this would top either of Cameron's movies is if reddit decides to watch it another 5-6 times. In here its already dropped from the prime screen of the movie theater and shifted to auxiliary smaller screens.
>>64910569 Meh, It only has 400 million to get Titanic. It will do that. Remember, Titanic got to that number on two separate theatrical runs. TFA will pass it eventually. Even if it is a special edition re-release after Episode 9 comes out.
>>64907591 This is actually true. Went once because my wife dragged me to it but I hated it because Jew Jew Abrahams was shoving the BMWF in the audience's face. If poe had more screen time I'd have gone to it two or three times.
>>64911320 >Shouldn't the quality matter Then why is TFA 3rd in the list of all time top grossing movies in the box office not adjusted for inflation? It should be in the trash where it belongs. And we're talking movies, not all merchandise.
>>64911443 >we're talking movies No we're not. We are talking box office numbers which ia a stupid thing to talk about in the first place. If you want to talk about how much money a movie makes only talking about movie tickets is making you look retarded, which you obviously don't mind.
>>64911506 Could you shill Star Wars any harder? How much is JJ or Disney paying you to suck their cocks? Or do you do it for free? >TFA is currently 3rd on un-adjusted box office gross >nuh huh, it's made over 10 gorillion dorrars when you factor in the merchandise!
>>64909618 Your reasoning is just too simple and presumptuous. People don't need a super original plot or interesting characters to spend money on a movie. Posters here how claim to "be into movies" can barely even recognize good writing or characterization.
Also, distilling Avatar's success solely as a "3D gimmick," which has lost its novelty, is way too simple. It was an immersive experience and spectacle, and other films made since that time have failed to match it in that way. It doesn't matter that 3D is not as novel now.
So it's VERY possible for Avatar's sequels to challenge it for the highest all-time gross. Cameron's already made two films that grossed over $2B, so it's surely possible for him to do it again.
>Back in 2010, Avatar became China's then-highest-grossing movie ever with a $204 million haul — but the country had far fewer movie screens at the time, when annual box office was just $1.47 billion. Relative to the full-year total, Avatar's China performance was almost unfathomably huge. For Force Awakens to take an equal share of China's full-year box office today — which grew 48.7 percent in 2015 and hit $6.78 billion — it would have to gross just shy of $1 billion over the coming weeks ($940.9 million to be exact). >just shy of $1 billion >just shy of $1 billion
>people STILL think Avatar 2 isn't going to make at least $600m in China
>>64911866 This. >already dropping in the States and outside it >60% of Americans feel they were tricked to see TFA >did shitty in China and everyone there hated it like the patricians they are >still has around 400 million to catch up to Titanic
>>64907115 >Avatar & Titanic New stories, no saga so that means no followers, no fans, with actors that are nobodies (DiCaprio wasnt that famous at the time of that film). No social media like now. Both last 3 hours so it means it actually has less number of screenings No toys, no books, no videogames, no marketing on every corner or store The work of a man who knows how to tell a story and appeal to the masses.
>Star Wars A fucking juggernaut by the hand of one of the biggest corporations with posters, ads, trailers, toys, games, shirts all over the world A dedicated and loyal fan base that will pay for anything with the SW logo Social media all over the place hyping the shit out of the movie Nostalgia Directed by a man that wants a paycheck and has no love for the story
The fact that SW is struggling to reach Titanic levels makes me wonder why hasnt Disney called Cameron to direct SW VIII and IX
>>64912589 Also took both films over a year to reach those marks. It took Star Wars 3 weeks to pass 700 million domestic, it took Avatar 318 days, and two releases.
As for Titanic. it wasnt appealing to the masses. I was in high school when it came out. A lot of people didn't like it at all. BUT there were a lot of people that loved it. I knew multiple women that went and watched it in the theaters a lot. One woman I know saw it in the theaters over 25 times.
>>64912769 Avatar had passed $700m domestic by the end of its 11th weekend.
Why is the time it takes for a movie to reach a milestone impressive? Opening big and falling fast is something every blockbuster achieves by marketing and hype alone. Managing to stay consistent for 11+ weeks is a feat only a few movies in the history of cinema have managed, and two of them are called "Avatar" and "Titanic".
>>64912908 Because the media hypes the opening weekends as being something to care about, so more people will go see the movies because they're apparently popular. And retards fall for it, every single time.
>>64909686 Lucas's FILM work is up for debate (his filming credits are shaky for the OT considering he ripped off a western beat for beat for Hope, and is credited for all the shit parts of Jedi) but his technical effects stuff makes him legit in that area.
So he was always a film hack but a legit technical effects technician or whatever you wanna call it.
Still haven't explained why Cameron is a hack either m80
I'll tell you an anecdotal reason why TFA won't be going over Avatar or Titanic, at least not with overseas sales. I went to watch it this week, on day showing, it was +600 seat movie theater and there were around 30 of us there to see it. Was a comfy showing though since I didn't have to deal with hooting niggers etc. No one made any annoying sounds during the movie or laughed at anything and at the end people just left quite soon after the credits started rolling without much emotion in them.
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