Vader BTFO by common sense

He never knew padme had twins, Leia herself didn't know they were related.

Why do you think he should have known?

Leia being Luke's sister was an asspull in Jedi, desu. It was a bad development for the franchise, it made it overly Shakespearian and melodramatic in terms of everyone ends up being related to each other. Also it made the kiss weird. It also is retarded because why did Obi Wan give Leia to a life of luxury as a princess but Luke lives in poverty on a shitty desert moisture farm.

Vader being Anakin Skywalker wasn't even decided until Empire. They should have left it at that.

>>64668592
Jedi and sith can sense things using the force, he could tell when obi wan was aproaching in NH so why couldn't he sense his own daughter

>>64668682
Presumably because he recognises Obi-Wan's force aura or whatever. He's never met Leia in any other context than her being an Alderaanian senator.

He does sense that Luke is "strong in the force" in the trench scene, though, but even then it's arguably only because Luke was actually using the force there.

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>>64668521
Ya also the new comics don't help with this.

>>64668801
Who is he talking to?

>>64668592
>Why do you think he should have known?

Because he knows the ways of the force. He can't identify his own children?

>>64668825
he's telling it to KanjiKlub

>>64668682
I always viewed it as jedi can remember what each individual persons force feels like. Since Vader never had felt leias force until he met her after she was secretly adopted, he would have no reason to think she was his daughter. He knew Luke was his kid as soon as he saw that he was named Skywalker, not bc he sensed he was his son through the force.

>>64668833

the problem is the universe grew up around the movies and added things

the problem is the things growing up around them are more complicated than the movies themselves.

The force ends up being this be all do all sort of thing now.

So our expectations change. To what he should be able to do.

I mean fuck in Attack of the Clones he predicts where a moving vehicle will be ten minutes ahead of time.

>>64668682

The problem here is that after watching TFA the Force just can do anything.

Leia never 'awakes' her powers so Vader can't sense her.

Even in ANH when Luke uses the Force Vader doesn't seem to sense that Luke is his son. He just knows the guy in the X-Wing is strong in the Force and tries to kill him.

Btw, it's funny how in TFA Leia after 30 years doesn't even look like she can use the Force for shit, but Rey in one day becomes more powerful than Kylo.

>>64668833
Yeah but he still doesn't know his kids because he hasn't met them.

The force? It's like magic in any fantasy story. It can be conveniently made to do anything and yet just as conveniently you can say "the force doesn't work that way".

>>64668654
>made it overtly Shakespearean
That's what Star Wars is a space opera but it's more like the tragedy of darth vader

Also it's just a kiss and they didn't know at the time.