So, Luke knows that Jedi Knights were hunted to extinction by the evil Empire because Ben Kenobi said this in ANH.
These two droids, also, are still trying to be found by the Empire - they were on the ship the empire took over in ANH and they were literally on Bespin when Vader took over. As far as I know, the Empire would still want them.
Wouldn't it be risky to send these two droids into the desert of tattooine, unaccompanied no less, considering we already know it has a huge Imperial presence from ANH? I recall that the stormtroopers massacred an entire Jawa sandcrawler and torched Beru and Lars looking for these exact droids.
Also why would he include the fact that he's a Jedi Knight on this message. If the Empire ever found this out...
Tatooine didn't actually have a huge imperial presence usually, right? They were there in ANH just to find the droids, otherwise it was an insignificant outer rim shitkicker planet still in the Hutt sphere of influence
I take issue with this.
So now, Luke is a trained full fledged Jedi Knight. We can see he is disciplined and he has obviously completed some of the training.
Yet, he does not use the force in ANY way against this creature (don't tell me that size matters - because Yoda says size matters not; judge me by my size, do you?)
He does not use the force in any way. Instead of pulling out his light saber, he picks up a goddamn bone. What the fuck is this? Even the rock he uses to hit the switch was thrown. He could have pressed it with the force. I find this VERY strange. This fight is basically entirely pointless. It seems like it's just more artificial tension added to try to make me care. But it's honestly really dumb when I think about it.
Also what was the point of Luke coming AFTER his droids? So far, his plan has had NOTHING to do with the fact that his droids came first. He could have come himself and everything would have panned out the exact same way as if his droids had come. What was honestly the point of his whole plan?
Star Wars so far as done this a lot. Introduce a character and quickly kill him off. Ben died in the same movie he was introduced. Yoda is talking about being sick and old and I guarantee you he'll die before the end of the movie. Boba Fett seemed like he wanted to be a more relevant character, but got taken out by Han Solo by accident.
I'm glad they added this scene of Yoda telling Luke that Darth Vader IS in fact his father. I honestly thought he was lying at the end of ESB. I figured he would say anything to get Luke to join his side... and something like this, he knew, would definitely fuck with Luke's head.
Tbqh I don't think Lucas thought of the force the same way during the OT that he later did in the prequels where it came it easy as shit and convenient all purpose power that you can just use instantly at any time to do anything
It really seemed to be a lot less powerful in the OT requiring concentration and being very limited in usefulness
I am definitely getting this feeling. I haven't seen these movies yet. But it seems like the force is way less overpowered (I think a lot of this has to do with video games). It seems here that even Yoda needed to concentrate and close his eyes to lift the X-Wing and maneuver it around yet in that stupid video game, Vader's new apprentice pulled that goddamn star destroyer from the atmosphere.
>What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
This seems pretty convoluted. Was this actually the plan from the beginning?
>Leia! Leia is my sister!
Okay this is just stupid. Is this what counts as good storytelling? Introduce a bunch of characters from different backgrounds. Then, make them all part of the same family - that'll surprise and impress the audience!
What purpose does this serve? How does the story advance any further or better by making them twins? Like what is the point aside from making kids in the audience go :O? I honestly do not understand this.
Who the fuck is this woman lecturing everyone? Is Leia not still a princess (the princess of the Republic or Rebellion or whatever else?)
What the hell is going on here? I am actually confused.
Why would they also promote Lando to General (the highest military rank, essentially) to lead a bunch of troops into battle? Weren't there other Lieutenant Generals and Major Generals waiting for a promotion?
This is honestly just done to get Billy Dee Williams and his character more screen time.
the point of it is to show jabba that he's a powerful person that Jabba might want to strike a deal with
that's why he first sends diplomats, then comes in person
of course luke could just come in swinging and level the whole place or call in his rebel buddies and attack the location but that's not jedi-like
he tries to be good about it and give jabba a chance to hand solo over, but also prepares in case he wouldn't do so
also bear in mind that the force gives characters vague future seeing powers so he probably through meditation saw how things would generally go down in vague terms
That's true. There was probably a less convoluted way to do it (for example, not having a pointless love triangle at all in the first place).
Well actually no, that's not true. Because as soon as he comes in, he tries to use his mind trick to force Jabba to give up his friends. And then after, he completely decimates Jabba's army.
I still think his plan was pretty poorly conceived.
I could see them giving Lando a high position, he WAS the governor or whatever of Cloud City which iirc was a somewhat powerful political and economical entity, so he brought a new system into the rebel fold
Got you, that's right. I'll accept that.
They also, however, made Han a general and it seems as though everyone has forgotten about Leia being a princess. She seemed to actually be the leader of the Rebellion in ANH. She is also still up for execution by the Empire and I'd also wager that escaping from prison is a crime.
like I said, he first tries the diplomatic approach
he gives jabba a chance to hand solo over (by first sending in droids, then coming in person), he refuses, he tries a mind trick, doesn't work and then he tries violence
he doesn't just show up and start mowing people down like a sith would
iirc he didn't have his lightsaber at that point in the film. He probably dropped/lost it when he fell down into the Rancor pit, or more likely he never had it to begin with, since he knew he might get captured and have it confiscated, he entrusted it to R2.
He didn't have his lightsaber - it was inside R2D2. He had it, he just didn't have it with him.
I don't see why it would be confiscated. Everyone in that palace had a gun. Leia's thermal detonator wasn't confiscated.
Why would he NOT have his weapon on him if he thought he would get captured? That's dumb.
I really don't think there's a good explanation for what happened. I honestly don't. I think someone just thought it was a good idea and would look cool and so they put it in. It doesn't make much sense.
I'm thinking about what Yoda said. "A jedi never uses his powers for attack. Only for defense."
I'll buy it. He tries to not fight as much as possible. He wants to be a Jedi so he tries to do things in a way that he thinks is the most Jedi-like. I'll buy it, yes.
>"A jedi never uses his powers for attack. Only for defense."
I haven't watched those movies yet. In time, I will get to them.
Yoda says you can't just go around attacking people. If you're going to fight (which isn't forbidden) you have to do it to help someone.
Obi Wan fights Vader to distract him from Luke and the others.
Luke fights Vader to save his friends.
Yoda and Obi Wan want Luke to fight the Empire to save the galaxy.
it really didnt, you're not supposed to think it through, just go "holy shit, Luke planned all this" when the turns on the new green saber that distracts you
but it makes zero sense (lando going in, then the droids, then lea and chewie etc)
Was this here originally part of what was shown in theatres in 1983?
>mfw suddenly all of this "reactionary" criticism pushed onto the OT by TFA fans.
1. You're an idiot. The Empire was after those droids for one reason and one reason only, in ANH they were searching for stolen Deathstar plans. After the destruction of the Deathstar, those droids cease to be valuable. Why the hell would the Empire maintain a sizable enough bounty throughout the several years that have passed on a couple of old, nondescript droids?
2. Luke isn't a Jedi Knight(or at least he believes himself to be bluffing from the scene with Yoda on Dagobah that follows). He IS completely trained. At the time, The Force was a lot like magic in The Lord of the Rings. It was a powerful, but subtle thing. It didn't become flashy and frankly "big" until the EU, the prequels, and videogames. Luke hid his lightsaber in R2D2 so he could be ready to fight, BUT you're missing the important detail that for movie goers at the time Luke's lightsaber had been lost(in the duel with Vader Luke loses his lightsaber). At the time, viewers didn't know that he had a saber still. The R2D2 reveal was a big thing because, not only did he have his own saber, it was fucking green. The entire Tatooine sequence in Return was meant to emulate the aesthetic of A Princess of Mars. That's the purpose.
3. The Leia reveal was always stupid.
I haven't seen the Force Awakens yet and I've also never seen any Star Wars movies. Just a couple days ago, because the new movie came out, I started watching these movies in the order they came out so I'd be prepared.
I had absolutely no criticism of Star Wars. I thought it was as close to a perfect movie as you could get.
I had a lot of problems with ESB.
So far, I've got less problems with ROTJ.
Not going to reply to or acknowledge the rest of your post because of the name calling.
Anyone dissecting Star Wars should always remember that it was from the beginning badly written Scifi schlock meant to emulate pulp fiction shit like Flash Gordon etc which hadn't been seen in major motion pictures in a while when Star Wars came out afaik (don't quote me on this, I'm a pleb)
Story was never its selling point, it was the special effects and >fun, lasers and space opera
>my fefes were hurt on 4chan
That said, a lot of your criticism is valid, you just miss a great deal. Star Wars was an odd creature in its day. It was heavily inspired by old Pulp Science Fantasy, and filled with pseudograndiosity that few film goers had seen. It was the perfect storm, and it was so influential that a lot of what it does feels, well frankly, over done at this point.
The lightsaber(not a specific saber, but all) is Excalibur. It's the magic, hero's blade and it's presence is VERY important thematically. Think about when it's lost in Empire. Now consider when it returns to Luke. Lucas was bad a writing dialog and details, and fucking tight at themes and overall story.
>Ah yes, you must be here for the janitorial position
I know what the point of it was. But that doesn't mean things that don't make sense get a free pass. Like I said, I watched ANH and had absolutely no problems with it. Nothing. No nitpicking, even. I watched it and thought it was the most fantastical, magical movie I'd seen in a while. All the elements of a classic hero story told beautifully.
These movies are filled with shit.
Any legitimate reason she can't tell him what they just talked about? What would possibly change if she told him?
I can SEE the parts of this movie where they wrote in things for the sole purpose of eliciting a response or reaction of a particular kind from the audience and it is very dumb.
It makes perfect sense. Luke is a good guy. Ergo he doesn't just storm the palace. He gives Jabba several opportunities to simply let Han go. He sends in Lando and Leia to scout the place and perhaps free Han without confrontation. He goes himself and tries convincing Jabba with his magic. It's only when Jabba sentences them to death does he resort to violence.
I remember seeing trailers for Star Wars 1 and Star Wars 2. I notice that neither Yoda nor the Emperor have light sabers. They seem to be people who study the force (and in Yoda's case, teach). The emperor here calls the light saber "a jedi's weapon". It makes sense that Vader, Obi Wan, and Luke have light sabers, being jedi at one point or another.
Why would people like Darth Maul and Christopher Lee have light sabers even though they aren't jedi?
well it's a bit awkward and adds too much to what is already pretty complicated, no?
"we were almost eaten by ewoks, now c3po is a golden god and we're improvising our attack tomorrow, btw Luke just told me we're twins and Vader is his father. Luke's going to meet Vader and the Emperor, he may join them i'm not sure."
>Everything that has transpired as done so according to my desires.
Who the hell wrote this line???
Every person in the audience was told this, and I don't think even the kids in the audience watching this for the first time found it complicated. So why the hell would Han?
This just keeps up the stupid love triangle now - except it is pointless because THE AUDIENCE NOW KNOWS THAT IT IS NO LONGER A LOVE TRIANGLE. The only person who now thinks it is a love triangle is Han. What purpose does this serve? None.
not saying it adds to the audience, I mean Lea saying to Han. Her world was turned upside down, she's fucked up and probably only told some minor unimportant shit to Han later.
It shows a natural reaction from her and that Han is not so "ah fuck off bitch" as he was in the previous films. There is no love triangle thing anymore
In ANH, people on the death star did not believe int he force. Han Solo had traveled the galaxy but did not believe in the force. The jedi had been hunted to extinction - at the time of ANH Obi Wan was the only one left (retconned later to say that Yoda was also left).
However, even by ROTJ, Yoda says that once he dies, Luke will be the only Jedi left in existence.
Here, Admiral Ackbar says "May the force be with us" and also in ANH, the rebel commander when talking about the death star plans says "May the force be with you".
Tarkin, however, says that Vader is all that's left of that ancient religion.
Why would the rebels know about the force or believe in it if Jedis had been extinct for a long time?
Fair. I'll accept that. Still, though, I got the feeling that belief in Jedis or the Force was fleeting and very rare. But the old guys, I'll give you.
He was? If this is mentioned in the movie, don't spoil anything. I'll get around to watching them after this.
because theyre the remnants of the republic, a government with deep ties to the jedi and under whom the jedi were revered and important? they are going to support the jedi and the light side.
why would people know about god or believe in him since jesus hasnt been around for a long time?
Are they? I don't know what Sith are. That word has not been mentioned in these movies yet.
All they've said is that there is a dark side of the force.
Oh, okay, that's interesting. I didn't realize that.
At the point of these movies, none of that was true yet.
Yeah but I guess that idea always seemed pretty boring. I mean one of the things that make the Emperor so badass and threatening in ROTJ was how he didn't give a shit about lightsabers. I mean he's just sitting there taunting Luke into trying to use it on him and he's not even slightly worried. I always thought of him as the only true Sith in the movie since Vader was a fallen Jedi and so the Sith seemed like evil wizard counterparts to the knights of the Jedi.
>At the point of these movies, none of that was true yet.
Except for that part at the beginning of the movie when Obi-Wan clearly says the Jedi were dedicated to upholding peace within the Old Republic.
yeah same here, the logic that every bad guy dresses in black and has a red lightsaber, even the emperor is pretty shitty writing on the level of fanfic and videogames wanting to relive favorite moments
Sith are a specific club of dark jedi
There have been jedi who turned to the dark side otherwise too
Being Sith implies you were initiated by another Sith and you're part of their ancient cult and carry on their traditions and shit
as these guys said
they at least said that jedi were important within the old republic. I can only infer from dialogue that lucas' image of jedi in relation to the republic remained the same in both the originals and the prequels (probably one of the few things he thought of beforehand)
He did say this. He did not say >>64667288
Jedi were the guardians of peace in the galaxy before the empire. However, every person we see, EXCEPT for that rebel guy in ANH, expresses his disbelief at the force or jedi at all.
That's my only issue with this. The extinction event would have had to be decades ago. Because of this, I always assumed that Ben was over 120 years old (extended his life with the force like I assume Yoda did) so that there would be enough time for the people of the galaxy to forget about jedi and the force.
The way they talk about things just makes it a bit fucky.
This 100%. He says that light sabers are jedi weapons. But as I am watching this right now, he honestly seems so powerful in the force that he just doesn't need one. He can see the past and future better, seemingly, than Yoda did. He can conjure lightning from his hands where Luke needs to concentrate pretty hard to just levitate objects. Even Vader is only ever seen choking this guy. The emperor seems like the strongest force user in the entire galaxy - no need for melee weapons.
But that brings me to my next bit of criticism. The emperor was just tossed into a shaft of some sort. Given his force powers, I figure he'd be able to just... somehow stop and levitate himself back up. Vader didn't even really incapacitate him in any way beforehand, either. I think it would have been better if Vader stabbed him from behind or some thing then tossed him off. Make sure he couldn't come back up.
Disregard the previous post, I mispoke
Being a sith doesn't require to have been a jedi previously
What I meant to say was a sith is a darkside force user
I doubt Maul was ever trained as a jedi and Sheev most definitely wasn't
>disbelief at the force or jedi at all
who actually? I remember only Han and the imperial guy - who didn't disbelief the force or the jedi, just that it was that powerful or useful, as far as I remember
Yes. Yes in fact it IS like that.
Han, the empire, and Tarkin. None of the other characters ever even brings it up. And why would they? Jedi (and therefore the force) had been exterminated. For a long, long time.
The fuck is wrong with his eyebrows? Did they look like this in theatres originally?
>the empire, and Tarkin
Huh? Neither Tarkin nor any Imperial ever expresses disbelief at the existence of the force. Vader straight up chokes a dude telepathically in front of a whole room full of people.
He chokes a dude because he didn't believe in the force. When he chokes the guy, Tarkin cocks his head and raises an eyebrow and watches for a second before telling Vader to quit - almost as if he didn't believe it himself and was seeing it for the first time. He was intrigued.
So, the rebel alliance blew up the second death star. But they were outnumbered in terms of how many fighters there were - so how'd they manage that? Also, what happened to the what seemed like DOZENS of star destroyers standing there at the ready? They honestly just lowered the shields, somehow survived the 100s of TIE fighters, killed one star destroyer, blew up the death star, and then the writers forgot about the rest of the imperial armada?
Are you retarded? The guy didn't think the force wasn't real, he thought it was nothing as compared to his shiny new Battlestation. And Tarkin knew full what was happening, he raises an eyebrow because he views the spat as petty and pointless. In fact, he says as much.
Can only Luke see the ghosts of Yoda, Obi Wan, and Vader? The other characters do not react at all to them.Perhaps the ghosts can choose to whom they want to appear?
If there's another big bad in TFA, my money would be on the emperor. He was an incredibly powerful force user - why couldn't he come back as a ghost? He could come back as a ghost and reassemble his empire.
>this is the kind of people that praise TFA
The Empire wanted those droids because they had the plans of the Death Star. Once the plans got in the hands of the Rebellion and the Death Star was gone, I see no major reason why they would care anymore about two fucking droids.
The Empire had no huge presence on Tattooine. Remember that big Star Destroyer over Tattooine that appears in the first scene of the movie? That's where all (or at least most) of the stormtroopers you see in the planet come from. They just landed around the place where the scape pod itself landed to search for the droids.
Not to mention that, Tattooine is a planet in the outter rim, where the Empire doesn't really reach that much and that's why all sort of criminals prospere.
Why would Luke say he's a Jedi Knight? Well, to try to frighten Jabba don't you think? Do you really believe Jabba, Boba and friends didn't know who Luke was anyways and how much the Empire would pay for his head?
Because some species are resistant to mind tricks you donut. This happens several times in the saga.
Not gonna waste my time answering the other posts, though.
Why can't they? It's Star Wars. If Lucas wants the Empire to have troops on every planet, what's to stop it from being true?
Didn't seem like he believed in it to me. It seems people thought it was an ancient religion and that the force was some mystic garbage. Even Han is still in disbelief when Luke deflects the robot remote blasts.
>Didn't seem like he believed in it to me
He clearly did. He only ever claimed Vader's powers were not enough to return the stolen plans or defeat the rebellion. He was undervaluing Vader's abilities.
>Even Han is still in disbelief
Why are you acting as though this is surprising? Han is the one character who's consistently shown to be a non-believer. That changes fairly quickly over the course of the film.
Read the thread before contributing, please.
Was it? It makes the most sense. Why can't he come back? Nothing says he can't. Granted, I've only just finished the original trilogy for the first time. I've yet to see the prequel trilogy.
So, I have finished Star Wars for the first time. Here is how I would rank the movies:
Star Wars > Return of the Jedi >= Empire Strikes Back.
Later today or tomorrow I'll start on the prequel trilogy.
>Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fort
That's his exact quote. He doesn't say he thinks it isn't real, he just mocks it as inferior to technology like the deathstar and other imperial shit.
thanks to the new EU, he is called Conan Antonio Motti now.
He doesn't even mention the force. He thinks it is a religion. He doesn't know about it or believe in it. That's what I'm sticking to and nothing you say is from the movie can convince me otherwise. Because there's no right answer to this.
Oh that's just great.
We never see Yoda with a lightsaber because he is never in a situation where he is fighting and is like 900 years old.
The emperor probably thinks himself above weapons like the lightsaber now.
He is basically mocking it saying "pfft a jedis weapon, the sith are more powerful than that and don't need weapons"
Of course it makes sense for the Sith to have them though, because if your mortal enemies have a laser sword and you get into a fight with them you are going to want a weapon capable of fighting against a lightsaber.
Alright, have fun. By the way, you ranked the one movie that is regarded the best by the overwhelming majority of critics, star wars fans and film lovers in general as the worst. Just saying.
Also, did you watch the special editions or the originals?
>Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways
He is being a condescending arrogant prick and he gets rekt for it.
Everything he says is said in a way to belittle vader and the "power" he supposedly posses.
Motti probably never saw Vader choke a bitch before.
I don't care about critics.
Speculation. We really can't say why Yoda didn't have a lightsaber. We do know the emperor didn't have one, though - he says it is a Jedi weapon and Obi Wan says the lightsaber is a jedi weapon (only Jedi have lightsabers). He is not a jedi.
>In Star Wars, only Jedi use lightsabers.
>A Jedi says it is the weapon of a Jedi knight.
>The Emperor says it is the weapon of a Jedi.
>Vader says having built a lightsaber completes Luke's Jedi training.
Yup, lightsabers are only for jedi.
>considering we already know it has a huge Imperial presence from ANH
Tatooine was a backwater shithole. The stormtroopers that were searching for R2 and C3PO were from the Star Destroyer that was after Princess Leia (hell they were actually just investigating the jettisoned escape pod, which led them to figure out they were searching for droids).
They were the presence. And that only would have been temporary.
>only Jedi use lightsabers
Darth Vader is not a Jedi, so why would he continue to use a Jedi weapon?
This completely goes against what you said.
It is never even stated that ONLY jedi use them anyway.
Jesus Christ kid, the Empire has a huge "wanted" list and they can only have so many men working this cases at once, alright?
I'm pretty damn sure in the Empire law enforcement was always working out the ass, the Rebellion was going on in a whole bunch of places and was publicly known about. Speaking as a guy who's worked legal offices, that had to have been one giant clerical nightmare for poor Uncle Sheev.
Has this guy ever seen Star Wars? Wow! I know people despute a lot of things in Star Wars, nerds bicker endlessly about the most insignificant things... but I never in a million years thought, even here on /tv/, that I would see someone try to tell me that Darth Vader is not a jedi.
You can autistically repeat that as many times as you like but it doesn't make it any more right as long as you can't explain why exactly a guy who carries a light sabre, uses the force and is explicitly described as a "jedi" by the fucking dialogue in the movie, wouldn't be a jedi in the minds of people watching the movie.
>Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.
>A young Jedi named Darth Vader
>Actually using that quote to support your argument
Yep, confirmed for a retard.
Did you also notice how Obi-Wan says that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered Lukes father? We know that isn't true, so why trust the rest of the statement?
>I'm glad they added this scene of Yoda telling Luke that Darth Vader IS in fact his father. I honestly thought he was lying at the end of ESB. I figured he would say anything to get Luke to join his side... and something like this, he knew, would definitely fuck with Luke's head.
That's actually exactly why the scene was added. Lucas wasn't even planning on having Yoda in RotJ; the director wanted him in. Lucas was also advised to have Yoda clarify what Vader said, because kids were unlikely to trust Vader. Its funny to think that if not for that, Yoda would still be "alive" in the Star Wars series.
>He clearly did.
Calling them "your sorcerer's ways" clearly hints that he didn't. He has seen Vader's powers, but he thinks about them as anecdotical fancy shit, little more than magic tricks. He doesn't believe in the force, a mystical concept behind them that rules the world.
>Naboo has popularly-elected royalty
>somehow serving a seat in the Galactic Senate is a step above ruling entirely over a planet; granted the systems are part of the Republic so in essence this is like a state's governor serving in the US senate which would make Coruscant the Washington of sorts
>OK, so how do senators get chosen then? Are they too, popularly elected? Then wouldn't that imply that Naboo has multiple queens ruling over various regions? And that other planets have multiple monarchies that choose leaders by popular election? Leaders that freely allow an entire republic to preside over them and make decisions that can affect them entirely?
Jesus fucking Christ is it any wonder there's so many tyrants and dictators in this universe? How hard can it be to form a government that doesn't keep falling on its own ass into tyranny? The Republic failed because it allowed a psychopathic extremist to lead it and become a tyrant ruling over an empire that hurt by a vast majority more people than it helped. Why. Do. People. Remember it so well. Is Palpatine's entire scheme just a fucking myth now too? The history books don't say "Yeah, this Gungan stood in for an important senator and gave the future emperor enough power to further his agenda"?
kinda needed leia to be his sister. If not Vader couldn't have used it to piss off luke at the end. Luke would never have a reason to fight Vader. It might be a cheap plot device, but it was needed.
The purpose of the Leia reveal is that Vader can goad Luke by telling him he'll turn his sister if Luke won't turn. This is obvious. But then, this is surely a bait thread - unless it's just an awful thread.
Where is it said that Naboo's senator is 'above' its queen?
>Then wouldn't that imply that Naboo has multiple queens ruling over various regions?
What? No. This whole post is nonsense.
>Implying this exchange didn't happen in Return of the Jedi
>Yoda "No more training do you require."
>Luke "Then, I am a jedi..."
>Yoda "No! Not yet. Vader. You must confront Vader."
He's not a Jedi Knight yet, but he no longer requires training.
1. The droids were only relevant for the deathstar plans in ANH.
2. They are generic droid units
3. Leia sent the droids as a last resort, its not like that was the premeditated plan.
4. The empire already knows that "Obi Wan" is a jedi knight... lol he calls himself "Ben" and the message didn't explicitly state he was on Tatooine or anything