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I'll start with a quick summary of the whole box set, because I know there were a lot of people wondering about this release. The box set, in my opinion, is quite good. Carried by four excellent cast members (Ian McNeice, Emily Atack, Danny Horn, and Holly Earl) and with some excellent scripts, I found the box set very enjoyable for the most part. The ending falls a little flat in my book, but it's not enough to deter me from highly recommending it. Overall, I'd give the whole box set a 8.75/10.
The Oncoming Storm Now onto part one. The first story is a 9th Doctor story, where soldiers with bizarre voices and mannerisms are skulking around London, asking about a mysterious stone that fell to Earth recently.
The story was "fantastic", as the Doctor of the story would say. The story as a whole was very indicative of the 9th Doctor's era. There's a lot of guilt about the Time War and his role in it. I truly appreciated how it wasn't the 9th Doctor trying to stop an alien menace from destroying Earth, but the 9th Doctor attempting to save another race from destruction. That fact alone elevated my rating of the story.
The two main players of this box set are Winston Churchill (Ian McNeice) and Hetty Warner (Emily Atack). Both bounce off each other fabulously, with Atack proving she can hold her own with McNeice. I think I was most surprised at how much I liked Hetty Warner; she's this tough girl that doesn't take any nonsense from people with a big brain and heart to boot. Of course, Ian McNeice isn't anything to scoff at either. While he sounds a bit older than he did in his televised appearances, he still commands each scene.
2/8 I particularly enjoyed how the script flitted between humor and seriousness. On the humorous side, I particularly enjoyed Churchill's dialogue in his first scene:
(in his head) "I was awaiting Ms. Warner with all the calm patience for which I'm am renowned." (out loud) "MISS WAAARRRRNNNEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!"
Phil Mulryne certainly captured the tone of the 9th Doctor with his script, the quick shifts between the comedic and dramatic elements of his personality. It pervades into the story as a whole, making for some excellent listening.
I honestly struggle to find any significant faults with this opening episode. I'm sure others will disagree, but I think Big Finish did an excellent job with the opening episode. 10/10
The second part, a 10th Doctor story, takes a more serious tone than the first part. Churchill feels there is a darkness plaguing his mind, which he calls "The Black Dog". His secretary, Hetty Warner, takes it upon herself to call the Doctor, only when he arrives, he's arrested on suspicion of being a Nazi spy.
I wasn't as impressed with the second part as I was with the first part. My main gripe is that the ending is, unfortunately, a lot like the terrible ending of Last of the Time Lords, in which the Doctor overpowers the enemy with no explanation. However, the ending can't change the fact that the second story is still very good, just maybe not as good as the first part.
Again, McNeice and Atack command each scene they're in. I was glad that Atack got an excellent sending off, sacrificing herself to "The Black Dog" so Churchill would feel some terrible feelings, but I'm extremely sad she won't be around for the rest of the box set. I'm hoping that she pops up in some future box sets as well. McNeice does a much better job of conveying the 10th Doctor's personality in scenes where he narrates for the 10th Doctor. I also quite enjoyed Jo Stone-Fewing's Major Wheatley, the latest in Big Finish's long line of asshole military commanders. I'm a sucker for those kind of roles, especially when they quickly get their comeuppance.
The script, save for the ending, was, again, very good. Alan Barnes did a good job of capturing the "nothing flaps me" attitude of the 10th Doctor, especially when he's being arrested or when he's trying to escape to his "TARDIS". While it took a more serious tone, there was still some room for some quirky, funny dialouge.
My main gripe with this story was the ending. It was a bit too stereotypical 10th Doctor endings, where the Doctor saves the day due to some deus ex machina situation. In this case, it's being the one with the most pain in their past. It sort of cheapened Hetty's death by making it so Churchill couldn't even muster up enough dark feelings to create a mental projection.
So while I felt the ending cheated Hetty out of the death she deserved, that wasn't enough to stop it from being a solid second story for the box set. 8/10
The third story of the box set, an 11th Doctor story, runs like a Doctor-lite Dalek story. Apart from the very beginning and end, the Doctor is not present at all in the story. Instead Churchill and Kazran Sardick (Danny Horn, A Christmas Carol) are trapped in 55 B.C. Britain, on opposing sides of a war between Julius Caesar and Queen Tristahna of the Britons. I quite enjoyed this story; I thought it benefited from the Doctor-lite aspect of the story and from an excellent plot.
As always, Ian McNeice is fantastic in this story, I'll leave it at that. As for the newcomers of this story, we have Danny Horn returning as a young Kazran first. He doesn't miss a beat here, stepping right back into the role of Kazran. The other day, I watched A Christmas Carol among other stories to prepare for this box set, and I can say that he is almost identical to how he was in the show. At most, he's a bit happier than he was in the show. There are a few references to that story, but for the most part he takes the place of the Doctor to Churchill as the companion out of time. I quite liked the touch at the end of him meeting his idol, who turned out to be Churchill. It was a sweet moment in the box set.
The other two newcomers were Alistair Petrie and Laura Rogers as Caesar and Queen Tristahna, respectively. Petrie did an excellent job playing the ruler of the Roman Empire as a smart leader. His scenes with McNeice were a highlight, as these two world leaders bounced off each other well. Rogers was similarly good as Tristahna. I was quite impressed with how she switched from reverence to fear of the Bronze God at the drop of the penny. It was a wonderful touch to show how terrible the Daleks really are to someone who has witnessed them first hand, and not seen them defeated.
Something I haven't talked about much in this story is the ambient soundtrack. I saved it for this story, the reason for which I'll get to in a minute, but I've been extremely impressed with Big Finish's soundscapes as a whole. However, this one really did an excellent job. It was noticeable how well the soundscape was for the entire story.
The script was another excellent script by Justin Richards. My favorite scene of the story, and possibly the box set, was the scene when Tristahna is leading Churchill and Kazran to the Bronze God. If you listen, there's no soundscape until the Dalek rolls down the ramp to greet Tristahna and the prisoners. It's a wonderfully creepy scene; even though I knew it was coming, it was wonderfully (or the lack thereof) scored and directed. I think the script also benefited from not having so many asides by McNeice as he narrated for the Doctor. It was a simple story with minimal narration, unlike the other three parts.
Overall, like the first part, I struggle to find any issues with this part. Another excellent story. 10/10
The Chartwell Metamorphosis
The final story, another 11th Doctor story, takes a different tact than all the other stories. This story features a retired Churchill being cared for by Lily Arwell (Holly Earl, The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe) while mutated butterfly-human hybrids seek to kill Churchill.
6/8 (actually 6/6, this took less posts than I thought)
I'm largely unfamiliar with Churchill's life after World War II, so maybe there's some significance to the final part with Churchill turning evil, but I didn't catch it, so I didn't enjoy the story as much on first listen. I didn't like the choice to have Churchill, desperate to keep on living, research ways to create mutant human-butterfly hybrids. While it was an interesting story, I think that the fact that Churchill would stoop to do something so contrary to what the Doctor would approve of to be very uncharacteristic of the Churchill of this box set. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on something here.
As always, McNeice, though given (in my opinion) a mediocre script, does an excellent job here. Earl does a good job as Lily Arwell. I never much cared for The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe, but she does a better job here than she did there, which is due in no small part to her growing up a bit since then. Carolyn Seymour and John Banks do an excellent job in here, as they always do with their various roles.
The beginning of the script was a bit of a messy affair. Up until Lily tries to send for the Doctor, I found the script to be wildly out of character for Churchill so far. I find it hard to believe that he would have gone and done something to prolong his life that would cause harm to other people. However, once Mrs. Whitaker comes out of her cocoon hungry for Churchill and the rest of humanity, the script fares much better. I enjoyed the ending more than I did for Hounded.
Again, barring someone correcting me, I thought the ending was the weakest link. While it had a lot of good in it, I thought that for once, the bad was able to outweigh a lot of the good. 7/10
Robert Banks Stewart, writer of Terror of the Zygons, The Seeds of Doom and The Foe from the Future, has died. >http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/bergerac-and-shoestring-creator-robert-banks-stewart-dies-aged-84-34367921.html
>>64912676 At least he made it past 69. Anyway The Foe From The Future is a good audio and you all should listen to it. Had it been made as a TV story it would be a worthy addition to Tom's golden age.
>>64912441 SJA isn't really for you. One thing RTD era did well was having a broad spectrum of shows for everyone. You watch Torchwood with your spouse, Doctor Who with your family, and your kids had SJA. You would like SJA just as much as your children would like watching Torchwood.
>>64913778 I disagree. While obviously speaking to children more, it doesn't really talk to its audience down, and is not less mature than Doctor Who itself. If you can survive actual DW, you should at least try it.
>>64913874 Well I guess he should try it, he might like it. I was just speaking personally from what I watched it came off more childish than Who. It was specifically made to appeal to children, but that doesn't inherently make it bad. From what I watched it wasn't bad, but it just wasn't something I would normally watch had it not had the connection to Doctor Who. The fact it was made for a different audience is just something to keep in mind when watching it.
>Robert Banks Stewart dead >Christopher Barry dead >Robert Holmes dead >Douglas Camfield dead >Christopher Baker hasn't been seen since 1991 >tfw time is running out for an episode with the return of the Morbius Doctors
>>64914834 He posted NSFW content on a blue board, got banned, evaded the ban to complain about the mods. Then constantly complained about being banned for breaking three of the global rules because he's a special snowflake and the rules don't apply to him.
>>64915881 >As a teaser: there's an episode in series 9 that /who/ hated on in these threads, but scored quite highly. I wonder what it could be? /who/ was tsundere for this series, it could be any episode other than HS (which obviously did well) and Sleep No More (which probably didn't).
>>64915881 >We've had 45 responses so far, and some very interesting results. Wew lad, I didn't think that many people had visited /who/ in the past week. It's been dead as fuck. Personally, I'm trying to rewatch as many stories as possible before voting.
>>64916033 You confuse me. The fact you trip clearly shows you're attention seeking and vain. Yet the fact you're ignoring the discussion about you in this thread indicates...What? Perhaps it hurts your feelings. Maybe you don't wanna add flame to the fire. Pretty pathetic no matter how you look at it. Why not just quit the ego "trip" and be a regular anon like the rest of us? You're no better than us.
>You call me vain and attention seeking yet you're no better
...are you fucking serious mate? You don't notice that I, like any other regular user of this ANONYMOUS imageboard, don't feel the need to identify my posts with a trip? Literally nothing you've ever posted has legitimately required a trip.
>>64916747 >Is it truly so hard for you to believe more than one person of the rough 30-40 core /who/ users finds you irritating?
not really but rather that most people don't really care till someone starts riling others up considering everything was fine till the "u da underage spammer!1!11" anon came back. This is my last response to the matter, I'll fuck off for a few hours.
Reverting to actual discussion for a second, what did /who/ think of the latest VNA adaptations? Personally loved All-Consuming Fire, it's a great novel to begin with but the audio is right up there alongside Damaged Goods. Theatre of War slightly less, but still good - and it's always nice to have Brax back. Sylv is solid in both, he seemed to be having a good time and played things slightly lighter than he has recently.
>>64917093 Are you the trip that decided you don't need to follow the rules? Please stay away longer than a few hours.
>>64915881 >there's an episode in series 9 that /who/ hated on in these threads, but scored quite highly. I wonder what it could be? I don't really know which ones /who/ hated. I know some people were kind of upset with the Zygon parts, but I also know lots of people here loved them. The only ones I know that were almost all negative towards are TWWL, SNM, and HB.
>>64916953 I think we should make Essential SJA list: >Whatever Happened >The Lost Boy >Day of the Clown >Temptation of Sarah Jane >Enemy of the Bane (The one with Brig) >Prisoner of Judoon >The Wedding of Sarah Jane (The one with Tennant, also Sarah Jane gets date-raped, probably) >The Nightmare Man >Death of the Doctor (The one with Smith) >Empty Planet >Goodbye Sarah Jane (The one that foreshadows her cancer)
>>64918640 Also, I have a confession to make. I have watched way too little classic Doctor Who and I will now rectify it. I've seen a few serials here and there, but this time I'm gonna go all in and watch them all.
>>64918751 But he was the official ninth doctor for a little bit. It might have been cool if Grant played the war doctor but dunno if he would have given a good performance. I remember him being kind of bland as the GI.
>>64918830 >I seriously need to start with the Big Finish audios too? That made it sound like I didn't enjoy the thought of starting with Big Finish audios, I've been meaning to for ages and I can't get enough of The Doctor but still.
It's just, I found out about Doctor Who with 11, and have watched all I can in that time, but having kids and so on makes it kind of hard to get through all there is but at least I've watched some serials recommended but as as I said earlier, I'm getting them all this time and then I guess I'll be binge-watching Classic Who and listening to Big Finish while being outside.
>>64918922 Oh shit, I absolutely love "what if..." stuff, this is gonna be great. Now it's time to find a good way to get all Big Finish in correct order and start listening!
>>64915881 Hope its not Hell Bent. It can only be considered pasdable if you remove absolutely all context from it relating to the Doctor, every companion, the Time Lords, his home planet, Steven Moffat, Heaven Sent, and practically all of the lore
>>64919090 >It can only be considered pasdable if you remove absolutely all context from it relating to the Doctor, every companion, the Time Lords, his home planet, Steven Moffat, Heaven Sent, and practically all of the lore What?
>>64918315 the Main Range looks to be getting better, at least, apparently people loved You Are the Doctor (it's a choose-your-own-adventure audio, where you skip to different tracks) and they have the Two Masters trilogy coming up with Beevers + MacQueen
It elevates clara over every other companion, contradicts all his trauma of losing his home and being last of the time lords, depowers the time lords and rassalon, makes the doctor seem like some evil man needing a companion to reign him in, and feels like Moffat just makung his two OC's just get everything.
>>64918967 >Now it's time to find a good way to get all Big Finish in correct order and start listening! If you are about to watch Classic Who from the start, it might be a nice idea to start listening to the Lost Stories as you do it. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lost_Stories They're unproduced TV stories which were remade on audio, so you could listen to them during the era in which they were meant to be broadcast.
Not that anon but in regards to this point,her own Tardis, practical immortality, important enough that the Doctor went through 4.5 billion years of torture to maintain leverage to save her, and shoot a Time Lord who had been on his side
>>64920740 I'm not memeing. There's a 50% chance they bring her back. It won't be River, it won't be Osgood. It will either be Shona or a new companion but I doubt Moffat will bother building a new character for just one series.
>>64920423 Eh, I didn't particularly enjoy Woman Who Lived, but I was ready to give her a second chance. The only S9 writer I would love to be confirmed for not working on S10 is Gatiss. On the other hand, I'm not exactly looking forward to having any of them back, apart from Mathieson and maybe Dollard.
>>64922797 They were good some time ago, raising valid points and generally hating only what was bad. Then midway through Moffat's run they decided everything was shit and are still to change their opinion.
>>64923722 They were all sympathetically portrayed. That's not the same things as being sympathetic towards the Doctor. Francine and Sylvia were right to be concerned about their kids going off with some alien lanklet twat who puts them in danger. Francine especially had the fucking Master compounding that fear. They weren't nasty people. They came round in the end.
Yeah, Jackie was so much fun. Remember when she reported the Doctor to the government in AoL? Funny days.
>dead/fairly plain dad
Pete wasn't "fairly plain", he was the prototype of fun dad. Please watch Father's Day.
The only two variations from the RTD Model were Jackie eventually growing out of the bitchy phase and Wilf being Donna's grandad instead of her dead (and his character was originally going to be the dad, wasn't it for the actor's untimely departure).
>>64924576 >Remember when she reported the Doctor to the government in AoL? Remember how Rose had been missing for an entire fucking year? Not to mention that that was less than a third of the way through S1, so it would barely support your point anyway.
>/who/ is shitposting general >Neon Visual's PR firm burned down the wiki >Doctor Who is on indefinite hiatus >Peter Capaldi has developed arteriosclerosis of the knee >Steven Moffat photographed exchanging money with Michael Grade >Jenna Coleman's on-camera breakdown on the set of Victoria jeopardizing production >Big Finish studios have been empty for months >BBC Books no longer accepting submissions >Phillip Morris confirmed that the BBC "wasn't interested" in a complete copy of The Daleks' Master Plan >Tom Baker has been in the hospital for two months, no contact with the media >Matt Smith currently under investigation for child molestation >Karen Gillan cut from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 >Gattiss has "exciting announcement" for November >David Tennant and Georgia Moffett currently undergoing "trial separation" >John Hurt cancer relapsing >Sylvester McCoy 14 minute racist tirade recorded in a Tescos checkout line >Rumors swirling about Colin Baker's "transition" >Christopher Eccleston retirement announcement eminent >Nicholas Briggs silently suffering from cancer of the larynx >Paul McGann "hasn't come out of the basement in months" according to family members >"Doctor Who was a mistake. It's nothing but trash," says Russell T. Davies at a Golden Globes afterparty >Peter Davison rape accusations made in the press >Ian Levine recently hired by BBC to "continuity adviser" position >John Barrowman has "critical health announcement" to make about HIV status >Urn containing Elisabeth Sladen's ashes has gone missing
53 years. It was a good run, /who/, but you can't run forever...
>>64926999 >Why be a Cybermen fan though? They are villains with a great potential. They bring us face to face with our inhumanity, and yet are the logical consequence of the prime human imperative (survival). >They aren't ever in good stories. Maybe you weren't paying attention, but I mentioned two in my post (though I also said that they are rare). I could mention more. The Tenth Planet. The Invasion. Earthshock. Spare Parts. Human Resources. The Reaping. The Flood.
"Was passed this by a friend of mine. Thought i'd post it on here cos its pretty cool. Doctor Who is to undergo a re-brand next year for 'Series X', which films this year and is due to air next March. Their plans for the future are going to be 'revealed to the world' on Feb 2nd. The announcement will include: -Confirmation on the new companion -New sleek, minimalist logo -Photos of new TARDIS set under construction -Confirmation on new episode format (10x Hour long episodes)"
>>64927802 Isn't that a weird angle to take? Plans can change, especially in the clusterfuck of making Doctor Who. I think a higher priority would be trying to identify the source of that Capaldi pic if its as hop
>>64927674 Fake but this reminds me of back when Moffat was first starting and they'd internally renumbered the next series beginning at 1 again, and moff or someone made explanatory comments to the effect of "1 is exciting, 31 (S5's number if you count classic seasons) is awe-inspiring, but 5 is just boring". I can totally see them resisting going into double digits by using some X shit.
>>64928377 >“I know that what I’ve signed on to do is 13 more episodes of Doctor Who – including a Christmas special. I’m trying to argue for slightly more than that, but we’ll see. It’s all in action, it’s not that long away. It’s really close.” That doesn't sound like it was set in stone.
Have been on for a few months beause Pikeys stole my areas Internet cable.
What did you guys think of the last series? I really wasn't a fan, I'd guessed Arya was the Hybrid and was hoping they'd do something a little more interesting than your standard Moffat twisty-twist bullshit, wasn't a huge fan of her acting either, but that's kinda because she can't fucking act (have you seen GOT?)
Oh and what the hell was going on with the two-parters? Very fucking random and added nothing in my opinion.
River Song... Well just shit, although the ending leading into Silence in the Library marginally made her return more bearable.
Capaldi was as always great, carrying the episodes when everything else was lacking.
Clara's finally gone, thank fuck, she was done.
Moffats done too I think, but he's going to claw himself on for one more series with some dumb arc. I honestly think he'd be better now if he wrote no episodes or the season arc. He could just be a constant on set and make sure the style and theme of the series was consistent where it needed to be.
>>64937442 It was alright. The two parter thing was something I'd wanted for a while but I'm not sure it mattered.
It was def better than S8, but I don't think any of the stories stand out all that much to me. The last 3 episodes were great and Capaldi was amazing throughout, but I was kinda numb to everything to be honest.
>>64937942 >Whatever happened to the qt clone daughter of the doctor? The universe just ignored a girl capable of regeneration? None of the writers want to use her I guess. To be fair the episode was kind of lame.
>Does Donna have a black fetish? Yes
>>All this talk about hybrids this season and how impossible and new they are and I saw a Dalek/human hybrid, and a time lord/human hybrid. This isn't a question, just wtf.
IIRC Dalek didn't like the human hybrid thing or something? I haven't seen that episode in years though.
>Why did Rose and her mom have to go back to the parallel universe? Mickey got to leave. Plot. RTD wanted Rose to have the clone doctor.
>How did the Master become a sith lord with force lightning? Because of the resurrection or something. It was rather stupid and another unnecessary addition like the drums.
>What was the best episode? Empty Child/Doctor Dances imo.
>>64938347 Series 2 is pretty much the worst Tennant series, and the second worst series aside from 7. I'd add "New Earth" and "Fear Her" to the pile of episodes that are outright bad, and really the best that series got was "eh pretty good".
>>64937514 I consider S9 waaaaay worse than S8, but that's differing opinions for you. The last 3 eps were great, maybe my new favorites. I thought it was at its best when it was pushing against the "2-parter" format, such as the initial Maisie Williams episodes and of course the finale episodes.
Moffat was obviously trying to recapture a bit of Classic Who with more in-depth storytelling by bringing back a variant of the serial format.
Thing is, television writing has changed so much since its shift into the hour-long semi-cinematic format. It doesn't feel the same at all, and it's not really compatible. Pacing is completely different, and as such two-parters can mess with a story's momentum. NuWho made a shift into modernity and trying to bridge he gap with two-parters just doesn't work.
Keep them to finales and premieres, and the occasional story that deserves it. A series worth of them just felt forced and none of the stories truly benefited from the expanded length.
>>64937942 >>Why did Rose and her mom have to go back to the parallel universe? Mickey got to leave.
Cause Jackie's made a life with Pete and has a kid and they're rich as fuck over there with more advanced technology so either Rose stays or drags everyone, cause Jackie's not just gonna lose her daughter, back with her to her original universe.
>How did the Master become a sith lord with force lightning?
I assume that since he was brought wrong and something about his body being ripped open, that he could channel his own body's energy however he wanted, which was presumably cooler to show as electricity than regeneration energy.
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