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Can you simply gender swap a character in a story and have it still retain its mythic qualities vis-à-vis the Hero's Journey (as discussed in Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces)

Or is the female's Journey intrinsically different from the male's?
While obviously you can just change characters any way you want but does it have the same impact?

How is the "heroine's journey" different?
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>>64707578
When it's a woman's journey there needs to be a black love interest. Luckily Disney understands this and has got it covered.

That's why pretty much every advert/TV show now has a white female and a black buck. They all understand this principal.
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>>64707777
quads confirm
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>>64707777
I remember a lot of BBC action in grimm's fairytale
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>>64707777
Why are white guys always the fools and black guys are always the cool, muscular, love interests?

It's literally the only couple you can see on UK TV.
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>>64707947
>finn isn't a fool
The guy was portrayed as a clumsy idiot throughout the movie
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>>64707993
still a black male/white female couple.
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>>64707578

Yes, although there is some stuff in that book (it's actually the first chapter) that discusses very male-centric psychoanalysis shit like Oedipus complex and whatnot (in order for the Boy to become a Man he must "kill" the Father as a rite of passage). The majority can be applied to female characters as the Hero's Journey "blueprint" is very general and can apply to pretty much any character in a story.
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>>64708067
>the most they have done is a kiss on the forehead
I mean sure it's implied but they're not a couple yet
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>>64707947
Finn isn't cool, he's the comedy relief friend

Poe was more of the hero...though I guess he isn't white and isn't in the movie much

Ray is a Mary Sue so she's not going on much of a hero's journey. Finn is the real hero
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>>64708255
>that one scene where he shoots down 10 TIE fighters and it's done in one shot
Easily the best part of the movie
Also he's more hispanic than anything
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>>64708255
Starwars was borderline, I suppose. There's still a black male/white female couple but they didn't make him a suave, well-built black guy like most studios do.
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>>64707578
>How is the "heroine's journey" different?
Male's hero journey: a hero needs to learn through practice and mistakes to become capable and worthy. He experiences ups and downs, joy and sadness, and ultimately comes on top by using his hard-earned wisdom and strength
Female's heroine 'journey': She's perfect. She's self-reliant, knowledgable, determined, and strong willed. She's the smartest person in every room, she overcomes every obstacle by learning on the fly. She finds the idea of being helped by someone else to be repulsive and humiliating. She has a vagina.
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Rey is a shit "female protagonist" because we have a billion don't need no man tomboy types. Luke was special because he was a good hearted somewhat gentle twink protagonist in an era that still celebrated hardass gruff masculinity more to the tune of Han. Rey brings absolutely nothing new to the table since independent woman hero who can take care of herself and rejects help from her male peers has been done to death.

Why don't we ever get women who are just as gentle and inherently good as Luke as heroes instead of them being made into side characters fulfilling the role of the "heart" or "healer" of the group? Any time we get a woman in the lead, she's got a masculinized personality or at least an attitude problem so that she can keep up with other male heroes.
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>>64707947
was watching Doctor Who for the first time today on tv. first few scenes I see are clara(?) trying to get a date with some black guy and every other character in the school was going on about how attractive the black guy is -- even the male headmaster. Then of course during the adverts all you see are white women lusting after muscular black guys in bingo adverts and the like. such is life as a britbong.
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>Little boys have fantasies in which they’re faster, or smarter, or able to fly. Where they hide their faces in secret identities, and listen to the people who despise them admiring their remarkable deeds… Now, little girls, on the other hand, have different fantasies. Much less convoluted. Their parents are not their parents. Their lives are not their lives. They are princesses. Lost princesses from distant lands. And one day the king and queen, their real parents, will take them back to their land, and then they’ll be happy for ever and ever. Little cuckoos.”
-Neil Gaiman
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>>64708675
brits are all cucks
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>>64708651
They could have made Ray kind of a Bitch (because she's stuck up and good at everything ) and then get wrecked by Kylo (she escapes because of earthquake) and she becomes more humble
Would have been a nice character arc

The problem with TFA is that it's derivative but still screws up basic narrative structure
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>>64708675
Maybe because all the white men are spineless cuck sponges like yourself. No wonder the women go looking elsewhere.
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>>64708724
When did he say this? Certainly not in recent years otherwise his head would have been on a pike
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>>64707947
it's usually how it is irl 2bh
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>>64709262
>basic narrative structure has the good guys lose at the end
They could have done that but I'm not sure it's the best way to go about the Star Wars relaunch.
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>>64707578
You can. There is a "heroine's journey" model that by its definition separates the two by gender, but it's written by some bozo. The Hero's Journey can be applied to anyone, and the steps that are described in terms of gender (Meeting with the Goddess, Atonement with the Father, Woman as Temptress) are metaphorical (or rather, can be treated as such). It could be argued that Han's appearance in TFA is the Meeting with the goddess.
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>>64707578

>Alien
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