>It's a the Defense provides compelling evidence to dismiss the Prosecution's evidence as inadmissible but the judge ignores it anyway episode
>they probably get so much pussy right now
Well congratulations, Steve. You got yourself caught. Now what's the next step in your master plan?
>mfw Steven's dad breaks down crying about not being able to help his son when he knew he was innocent
So what happened?
>Colburn and Lenk find the car and body and set Avery up
>the killer dumps the body at the Avery place, Colburn and Lenk find the car and plant everything but the body
>Colburn and Lenk kill a random woman to put a man they don't like in prison forever
>Steve did it
>cryptic as fuck video of teresa
>"i dont think ill die tomorrow, but if i do..."
>"Woah woah woah, you're probably wondering how I ended up here"
>"It Aint Steve" starts playing
Anyone else have a friend just like Brendan? Complete retard but fun to be around because of how oblivious he is about almost everything?
Reminds me of my friend Shawn. Man, made me feel so much worse.
>the salad eating scene
His parents seemed like cool people, I have no idea how their kids turned so bad. I think that all sons had trouble with law, Chuckie Avery even tried to rape a woman.
It was me, Steven. The author of all your pain.
Can someone give me a supposed timeline of the bones / moving of the body? Were Teresa's bones found in the fire pit originally, or the quarry outside of town? Both? That was one aspect I had trouble following.
>reasonable doubt is for INNOCENT people!
What did he mean by this?
>MODS BAN THESE PEOPLE FROM TALKING ABOUT A SHOW ON /tv/
One of Steven Avery's new lawyers from Kathleen T. Zellner & Associates. Her name is Tricia Bushnell.
>does google search
>reads a clickbait article
>AVERY IS 100% GUILTY THE DOCUMENTARY IS TOTALLY BIASED HE KILLED A CAT 20 YEARS AGO THERE WAS SWEAT ADN HE WORE A TOWEL
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You make no sense whatsoever. I don't even know what you're complaining about, do you just not like this documentary or what? Are you Ken Kratz in disguise?
I honestly don't give a shit m8. You're the one having a sperg fit about people discussing something you don't like and are obsessed with Reddit so much you mention it in every post. Just scroll past the thread and move on with your life.
>That guy trying to derail the thread by complaining about everyone here being from reddit as he actively screenshots reddit threads.
Clearly, you aren't the prize.
>you will never be worthy of the love of a woman of this calibre
Agreed. Something is up with him and his willingness to blindly accept anything that points at Steven being the killer. And in every shot that you could see his face during the trial he looked like he was focusing as much as he could, paying attention to every single little thing anyone said.
Who knows? We'll probably never know since he wasn't questioned in any capacity as far as the documentary seems to say. We didn't hear what his alibi was or how his relationship with his sister had been.
who /rewatching/ here? On ep2. Crazy how when the car is found they go straight for Steve Avery, he's not the only person living there.
How come SA was convicted of Theresa's rape? Was any evidence of this presented at trial?
They couldn't even confirm that the bones found were even human nevermind Theresa's. The only 'proof' they have of the rape or how she supposedly died was Brendan's confession which anyone with half a brain can see was absolute bullshit.
The mess they made of Avery's home got me mad as fuck. How are they allowed to just go in and throw his stuff everywhere without fixing it up afterwards? Like they ripped lights and the AC from the wall, and they took his girlfriend's purse? The fuck is this shit.
>brother knew the victim's voice mail password
>ex-bf claims to have found her voice mail password online
>voice mails were deleted
>this doesn't raise enough suspicion to interrogate either of them
What the fuck? Avery sure as shit didn't listen to and delete those, they state very clearly that there was no active from her phone.
If my sister went missing, I would not be giving perfectly calm creepy statements to media vultures talking about her in the past tense, when I could be out looking for my fucking sister.
I really like Jodi in this. She stuck up for Steven the whole time and wouldn't bow to coercion from investigators trying to put words into her mouth. When they realised they couldn't get her they went fro Brendan instead and banished her by way of parole.
>tfw you know you done goofed but you have no way out
>Lenk and Colburn did literally nothing wrong
Well, that's blatantly untrue. At the very least, they shouldn't have been a part of the search and its wrong that they were present.
Idk. Don't get me wrong, I was as annoyed at his lack of skepticism as anyone else, but at the same time I've seen a lot of crime documentaries and cases where the victim's family always just accepts the state's case, even if it isn't as obvious to outsiders.
I think the amount of grief they are feeling really clouds their viewpoint and ultimately they just want "closure", which they think they will get by putting the first suspect that comes along in jail.
I didn't see the brother emote in any way that said to me he was grieving. In fact, most of the time he seems oddly unemotional and the times he seems the most emotive are while he's in the court room listening to the trial but always with a questioning look on his face and nothing else. He never looks happy or sad or angry.
There's also the report they wrote up during the rape case that wasn't made until eight years after the fact.
You'd remain completely unemotional, even while on the search before you even know if she's dead? Even after finding the car on Steven Avery's property?
I like when Steven was on the phone to his dad saying about how he was gonna kill himself in 2 weeks if he didn't get out of jail. His dad just pauses and goes 'DONT GET STRANGE'
let me guess, it's a comedienne living and breathing 'gigs' and 'circuit' and 'tours' that worked as an intern at least once and dreams about having a career as a scriptwriter for two broke girls WHILE FINISHING SOME OF HER TWEETS IN ALL CAPS RIGHT?
if he stayed brendan's lawyer it would be a plea deal and he would get 20 years tops. that was the plan and a perfectly reasonable one. now he can look forward to 2058 early release date.
I don't get it. Why was the judge such a cunt? He didn't allow anything that might've helped them and allowed stupid shit like that blood test. Faggot clearly wanted the guy behind bars.
A combination of being biased against an already convicted man and a family af criminals, not actually really giving a shit about the case and inherently trusting authority figures over others
This could be possible. What if she was embarrased by the fact that her ex kept harassing her and when asked who kept calling her she just said "uhmm it's just that Avery creep, he's so unsettling, right? I mean, the other day I went to his house and he answered the door in a towel lol"
>muh no Teresa DNA on her own car key
Avery just tried to remove every trace of Teresa being at the property. He sterilised everything, hid the car key (because he moved the car and planned on destroying it later), so he needed to keep the key for future use. That's why only his DNA was on the key
>why didn't he dispose of the car in the scrapper
He was going to, but had to deal with other things like the body, clean up, burning, sterilisation etc. He was going to move and crush the car afterwards
Judge Fox: Mr. Dassey, how do you get along with Mr. Kachinsky?
Fox: Does "not bad" mean good or what?
Fox: Do you guys fight when you're together?
Fox: Can you talk with him?
Fox: Do you think he's doing what he believes to be in your best interest?
Brendan: Sort of.
[Judge Fox sighs]
he was clearly unsure about how to he should act with the media, and that's very understandable. You say anything they can possibly twist around(which can almost be anything lol) and your're potentially fucked.
Ok, so I just got done watching the tenth episode and was surprised to find it included more information that's important to forming an opinion on the over all case.
Many people with the release of this documentary have been bring up evidence that either wasn't present in the doc or facts about the case you might not know and one of those things was about Teresa's purse and its contents being on the Avery residence. This is not true and the purse and its contents ARE mentioned in the documentary. Specifically during the second attempt I believe it was to coerce a confession out of Brendan, it was the one before he called his mother about O'kelley and everyone trying to get him to confess. Not only is it mentioned in the doc but it makes no difference really when you consider that if someone got the body there and placed it to frame Avery, what makes you think they couldn't have brought the purse as well? And hid it in one of the burn barrels, which if I recall was one of multiple locations at which "Teresa's bones" were recovered?
I can't watch a single episode without stopping for a few minutes. Some of the stuff I saw made me cringe. That defense lawyer for Brendan who looked like a typical sleazy lawyer made me want to punch him in the face, especially when the coerced confession was used as evidence and all he practically said was "oh well"
Fucking wow. So, does everyone know about the juror who has recently reached out to the documentary crew about how they feel they were forced into giving a guilty verdict?
>There was behind-the-scenes vote-trading going on during the trial,the juror told the filmmakers, and the verdicts on each count were "a compromise."
Not only this, but one of the jurors, the one who had been replaced, claims before he left that there was bias against Avery. One of the jurors not only volunteered for the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department DURING the trial but also had a son who worked there.
I can't believe there are people coming out of this documentary still claiming Avery is guilty. I mean, even the evidence that "wasn't included in the documentary" fails to out weigh the incredible evidence toward him being framed. One juror had a break down and had to be removed and replaced due to a family emergency, another recently comes forward about feeling they were forced to give a guilty verdict and that each count was compromised through vote-trading which occurred during deliberations and two of the jurors had direct ties to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department (one being a volunteer and father of a Lt and the other's wife working there as a clerk). On top of this, the excused juror recalls statements made by other jurors that makes it even more clear that there was bias.
Another juror, Richard Mahler, said that when he asked a member of the jury after the trial why they convicted Avery, the juror told him: “Think of all the things he did when he was younger.” He took that comment to mean that Avery’s conviction was based on all of the things he had done when he was younger and not on the evidence in the trial. Mahler further described a number of incidents that he found disturbing in the initial hours of deliberation. “I walked into the jury room for the first four hours of deliberation and one of the gentlemen had his arms crossed, and he said to me, ‘He’s guilty as hell.’ And I thought to myself, ‘How can this be? What is wrong with this guy? He’s not even willing to look at the evidence.’” Mahler also described what happened during the first lunch break of deliberations. He told a fellow juror, “‘Man, I just can’t handle this.’ And he said, ‘Then why don’t you leave?’” Mahler said, “I don’t know if he thought because I was a threat to the guilty verdict or not, but I took that pretty hard too.” He later got a phone call that his stepdaughter had been in an accident. It was a combination of the family emergency and the comments at lunch and in the jury room that led him to, as he described, “an emotional breakdown.” He told Golodryga, “That’s why I left the jury.” Mahler said he knew nothing about Avery going into the trial, but he “has learned that a lot of people on the jury had been out to the junkyard or knew Steven in some way.” In other words, he said, he doesn’t believe the jury was impartial. On the subject of the taped confession of Avery’s nephew, Brendan Dassey, which was excluded from Avery’s trial, he said he later found out that one of the jurors got wind of the Dassey confession during the trial anyway.
All of the jurors were from Manitowoc County and apparently neither the Defense or the Prosecution attempted to remove these jurors, likely because one wanted them there and the other was unaware of their ties to the department. Its disgusting.
Possibly because the jurors were not themselves directly involved in an official capacity with the department. I'm not sure. Its absurd but so is much of the case, like how a phone call that is deemed inadmissible is still used to put away Brendan Dassey or that both the bullet test and the EDTA test were invalid or inconclusive and yet were still used to condemn Steven Avery.
>Defending a convicted murderer
Nevermind the fact that he knew Teresa, and answered the door in only a towel, then requested her to come that day using a different phone, *67 her multiple times, then called her again with *67 off after she had met him, and he called her with a different phone cause she requested not to be sent to his residence again. Yeah just ignore all that
Those calls prove nothing other than that he called her. You could just as easily claim the reason he did that was because he knew she wouldn't answer if she knew it were him and he was trying to get this car sold for his sister. And as far as the "rape chamber" talk, you are talking about other criminals who were in the prison. Who were they? What crime were they in for? Why weren't they brought to court as witnesses to make those official statements? Not to mention that the very fact that Avery was having Teresa do this is a huge reason to claim he WOULDN'T have done it. So close to the depositions, with the lawsuit coming and having just gotten out of prison for a crime he didn't commit, with nothing in his character pointing at him being likely to commit a crime like this?
Why did she not want to go there? Why did he douse a cat in gasoline and throw it on a fire? That clearly shows he's capable of violence, and I like how you'll believe one guy in prison but not the other who says mean things about the one you like
I believe one man who factually had been framed for a crime he didn't commit and then ended up being accused of yet another crime by the same people with extremely suspect handling of investigation over a random person from prison who was apparently deemed by both the prosecutor and the defense as not important enough to bring to court. As for the cat incident, I still haven't been able to look at the police report for that specific incident but I'd love to see it. However, he WAS young. The incident took place decades prior to the murder case and has no importance other than a weak attempt to characterize Steven Avery as some sort of monster. They had nothing against him other than that. No character witnesses, no changes in his behavior after being released from prison. And he had every reason NOT to commit the crime, from the impending lawsuit against the state to the fact that he was directly connected to the victim the day she went missing. It makes no sense.
>It's a "I just read about Kratz's statements about another 5 pieces of prosecutor evidence just as easily debunked as the rest were in the documentary but now I KNOW Steven is GUILTY" comment
Here's the thing I just can't shake about this damn train wreck. I'd understand if maybe a few cops were suspicious for reasons stated in the program. But I cannot fathom how nearly EVERY person involved in this entire case came across as the shiftiest motherfucker in the entire state of Wisconsin. Was there some sort of secret contest to find whomever could appear to be the actual guiltiest party around in this case? We had:
>Lenk & Colburn with their evidence tampering/procedure breaking shenanigans
>Len feeding his client to the prosecutor hounds
>Mike & Ryan tripping over themselves about finding the car and then magically guessing Teresa's account info which is essentially impossible if it wasn't "password123"
>Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych giving testimonies which simply did not fit into ANY timeline suggested, along with Scott's outward hostility towards Steve
>The other Avery brothers with easy access to the property and strange behavior like Earl hiding under clothing in his house when police came for DNA samples
>Lab lady saying she had special permission to break procedure for one time in her entire career to "put Teresa in his garage"
>FBI agent making up a bogus EDMT test to somehow verify there was none in ANY of the blood, despite only testing half the samples
>Mister "My Drawing is the best thing to happen to my career" "Next candidate for CEO of Christian Science" le pencil man
Who the fuck do I mail the "Biggest Retard" Trophy to? At this point they all deserve consolation prizes. I guess Ken Kratz is big enough to go around.
More importantly, how long before we get some more clarification on how some jury members felt "unsafe" if they didn't vote guilty? It started as a 7/12 vote for not guilty. I just can't wait until the inevitable interview/book that details the deliberations.
There are some rumors that Steven made his third call to Teresa around 5 to leave a message asking why she never showed up. Has anyone got anything more on where this is coming from? That would be the final nail in the coffin for me since the bus driver confirmed she was taking pictures there.