Watch some of the weta BTS.
What they did was spending enormous amount of time on practical effects. Then they kept adding layer after layer of cgi until it was pretty much unrecognizable. I am talking specifically about >>64659674
I honestly think this is much worse than if they just did the cgi.
>I honestly think this is much worse than if they just did the cgi.
It really means nothing you pleb
Fights between two human characters probably required some sort of set so blocking and choreographing can be established in certain cases.
Oh hey. That's Grant and Tory from Mythbusters.
They aren't prequels though. Just episodes 1-3. A prequel would happen before 1-3.
It probably is fake in the final cut. They do a shit load of post processing to sets and things. Sometimes they completely CG over a practical effect.
>They aren't prequels though. Just episodes 1-3. A prequel would happen before 1-3.
That's how it works. You don't make "Part 5" the call "Part 4" a prequel. You call whatever comes before "Part 1" in the story line a "Prequel".
It is as bad as when people celebrated the new century when the 1999-2000 new year rolled around.
In episodes 5 and 6 they got the real guy. He was busy during the filming of episode 1 so they had to use a puppet, which is why it looks so shitty.
In episodes 2 and 3 he was too old to do all the action scenes they wanted, so they just had him as a stand in for the cgi version you'd see in the finished movies.
>You don't make "Part 5" the call "Part 4" a prequel. You call whatever comes before "Part 1" in the story line a "Prequel".
>actually saw these blu-ray edits of the originals for the first time last night that I've been hearing about for fucking years
>That deleted scene with 'human jabba' pops up
>they CGI'd in final concept Jabba over the human and scaled him down to human height
what in gods name
It's like an uncanny valley of CGI.
All sets? Great!
All CGI? Tolerable.
Some sets with that much CGI poured on them? Shit.
That's really the biggest problem of the prequels; they were just too ugly. I'd have overlooked most of the story problems if Lucas just made movies that didn't look worse than in the fucking 70s.
And not a single clone trooper.
i'm really glad that the artistic genius, george lucas, took the time and effort to shoot on real locations and build real sets, and real costumes for characters to interact with, instead of having his animators do everything for him in CGI later
kek how can you this delusional
you've already been BTFO by this thread
Posting green and blue screen shots does not somehow negate all the practical effects shown in this thread.
Plus, I actually like CGI.
>I wonder if there's any way we can do this shot in the computer
I am now in love with prequels (except Jar Jar, that was little bit too much, but it is not that bad, when if you compere it to that soulless BB8 toy).
TFA is shit and everything about it are lies. I have never expected that TFA will implode so well. But it happened and now we can understand what true SW movie is.
Fuck Kasdan who wrote that unoriginal piece of crap and Jew Jew with his lies about practical effects.
Is that true? Even with the man hours you'd need to pay artists to do all the close up Commander Cody scenes and stuff?
Do you think that's the sole reason? Just look at how many celebrities volunteered to cameo in the new movie for free. I bet any number of fans would have taken dismal dayplayer sums to wear a stormtrooper costume and stand in formation.
What's the point in making all these practical sets if they are just going to jizz cgi all over them in post-production so they all look like cgi anyway?
There are ways to use practical sets properly, the prequels are not a good example of that. Something like Lord of the Rings is.
>thinks Lucas knew the stormtroopers were going to be clones in the OT and had any reason to exclusively hire extras of a certain height
>thinks it would take casting in the early 2000s any more than a day to find 20 willing extras of the same height for a new star wars
>yfw this thread has redeemed the prequel trilogy
>yfw OT and TFA fags are BTFO
They don't have to be actual fucking clones to look like clones while masked and in armor, holy shit.
Besides, they didn't even make ONE set of armor for the fucking Jango actor to wear.
>it would have looked more jarring to have a couple comtumes and an army of CGI troopers behind them.
more jarring than a real head floating on a CGI body? Kek
not bait. i just don't think it would really be "jarring." battle scenes are filled in all the time with CGI players in the background and real players in the foreground. I'm saying if you can't detect that a static image is a painting after post processing, it's not very likely an out of focus CG character would have been that noticeable
even less reason height differences in stormtroopers is indicative that it is impossible to have actors hired specifically for their build to look uniform when wearing molded plastic armor
You CAN, but in my opinion, It looks fine the way it is.
>incoming jaypegs and webms of shit cgi
It's about caring about the story before caring about how good the effects are.
So please drown me in shit PT cgi.
No, no, no, too much effort. Just use CGI and get this shit over with.
you're not wrong. I think the battle scenes look fine. It's only noticeable when characters like Cody need to interact with Obi-Wan. When it's the focus of the scene it's jarring. Having real actors in the foreground would only enhance immersion imo
My point is for smaller, more static scenes like this, it could have easily been a guy in a suit.
Although basically everything in that shot apart from Chewie is cgi so WHO CARES AM I RIGHT?
>made all these sets
>couldnt even make a realistic SD bridge
That CGI is worse than playstation
>mfw most of this brilliance was produced in a nondescript warehouse in a shitty, mostly industrial part of my small home town
the feels. these films were unlike anything seen before when made by an indie film company. now they are trash made in hollywood
if i recall correctly, there were a couple of versions of this scene shot, according to rumor back in the day. one in which Anakin was present for the entire altercation and intervened at the end when Windu got the upper hand. i also recall something about the lightsaber that Sheev used in one of the shots left in the film is evidently Anakin's.
Now is not the time to argue anon.....
You're kidding, right? Those closeups look like absolute dogshit, the fidelity of the CG has aged horribly. It looks like a fucking Blizzard Cutscene straight out of 2003.
> so ugly, right ? Much prefer generic desert or snow
STAR WARS REBELS LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS
KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS AND WHEN NOT TO USE THEM
The desert scenes in ANH are used much more effectively, though. You don't need a thousand things in the frame to make it look good.
Are you retards actually serious? When we have access to proper quality shots of TFA PLEASE show me some cgi that you think is worse than ANYTHING in the prequels.
Spoilers: there isn't any.
Lol, faggot, are you serious? quality shots of the prequels cgi are rarely or never even posted, just shitty quality pixel shit. Fuck off. Maz and Gollum looked fake as fuck as star wars, faker than anything seen in the series
I was so glad we got to see maZ kanata again after the way Antz ended
>That shot looks great though.
If you're actually serious and not trying to force your contrarian 17 year old brain into thinking that, then I don't know what to tell you. The actual visual fidelity of the clone trooper CG has aged very poorly, they stand out like a sore thumb in the movies and they look like video game cutscenes.
Look I didn't like Maz Kanata either, but you cannot sit here an shitpost that she looks worse than this.
That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
I don't see a problem.
You wouldn't say Taun Taun stop motion (not the recomosited 1997) from ESB looks good now, so why rag on 13 year old SFX?
Also, don't say they should have used a guy in a suit. I'm addressing your post about the quality of the CGI.
Maz looked like a fake video game character compared to jar jar. You can tell there was a lot of fucking effort on the cgi in the prequels, especially jar jar in the beginning, "they key to all of this"
not so much in tfa. it was an afterthought, lazily implemented into scenes.
but why bother talking about maz when there was a fucking gollum clone that looked WORSE than gollum did in 2001 or w/e
>That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
you are kidding, right?
>That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
Oh you done it now anon
what the fuck are you going on about posting pixar animation?
which by the way exists because of lucasfilm.
sup. this is from like 1998 btw
Quick reminder that TESB has an obvious GLOVE PUPPET monster coming out of a papier mache diorama as one of it's big moments.
Also a shit yeti which was almost totally cut out of the film it was so bad.
The Plinkett reviews, while entertaining at the time, are ignorantly opinionated original content. What I mean by that is the majority of the flaws pointed out were original. Plinkett made them up. People began to parrot Plinkett and still continue to do so but they are his opinions. Only a few of them were shared by the rest of us. I hated the prequels to but I've come to an understanding that they are what they are and I have grown to like RotS and even think AotC isn't that bad (I used to despise it). Fuck Red Letter Media. They should apply the same scrutiny to TFA and they should hate it too because it is full of flaws but they won't
GOAT shot. I get hard everytime this shot comes up.
I watch the PT at least once a month.
I enjoy them everytime. I'll never understand people who say they suck.
I've watched the Plinkett reviews and he's just so bitter, rage has clouded his judgement.
this is obviously late 90s.
but look at that attention to detail. it's digital art
> I used to hold an opinion that the mainstream does, then I realized that that's not cool and I have to be a hipster contrarian so I can flaunt my e-peen with my sekrit klub friends
Just because they MADE models doesn't mean they actually used them well in the film you dumb fuck.
Literally no point in making models if they layer cgi onto it so much that it just looks like all cgi anyway.
>Everyone agrees the prequels were dogshit
You must not have been on /tv/ recently.
If you think that blurry cgi mess outside the windows looks good then you need to get your eyes checked son.
lol it's like you faggots are covering your eyes to reply
>opinions are facts
I love the prequels. Everything about them.
>incoming anti PT shitposters
Point out all the shit dialogue, acting, CGI, whatever.
I still love them.
And i don't think they're shit at all.
>its okay to like bad movies
Not what I said. I consider them to be good, well made movies.
Imagine being Ian McDiarmid while filming revenge of the sith and having to act out the fight with Yoda in an entire blue-screen room with no one there for reference, just having to pretend to fire lightning out of your hands and shit
>I love the prequels. Everything about them.
Do you love the oscar-winning performances by Hershlag and Christiansen?
>You are so beautiful
>It's only because I'm so in love
>No, it's because I'm so in love with YOU
Best work Lucasfilm has ever done and will ever do coming through
The Star Wars prequels are a strange beast
Some of the worst looking stuff is practical effects.
Some of the CGI is absolutely amazing.
Some scenes look mind bogglingly real then you realise it's CG, while some look noticeably fake and they turn out to be miniatures.
I'm chalking it up to it being early days for digital film making and people not really knowing what they're doing/doing a hell of a lot under time constraints
The one thing to take home from this is: At least they tried. And you can tell that they really tried.
Vader's mask is noticeable low quality in ANH, particularly in this scene, and those red eyes which were done away with in the later films are really weird.
His mask improves by leaps and bounds for ESB tho
>>every star wars film took 3 years
They didn't work nonstop for nine years, fucking retard.
>disney now shits out SW annually
Yeah, and TFA looks less professional than the PT.
>I used to hold an opinion that the mainstream does
I try not to because that would mean it's not my opinion. A social groupthink opinion is somebody's else's opinion parroted by a social hive who cannot think for themselves and need others to do it for them.
I think they had release dates already announced and were definitely working to a deadline. For example, it is well known that Episodes II and III started haveing their sets built before the scripts were even finished, and may have even stared shooting with incomplete scripts, meaning that similar issues could have occurred with the effects.
I wonder how much better they would have looked/how much better the script could have been if they just took like 5 years to make a film.
Also yes, Snoke and Maz Kanata in TFA were only "finalised" in October, meaning they only had like 1-2 months to render the CGI, and it is really noticeable because Snoke looks much worse than General Grievous ever did
It simply means you hold an opinion that the majority does as well. It doesn't mean you got your opinion from others.
Look at these blue screen cut off arms!! Blasphemy! JJ would have practically cut off his amrs.
>computers are cheaper than people, no unions, no craft services, etc
A couple of problems with this. Jake the Mess was still on set, except he was wearing a a blue leotard so they could put the armor in later.
For everyone else they're just wearing helmets, and have no lines, which mean's they're not required to be a member of SAG, they're just extras.
I can understand using digital clones for wide shots, in the background, in effect shots, etc. But when it's 6 clones in frame, and only one speaks, all you need is a casting call for a dozen people who are 6ft with a medium build. That's not even kind of difficult.
The only thing I can think of is that doing a mixed bag, like REAL troopers in one shot, CG in the next, is that the changeover is TOO obvious. But since they never made a single piece of clone armor, I don't know how that can be true.
There's one shot at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith that Lucas talks about in the director's commentary where you can clearly see two unmasked troopers with exactly the same face piloting a proto-x-wing
I love stuff like that
George said "we needed a way to very quickly and easily explain to new viewers that these were clones" and that's a very effective way of doing it
No, its 3 years, you dumb piece of shit
tfa looks like fanfiction made by a hack being told what to do by focus groups hell bent on marketing
star wars is its in thing, with its own place in cinema and film history. it's not a fucking product like capeshit. at least, it was never meant to be. and now it is.
The sleek look of the prequels is not due to "bad cgi" but an artistic choice by Lucas. I often laugh when I sea people complaining about interiors being too clean and shiny in the prequels. Do you really expect dirt and grit in the luxurious Jedi Temple or the offices of the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic Sheeve Palpatine !?? Some people are so dumb...
George decided to use new digital camera technology to shoot the movie. Problem was the resolution of those cameras is about equivalent to what you can do with an iPad or a GoPro today.
Film does a lot better in masking the imperfections of things like makeup, sets and miniatures, while Digital has a greater tendency to make it look fake. It's the same reason why the Hobbit movies look so crappy.
>George decided to use new digital camera technology to shoot the movie.
The Phantom Menace was shot mostly on Film. Lucas, wanting to push digital cameras, announced that he had shot a few scenes digitally and put them in the movie, and challenged people to figure out what was film, and what was digital.
The night shot on Tatooine where Qui-Gon is talking to anakin and his mom outside their house is definitely one of them.
>That clean, polished look unique to Star Wars
>There is still not even PS4 games that look like this.
>tfw videogames look better than the prequelshits
I think he meant the metallic look of things. You know, everything being gray.
The way he says it is weird, but that's what I take from his note on blue/orange. (Which this picture also has.)
It's an old as fuck reaction image of a guy puking beer. It's textbook memetic mutation.
I agree, the prequels look incredible. So much better than those ugly video games.
>That clean, polished look unique to Star Wars
Are you high? The thing that made the OT stand out was that all of the technology looked used and lived in. The falcon had all kinds of scorch marks, the interior looks like my college apartment, it was only the imperials that had everything spotless and polished and that was to visually explain the differences of the empire vs. the rest of the galaxy. An antiseptic, inhumane order.
That part I knew, it's just I still find it difficult to believe the original is real.
I've seen people throw up before, but never like this. It's like if even the original is fake to me.
>people still think star wars is good for anything but the lore
>I've seen people throw up before
It's just a photo that got caught at a perfect time. Sure you've seen people throw up, but that exact shot lasts for a fraction of a second in the real world.
That kind of high pressure, still-foamy, projectile vomit makes me suspect either a keg-stand of shotgunning one too many beers.
I lived on the UW campus in Madison, Wisconsin for years. I hold a doctorate in alcohol-related vomit analysis.
Well, I guess I'll have to go with your superior expertise.
Still, this sort of stuff would have to spread it out a lot, and pretty much every time I saw anyone throw up, it was just kind of oozing out, with little to no forward momentum.
Maybe we just don't have the steam engine stomachs, necessary for this kind of pressure.