Is this the shittiest villain of the whole saga? What's with the stupid name? Can a guy this big even wield a lightsaber?
So then they just fucked up the lore then?
After thousands of years in a universe suffering from technological regression holograms are now full color HD unless shit is falling on them?
His silly name is intentional to add extra gravitas to his sith title reveal.
I do find it somewhat strange that his hologram is so fucking big though. I get a feeling it is to compensate for him most likely being smaller than an average human. But like Yoda his size wont stop him from being a force genious and a great fighter.
i think the approach to the sith this time around is that they're posers that aren't as much of a threat that they make themselves out to be
i mean we've already seen this with kylo basically being a darth vader wannabe
the problem i have with snoke is that he's cg, he looks weird as fuck (and not in the good way)
This is a hologram, you retard. Notice the size?
That's not Star wars though, it has a theme of stagnation when it comes to tech.
In canon Clone armor is better than Trooper armor, and ancient Mando armor is still the best.
And for the most part in the extended universes older usually = better, ancient = best.
And then you have the outlying EU like the Old Republic where the extinct Infinite empire was the pinnacle of technology and they used the same holotech you see tens of thousands of years later.
Advancements my ass.
Disney is going to go with Darth Vader's soul seperated in two. The evil part is Snoke, which explains the scars and the good part is Anakin who "died" long time before Vader, which explains Hayden as Anakin in RoTJ and rumors of him in ep VII.
screencap me you know i am right
Would actually want to see a lightsaber fight scene with some 60 foot giant versus rey or some other protagonist. Not in a way where the big guy is all "hurr I'm so slow and retarded watch as i awkwardly lumber around and take big swings that miss by a mile" but just him being big and intelligent.
Is it actually made explicit that Sheev died in RotJ? Why not just bring back Sheevy?
that's a portable hologram, dickhead. Snokes hologram had a specially designed movie theater-sized room seemingly just for contacting him. It is also an undeniable fact that debris were falling through the projection.
And in the end he tells Hux to bring Kylo to him to complete his training, I didn't really get the impression he meant to the crumbling projection room that imploded mere minutes later.
I for one am looking forward to the fight between Rey and CGI dude. Nothing works better on screen than seeing a real person and some CGI thing fight.
Also, both Luke and Snoke must be shitty teachers if an untrained girl can defeat your disciple in lightsaber combat.
HOW IS THE EMPEROR ALIVE
HE IS ONLY A LARGE 10 FOOT HEAD
HIS BODY IS NON EXISTENT
AND THATS CLEARLY NOT A HOLOGRAM YOU IDIOT HOLOGRAMS ARE SMALL
>can a guy this big even wield a lightsaber?
>This is a hologram, you retard. Notice the size?
I'm calling it now.
Snook is actually slightly taller than yoda., but still crazy short. His lust for power possibly because he's so small drove him to the dark side. He makes himself huge in holograms to better intimidate the forces he commands.
What a shit bad guy, he's just a fucking floating hologram head. Can he even hold a lightsabre? He's got no fucking arms! What a shit name, 'Palpatine'. Is that because he give you palpitations when you see how shit he is? He looks just a like a fucking old guy made of wax who got left in the oven too long.
snoke is not a big guy he is actually adolf hitler he got to the galaxy far far away by using occult magic to escape persecution and waited for sheev to die so that he could start the first order which explains why they do all the nazi stuff and act exactly like nazis
"Holograms aren't big"
Yes... he's a hologram... he's not that big!
this entire film relies on your knowing the Star Wars universe of the previous 6 films, that's one reason why TFA is a shitty shitty script.
It cannot stand up on it's own right. Seen in isolation nearly everything happens just 'because'.
They don't detail the world of Jakku because we are expected to know Tattoine. Rey lives in an ATAT. We don't actually see an ATAT in this film. We are meant to know already.
They don't even quickly explain the Force, assuming the audience already knows.
The rebel base is a Yavin 4 copy.
Xwings fly down a trench and destroy a single building because NOSTALGIA!
>Can a guy this big
>implying he isn't just a Yoda-tier midget and he's projecting a giant hologram because of manlet complex
Seeing how childish his pupil is I wouldn't even be surprised
Although I agree with some of what you're saying, I don't think that everything needs to be explained. Empire stands alone just fine, but there's obviously added emotional weight if you've seen New Hope. How is this different? I would argue that even the prequels don't add anything to the view of tFA.
>theme of stagnation when
Star Wars doesn't have that, only the EU does. And only after KotoR retconned Tales of the Jedi. Which I get, Bioware wanted a game that looks like the best part of PT+OT to maximize sales, I don't blame for being lazy.
Thankfully Kotor is not canon and we can get rid of the retarded stagnation of tech bullshit.
then the film is almost literally 'good people' are fighting 'bad nazi men' and the heroine is a tragic isolated waif who develops some kind of magic powers
tha bad evil boy worships xome kind of meleted head thing (no explanation) and teh film ends with the girl locating an old man we know exactly fuck all about
it's honestly an awful script which totally relies on audience familiarity rather than logic and character beats developed and earned in THIS script :)
Why are the CGI characters in this movie so bad? That little orange pitch was straight out of a Pixar movie. This faggot is on the same level.
I'm so booty blasted.
Yeah some fucking backstory on why he is such a DV fanboy would be nice.
firstly, I don't agree with that. It's more like series of (good) set pieces rather than a good script.
Secondly, it's a direct sequel with the same characters as the previous film.
Nice try, but there is no comparison. TFA takes place after a film from 1983 and only has some cameos of characters from that time. It fully relies on previous knowledge from over 30 years ago rather than being the next film in an ongoing series, sorry.
If you are going to redo from scratch then actually DO that on screen
Uh. Have you guys forgot Darth Plagueis? That was the first dude who came to my mind when i saw Snook. Because:
>Is a somewhat tall guy
>Has a somewhat similar Ay Lmao face
>Has the most knowledge on doing tricks with life/death and force
>Is pretty much the only guy who could have actually made safety-measures with force, since he knew that his pupil would (try to) kill him
>It's ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself. ;Sidious
>Oh you have no idea! ;D ;Plagueis
I agree that more original backstory would have been a good thing. I also agree that over reliance on pre-existing material is a kiss of death for most films. The Revenge of the Sith (and to a less degree Attack of the Clones) script is a much stronger example of this. But I think it's fair to expect that when the SEVENTH installment in a film series comes out, the intended audience is at least passingly familiar with the storylines of the previous films; at least familiar enough to follow the plot of the new ones.
I've heard this theory and I could get on board with this. I just wish they hadn't picked such an ugly fucker for Ben. I can't get over how deformed he looked in every shot. Huge nose, uneven jaw, big ears.
I know people make fun of this, but it really COULD only mean one thing.
>being blockaded by Trade Federation
>"oh shit, our entire global communications system is down"
>hurr who coulda dunnit?
Too irrelevant for a twist for the average movie goer.
Snoke probably isn't getting a twist, the only way for a Snoke twist to have impact on the audience would be him being Vader/Anakin or Sheev clone.
And that's too retarded even for Disney. The twist is going to be concerning Rey/Kylo and Luke most likely, and Snoke will just be generic ancient evil.
we'll have to agree to disagree because this was meant to be a soft reboot and rather than having a few nods to the past, perfectly acceptable, it didn't attempt to explain anything for a new audience and even worse it has hundreds of 'easter eggs' which is not a good sign, IMO :)
It's prefectly ok for a direct sequel or later eps in planned series to have ongoing themes.
This is more than 30 years since RotJ though.
I also wouldn't have minded lack of explanations had everything been entirely new to us and we were going to see a brand new story unfold.
I have been saying since before tFA came out that either the girl protagonist or the grimdark antagonist would have an identity twist in the trilogy relating to parentage via Luke or Han and Leia, and that the reveal alone wouldn't be the twist. I still maintain that. Why would Han and Leia name a son Ben? Why not Bail or some shit like that? Only Luke knew Obi-Wan as Ben. I think Kylo Ren is Luke's son, not Han and Leia's.
What Lore? Even if EU counted there are examples of full color holograms in that too. Remember Proxy from Force Unleashed? Technology in Star Wars serves the plot regardless of time period
>not realizing his stupid name is just a shitty cover for his actual reveal just like they did with Into Darkness and Cumberbatch obviously being Kahn despite being imaginatively named "John Harris"
If would fit in with the Skywalkers being susceptible to the dark side, but in ANH Luke refers to Obi Wan as Ben for most of the film, and in ESB he refers to him as Ben when Han finds him in the Hoth wilderness.
I agree with you. The only reason we cared some about Vader's twist was because Vader became so damn popular and Luke was the protagonist.
Disney is going to have to mimic that, and this first movie is meant for fans to get invested into the characters. Rey and Kylo are the two most popular character and one of them, or both, is getting the major twist, not some tertiary character like Snoke.
>Only Luke knew Obi-Wan as Ben.
Han and Chewwy probably got introduced to him as Ben, I can't see him dropping his pseudonym right in the middle of them trying to keep a low profile on the way to Alderaan.
Hell, Luke still refers to Obi-Wan as "Ben" in ESB at least up until Yoda, and I think he doesn't call him Obi-Wan until RotJ.
Obviously Han eventually would probably come to know Ben as Obi-Wan, but "Ben" is probably how he was first introduced and how he knew him when he was alive.
Star Wars technology is whatever the writer thinks will work best for the story and be the most cool. There is not a grand internal logic to it. If the bad guys need a weapon to make them menacing but it wouldn't make sense that they can build it, they will find an ancient alien super weapon. If the writer thinks it makes sense that the villains built it it is made by them.
I agree with the visions part, but I doubt he is Vader. Kylo Ren essentially praying to Vaders mask doesn't make sense that way. Also why not call himself Vader? That would be much more effective to claim to be Vader reborn if he wanted to create fear and inspire Imperial loyalty
Cut them some slack. All it takes is one asshole turning to the dark side and you've got a galactic civil war. Every time they do advance its just a new super weapon to kill more shit
Uninspired Design: The Character
CGI: The Character
Tell Dont Show: The Character
Exposition: The Character
Weak and Ineffectual: The Character
Him and Maz are the biggest fuck ups of this new trilogy so far and years down the line will be looked back at as elements that impact negatively the potential nostalgia regarding TFA.
>Luke: "I'm here to stop you, Snoke! Or should I call you......Darth Plagueis!"
*crickets chirping in audience because no one knows who the fuck that is
>Plagueis: "I created you! And now I will destroy you!"
*audience still not sure what you are talking about*
Then continue shitty exposition retelling of Sheev opera scene
Snoke is gonna be a little guy, like yoda. You wait and see. It'll be awesome.
He only projects himself big so he can look down on people, since he is forced to look up in person.
It makes sense that immediately prior to invasion they would cut planetary communications but that doesn't mean communications being cut could only mean invasion. They could have just as easily been stepping up the blockade to include communications.
And lets not forget what people's actual criticisms about that line are about; It just doesn't make sense that dude knows communications have been cut worldwide instantaneously just because their holophone went out right then.
>There's some obscure, now non-canon explanation from some comic about how the specific pattern of the communication interference was able to specifically tell him what was going on instantly or some such shit
I don't care, it's a clumsy ass line.