>mfw this guy actually turned out to be one of the good guys
Damn, I was not expecting him to be a red herring. I thought for sure he was the one who poisoned the coffee. I'm glad him and Samuel L teamed up at the end to kill the chick.
What's kinda cool about the bandits is that the basically act like Oswaldo talked about hangmen. They aren't cruel in the sense that they get emotional, they couldn't care less. They just kill because it's their job. And considering how Oswaldo said frontier justice apt to be wrong as much as it's right, I suppose it's the same with frontier injustice.
Btw. did anybody else think Bob would've made a good worker at the Haberdashery?
He probably saw them hide the pistol under the table. Why would a racist confederate general want to help two unapologetically anticonfederate union veterans (one of whom is black) anyway
I mean being a general and all he sucks a strategy. On the other hand the south lost the war so I guess it's not that far out there. I bet Sweet Dave was about to win the chess game as well.
Yeah, about halfway in I had a sinister suspicion that the movie would end with:
>confrontation between sherrif and samuel l where he ends up making him suck his dick like in the story
>scene comes up with the girl trying to make a deal with the sherrif
>literally say out loud "Oh god, here we go..." while also rolling mg eyes and totally expecting him to try and betray Samuel L
>figure he Samuel would somehow overcome the odds and shoot him while making him suck his butchered penis while he dies
Was a pleasant surprise. Anyone else here agree that the dick sucking story was obviously fake? He even said "I grabbed that black hair..." when the son in the general's imagination clearly had brown hair.
Doesn't matter, if the son had any dignity, he would've gone down fighting instead of being caught alive.
Who the fuck pursues someone known to have killed upwards of a hundred men alone?
I don't think so. He seemed careful enough to say to Ruth bringing in a desperate man alive is a good way to get yourself killed, so I doubt he would stick his pecker into a desperate man's mouth. Unless he knocked his teeth out first. He might I guess considering he said his mouth was full of blood.
I believe he killed the son, but I don't think he made the dude suck his dick. Jackson's character was trying to push the general's buttons until he snapped so he could legally justify killing him in self defense.
Because the perceived racial implications and 4chan's obessive paranoia of cuckolding shit.
You been under a rock? Whenever someone talks about this movie on /tv/ someone instantly accuses Quentin of being a cuck.
I'm surprised someone hasn't made the accusation of "all black horses save for the white one is obviously a hidden metaphor for black men gang banging a white woman"
I'm one of the guys who claimed he didn't do it. I think Tarrantino was rather neutral in Hateful 8. All characters were human beings, no mary sues as far as I can tell. It's not like Sam Jackson was portrayed as a good guy. It was a cunt move to kill the old bastard after they ate soup together. Not saying the general wasn't a cunt as well, but anyway.
That, and he's got a famous daddy. Whoever hired him for the job probably knew his dad, at least by reputation.
>when the son in the general's imagination clearly had brown hair.
It looked like he had black hair that was going salt and pepper to me.
I totally think he did. The first time I saw the movie I didn't. After multiple viewings I find it completely believable that he did. Re-watch the scene in the stage coach where Sam is telling the sheriff about the southern boys coming' to call.
To a man? your son? This of what a racist homophobe this general probably is.
In the leaked first draft it was pretty clear that the general's son did suck his dick, pretty smart for Tarantino to leave it ambiguous on the movie, else he would've never heard the end of it from all the spergs that can't help but project themselves into every character that's thrown in front of them onscreen.
>He lost respect for the General after seeing how he let himself be manipulated by the nignog.
>He was the sheriff and it was agreed that Warren acted lawfully and in self defense.
>There were far more pressing matters seeing as someone had poisoned the coffee, so they had no choice but to partner up in order to survive.
Enough explanation for ya?
the narrartor mentions that mannix, ruth, and oswaldo have a debate about the legality of the shooting
plus at that point I'm pretty sure mannix is unarmed, while warren is still packing
We don't know how much time passed. For all we know they yelled at Jackson for a while and then he just sat down and took a drink. Also he did pick up the weapon, it was his own choice.
Why didn't they shoot Sam when he shot the general? They could say that he was probably the one working with Daisy as he just ruthlessly murdered a man by forcing his hand, and they already were talking about how if there was never a moment to easily off somebody, they'd make it themselves. It fit perfectly.
Besides, they could have just shot Sam or beat the crap out of him, stabbed him with a knife, etc. Hangman and the driver were already dead, and the only person left was the sheriff who they could have just shot from under the floorboards or said that it was justice for shooting the general, and how he was probably working to save her.
But no they waited until the one guy with a gun put them against a wall.
Interesting. So Tarrantino probably thought this was to cliche so he turned it around to counter expectations.
I kinda wonder where I remember this from. There must have been a movie with something like that. Black guy carrying a important letter.
The movie was way too predictable
>Someone isn't who he says he is
>immediately think "oh, then it's everybody, or there is an extra one guy we can't see"
I was expecting the flashback to show them to have all have different reasons for lying, like why Gage poisoned the coffee etc, and only the guy downstairs wanting to lift Daisy, but in the end it was just "they were ALL in on it"
was Mannix really a Sheriff?
was the significance of Mannix reading the Lincoln letter at the end pointing out that Mannix and Warren were somewhat in the same position, both liars who say whatever they have to to survive?
That's somewhat good acting because it isn't just saying your lines but doing the internal stuff as well. The opposite of it is like what they do in gilmore girls, where they instantly start talking after the other person stops.
I like to think Tim Roth tried to play some british bandit who did a christopher waltz impression, who happened to be real hangman.
in the script it's left ambiguous, all the other characters are revealed to be liars, but Mannix it's never revealed
in the original script Mannix is the only survivor of the shootout as well, Daisy kills Warren originally
Notice how her brother spoke spanish. They probably both were halfbloods and Ruth didn't really rialize the two were connected because he spelled her name wrong. Back in the day I suppose this happened often because it's not like you could google names. Notice how Mannix got both Marcus West's and John Ruth's first names wrong.
>go to see hateful eight
>theater is mostly empty
>couple walks in
>sits in the SAME fucking row as us
>talk endlessly, for three whole fucking hours non-stop, and when the music or noise from the movie made it hard for them to hear each other they just talked over it
>girl was on her phone and would let it sit idle, tilting it towards my face
>180 CONSECUTIVE MINUTES
Why do people do this shit? I was fucking enraged at first before I was able to just tune them out
I didn't think about that, I just assumed Daisy was married.
But you're probably right about that.
I think Manix really was the Sheriff. Like that other anon said, he'd never been caught in any lie. When Oswaldo revealed himself as the hangman, Mannix asked him for some documents on a hanging that was to occur. Even though he was a racist hick, Mannix was really the only honest character other than Poor O.B.
He spoke Spanish because I imagine their gangster activities take them there quite often. I doubt he actually was fluent in french. Just a way to impress the ladies.
>I was expecting the flashback to show them to have all have different reasons for lying, like why Gage poisoned the coffee etc, and only the guy downstairs wanting to lift Daisy, but in the end it was just "they were ALL in on it"
You just complained about the movie being too predictable and now you complain that you didn't predict EVERYONE to be in on it.
What most people don't get is that tarantino is doing the thing again where he takes a genre and completely changes it when it starts to become stale.
The movie starts as a whodunit and ends as a psychological thriller and bloodbath.
The entire POINT is that there is not "one guy in cahoots" but the entire fucking cabin.
It's more of a remake of THE THING in that aspect.
the second the general told them tatum was under the floorboards he wouldve started shooting before anyone could put 2 and 2 together. there was also the hidden pistol under the table he may have seen be hidden.
What most people don't get is that tarantino is doing the thing again where he takes a genre and completely changes it when it starts to become stale. The movie starts as a whodunit and ends as a psychological thriller and bloodbath.
Would be nice if he reinvented himself now. I love the movie, but I'd like what other stuff he could do. Imagine a Tarrantino Si-Fi movie.
Well they were a black couple and I really really didnt want to come across as an uptight racist white guy
Thats not me lying either.
I noticed that too. I think that's why I liked the movie so much. Because the chapters are all one long scene you can really get into the setting. I think that chapter 1 did this the best.
When he said the line about them getting their news from papers printed in Washington DC, I was surprised that Unofarto would go to the trouble of making the racist character have depth. Then he went and made him the hero.
>when Tarantino's voice over came in
>thought they had played the wrong version, thought it was a commentary or something
>mfw it's part of the movie
No, Marquis was a selfish asshole from the get-go. The 30-something people he burned alive to escape prison also included black people who were just as innocent as he was.
It's re-established later with the Lincoln letter that he's a liar who will say anything to get what he wants.
So, in all likelihood, the story about the general's son was bullshit (at least the blowjob part) to get the general pissed enough to go for the gun.
why would the bandits give a shit if he shot the general? tatum couldve opened fire and the gang could have attacked but mannix and sam jackson couldve still picked one of them off. not worth risking your life over
>That was not depth, that was just /pol/ shit
>>Oh you get your news from liberal sources
Im sure you never complain about Fox News
>He didnt deny robbin and lootin
true, but then it's revealed that SLJ is a war criminal who burned dozens of people alive.
Im not saying it's Shakespeare, I just expected Tarantino to say black=good, white=bad and he didnt.
The narration actually worked alright in the roadshow cut, since it came right after the intermission. Quentin using his own goofy-ass voice was definitely a mistake, but the narration itself didn't seem out of place. Then I saw the theatrical cut. Jesus. Why are you recapping things we saw happen 30 seconds ago?
Whether he did it or not, making an old man you've just been sitting and chatting friendly with believe in his last living minutes that his son died choking on your big black dingus is pretty depraved. Even if the general was a cunt.
This. It wasn't even someone with a cool western voice like Sam Elliot. Every time I hear Tarantino's voice I think of him in that scene in pulp fiction. takes you out of the movie
I thought it was interesting that Joe Gage is the only person in the main cast to not call Marquis a nigger to his face, considering that of all of them, Michael Madsen looks like he'd fit in best at a Klan meeting.
Mike was spot on but not so much about the violence. It started off great and was set up to be such a fucking chess match between everyone and then it just turns into simplistic plebshit. The setup chapter was fun and nice to see but also completely pointless because there was literally nothing interesting to reveal. Everyone was the bad guy - whoa so innovative. There was a really good opportunity to come up with some clever shit for motivations and such but i guess they just couldn't be bothered.
He didn't have to go full mystery chess match either - just a couple more clever ideas would have brought this movie over the top, where it belongs, because the rest of it is gorgeous and comfy.
There's a scene where Mannix tells the General that Marquis is the nigger who had the 35k bounty on his head, and the General reacts incredulously. There's also a scene where Bob plucks half a chicken and gets up to do something else, but Marquis tells him that's bad luck and kind of intimidates him into plucking the rest of the chicken.
I'm sure there are other things I didn't catch that QT added, the roadshow cut is supposed to be 6 minutes longer.
It's a long as fuck movie. Intermissions in movies exist to let people take a piss and/or get more snacks. There are some recent movies pushing or going over 3 hours that I wish had fucking intermissions.
Joe Gage calls him sneaky when he puts the knife to his neck, I believe that's the extent of their interaction while "in character." Even when he's Grouch Douglas, though, he doesn't make any racist remarks, whereas English Pete calls him a nigger a few times.
I just think it's interesting that QT seemed to have gone out of his way to show every other character's racism in some way, (even sweet ol' Minnie hated Mexicans) so it was a bit strange/interesting that Joe Gage was the only one who didn't overtly display any racist tendencies.
It's been established that he's a liar who will say what he needs to to survive. It's possible he didn't start the fire but just escaped during it and let people think he started it to seem more imposing.
It was mostly inconsequential, which is probably why it got cut for the wide release. He probably only left it in the roadshow cut as a kind of lead up to the Marquis/Bob confrontation later.
another question I had in mind is that once the dude under th floor shot of Jacksons balls. And he fell down and was on his back in agony, why didn't he just shoot him again? he was clearly a threat .
It breaks the movie up nicely, give you a chance to take a piss/ refill / stretch legs, and it comes at the point in the movie right before all hell breaks loose giving the film a good breather from the tension before the storm
I'm guessing like Mike the movie made you feel stupid when the simplest explanation (with a few slight twists, like the general and someone in the basement) was in fact the explanation.
When he shot the general, Ruth was very much alive. If they'd shot Marquis, they would've given away the fact that they (or just Oswaldo I guess) had concealed weapons. And literally as soon as Ruth died, Marquis had a gun to Domergue's head and told the rest of them to get up against the wall.
I'm saying he could have been lying when he admitted it. I mean, he could also have done it. I'm just saying if you're using that as proof he's a fucked up dude who would make a guy he's about to kill suck his dick, my point is that both stories could have been fabricated. His lighting the place on fire to break out and the dick sucking could have been lies.
No, because i was not rushing ahead trying to figure things out. I just took it as it came, and it turned out to be a really shit direction in comparison to how great the rest of it was. No need to be butthurt about criticism.
That's probably what happened in the original screenplay but he changed it to keep marquess alive so they could have the bit at the end where they hang daisy and mannox reads the letter.
I get the feeling that they were creole or atleast grew up around creole people because Daisey seemed like she sympathized with the south more. And Channing is actually from the south plus the lastname domergue is french.
The movie is really clever. Its established early that Jackson and mannix are both HUGE racists. The only one who isnt is Ruth who tries to be progressive and "play by the rules"
He is the proto liberal.
>muh justice gotta bring her in alive
>muh sappy Lincoln letter
Because he is such a naive white man he gets fucked over.
The only white guy who survives is the hardcore racist hick who is smart enough to Team up with the hardcore racist black.
I really look at this movie like a play. Especially if you saw the 70mm version. I mean it had an overture and and intermission. The narration came right after the intermission and I think it fit into the idea that this was a play. I think a highschool or theater could actually put this on. The dialogue was amazing, there were monologs, and allusions to something outside the play (the American Civil war) which is a trope I've seen in many plays. Overall yes it was kind of dumb in a movie but it fits as a play.
Either way it doesn't really matter. The sign was down, the policy was no longer in effect. She seemed like a very polite woman. She's not going to turn away everyone on the coach for one dude. But you can bet she planned to keep her eye on him.
Why dis marquis bother killing him anyway? I get he didn't like him because he was a confederate general but was it not a bit compromising to provoke him then shoot him in front of everyone
How did Tim Roth have the hangman papers?
Also I missed the first minute or so after the intermission so I missed the coffee poisioning scene. It was jarring as fuck when everyone started throwing up blood when you miss the set up.
They never explain it, but since he's part of the gang, and he has the cards it's logical to deice he's killed the hangman and is assuming his identity.
For some time. I mean it's obvious he's thought it over and has come ups with story and philosophy on the whole thing.
Because he hated black people. He himself said how he did not bother with black prisoners of war after the battle of Baton Rouge and executed all of them on site.
If he kept shooting the Sheriff would have done the same and possible he would have killed Daisy. Their whole plan was to save her and that's why they wanted to play it patiently and not go guns blazing the moment Ruth entered the cabin.
Jackson says something to the extent of "We're both already dead. There's nothing we can do to change that" before going on his speech about why they should hang Daisy. They were both bleeding out pretty badly, and even had they somehow gotten medical attention, back in those days the likelihood of surviving a gunshot wound was pretty slim.
>mfw this shitshow is getting completely snubbed during by the awards groups
Can the Tarantino meme finally be over?
Sam jackson said it himself in his theory that british boy probably killed the hangman to get the papers. That's what probably did happend they just didn't flat out show it in the movie. Not really a plothole like the retarded anon said.
You must have a learning disability. The stated outright that the dude murdered a whole bunch of black soldiers who were supposed to be fighting for the confederacy.
>I didn't see the movie.
I don't think you have a proper understanding of the setting. Think of how vast that wilderness its. How alone they were. How few roads. If you grew up in Europe or whatever other part of the old world you may not understand how small the new world was at that time. The small population of white folk was often connected by family or politics, which is probably how Manix got the job. There were generally two or three roads TOPS into towns like that in that area at that time. It's highly likely that if you're traveling to a town to do some fucked up shit you'll come across, and kill some folk with beneficial papers to help you out.
I don't think so. I may have agreed with you when I had only seen the trailer, but after having watched the film multiple times, Roth is the better fit. Waltz is the character Roth was trying to portray as English Pete (or whatever the fuck his real name was supposed to be)
You're missing the pay off.
Waltz could have played the character fine, until the point where he's found out. Once roth switched back to his more natural accent it was all him. Watlz would have been more believable as Mobray, but Roth was more believable as the gangster in the end. Mowbray is questionable throughout the entire thing until he starts with his more natural accent, and then it's perfect and it all falls into place.