>they made Amberle into even more of a special snowflake compared to the book
>chosen are selected by the magic tree for seemingly random reasons
>female chosen have happened before in times of need though a bit uncommon
>her grandfather the king is super proud of her being chosen and upset when she runs away
>she isnt a good fighter being a princess turned healer
>chosen have some dumb hunger games shit to get selected that girls never win because physical strength
>first female chosen EVER so special!
>grandad hates me being chosen but I DO WHAT I WANT grrrl power
>suddenly able to fight on par with a rover girl
then there lots of other changes that dumb it down like Allanons love interest, Ander being a party bro (???), Dagda Mor being a elf druid rather than an actual demon (though I guess this is to link the Illdatch to the story more in the hope of adapting the next book), Wil having basically no skills compared to his years of healer training in the book.
Dagda Mor was a "former" elf Druid, though. he went bad and became a demon thousands of years ago, and got himself sealed up as a result.
One thing I did like about the show, though, is the opening montage and how they actively show that the world isn't some generic fantasy place, but it's actually a post-apocalypse Earth (which it is, in the books) after "magic has come back" to the world following the demise of technology because everybody nuked themselves back into the stone age.
And how they displayed the races of dwarves, trolls and gnomes all springing from humans, but left the elves absent... because the elves AREN'T mutated humans, they're fairies who lost their magic and became normal.
I read it recently and he isnt a former druid at all. Demons were the bad fae creatures and this all predated druids by thousands of years. Elves were on the good side of that conflict and didn't really go into detail about specific people.
Unless you're getting this from a later book I haven't read. On ElfQueen at the minute and going by production order
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They changed it so he's a former one who became a demon, not just a demon outright.
Although as I recall, in the books Allanon actually says that both sides were elves, because the distinction wasn't really made. They were all "fae" back then, just that some fae had one opinion and some had another. It was the war and the thousands of years of imprisonment that changed things.
But it's been a while.
Oh yeah that makes sense. Just weird to mention druids and then the Illdatch this early though.
Though it's annoying, they'll NEVER adapt Sword because of how close to LotR it is. The original trilogy would probably fit 3 films better than a show and then the 4 Heritage books would make a better show, but whatever.
I don't really mind that they won't adapt Sword because of the LotR-fanfic it mostly is. Starting from Elfstones was a good choice from that perspective, and then they can follow through to Wishsong (especially with how heavily they're going on the "all magic has its price" thing, because the effects of the Elfstones on the Ohmsford family line is pretty damn significant). And given the Ildatch references, I'm hoping that Wishsong will get adapted as well. That's enough material for a couple of seasons, at least.
Jumping from Wishsong to the Heritage books might be a bit of an issue, though. Guess it depends how many seasons they get and use, but a TV series could do better with Heritage than Elfstones.
I haven't read the books so don't spoil me but after humans nucked each other it mutated us in to all the different creatures and somehow magic came in to place because of druids? Do elfs have powers or magic? If druids have magic then why they die out and rovers (humans) survive? What exactly was the race war and if they still have like ruins of Cars and satellites and it's been thousands if years why don't they have like at least some advancement of technology
ok so the world setting in very general terms
>start of the world, full of magic fae creatures
>humans arrive and technology happens, magic and fae creatures fade away slowly but are still there in secret
>humans fuck up the world with technology and maybe magic in a big nuke war
>some humans survive (rovers are just 1 kind, more like a gypsy society than the whole species)
>other humans get mutated as fuck
>they use the old names of mythical creatures because why not
>elves re-emerge now there is a lot less humans around
>the different races fuck each other up for a bit with lots of small wars
>druids get established where the wisest of all races come together to stop fighting
>druids eventually rediscover magic and pass the knowledge around
>another war between all the races because a druid goes too far
>that war ends, years pass and the druids fade out
>cut to first book where allanon is the last druid and the elfstones are the last other source of magic known about
>wils father (grandfather in the books) does the events of the first book
>cut to 2nd book (this show)
oh and elves used to have magic back in the fae days but since they arrived back to being visible, they forgot it all. The closest to magic they have left is the Ellcrys and being able to take care of nature really well.
Well, bear in mind that like 99% of the following is only known to the Druids and select sages/scholars in the setting:
Basically, way way back before civilisation began, the fae had a huge war amongst themselves. The losers were sealed up in the Forbidding and became demons.
When humans arose, though, and science/technology began to grow, magic began to fade and die out. So the elves/fae retreated into their forests, deeper and deeper, preserving what they had left. When humans nuked each other to oblivion, and over subsequent years all mutated into creatures that took on the identity of storied fae creatures (trolls, dwarves, etc.), the elves emerged alongside the humans. They no longer had their magic, but now worked together.
Around a while afterward, the Druids were founded (taking their name from "an order of scholars from the Old World"). In the new world, the Druids began to rediscover magic rather than technology, in particular one guy called Brona, who took a tome of eldritch power, the Ildatch, that the Druids had found. He started a huge war, shit happened, and the Druids swore off magic and began slowly working at technology instead. Except Brona survived, and a couple of Druids who kept at magic (Bremen, Allanon, etc.) worked against him.
Eventually the Druids were cast down by Brona and all killed off, leaving just Bremen and Allanon, but Brona, the Warlock Lord, was then defeated first by Jerle Shannara (Bremen died shortly after this), and then by Shea Ohmsford (about 30-50 years prior to the start of the series) to finish the job. Shea's time was the War of the Races alluded to in the series, though how much of it they've kept and how much they've changed is unclear.
Which more or less brings us to the opening of the series.
>tl;dr magic left the world, technology rose, technology wiped itself out, druids come along and rediscover magic rather than technology because reasons
Northern kingdoms were the bad guys.
West were elves, east were I forget.
South were assholes who become even fucking bigger assholes in the Heritage series.
JFC I hate the Federation, such stupid cunts.
In the middle was borderlands.
Shea basically did a Frodo, had Elfstones for magic protection, found his way to the Sword of Shannara (magic sword), found his way into the northern kingdom, and used the sword to destroy the Warlock Lord.
The first book is a complete nameswap for Lord of the Rings though. It did good for making the setting but the actual story you know everything that's going to happen before it does.
Elves and Fae are not interchangeable. Elves were a type of Fae, nothing more. The King of the Silver River, Uhl Belk, Quickening, all modern faerie creatures, none of them Elves. The Dagda Mor wasn't and never was an Elf, he was always a Demon since the time of the Word and the Void.
A more specific timeline:
>?BC: Faerie creatures rule the world
>?BC: Good Faerie following the Word war with the evil Faerie of the Void
>?BC: Good ones win by banishing the bad ones behind the Forbidding with the Ellcrys
>5000BC: Rise of Humanity, end of Faerie Age
>1990s-2010sAD: Knight of the Word series - human magicians fighting shadow war against demons in contemporary world
>2062-2092AD: World-Wide Holocaust in the Great Wars
>2500AD: Races emerge, humanity has morphed into humans, gnomes, dwarves, trolls. Some magicless Fae called Elves emerge, pretend to be another offshoot of Humans
>3092AD: Galaphile starts first Council of Druids
>3242AD: Warlock Lord breaks away from Council tries to have humanity take over the world but fails when the Druids roflpwn him - First War of the Races. Humans who lost become salty and develop isolationist attitudes becoming the Federation.
>3692AD: Warlock Lord reemerges, destroying the Druid council except Bremen and some stragglers - Second War of the Races begins this time with the Warlock Lord using Trolls instead of humans. Allanon is taken as Bremen's apprentice, the Sword of Shannara is formed. Warlock Lord is defeated again, but not destroyed
>4192AD: Warlock Lord appears again, killing anyone who can use the Sword of Shannara. Third War of the Races begins. Only the Borderlands of Callahorn stand between the Warlock Lord's armies and the rest of the world. Shea Ohmsford is the sole survivor of the House of Shannara. Ultimately defeats and destroys the Warlock Lord. The last King of Callahorn - Balinor Buckhannah dies without an heir, allowing the Federation to take control.
>4242AD: Current events. Ellcrys is dying and Forbidding is weakening.
pretty comfy show so far, pretty characters, reasonable acting, the guy from spartacus, the guy from LotR, pretty scenery, nice soundtrack, scary villain, cool story.
I like it.
God, its so glorious. A conversation about Shannara on /tv/ Ha! I have been waiting for this series.
Agreed entirely. It has differences enough to set it apart and is being done well enough that its pretty damn awesome. Purists, what few there are, will be salty. But alot of it is done very very well.
Also Allanon is fucking glorious.
>he still thinks television and film are capable of original thought
10 years from now there will literally not be a single new tv show or movie not based on something else.
If you arn't too purist about it, you'll enjoy it. Forewarning:
Wil is now Shea's son, not his grandson, and that makes Shea full elf.
With Terry Brook's guidance, they have changed things. Like they turned the Dagda Mor to be a former Elven Druid who went Demon thousands of years before the Warlock Lord was ever corrupted by the Ildatch, and was sealed away behind the Forbidding. He proceeded to become the King of the Demons.
Amberle isn't such a timid little girl anymore. And the Chosen are picked by sweaty blindfold running through the forest, not magical ceremony of walking forward and touching the tree.
Elf boys are sweaty, buff jocks instead of Legolas.
Wil is an awkward teen Legolas meets Luke Skywalker. Yet despite this, the actor knows how to act and play him convincingly.
Trolls = Super Mutants from Fallout
Not showing anything yet, no. But its all rather suggestive. Amberle's dress alone for the celebration was so modern and revealing as to take it right out of a fantasy story and put it on the red carpet of a modern setting. Shows just how... unique... Elves are.
Yes. Yes that is so true.
If you follow the Word and the Void, you also know that a majority of Demons and Void/Evil Fae are in fact mortals who were corrupted by them. Human demons, elves, whatever. Terry Brooks is very big on corruption.
And the Trolls being gas mask wearing hulks is pretty fucking cool.
Especially when they're going to come fight beside the Elves against the Demons along with the Dwarves and Humans.
Rather enjoying the mix of High Fantasy/Post Apocalyptic mixture with it too. The ruined structures and artifacts, and everything else with it just... works. Surprisingly. Its like ShadowrunFallout
I still can't work out why MTV or all networks have made this show and obviously spent a LOT of money on it. The sets, costumes and sfx are really very good. Except for GoT no other fantasy show gets a big audience. It's basically a typical CW teen show crossed with LotR.
But damn, the two lead girls are amazing.
After Twilight and Hunger Games exploded, everyone realized theres big money to be made in teenage fantasy aimed at girls
MTV was already aimed at teenage girls, so it was a natural fit
Definitely a selling point
If you really believe this you have zero standards when it comes to acting
I absolutely agree. It's the best thing about this show so far. The CGI is just glorious.
Nothing special but does its job well.
It's literally a texbook hero's journey (pic related) in a Tolkien setting. The fact that it's set in the far future doesn't change the fact that it's a LoTR ripoff as far the story goes.
The show feels "safe" (for lack of a better world). Which makes sense since producing something like this costs a fortune. Then again, no innovation, nothing new.
No, there's not. But theres a lot the show could do better, and since it doesn't
>see bad acting
We are left with a generic heroes journey that leaves nothing to the imagination and no desire to see "next weeks!" Episode
The acting is fine, it's not GoT level but it's good enough.
Almost all stories are hero journeys or some kind of struggle a central character goes through.
I agree it doesn't attempt to add anything new.
You're really ok with druid man acting, rover girl and half elf "oops I lost the blue stones hahaha xD" acting was ok?
You really didn't think the "take off your clothes" scene before the entered the home wasn't the worst shit you've seen in 2016 , and probably 2015?
Come on anon have some standards
>Terry Brooks novel finally gets adapted.
>It's not Magic Kingdom for Sale!(Sold)
>Story starts with one of the middle books.
>Brothers Hildebrandt art gets replaced with YA shit on reprints.
I want to murder a puppy.
Catania looks strangely old. The elvin princess looks like a spooky skelleton. The rover girl though is exquisite.
She's the girl from Pans Labyrinth
There has never been a more cheesy and camp scene than this one. Looks at a map, face full of hope, raises her head and looks into the distance, need obligatory wind in hair. Cliché fest anyone? fucking boring.
This picture alone puts me off watching the show. This is the most cheesy, camp, cliché looking scene from a show in a long time. Seriously, it looks like the Disney club. Over produced, over-stylized, everyone looks like a model, clothes are too clean and perfect, even the torch rags look like they came from a supermarket. Its like watching the power Rangers.
CW, MTV, ABCFamily, everyone is cashing in on the new fad
ABCFamily is even changing their name to Freeform to help make it clear that they are no longer targeting everyone with their programming anymore. I'm not sure how well it'll go over though seeing as theyre contractually bound to air the 700 Club for eternity