>Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit. >Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home. >There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach. >Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive. >Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot. >Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach. >Bullet found had Hallbach's DNA as well as being tied to his firearm >Admitted to owning shackles, handcuffs, leg irons, which were used on the victim >Her car key is found inside his house, not only that, but was covered in Avery's sweat >Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. >Not only was Avery’s blood — which we’re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room — found in six places on Halbach’s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. >According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. >History of animal abuse. Covered a cat in gasoline and threw it onto a bonfire.
I can go on but have ran out of characters.
HE DIN DU NUFFIN HE A GUD BOY.
People who actually think he's innocent are either cognitively dissonant (i.e. liberal) or are trolling.
>>64744327 Even if he didn't do it, which is one MASSIVE stretch I'm not willing to take, him and Braindead Brendan deserve to be locked up for sheer stupidity. It's only a matter of time before they kill someone else, either intentionally or just through their sheer incompetence.
Its his own fault >Lawyer warned him not to poke the bear >Shouldn't have joked about needing help to hide the body >Brendan shouldn't have started guessing what happened >Avery should have given some money to Brendan for an attorney
It would have been much easier if he had killed her because Im sure he would have gotten rid of all the evidence
>>64744198 >Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit. Which had been moved >Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home. Like?? >There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach. The only bit of DNA evidence found in the room in which she was supposedly killed >>Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive. >Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot. So he was careful enough to not get any of her DNA inside his bedroom, or garage but was stupid enough to smear blood all over her car >Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach. Did you watch the confession? Did you hear his conflicting statements? >Bullet found had Hallbach's DNA as well as being tied to his firearm Incorrect, William Newhouse could not connect the gun to the bullet. Only the bullet to a .22 firarm. There was no evidence on the gun >Admitted to owning shackles, handcuffs, leg irons, which were used on the victim Not illegal to own and no evidence they were used on victim >Her car key is found inside his house, not only that, but was covered in Avery's sweat Her key had no DNA except Avery's, not even her own DNA. Also was not dusted for prints >According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. Not illegal, thought police >History of animal abuse. Covered a cat in gasoline and threw it onto a bonfire. Done decades previously and not a prerequisite for murder
>>64744198 >it's a "I just read about Kratz's statements about another 5 pieces of prosecutor evidence just as easily debunked as the rest were in the documentary but now I KNOW Steven is GUILTY" comment
There is no evidence that points that rape actually happened, if rape didn't happen then Brendan is innocent. There is no evidence found in Avery's house or garage that links Brendan. Where's the blood? If they cleaned it up, why would they leave the car key lying on the floor?
One bullet was found in the garage with Halbach's DNA, however the test was tainted by the tester herself.
why would they shot a bleeding body and move it around the property? yet no blood was found anywhere, but the car.
To me he is not guilty of this crime, and the police should have investigated more suspects desu.
>>64744747 >assuming shit too bad, but i never even watched the shit doc, I'm just here to shitpost. but it's nice to see that your critical thinking is based on watching something on tv and thinking about how smart you are.
>>64744781 The only evidence against Brendan is his own confession from when he was bamboozled by being asked the same questions over and over. Which was inconsistent and didn't have any internal logic, and didn't he have an alibi? He took several phone calls at his house over the course of the evening. The bus drive saw Theresa photographing the car at 15:40 so how did Steven Avery manage to have her tied up naked on the bed in the ten minutes it would have taken Brendan to walk over there with the mail?
>>64744877 because people eat up conspiracy theories and thats what this show peddles to the viewer: a supposedly large sprawling conspiracy that connects every facet of the political and justice system within a county in wisconsin in an attempt to not only cover up the murder of a girl but prevent a $36,000,000 lawsuit payout - and it tries to make you believe that's actually possible
Even if you dont buy the whole conspiracy theory, which is bascially 2-3 cops who wants to make sure that the person they think did the crime actually gets caught and decieds to "help" the investigation on its way, then what kind of evidence is there really? Bonefragments of the victim found outside Averys house, which had been move. One single bullet with supposedly the victims DNA on it, the medical examiner didnt follow correct protocol and the bullet should have been disqualified as an evidence Averys blood found in her car, this only proves that he has been bleeding in her car, nothing else really The key with Averys blood, this is questionable, no other DNA on it? not even a fingerprint? He has a key, it doesnt prove he commited a murder.
The fact is that there is a lack of evidence that you would have found in such a murder that the D.A has described, his bedroom should be full of both his and her DNA and traces, yet their are none of this, only the traces of the people who lived there Where is the weapon that was used to kill her? There is none, its very hard to prove that someone has been killed if you cant even prove what murder weapon was used
>>64745364 >The key was never tested for fingerprints Everyone makes misstakes, but this was such a big investigation with alot of media pressure on high public intressts that such misstakes shouldnt have been made The same also goes for the Manitowoc County police and their involvment in the investigation, they should have stayed as far as possible away from it, instead they were heavily involved with finding all of the critical evidence
>>64744523 i have no idea by what standard Brendan was deemed competent to give testimony, that kid is legit retarded. i've worked with some learning disabled kids and Brendan is way beyond that, even if he doesn't have Downs syndrome or cerebral palsy there is clearly cognitive impairment sufficient to render his testimony moot
>>64745289 the show alleges that the county were so focused on avery as a suspect that they not only ignored other leads but "bent" the rules to ensure he would be conviced again. its clear from their statements that most of them think Avery was guilty of the orignial assault back in 1985 in spite of all the evidence that exonerated him, and see his being freed as a black eye for the department. still its a long way from that to actively planting evidence
>>64745332 >it only proves he was bleeding in her car.
I don't think he did it but comments like that make the Avery side look as stupid as he is.
The blood in the car is the only vaguely solid piece of evidence the prosecution have.
The problem is that the only reason its admissable is because a 3rd rate FBI scientist said his test was accurate and enough, almost infaliable, despite the fact that any real scientific researcher familiar with how the EDTA test works would never, ever say that.
>>64744747 >>This doc is biased because no reasons. They try way too hard in the earlier episodes trying to establish that steven was just a regular old good guy and that it wasn't in his character to do this or that and even his time in jail couldnt have pushed him over the edge. That's ALL assumption and totally bias in order to set up the viewer for the rest of the documentary. you go into the "meat" of the argument already feeling sorry for the guy because of his wrongful imprisonment while the seeds of doubt have already been planted to question the case against him.
I will say though that it's a nice change from the typical crime drama told from the perspective of never-wrong super detectives who always do things by the book and get the REAL bad guys. both sides of these kind of shows have an extremely bias narrative.
>Brendan, you have to be honest with us >we know what happened we just need you to tell us >who shot him Brendan? >... >Brendan, we already know, just say it, you shot him, right >....yeah >what about the other guy? On the grass, Brendan >...uh >fine, I'll say it, who was the second shooter on the grassy knoll, Brendan. It was your uncle, right >...yeah
>>64746081 "conspiracy of silence" is a far cry from the government planning to murder a girl just to pin it on a guy so they could wrongfully convict him again. that's where this whole show goes off the fucking rails for me. yes there was gross incompetence but when you stretch the story to fit your own ideology of "the government is out to get you" i just cant take it seriously anymore.
i basically watch that part as fiction because that's what it is. just entertainment.
it's funny how mad people get when people are found guilty without enough proof but you give them even a whiff of cover up and they will drop every notion of rational evidence based thinking.
>>64746453 >that's where this whole show goes off the fucking rails for me. Except it's pretty clear the documentary isn't suggesting in any way that the police murdered the woman. That's just Avery, parts of his family and the one random woman who said she wouldn't be surprised. But you are free to also >drop every notion of rational evidence based thinking
>Ryan "Chopped Her Up Fast" Hillegas >Ryan "Last One To Hear Her Cryin'" Hillegas >Ryan "Master of Hog-Tyin'" Hillegas >Ryan "I'm The Only One Who Knows Steve And Brendan Ain't Lyin'" Hillegas >Ryan "She Dumped Me So I Raped Her In The Grass" Hillegas >Ryan "That Password Was a Lucky Guess" Hillegas >Ryan "The Manitowoc Man of Mutilation" Hillegas >Ryan "Brought Bacardi to the Search Party" Hillegas >Ryan "The Auto-Trader Date and Rape Her" Hillegas >Ryan "Knuckles Made of Brass" Hillegas >Ryan "Burnin' Bones With A Gallon of Gas" Hillegas >Ryan "Committing Crimes By The Property Line" Hillegas >Ryan "Got Sent To Voicemail So I Murdered Her Ass" Hillegas >Ryan "Dump Me and I Will Dump You (In a Fire Pit)" Hillegas >Ryan "Me And Mike Halbach Put Her Body In The Trash" Hillegas >Ryan "The Forceful Johnson of Wisconsin" Hillegas >Ryan "I'll Pin It On The Nitwit" Hillegas >Ryan "Gettin' Necrotic Cunny Under the Overpass" Hillegas >Ryan "Those Scratch Marks On My Hand Are Just From Stray Cats" Hillegas >Ryan "No Avery Gets A Pass" Hillegas
Ex-Boyfriend called Teresa upset that she was cheating on him with her roommate, leaving her two angry voicemails, telling her he was on the way to her apartment. Ex-Boyfriend killed Teresa in her apartment, in a moment of passion, with a gunshot to the head. There would be evidence, but the apartment was never searched. He put her in the back of the car and drove her to the quarry to burn the body, and ditched the car somewhere.
Colburn found it and reported it, and called Lenk. The police did normal investigative work, then learned that Steven was the last person to see her. Time to kill two bird with one stone. He then had Colburn move the car, in the middle of the night (Averys claimed to see headlights). Meanwhile, the ex-boyfriend then erased the voicemails. He was questioned by the police where they dropped hints that they thought Steven Avery did it and he wasn't a suspect. Maybe they even dropped hints that the car might be in the junkyard. He then sent a search team member to the Avery junkyard, a specific section, with a camera, where magically the car was.
Lenk wanted to plant he key right away but there wasn't a moment to do it and he needed Steven's DNA and to clean the key. He cleaned the key and planted Steven's DNA on it , then planted it on the fourth day. He also planted the blood the first day, at 6PM, like his first report said, which he later tried to coverup.
>>64745289 Neither. This is where people get confused. They alleged that members of the Manitowoc county sheriff's department were responsible for planting evidence. That wouldn't have taken a large conspiracy, only a few people.
>>64744198 >cleans all the traces of blood in his house with scrutiny like a pro >doesn't crush the car although he easily could in the 6 days after the alleged murder >still doesn't crush the car after TH was reported missing and he knows he was supposed to be the last person to have seen her. I can buy that Avery is retarded but then I can't understand how such a retard could clean all the evidence of the actual stabbing in his house. It just doesn't add up especially since HIS DNA was found in the garage.
Steven Avery is guilty Brendan dindu nuffin and is only guilty of being a retard. The only positive side of him being in prison is that he hopefully will never breed out his inferior genes The Manitowoc police are corrupt as fuck and definitely without a doubt planted evidence as to make sure Avery went away this time, not only to save from a massive lawsuit but also because they had a personal agenda against Avery and had egg on their faces from before when Avery was wrongly convicted.
If you take anything away other than that you are a faglord.
>>64750011 >different spouses >kids from different fathers >family members are rumored to sell crack >brother in Jail, son in Jail >lives in Wisconsin >no indication of her doing crack >no indication of her selling her body
>>64748961 he used all his money on his lawyers and still got found guilty. If he cut it between himself and Brendan they would both still be conficted, furthermore less arguments for their innocence would exist giving them less chance to appeal and less chances for successful petitions (like the show has now prompted). Also Steve probably didn't like the idea of spending even m9re time in prison because his retard nephew is retarded.
>>64750447 I dont think anyone can make Brendan say anything just off the cuff like that. Even if his team told him: YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU GOT IT FROM THAT BOOK, then I seriously doubt he would be able to.
>>64750866 The police LITERALLY banned her from seeing Steven and put her back in jail for smiling at him when they walked past each other at the courthouse. Not many relationships survive that senpai.
>>64751853 >He was at the bonfire Yeah throwing wood and tires on the fire >it really shook him up no loosing, his gf and being called fatty made him depressed >confided that information with his cousin no she saw that on tv, when they reported about it
>>64743565 His is the real sad story. Just some dumb kid who got pushed around by the cops. We ought to teach kids to not talk to the police without a lawyer. His sucked so much it wouldn't have mattered though.
>>64751981 >You're wrong How can i be wrong? Tell me something that Brendan told the police, any kind of information that wasnt known in the media that Brendan gave the police in his confession, if you are to confess to a crime but cant even do this, then you clearly arent the person who commited the crime
>>64746707 >>64746707 Also roommate didn't report her missing for three days. Also the same roommate gave those two women (who found the car) his own camera "in case you find something" when the same roommate told them to look in the scrapyard, as far as I know he had been informing and conducting the searchparty for quite some time prior to it without giving someone else his camera
>>64752667 is that a regularish thing with you? then i could understand halbech seems like the type to not do that so i could understand concern of an otherwise organized person not even stepping foot in the house for three whole days
that being said, if the roommate was the kind of asshole to not give two shits that'd be fine but... he hacked into her phone just like the brother and ex-boyfriend
It was semi-regular thing. I was living in two places basically. But we didn't know the relationship of Teresa and her roommate so all I'm saying is that I wouldn't say her roommate is that suspicious. Ryan "The Forceful Johnson of Wisconsin" Hillegas and Mike "Faggot" Halbach are much weirder.
>>64752968 because the judge said so although people like to get pissy at steven now for even suggesting others should be looked at, not even made suspects >>64753033 just let em snort a bit of your sister's ashes they'll be all over yours in two secs flat
>>64753126 >2000 calorie diet plus nothing to do but work out. you can't guarantee that every meal he eats a day adds up to 2000 calories unless everything is prepackaged and/or measured. Also, you're assuming he actually works out, not to mention that unless he's working out for the majority of the time he's awake, working out doesn't actually burn as many calories as people think it does. What it really boils down to is that he eats above his TDEE. He most likely spends 90% of his free time lying down staring at the wall.
>>64753264 >How are the people involved taking the repercussion of the doc? >Did Mike Halbach get shit on his social media? check wikipedia. THe DA guy pulled that typical "they didn't talk TO ME and get my side, shit is biased!!!" And of course the bother got shit.
>>64753293 >He most likely spends 90% of his free time lying down staring at the wall. Jesus
Although in that 'letter to the outside world' he seemed to be communicating well. Perhaps the socialization of prison has been good for him. No doubt he had plenty of time to rehearse the speech though.
>>64753232 But if the defendants show inconsistencies in evidence and testimonies highlighting the cops' inability to an objective evaluation of the case, then that's a reason to doubt fair play in the investigation, if this is questioned on several points they should generate at least the ability to point to other suspects. I get the documentary is probably biased in many ways, but IF the cops' foul involvement had at least a bit of real weight to it (colburns car-sighting, lenk's finding the key the seventh time the room was searched, ONLY avery's DNA on the key belonging to the woman), then the court shouldn't evaluate the case with the same perspective which is (in the documentary) heavily questioned.
>>64753801 >The notion of doing so much work >implying it was a lot of work still not something you say phrased that way. It's just something you don't say like mentioning bombs while you're on a plane.
>>64753689 It is the police job to investigate crime. It is the lawyers job to defend their client. They can point to inconsistencies and highlight times where the police have not done there job properly. They cannot make any allegations towards people to deflect from their client.
>>64753910 the first thing you have to understand is that they're all idiots. So they dropped the key thinking >I won't have to explain this at all, I can just say I found the key there, I found the blood stains there, the rav4 was just hidden right there and discovered within 10 minutes days later so sure, their story was a lot of work, but that's just because someone decided to question it. Planting the evidence was not a lot work.
>>64753989 Their problem was that avery got a 400k settlement and could afford actual lawyers and there was a documentary team recording everything. That's why this whole thing became a "thing" in the first place. If SA had a public defender there wouldn't even be a trial.
>>64754033 >>64754033 I think you mean "testify," and any good defense attorney will tell their defendant not to take the stand because it's just more shit the prosecution can use against you. there's no reason for him to testify.
>>64754033 you never want to testify for yourself EVER. Everything you say will be nitpicked and used against you. Nothing you can say won't be used against you negatively. They will spin your words against you and trap you. It would be hard for a smart person to testify and get away looking better, imagine a literal retard being let loose for the DA wolves to get at.
>>64753922 Maybe it's different in america, but here in europe there's no doubt that defendants can point to other suspects to further the doubt of the allegated's guilt. If the groundwork which the court originate it's perception is highly questionable then I wouldn't call it an objective view of the case
Regarding the book and being able to name it: its because he was coached by his lawyer on what to say. It probably took this retard weeks to memorize it but he did it. I thought the coaching was pretty obvious.
>>64754320 brendan is a literal retard and he's fucked for life because of it. It has nothing to do with whether or not you're innocent. You could be 100% innocent and have no inconsistencies in your story, but all it takes for them is to find a way to twist your words and change your story where you can't defend it. They reframe their argument to where your story doesn't fit. Same reason you don't talk to cops with a lawyer present. They will force inconsistencies.
>>64754440 there is none people who say he's guilty like to slam him as a sexual deviant that couldn't control his urges to fuck her to death but there's more evidence for even kratz to be that kind of person over steven
>>64754953 only one to blame for brendan being in trouble is brendan. He couldn't even get rid of the lawyer properly >do you get a long with him >yes >do you think he's doing everything he can for you? >sort of
>>64754493 But if you can point to the police not doing a good job evaluating suspects (which the defendants did), then I don't see how the defendants in the absence of proper investigation are not allowed to complete and present a parallell investigation involving other suspects to incite a doubt of guilt in the mind of the jury. Maybe it's true what you say, that that's how it works, but it seems off to me.
>>64755034 >are not allowed to complete and present a parallell investigation involving other suspects because it's not their job. Their job is to show that their client didn't do it and that's it. They don't have the resources or access to the evidence that would prove someone else guilty.
Here's the thing I just can't shake about this damn train wreck. I'd understand if maybe a few cops were suspicious for reasons stated in the program. But I cannot fathom how nearly EVERY person involved in this entire case came across as the shiftiest motherfucker in the entire state of Wisconsin. Was there some sort of secret contest to find whomever could appear to be the actual guiltiest party around in this case? We had: >Lenk & Colburn with their evidence tampering/procedure breaking shenanigans >Len feeding his client to the prosecutor hounds >Mike & Ryan tripping over themselves about finding the car and then magically guessing Teresa's account info which is essentially impossible if it wasn't "password123" >Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych giving testimonies which simply did not fit into ANY timeline suggested, along with Scott's outward hostility towards Steve >The other Avery brothers with easy access to the property and strange behavior like Earl hiding under clothing in his house when police came for DNA samples >Lab lady saying she had special permission to break procedure for one time in her entire career to "put Teresa in his garage" >FBI agent making up a bogus EDMT test to somehow verify there was none in ANY of the blood, despite only testing half the samples >Mister "My Drawing is the best thing to happen to my career" "Next candidate for CEO of Christian Science" le pencil man
Who the fuck do I mail the "Biggest Retard" Trophy to? At this point they all deserve consolation prizes. I guess Ken Kratz is big enough to go around.
>>64756107 Prolly none, real prison isnt like what you see on tv and movies. Being gay in jail or fucking another dude is super looked down upon and will most likely end up with you getting jumped for being a faggot. Prison is all politics, carrying your record around with you and being with your own color.
>I was in LAC for a year
Though, I don't know about Brendan exactly, i'm sure he hangs out with woodpeckers in prison
>>64754696 Anyone else feel like Strang and Buting were jobbers to build up the Manitowoc guys, only for Kathleen and Tricia to come in and completely decimate them? I am so hyped to watch this unfold. Do you think we'll get a public trial by next year?
Well his sister was murdered and he is speaking for the family. He is trusting the police that the people in court are the right ones. I didn't have a problem with him waving off the doubt that was presented in court.
>>64756287 >Brendan, where did they touch you? >>my hair? >no >>my leg? >no Brandan, you have to tell me the truth >>my ear? >okay ill just come right out and say it. It was your anus, wasnt it? >>(mute) >If you just tell the truth you can go home and watch wrestlemania. They touched you in the anus didnt they? >>yeah
For anyone who cares, Leddit is compiling a list of evidence for the defense not shown in the series to rebuke the morans spouting Ken Kratz's top 5 list as absolute gospel for Steven's guilt. Some excerpts: >Dean Strang recalled that one of the investigators involved in finding DNA under the hood of Halbach's car admitted to not changing gloves after handling evidence inside her car. Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwXEJ_0X2A >Blaine Dassey testified that his brother, Bobby, was asleep when he got home from school around 3:40pm, contradicting Bobby's testimony that he got up at 2:30pm and saw Teresa headed towards Steven's trailer. Source: http://fox6now.com/2016/01/07/february-27-2007-another-nephew-of-steven-avery-takes-the-stand/ >Dean Strang stated they had a forensic anthropologist at trial who testified that an open fire wouldn't have generated enough heat to burn a body in the way that those bones were destroyed, but it didn’t make the documentary. Dean Strang on Megyn Kelly, the Kelly File 1/5/2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIBAoe8hNPk >"Buting showed that Culhane delayed the DNA test that freed Avery for a year" and "Culhane’s error rate was shown to be the highest of her group although her analysis time was seventy percent of the other analysts. She explained this by stating she did more samples than others." Source: http://www.convolutedbrian.com/testimony-notes-26-feb-2007.html
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