>Claim to be an Empire on a galactic scale >Be completely

>>64701932
Who gives a shit

>>64701932
How else is an empire supposed to function on a galactic scale? Governors are necessary tools for real life empires on Earth, and those are made up of regions separated by land and sea - imagine being separated by space.

>>64701932
>implying that means the Empire is decentralized

The power structure changed; the senate was abolished and the regional military governors, who are directly under the Emperor's command, were formally put in charge of their respective territories. If anything, the Imperial government became more centralized.

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>>64702046
>Every governor does what he wants
>All the planets in the OT (Tatooine, Bespin) are lawless self-ruled places without any Stormtrooper garrison even if they are Imperial territories
>Most likely because local Jabbas payed off the governors
>That fact allows the rebels to escape erry time
>More centralized

and each Governor now has the threat of the Death Star to keep rebellion down
more world building and careful thought put into these films than people want to give them credit for, even though they are just fantasy pulp
certainly more thought than a remake of an old movie
fucking tracers

>>64702186

Tarkin never said that the governors are independent. If anything, he implies that they are under direct control of the Emperor since he says that they don't have to worry about any red tape anymore.

Tatooine was not in the Empire
it is a rimward world about as far from the center of the Empire as possible
That's why Kenobi went there to hide

>>64702298
Does the Emperor feel in charge?

>>64702186
>>Every governor does what he wants

The governors are military governors, the Emperor is the supreme commander of the imperial military; hence, the Emperor centralized his power by eliminating the legal decentralization of the Senate and replacing it with a smaller cadre of diehard military loyalists that are UNDER HIS DIRECT COMMAND.

Those planets are backwaters on the fringes of the Empire, and Hutt Space is a thing because the Empire doesn't really need to divert resources to police these places. Seriously, it's like you don't even know what the word "decentralization" means.

>>64701932

>governors have direct control over their territories

>basically implies that each territory is its own "country"

>The Empire is basically just a giant death ball that flys around and blows up all the planets in your territory if you dont do what they say

lol what kind of government is this? It just douns like a gang going around collecting their protection money

>>64702298
>If anything, he implies that they are under direct control of the Emperor
But decentralization doesn't mean independence. It means confederation. Not Empire

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Because they fucked it up

Lucas original idea was that royal fammilies fight with each other like some jap clans
New writers and editors fucked this idea up

All empires have governors. Because an empire tends to form from the land being far too big to be ruled by other means (see: arguments for why the Roman Republic had to become an Empire).

Thus governors are necessary to control individual massive territories. What tends to happen is that they use enough money produced from their zone needed to fund said zone and then add all other profits to a centralised 'treasury' which is handled by the central government.

Without micro-control over an empire, rebellions are successful ever more so and the empire is shitly run

>>64701932

The regional governors can do what the fuck they like, but if they're paying space taxes to the empire then they're part of it.

Governors are appointed by the Emperor.
There is no democracy and each governor does the Emperor's bidding (or they will be replaced)
All Empires are the same when they get too big. No-one can oversee every place on a day to day basis.

Empire = protection racket

That is EXACTLY what empires are.

>>64702575
What's that from?

>>64702760
Boku no Vader

>>64701932
Tarkin's next line is "Fear will keep them in line. Fear of this battle station." If the governors do anything the Empire doesn't like, they'll threaten to blow up their planet.

Which makes me wonder how the Empire managed to keep control after the Death Star was destroyed.

>>64702851
That line referred to people, not governors
Though your question is still valid. A lot has changed between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back lore-wise

>>64702760

Its a comic book adaptation of the original star wars script

>>64702575
>Lucas original idea was that royal fammilies fight with each other like Dune

fixed that for you

>>64702421

That's right! Because they didn't decentralize you dumbass. The governors are working for Palpatine. No senate means that the Emperor is in complete control.

>>64702945
>Dune invented families

>>64702851
>Which makes me wonder how the Empire managed to keep control after the Death Star was destroyed.

The Death Star had a firepower equivalent to "half the star fleet". It's loss was a blow for sure, but the Empire was doing well keeping control with just the fleet for 20+ years. I'd imagine a Star Destroyer had enough firepower on it's own to glass entire cities.

>>64702851
>Which makes me wonder how the Empire managed to keep control after the Death Star was destroyed.

They didnt. More systems joined the rebel alliance because of it. Leia says it herself, "the tighter you hold on the more they will slip through your fingers"

They all hate the empire and stab them in the back because none of them are loyal to it.

>>64702985
Don't forget the Death Star was a secret as well. The galaxy at large didn't really know about it until after it was destroyed.

>>64702680
that is the basic idea of feudalism yes

>>64702981

>space adventure about royal families fighting each other

they even have a fucking Baron Harkkonen clone in the comic

>>64702960
But Palpatine told Windu "[He] is the Senate!"

>>64702186
>>64702308

>Before the arrival of the Empire, Bestine was primarily a farming and mining community. But following the rise of the Empire, Bestine became the seat of Imperial power on Tatooine. As a result, it was considered to be the most cosmopolitan and cultured settlement on Tatooine. It was, in many ways, considered to be a, "gem of Imperial politics." Due largely to the influx of Imperial personnel and their credits, Bestine flourished while other cities on Tatooine struggled. Bestine was once a modest agrarian township, but had since grown to become a thriving economic hub. Bestine attracted a large number of honest merchants, interested in doing legitimate business. Bestine was also considered to be the safest of all cities on Tatooine. Imperial stormtroopers would patrol the streets, defending citizens from thugs and random Tusken Raider attacks. While the city was considered very safe, it still was not completely devoid of thugs populating the slums of Bestine.

>>64701932
>Claim to have become the master
>still a sith bitch boy
D R O P P E D

>>64703103
Uhh Vader is his bitch

>>64702186

also

>Another location of note was a small Imperial garrison, which stood on top of a hill overlooking Bestine.

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>>64701932
>a child is able to communicate with a sentient, talking simian and a thieving anthropomorphic fox while going on ridiculously dangerous adventures in the jungle.

D R O P P E D

>>64702680
>Empire = protection racket

This. Bespin was independent from the empire and had its own military and everything, then the Empire finds out about it, marches its military in and just says "do what we want or we will kill everyone" and then they are part of then thats it, they are part of the empire

>>64701932
It's exactly what the third Reich did when creating GAUs. It's not decentralizing but bringing people in charge you can control and order directly!

>>64703124

No, Vader isnt part of the military so none of the general or whatever give a shit about him and think hes stupid. Hes just the Emperors henchman

>OP doesn't understand how basic government works

Sounds like someone D R O P P E D out of high school.

>>64703238
well he's actually the emperor's apprentice and probably successor but nobody knows that.

Still Vader takes orders from Tarkin

>>64702186
>implying it was different in rome

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>>64703308
That worked out fore them really well, didn't it?

>>64703065
Why are you quoting this EU stuff?
Why not just go back 3000 years to the hayday of Tatooine?
None of this makes sense of anything seen in ANH or TPM by the way.

>>64703344
one of the longest lasting empires of all time. So yeah, it did

>>64703124
Im talking about the part where Vader talks to obi and says "when I left you I was a learner but now I am the master. obi goes :only master of evil darth" etc but Vader does not have a title of master

>>64703266
>successor

Vader was almost certainly not the Emperor's successor. I'm pretty sure Tarkin was, at least in the EU.

>>64703257
more likely he was dropped by high school

>>64703425
Vader would be the only Sith lord left and everything pales in comparison to the dark side so Vader would almost certainly take the empire by force if he didn't inherit it.

>>64703344
yes + note that the church outlived rome

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>>64703392
Master Cuck
>He is white
>Hides himself behind a full black uniform
>Imitate the voice of a nigger

>>64703425
wut? thats not true even in EU

The Roman Empire BECAME the Catholic Church

Protection racket? Yup. Do what we say or go to Hell for eternity.

>>64703526
Not really no. Parts of the western empire's duties may have been picked up by the Church but also by the HRE.

Not to mention the ERE was still around

>>64702186

But Tatooine DOES have stormtrooper garrisons. Remember Mos Eisley? And Bespin was outside the control of the Empire because Lando actively tried really hard to keep it that way, but once he crossed paths with Han and co, he sold Cloud City out to Vader.

>galaxy is at war!
>republic vs. separatists
>hundred of thousands of worlds engulfed
>the republic army is made of 1.2 million clones
>coruscant, capital of the republic, has 100 billion inhabitants alone
Who ever thought of that shit

Why'd Monster Mash wait that long to demolish the senate?

Was he conducting hearings while having a monster face?

>>64703454
Are you serious? The military would never support him. He made too many enemies and inspired no loyalty by killing off a large portion of the top brass.

>>64703487
people of the same race can't cuck each other, they can only horn. also your play up does not work,it neither shows vader as cucked or as cucky

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>>64703576

>>64703567
Vader sent these troopers from his Stardestroyer tho, they were not already there.

>>64703526
Church was the one that saved roman legal methods,writing and basically most of the culture that the new rulers did not have.

>>64703614
Actually most of the military loved him. He was beloved by the soldiers for fighting alongside them and for blaming officers, not them when shit went bad....of course this meant that officers were less than pleased with him but still, he had the backing of most of the military.

>>64703576
>>the republic army is made of 1.2 million clones
says who?
>>64703585
he feared more rebellion if he just told everyone to shut the fuck up and obey.when the death star was complete the last shadow of that fear died

>>64703614
>>64703711
this, history is full of men like that talking over empires.

The Catholic Church is the greatest protection racket ever invented.
If you don't pay up God will damn you for eternity.
There is no greater threat and no greater leverage than God's wrath.
It's the perfect racket.

>>64703859
I see that you know nothing of the Church

>>64703886
I see you are fucking idiot

>>64703906
what makes you think that?

>>64703859
During the late Renaissance period, for sure

knights templar where real bros and have been slandered for nothing.

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>>64704082
From my point of view, the Templars are evil

>>64704007
exactly
dynasties like the Borgias were essentially the proto-mafia

the other people on this thread don't realise we are generally talking historically here and have knee jerked themselves into a stupour

>>64704082
they're the reason the west is cucked now

so they deserve all the hate they get.

>>64701932
>what is roman empire?

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>>64703576

Story should have been the republic vs another confederacy of independent systems fighting over boarder systems between them.

The Republic has no official military, just the militaries of each system band together and for whatever reason, Currosant system has no military even though its population makes up like a 1/4th of the entire republic and The independent confederacy (IC) have a much smaller military.

So the IC starts cloning monsters and shit and start kicking the republics ass and taking more and more systems. So then this guy Sheev comes along and uses his charisma to reach the top and finally convince them to do away with the "no courrosant military" and makes the largest military the republic has ever seen. Then he starts winning battle after battle, then he just keeps going and taking systems in the enemy territory the republic never had. Then when people in the republic complain he says "deal with it fag, I own the most powerful military ever, what are you going to do?"

And then, he finally takes the entire galaxy pretty much. Also, all this time the jedis are oppsoed to war and try to seek peacfull ends, but Sheev is shitting on them in politics and people are already kind of tired of their spiritual bullshit until he finally gets enough power to just holocaust them all.

fuck all that trade tax bullshit

>>64704252
yes. clones wars should've been clones v clones

fuck all that droid shit (except grevious because he was based)

>>64704244
A state ruined by its own "regional governors" once the imperial novelty had worn off.

>>64701932
This is something that always bothered me about Samurai Jack; Aku is the supreme ruler of Earth, yet every culture and region seems to govern itself.

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>>64702186
So the Roman Empire wasn't an Empire either?

And don't forget that this arrangement made the Empire so shitty that they couldn't catch Han Solo and Co. without paying bounty hunters.

>>64704161
in what way are they to blame for west being cucked

>>64704933
Sacking Constantinople before the Ottomans attacked.

So how oppressive was the Empire within movie continuity? Did they place crippling taxes on the people? It's obvious that they did censorship, but so long as people live prosperously with their creature comforts, they're not as inclined to rebel. Especially if the Empire isn't too heavy-handed and actually instills law & order for communities.

>>64705119
>So how oppressive was the Empire within movie continuity?


they blew up a planet, killing probably billions of innocent people just to prove a point. They didnt even really plan it either, they just got a new weapon and were like "wait, isnt that prisoner we have from this planet?"

Also, they were ruled over by a monster that jerked off to the devil

>>64705323
I mean, from the POV of the everyday citizen within the Empire.

Yeah, I know the Empire is capable of genocide and other brutal tactics, but that's against the Rebel Alliance and anyone associated with them.

>>64705373

Theres a few deleted scenes explaining it in the original though, about how Luke and his friends hated it to.

It was also kind of interesting because the way people would become pilots for the rebellion was to join the empire, get trained, and then run away

>>64705439
>It was also kind of interesting because the way people would become pilots for the rebellion was to join the empire, get trained, and then run away
Yeah I remember that line about the Academy.

Wouldn't alarm bells go off if a Luke Skywalker from Tattoine was a cadet? Because surely that would come across Darth's attention.

>>64705119
>Did they place crippling taxes on the people?
Palpatine did a version of this back before the rise of the Empire just to get himself the seat of Supreme Chancellor, so once he was in power he probably pulled all kinds of stunts. And in the Special Edition scenes of Coruscant, Tatooine, etc. at the end of RotJ, we see people celebrating and pulling down Imperial statues. So public opinion was probably mixed.