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Why is Episode 1 so visually appealing?
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Why is Episode 1 so visually appealing?
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>>64702306
because it's a Star Wars movie, unlike TFA which is a Disney knock-off
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>>64702306
it's like poetry
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>>64702364
>implying TFA isn't visually appealing
Are you for fucking real nigga?
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The movie’s rich-hued palette alone is a jolt from the start, and the action scenes have an alluring, entrancing kinetic vigor and texture, displaying balletic gracefulness and dazzling rapidity along with closely-textured compositions in depth, surprising pictorial imbalances, and angles that are as expressive as they are surprising.
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>>64702306
>visually appealing
>posts a jarring jump cut
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>>64702581
Haven't you heard? We are all pretending the prequels are good now
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>>64702306
I dunno but I do appreciate how all the locations looked and especially the lightsaber effects.

Up until Episode I they were doing the lightsaber effects the same way then II and III they changed them, I liked the skinnier lightsabers and almosy more pale at sometimes in I as opposed to the fat glow of II and III.
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>>64702644
But they are good.
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>>64702306
The best scenes in the movie are the ones with real environments
WHAT A SURPRISE!
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>>64702644
Well yeah but I mean, why lie to yourself and say TFA isn't visually appealing? Why can't you like both?
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>>64702581
He wasn't implying, he said it. Go shill on reddit.
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>>64702686

That's the spirit anon. You're getting the hang of this.
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>>64702686
Exactly.
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>>64702737
Well he's fucking wrong. So let's just get that out of the way.
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>>64702644

If you take the prequels and rate it on the same merits people keep praising about TFA, then yes, they are good movies.
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>>64702306
appalling*
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>>64702581
yes
Once you say 'nigga' in a post, nothing you say has any value, you know that. right?
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IDK anon i watched Ep I round christmas and could not help but notice how bad the CGI was in certain scenes
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>>64702748
Yeah dude whatever
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>>64702770
Nice argument there. Did you made it all up by yourself or your 12 year old brother helped you?
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>>64702837
Dude the prequels are sooooo god. God damn fucking masterpieces if you ask me, fuck the OT and plinkett, amiright guys?
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>>64702932
Better than yours kid.
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"Film from nearly 20 years ago, which pioneered CGI characters and digital compositing doesn't have a standard of effects comparable to a brand new film"

Really? That's incredible. I would never have believed that.
What about the obvious model shots in ANH?
Or the fucking laughable glove puppet in TESB?

Selective memories or just hoping no-one would mention these things?
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>>64702306
holy shit that duel was poorly shot
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>>64702748
http://www.vice.com/read/camille-paglia-believes-that-revenge-of-the-sith-is-our-generations-greatest-work-of-art
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas

It's not surprising that the same people who attack the prequels are always unversed in real film or anything artistic, and that the people who praise the prequels (Zizek, Paglia and Brody) are always literate, educated, and versed in real film.

The fact that everyone points to Plinkett as the authority on why the prequels are bad speaks volumes. Mike Stoklasa is one of the least artistic people on the planet - he can't process movies outside of the conventions of Hollywood films, his approach to narrative is tempered with the same surface-level requisites listed on tvtropes.

Any complaint that people have about the prequels illustrates a weak grasp on film. Their sensibilities for 'good dialogue' in what is intentionally pulp comes from bad pulp, ie, the original Star Wars, the only pulp they've ever seen. They would similarly view any homage-driven art film and miss the entire point.

Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.
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>>64702932
>Did you made it all up yourself

is English not your first language or are you just incapable of typing out a coherent response like an adult?

1)take a deep breath
2) step away from the computer
3) realize whatever is enraging you so much is not worth the emotional expenditure
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>>64702944
you're trying too hard
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>>64702306

It wasn't.
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>>64702771
TFA has flaws but at least it's not fucking boring

Qui Gon and Obi Wan have the dullest, blankest expression on their face throughout the entirety of episode 1. and this is a space adventure movie that's supposed to be exciting?
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>>64703022
>Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate

I LOVE this pasta! Mind if I save it?


Rest of you prequelbros keep fighting that contrarian fight!
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>>64703057
Fuck off hater, go back to watching the OT
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>Well, what about Revenge of the Sith? You say it's the greatest work of art, in any medium, created in the last 30 years. It’s better than... uh, Matthew Barney or Rachel Whiteread or Chris Ware or Peter Doig?

>Yes, the long finale of Revenge of the Sith has more inherent artistic value, emotional power, and global impact than anything by the artists you name. It's because the art world has flat-lined and become an echo chamber of received opinion and toxic over-praise. It's like the emperor's new clothe —people are too intimidated to admit what they secretly think or what they might think with their blinders off.

PLEASE COME BACK GEORGE
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>/tv/ tries so hard to be contrarian they start to defend episode 1 now
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>>64703068
>Qui Gon and Obi Wan have the dullest, blankest expression on their face throughout the entirety of episode 1

Dude it's ok to admit you just don't get it. That was Lucas's commentary on the restrictive bureaucratic stuffiness of the Old Republic. And DUH! Jedi are supposed to be in control of their emotions!!
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I just wish TFA would have more original environments and less deserts, forests and shit we can find in our planet
Just use more CGI and less practical. Practical effects are boring
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>>64703123
the fuck are you even trying to saying

you're the one who brought up the OT
they're great movies but they have nothing to do with this thread
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>>64702581
Fuck off reddit
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>>64703244
Just telling all prequel haters like yourself to fuck off back to reddit tbqh
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>>64703262
>liking the prequels
>im reddit
>implying
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>>64703262
>anytime someone says something outside the accepted prequel narrative they must leave

Oh, hey there tumblr
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>>64703068

TFA has much better characters, which makes it more entertaining to watch. Overall plot, the prequels are better than TFA since they knew how it was going to end. The details get equally messy as TFA, but the creation of Vader is way more interesting than DSIII could ever be.

In comparing the two, I'd rather have people properly discuss the flaws of TFA than praise the prequels, but some people are still on the sugar rush of a new Star Wars movie.
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>>64703301
>>64703305
That post was about The Cuck Awakens you fucking reddit tourists. Go suck some Disney jew cock somewhere else
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>>64703298
stop pretending to be retarded
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>>64703336
He was comparing TFA to the prequels you double retard.
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>>64703213
>I just wish TFA would have more original environments and less deserts, forests and shit we can find in our planet
I agree with this.
>Just use more CGI and less practical. Practical effects are boring
I disagree with this. Dagobah was shot on a sound stage and was entirely practical. I'm sure future installments could do something similar.
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It was shot on film and had a more traditional art direction
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>>64703347
I like the prequels so I am smarter than you hater
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>>64703363
So you agree TFA isn't visually appealing then? Or are you a reddit tourist too?
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>>64703406
Well if you knew how to fucking read, you'd know that I don't.
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>>64703438
Go look at the posts again reddit retard.
Do you agree this guy is reddit for thinking TFA is visually appealing, or are you reddit? >>64702581
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>>64702306
>that annie drop
what shit
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>>64703493
No, because he's right. TFA is one of the most visually appealing SW movies yet.
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Why the fuck does everyone have to be so goddamn hyperbolic?
Everything here is either a masterpiece or the worst thing ever
The prequels are alright, TFA was alright

Not everyone has an ulterior motive to like or dislike something, so stop spouting "reddit" "contrarian" and "disney shill" like madmen, you wankers
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>>64703528
So you are reddit then
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>>64703373
:^)
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>>64703568
>waah reddit
>waah disney
Just off yourself.
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>>64703336
>The Cuck Awakens
This is the caliber of shitposter we share the board with. No effort, no wit, no subtlety. Just pimply teens, foaming at the mouth and drunk off their first exposure to true anonymity
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>>64703600
If you don't like it, then you can leave to your shill website reddit
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>>64702693
This. Why don't directors give a couple extra bucks to film on location?

I know, I know muh budget and all but when you've got a multi million dollar film just go the extra step.
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>>64703612
I love it dude, I love TFA, I love the prequels, I love the (you)'s. So I'm just gonna stay here and enjoy movies, while you do whatever it is you do
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>>64702608
epic xD
u le movie critic expert? :o
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>>64703612
>waah reddit
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>>64703664
>>64703611
>>64703600
Welcome to /tv/ reddit
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>>64703658
Hello, Reddit!
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>recorded on film rather than digitally
>more sets, miniatures, and physical locations
>people who aren't george lucas were in charge of the art design
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>>64702608
*tips fedora*
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TFA COULD have been alright if it had had anything close to an original storyline.
That is what fucks it. I'ts a competently made film for the most part but it doesn't have anything really new in it. It's a Disney remake.
John Carter, which is a hundred year old story and practically the first star warsy universe has more visual flair in it.
Disney fucked JC before it came out by fucking up the publicity.
The CGI characters in JC shit on the CGI characters in TFA from a great height.

You will probably dismiss this post as contrarianism if you don't have a counter argument against the visual quality of Tars Tarkus or Sola and the depth of character they have.
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>>64703658
>>64703753
have two (You)s, friend
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>>64703682
>waah reddit
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>>64703316
You can't properly discuss TFA until 5 years after the trilogy is finished.
You haven't been able to properly discuss the prequels until recently because retards immediately start spouting memes about Jar Jar and midichlorians.
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>>64702306
why didn't they just get off the ship and kill him, specially obi wan?

or they could have shot him with the ship's lasers
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>>64702970
Nostalgia.
The Original Trilogy can do no wrong, or you're a contrarian hipster redditor.
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>>64703826
>You haven't been able to properly discuss the prequels until recently

We can only discuss the memequel trilogy which ended 10 years ago now that it's the new epic, anti-reddit contrarian circlejerk? Gotcha thanks for clarifying.
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>>64702306
Wow, that scene was bullshit.
Rather than Obi-Wan joining Qui-Gon to defeat a lone Sith assassin right then and there in the open, like the Jedi are supposed to do, they just make a run for it like a bunch of bitches and allow Maul to continue working against them.
Lucas clearly wanted a final stand-off towards the end of the movie, with bullshit circumstances where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are conveniently cut-off from each other. But why include a scene like this then, that could have made that final battle redundant?
This kind of stuff is why the prequels are irredeemably bad.
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I'd be curious to know each boards use of "reddit" because it feels like /tv/ uses it a hundred times more than any other board I frequent.
Paranoia and memes.
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>>64703025
>I have no argument
Okay then.
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of course people are now reassessing the prequels.
We now have something new to compare them to.
Except, that is really the point. It's not truly new. It's a remake.
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>>64703909
f you use the word "contrarian," you're literally an idiot. It's a concept invented by idiots with reddit sensibilities who are too fragile to deal with criticism of mediocre media that has widespread appeal.

It's a troubling manifestation of millennials' mental weakness. Seriously, the only people who would even entertain any "argument" involving the concept of being "contrarian" are weak, lazy idiots who can't deal with criticism substantively.

If it bothers you that much that people criticize mediocre mass-marketed work designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, like Transformers, The Big Bang Theory, pop music, etc., you should find a safe bubble and stay there. Or kill yourself.
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>>64703931
So are you saying 4chan have ahit taste?
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>>64703931
>waah reddit
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>>64703992
Sorry to interrupt your thesaurus-ridden, rambling excuse for a paragraph

But I think you're getting worked up over nothing. The "arguments" you attempt to raise are not relevant to my post at all. So I'm going to politely ask you to refrain from replying until you wipe the dribble from your chin and develop some basic reading comprehension.
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TFA was so bad that it made people reevaluate the prequels
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>>64703930
Their job was literally to escort Queen Amidala to Coruscant to report on the invasion of Naboo.
Obi-Wan jumping down to help Qui-Gon defeat a random assailant that they don't know for sure is a Sith (killing Sith is not part of the Jedi's job, btw) would compromise that mission.
But hey, it's okay that you didn't understand a 17 year old movie made for children.
There's treatment for you available if you have the strength of will to seek it.
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>>64703992
>mental gymnastics
Based JJ triggering autistics anons with just one movie.
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>>64703206
wookiepedia pls go
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>>64703931
It's the anon who cried reddit!
Good job, you repeated this month's EBIN MEME! Please tear along the dotted line for a voucher coupon good for one FREE (You)!!

------------------------------

(You)
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>>64704104
Well parroted.
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>>64704197
it's true and you know it
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I was always frustrated with that based sequence because it was so short.
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>>64704112
>that they don't know for sure is a Sith

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
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>>64704190
>this month's
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>>64704112
>a random assailant that they don't know for sure is a Sith
yeah, cause they probably encounter so many random guys dressed in robes attacking Jedi with lightsabers

>killing Sith is not part of the Jedi's job, btw
it's like priority number one of the Jedi order

>it's okay that you didn't understand a 17 year old movie made for children
prequel defenders really are the most pathetic bunch
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>>64702715
because it is clearly inferior and there's no reason to like it.
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>>64703931
>I'll reply to each and every post in the thread that isn't a shitpost/meme and then I'll call them reddit! That's a good trick!
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>>64704230
Qui-Gon nor Obi-Wan had ever encountered a Sith before in their lives.
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lucas has always been a visionary hes just a godawful writer. thats why TFA feels flat, its uninspired and pandering to rehashed costumes and faux nerd culture
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>>64702306
It was also hugely appealing soundwise
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>>64704272
>it's like priority number one of the Jedi order
[citation needed]
>inb4 autismpedia citing EU-shit
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>>64704272
It's Star Wars. Hobos and bartenders wear robes. Hell in Revenge of the Sith fucking DROIDS wear robes.

And no, the eradication of the Sith has not been and never will be the primary focus of the Jedi order. You should really watch the movies you shitpost about.
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that qui gon force jump lmao
what a joke
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>>64703931
4 chan= over bloated CGI made with the idea to sell toys.

I couldn't agree more.
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>>64704222
Nah, it's just /tv/ got assblasted so hard that they started calling the prequels materpieces with no flaws. Nice mental gymnastics there ;^)
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>>64703931
>that George hair aesthetics
What a beautiful auteur
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Ok who here actually liked Phantom Menace?

I actually thought it was decent. Obvs not as as good as the OT but I thought it was a decent 7.

besides Mauls silly death, Darth JarJar and Anakins spinning trick what was really so bad about it?

It had the right amount of action and dialogue.
I always liked it really, the only star wars movie I seen where I didn't feel satisfied was with Attack of the clones and TFA.
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>>64704305
Based Burtt
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>>64704448
>Ok who here actually liked Phantom Menace?
After watching it for a 3rd time, not me. Good ideas, George Lucas execution.
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>>64704427
>yfw George is like twice Jar Jar's age and JJ has a receding hairline
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>>64704398
only trolls and memesters call the prequels masterpieces
they're ambitious movies that fail because of various factors (awkward dialogue, poor casting, too much cgi, etc), while TFA succeeds in its mediocrity

i prefer the former, but they both are pretty bad to be honest
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>>64702306
because unlike II there were at least a few sets that werent bluescreens
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>>64704448
Ok, it doesn't look like you're trolling or trying to fit in with the epic meme

So, I need you to write down the plot of the Phantom Menace, as best to your ability. The factors leading to the conflict, why the characters make the decisions they do, and why you felt this movie was necessary and why this story needed to be told in order to get the ball rolling for the Star Wars universe as we know it

It's a rainy Sunday, I certainly have nothing better to do. So I'll wait.

If you want extra credit you can apply the above prompt to TFA as well. Keep in mind "because $$$" is not an acceptable answer. Memes will be disregarded and no points awarded.
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>>64704448
The original trilogy is not that good either, excluding ESB, but I can already see the meme replies this post gets so whatever.
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>>64702944
>plinkett
Post disregarded.
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>>64704448
it's a shitty movie but since it used the most real locations and practical effects out of all the prequels i admire it for that at least

also duel of the fates is good, that's about it
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>>64704598
JJ has a neck and a white wife.

And people say he's a cuckmaster. Look at Lucas and his negroid familia
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>>64704636
>not that good either, excluding ESB
>A New Hope
>not that good

Have you even seen it?
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>>64704636
I agree with you 2bh
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>>64703025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanisms
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>>64704719
People complain about TFA moving too fast and yet I don't think there's a single unnecessary line of dialogue in ANH. It moves damn quick but it doesn't feel like an ADD Marvel movie line TFA
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The archetypes of good and evil are pretty well drawn form the start, then George makes great use of various 'shades of grey'. Qui-Gon's a bit of a gambler and a eugenicist, Kenobi's a little dull, Anakin's a chipper little Satan, etc.

George has a startling, somewhat British Imperial vision of what it's like to arrive in the midst of foreigners.

The aliens are truly alien beings in terms of ethos, not guys just like you and me who happen to look different (a la Malick and Abrams).

http://youtu.be/PMGCm5h-qLY
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>>64704855
Yeah Avengers 2 was ADD as fuck.
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>>64704843

Lmao
Thanks for the contribution but some of us have at least a high school education so we don't need a Wikipedia link going over the basics of psychology
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>>64704448
>besides Mauls silly death, Darth JarJar and Anakins spinning trick what was really so bad about it?

because after what you just listed, there is not much left other than discussing the trade blockade, and some video game battles
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>>64704887
I love it when people vomit $5 words trying to look like they know what they're talking about

>a little dull
>shades of grey

Top fookin kek
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>>64704934
B R A V O G E O R G E
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Why did the rest of the prequels get so dark?
The first one had such a clean appearance to them.
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>>64704719
It's not really that much better than the prequels.
But you're a nostalgia ridden manchild so I'll let that slide.
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>>64705085
Trying wayyy to hard TFA kiddie
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>>64705051

Which of those are difficult to understand for you, my sweet boy?
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>>64705057
Coruscant alone looks better than any other planet from the original trilogy or TFA
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>Patricians: Irvine Kershner
>Normies: Prime Lucas
>Plebs: all of them
>Psueds: Prequel Lucas
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>>64702306
Bright, rich colour palette, real sets, actual use of cinematography (in some scenes George actually moves the camera, and not every conversation is shot-reverse shot).
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>>64705085
stop memeing
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What do practical effects have to do with the quality of the film? People complain about Lucas being fixated with visual, but to me it seems like fans are the ones completely obsessed with them. You want realism in a fantasy film, and that seems almost completely counterintuitive to me. Star Wars is the exact type of film that should have an overabundance of cgi. If the story isn't compromised by it, then what's the harm?

>muh immersion

It's a fucking fantasy film.
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>>64702306

How did Maul know they were on Tatooine?
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>>64705125
Yeah, what else did Kershner do of note?

Here's a hint: nothing.
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>>64705125
Kershner was so patrician that didn't direct a single good movie besides ESB lol
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>>64702306
>Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul (Ta(...).webm
because it is. The prequels are a beautiful hot mess. I'd match again only on mute.
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>>64704958
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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>>64705069
thats literally the point anon
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>>64705115
I agree.
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>>64705108
>implying
TFA was a generic ADD action blockbuster that was highly derivative and masturbatory of the original trilogy and relied on nostalgia to get nerd points from manchildren and "le geeky girls and guys xD" who have literally never seen anything Star Wars related but recognize Darth Vader from Big Bang Theory.
With shitty performances of Ford, Fischer, Ridley, Driver, Gleeson and fucking John Williams of all people.
How shitty must a movie be that John fucking Williams pushes out a shitty score.
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>>64705188
Never Say Never Again is quite good dude.
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>>64705113
I'm not a boy you memeshitter
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The shit of episode one: Young Anikin, Natalie Portman, Jar Jar and Gungans in general, cringe-worthy CGI, debatably racist aliens, and debatably the midichlorians.
The good of episode one: pretty much everything else
The great of episode one: Ian McDiarmid's Palpatine, Darth Maul, and Ewan McGregor.
If you're willing to look past these flaws, what you've got is a worthy prequel. At least the prequels tried something new with the series, despite their flaws.
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>>64702626
>doesn't know what a jump cut is
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>>64705261
hey now

Driver was alright in it
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>>64705051
They don't turn Kenobi into a Mary Sue is what I'm saying. He's a great character, dedicated to what he thinks is 'Democracy' and so on.

In the first movie, we see what he's like as an apprentice, he can't think laterally, he doesn't suspect the Trade Federation initially and he can't anticipate his master's thoughts in gambling on the boy. This could have been played for laughs so that everyone would get it, but it wasn't really. It's subtle.

In the second, we see that while Kenobi is still calm under pressure, he uses that to his advantage. Anakin contrasts with him because he's younger.

It's really only in Episode III that we're supposed to consider Kenobi's failures in making use of the most powerful force user in history. He was out of his league as an adopted parent, and like everyone else he didn't suspect Sheev or even seek to criticize the Senate. He doesn't understand why Counts like Dooku would rebel from the Senate, or what he had in common with his old master. You get the sense that George respects Kenobi's moral consistency, but ultimately admires Qui-Gon and Count Dooku, or any mature rebel from decayed social customs.
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>anakin made c3po
Is Anakin like that kid who made the brief case bomb but it didn't go off so he told everyone it was just a clock and they gave him money for it?
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>>64705416
Yes, but Anakin was paid for C3PO by his mom dying.
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>>64705347
Palpatine is hands down the best sci-fi villain.
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>>64704934
I want to fuck Yaddle so bad
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>>64705261
Just shows how putoff people were by the prequels that they embrace this film unironically.
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>>64705347
You should add moisture farmer robes being the official Jedi getup to the shit list.
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>>64705383
>Kenobi is still calm under pressure
>jumps out of window onto flying droid
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>>64702306
>that fucking terrible animation of maul jumping off the bike and then striking

y i k e s
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>>64705729
I actually thought it was okay. It wasn't perfect but this was the 90s CGI and it looks smooth and quick enough and is sort of a necessary effect.
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>>64705347
>debatably racist aliens, and debatably the midichlorians.

mmidichlorians being shit is undebatable, and although I think Jar Jar is a racist caricature, I could agree that it is debatable, but Watto is not debatable
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>>64705980
>racist

m8 sci fi has always drawn upon existing cultures in order to aid the audience in relating to a fictional world
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>>64705980
What about midichlorians makes them shit?
They're not powerlevels, and they never were.
It's just a dude explaining why people can use magic to an 8 year old boy in a more civilized age with a greater understanding of the universe.
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>>64703022
>Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.

Literally the funniest thing that's ever been on 4chan
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Simple ways to drastically improve the Prequel Trilogy:

1. The Jedi Order is made up of about ten to fifteen individuals (basically the Council + Obi-Wan and Anakin is now the entirety of the Order).

2. Darth Maul survives Episode 1, and takes Saruman's place in Episode 3, being executed by Anakin.

3. Anakin is significantly older in Episode 1, roughly Luke's age in Episode 4.

4. Jar-Jar is a more serious character, similar to Tonto in the Lone Ranger. He is a softspoken native who leads our heroes through the harsh forests of Naboo.

5. The Clone Army are not all clones of Jango Fett (he doesn't appear), but rather is an army composed of clones from a selected group of "perfect soldiers" with strong soldier genes.

6. The battle in Episode 2 is significantly smaller. Anakin duels Dooku, Obi-Wan duels Darth Maul, and Padme is help captive by the Seperatists. The arrival of the Clone Army hastily ends the battle.

7. Episode 3 ends with Anakin left on Mustafar, assumed dead, and Padme preparing to give birth. This helps preserve the twist in Episode 5.

8. Yoda doesn't pull out his little laser sword to fight Dooku or Palpatine. Dooku is fought by Anakin, and Palpatine never fights anyone.

9. Grevious doesn't cough incessantly, he is a fierce warrior who acts as a foreshadowing of Vader. He is strictly honor-bound, refusing to execute the Jedi but instead preferring to duel them one-on-one.

10. The Obi-Wan/Anakin fight is much shorter and more believable. They duel on the banks of the lava river, eventually making their way to the river's edge where Obi-Wan defeats Anakin and leaves him to die.
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>>64706710
I disagree with
>1
Eh seems like there's worse stuff than this.

>5
They should just be dudes, not clones or perfect soldiers.

>6
Also seems unnecessary, the battle at the very end is not the thing that ruins the movie.

>7
This one is tougher to think about coz it's pretty radical and I've never considered it.
Others are good though.
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>>64706087
That's exactly it. The Force is magic, and knowing the inner workings of the magic will only hurt said magic. A big factor involved with what makes a good fantasy plot is how much the audience knows. While Star Wars is science fiction, the Force is very fantasy inspired.
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>>64707187
>While Star Wars is science fiction
What?

>confirmed for never having seen science fiction
Star Wars is and always has been fantasy.
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>>64702306

Why were Anakin and Qui Gon running during the next shot anyway

Did they realize they were being chased? Why was it shot in such a way as to tell the viewer the characters were going to be chased before the characters themselves?
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>>64703068

>not boring

I fell asleep for the first 45 minutes, it was terrible
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>>64707409
They knew they were being tracked, they rushed back to the ship before they were confronted. It's the only reason they escaped, if Qui Gon hadn't seen and destroyed the tracking droid Maul would have confronted them in Tatooine and killed them both probably.
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>>64705353
are you an idiot? the first shot cuts with maul only half turned. next shot begins with him completely turned and walking

take a film class sometime
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>>64705353
>>64707530
and if you're still not convinced it's a jump-cut, try looking at it frame by frame, moron
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>>64707187
Midichlorians don't explain the inner workings of the Force though.
Just an explanation on why people can use magic.
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>>64702306
Honestly Lucas surpassed visionaries such as Fellini with his imagery. Truly a misunderstood genius
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>>64705347
Natalie Portman was pretty good, I liked her. The CGI is okay once you accept that it's going to look like a kid's movie.

Darth Maul was my least favorite thing about TPM. The guy has no charisma, you can tell it's not an actor, it's just a martial arts guy in makeup. The moment where he shows up during the final battle is so cheesy, with him facing down and looking up menacingly.
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>>64707704
>The guy has no charisma, you can tell it's not an actor, it's just a martial arts guy in makeup.
But he's the only guy who looks good in any of the prequel fights. He makes it look stylish as fuck, swizzing around and force throwing shit around as he goes.

>Natalie Portman was pretty good, I liked her.
She gave a fuck in this film because it was her breakthrough, and she was still young enough to be fuckable.
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>>64705347
>if you're willing to look past 80% of the movie, it's good
Why even bother?
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>>64707774
>But he's the only guy who looks good in any of the prequel fights

I'd credit that more to the fight in general, choreography and writing etc. And I disagree, the only part I like about that fight (besides the setting) is McGregor is at the end after Qui-Gon dies, when he gets all brutal and direct in his style, it reflects his emotion and actually creates some story for the fight for a moment.

>She gave a fuck in this film because it was her breakthrough, and she was still young enough to be fuckable.

I never got the impression she's phoning it in throughout the trilogy. She always sells it, even when there's not a lot to work with.
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>Before TFA, the prequels were considered so bad that they became memes (pic related)
>Post TFA, saying the prequels are good/better is now a meme

>tfw you apparently can't enjoy TFA while appreciating what the prequels brought to the saga, even if it wasn't a well-written masterpiece
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5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 2 = 1
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>the prequels are good now

Is the beginning of an epic meme?
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>>64708606
Just kids growing up
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>>64703066
I hated TPM, and while the character models in that scene look awful, I actually did like the design of the underwater city.
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Anyone got that flick/movie/film/cinema/kino image?
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>>64705153
Jar Jar snitched
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>>64708573
5=1>4=7>3>2>6
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>>64708796
How has the move to 4chan been going for you Reddit?
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>>64703996
>>64704002
>>64704190
>>64704276
>>64704367
Hello, Reddit!
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>>64708844
ROTJ is cinematic trash

7 is a painfully average movie

5 and 1 create immersive worlds
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>>64708894
>defending 1

Sweet memes are made of this
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>>64706710
>9. Grevious doesn't cough incessantly, he is a fierce warrior who acts as a foreshadowing of Vader. He is strictly honor-bound, refusing to execute the Jedi but instead preferring to duel them one-on-one.
Why not continue using Maul then? Maybe in 1 or 2 episode Obi Wan mortally wounds him and that forces Sheev to test his Darth Vader suit prototype. Once Anakin's done for, Sheev uses the perfected version to resurrect him.
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>>64702581
Hello Reddit!
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>>64703931
literally thread.
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>>64708943
Reddit minds will disagree
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>>64702306
I can't even remember what the point of Darth Maul was now. Was he just a random baddie?
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>>64708606
Hello Reddit!
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>>64709632
He was basically there to prevent the Queen (or her supposed 'decoy') from pleading the case of Naboo in the Senate. After Maul fails at killing the Queen, she is able to present herself at a session in which Chancellor Vellorum is replaced with Palpatine.

The lingering question is... If Palpatine (as Sidious) had succeeded in killing the Queen, how would he have proceeded?

Did Palpatine tell Maul to concentrate on killing Qui-Gon because he was a greater threat than the somewhat less inventive Kenobi?
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>>64709632
He's the pure manifestation of fear lurking at the edge of the democratic imagination which bursts into phantasmic reality as a test of ones virtue.
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>>64709804
I think you're reading into it too much m8, it's only star wars.
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>>64709804
>The lingering question is... If Palpatine (as Sidious) had succeeded in killing the Queen, how would he have proceeded?

most likely Sheev would be able to militarize the Republic and whip up a Separatist movement a lot sooner
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>>64709804

Either way Palpatine wins.

If the queen gets killed off and the TF occupy Naboo he uses sympathy votes to become chancellor.

If the queen makes a case he uses sympathy votes to become chancellor.

He basically rigged the game so he wins no matter what.

He probaly prefers the queen dead since he has more control over the situation and (as we can see from the following movies) he wants the TF to grow stronger so he can eventually create the separatists.

Either way it works out for him.
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>>64708844

>Liking the Prequels makes you from reddit

Completely the opposite.

Redditors are so desperate to belong, that they mindlessly attack the prequels, to get nerd cred.
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>>64702306
>That poor "drop" by Anikin
>Half the fight close ups of clothing moving
>Just jumps on to the ship without and aggression

Top zzz
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>>64703531
this
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>>64703531
Hello Reddit!
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>>64702364
Oh the "I hate TFA cause it's popular meme" my favorite.
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>>64710410
fuck off you imbecile with your repetative boring mindless responses
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>>64706710
not preserving the Father twist was detrimental to the prequels.
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>>64702644
Episode 1 was genuinely okay, but was a downward spiral into Episode 2, which was god awful, and Episode 3 helped to redeem it a bit by making up for it in a lot of drama.
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>>64710387
Hello
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I'm surprised more people have not made a fuss in recent times over how the prequels were changed from their original cinematic version when they were released on home video formats.

There are some pretty big differences, and the Phantom Menace is the one that gets hit hardest. The original theatrical version of The Phantom Menace has never been officially released. It had very different color timing, different audio, a puppet Yoda, and myriad of other smaller differences.
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>>64702306
>E1
>visually appealing
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The over use of CGI ruined the fucking movie. And of course Lucas's lack of good direction. And shitty actor/actress choices. And the hundreds of plot holes. MIDICHLORIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>64710926

Hello, Reddit
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>>64710410
The force awakens had less stuff that overtly bad compared to the prequels, but that was overshadowed by the fact that it just felt completely soulless, even compared to the prequels. It's like it was written and directed by an algorithm rather than a human being. Han Solo shouldn't have been in the movie and took way too much screen time that could otherwise have gone toward developing the characters.

It was a marvel movie with a Star Wars coat of paint.
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>>64706710
>7 to preserve the twist in E5 the opening scroll of ROTS should;ve read like "Amadala has been kidnapped by the evil DARTH VADER. Obi-Wan Kenobi, grieving over the loss of his student, Anakin, is in pursuit." Every generation should enjoy being BTFO with "No, I am your Father."
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>>64711420
>It was a marvel movie with a Star Wars coat of paint.

this 2bh
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>>64702306
Because despite his flaws, George Lucas understands visual storytelling.
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>>64711705
yeah jar jar binks was some great visuals
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>>64703931
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my script... and my ideas... even my characters. The saga I've lost... the world I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past."
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>>64703022
I don't like sand
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>>64704632
Not him, but I'll give it a shot.

Plot
>a trade dispute has led to a diplomatic crisis on Naboo, Jedi are sent to solve it, these are all the details we are given, except that the crisis is being manufactured by some asshole in a robe
>unfortunately one of the jedi sent was a mentally handicapped old man named Qui Gon Jin who was incapable of acting rationally, though we are led to believe otherwise
>jin decides to visit the gungans because he's a huge bioshock fan, and takes jarajar with him because he knew he'd need him for the plot later
>rescues the queen who the bad guys want to sign a treaty
>they escape from the worst blockade in existence (this is key right here, and why the republic didn't care about the invasion, the bad guys blockade was so shitty nothing bad was ever actually happening on the planet)
>forced to land on tatooine because the force awakened
>qui gon concocts a brilliant scheme to bankrupt a junk dealer who pissed him off and get his own slave
>it works
>they go to coruscant so sheev can be made chancellor
>they go back to naboo and qui gon tries to get thegungans wiped out by forcing them to fight an army of battledroids
>some more shit happens, nothing important really
>obi wan decides to train anakin to honor his life partner's dying wish
>the end

This movie was necessary because fuck you pod racing.
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>>64711840
Yeah, C3PO is the apex of visuals.
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>>64711937
c-3p0 is more aesthetic than most droids in the SW universe.
nice try kid
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>>64702581
>Visually appealing
>Literally everything has the same shitty mcdisney visual style used since Iron man 1

It's so sad how brainwashed you millenials are
by mass media that you will eat any turd Hollywood shit out.
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>>64711978
Literally a gilded faggot tin man.
IG-88 or GONK droid are a thousand times better.
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>>64707305
He's right though. Space Opera is one of the oldest genres of science fiction. Only tryhards argue otherwise.
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>>64712058
not credible
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someone just needs to do a thorough analysis of the actual shots and compare Lucas style prequel shots compared to ep. 7

i want to say lucas tended to spend a lot more time on wider shots that established the full environment and avoided all the quick cuts and pans that JJ loves, but that is just relying on my shoddy memory
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>>64702306
actually there's one good shot in this movie: The one of Darth Maul watching the royal Starship take off, at the very end of this sequence. The rest looks like utter shit.
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>>64712217
He did wide shots to establish scale and also understood the pacing and visual narrative structure of an action scene.

The way J.J shoots, everything looks like it was shot on a greenscreen soundstage.
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>>64712789
Sometimes /tv/ is so funny that I fear my sides migth just vanish somewhere in the dark, eternal night of space
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>>64702306
Why do you need to constantly remind us of these fucking pieces of shit? What do you get out of this, asshole?
12 years old my ass, you're evil as fuck.
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>>64713609
Hello Sir. Please keep in mind that the whole "contrarian" schtick is basically what /tv/ gets its kicks from.
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>>64702306
ehhh i don't think so tim. the battle between the gungans and droids at the end is playstation 1 tier.
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>>64706710
>1
Make no sense. Especially with what's implied in the OT.
>2
Lucas actually regretted killing Maul in TPM. That's why he brought him back in TCW and he's a very decent villain.
>3
Ruins the point Lucas was trying to make. I didn't agree with it but after watching the documentary and rewatching TPM, I understand his choice.
>6
You know it was suppose to be just Anakin vs Dooku? But the grand style of the battle was something Lucas always wanted to show in Star Wars. Read the novel to ANH, it was suppose to be a grand dogfight but technology was limited.
>7
I'm tired of this. Nothing preserves the twist in 5. It's EVERYWHERE in pop culture. I had my nephew saying "I am your father" and he didn't even know where it came from. I mean you have Tiny Toons and Toy Story 2 making these jokes.
>8
Why? They were always intended to be master swordsman. Always. Technology was so limited during the 80/70s
>9
Watch TCW. As Grievous gets shit done but he has some serious psychological problems.
>10
The fight is just as long as Luke vs Vader.
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>>64713711
TFA isn't as well liked as you'd imagine
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>>64714094
Oh, that wasn't at all what I was implying. No Sir. I had quite a few friends who felt thoroughly bummed by TFA's "cheap fanservice". And while I see their point, I for one felt well entertained.
I think you CAN feel reasonably entertained by this movie without either praising it to the skies and back or disregarding each and every positive point about this movie and hating its guts.
No, I agree that at some points the references and the fanservice were quite bothersome. Funnily enough it was more the small "wink wink, geddit?"-moments that bothered me (like Finn rummaging through stuff on the Falcon and finding Luke's stupid "training ball" thingumajig) than the plot that borrowed so heavily from ANH that one critic famously declared it a "glib facsimile".

But do I have to like the prequels because I don't regard TFA as some sort of "elder god-tier salvation movie"?
FUCK NO!
Ep. I sucked. It sucked fuckin major donkey balls. It SUCKED!
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>>64705115

I remember that old Jango Fett game that came out around AotC's release. The Coruscant levels were amazing. That planet has a great atmosphere, it's really comfy.
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>>64703754
I agree with this. Though John Carter also seemed unoriginal to the masses because it basicly served as inspiration for a lot of the big scifi films of the 20th century.
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>>64705511
that fucking smug

I love him
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