/tv/ btfo again

>>64649943
>it was meant to be bad
Yeah /tv/ sure got btfo.

>>64649943

that's just some bullshit like when a kid makes a lame excuse for not doing his homework

Poor explanation of things

>>64649943

Jewjew is saying he had no idea what he was doing.

>>64649943
idk if /pol/ or /tv/ gets btfod more

>>64650000
Exactly.

Saying, I knew some people would complain about the movie no matter what doesn't make those complaints any less valid, it just means you admit you'll always produce something heavily flawed

Basically Disney had to waste a movie to regain the trust of old people and people our age. Those jaded by the prequels.

They btfo the box office with literally a do-over-wipe-the-slate-clean movie

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>>64649943
Someone post that hitler quote about jews talking thier way out of blame

>damage control

If you have this many people calling you out for your shit movie and you have to release this many responses to criticism you have made a bad film. Good films don't release a bunch or responses or BS like that.

>to go forward we have to make the same shit over again

Nice excuse

>>64651809
>this many people

Pretty sure its just you reddit

>>64649943
He should have just stopped at acknowledging how certain criticisms could be made of his movie instead of that braindead excuse.

>>64649943
He doesn't care, he knows we know. And to be completely honest, he did the job he was paid to do, TFA is on the brick of beating Avatar.

Bad movie, oh yeah. Bad business? Not at all, not at all senpai.

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>Sometimes if you want to go forward Ray, you have to go backwards.

>>64652973
>on the brick of beating

That may be true, but reimaginings like this are a diamond dozen.

>>64652979
Lucas knew this

>>64649943
>hoping and praying that it would be smaller than not
Wot

>>64653009
Disney is not interested in soul in their products anymore. They want money, and they know how to get it. See Frozen, the most inoffensive and friendly movie of all time and also one of the most successful.

>>64649943
To go forward we must go backwards so we can go forward to the same exact spot we are in now so in order to move forward backwards in a forward interpretation of the same story backwards so that forward is the direction instead of backwards because I am an unoroginal cunt who can't go forward and has to go backward to provide the illusion of going forward.
-Jew Jew Abrams

>movie that everyone has seen needs a weekly press release because nobody cared enough to watch it again

>>64649943
>I knew that people would complain, so that makes their complains invalid.

>>64649943
shouldn't have paid to see it then, faggots. good job.

>>64649943
>I ripped it off on purpose but it was a stylistic choice, not a safe one

My hero

>>64653149
His statement actually validates the complaint that it's just a rip off, though. "To go forward, you need to go back." He might as well have said, "You're right. Please watch the next one."

>>64653175
It sounds like stupid artsy hipster dribble.

It's fucking condescending desu senpai

/tv/:"w-w-we were r-right... g-g-guys! S-see! All our sh-sh-(swallows rage for women and blacks) shitposting from moms basement was t-true! (Gulps Mountain Dew from filthy Big Gulp cup)

>>64653389
Go to bed Jew Jew.

>>64653389
t. Alberto Barbosa

>>64650082
Well it got universal praise so it seems that he won

>In order to use nostalgia to sell toys and other garbage, we had to recycle

>>64649943
>Knew that people would complain about this
>Did it anyway
Why, though? The complaints are legitimate Abrams, you fuck, and if you knew it was going to be a problem, why did you do it anyway? Are you so lazy that even knowing your bullshit's going to get called isn't enough to deter you?

>>64653164
I like alimoney memez better. But for some reason it has vanished lately. JUST>>64653164
>>64653164

Why do you guys spam BTFO when /tv/ was actually not btfo but in fact right? He is in full damage control in that article.

>>64653552
It's impossible to not be contrarian at this point

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>>64652979
>>64653022
nice

>a group of people

They're called Star Wars fans. No need to beat around the bush.

>>64653075
>complaining that a kid's movie is inoffensive
Motherfucker, are you really this retarded?

>>64653499
You don't understand. In order to move forward you must move backwards to allow yourself to move forward when moving forward is unattainble to facilitate the impression of moving forward by going backwards to go forward.
-Jew Jew Binks

>>64653499
Because he knew that people were going to watch it no matter what.

>>64653552
Because people are more likely to make angry responses if they have just been told that they were BTFO.

>>64649943
odd strategy against the critics.
"It's a ripoff!"
>oh yeah i get that, but...

>>64649943
How is that BTFO /tv/ in any way? It's laughable.
I can see him smiling to himself, thinking 'dude they'll think I'm the next fucking Plato' as he said that bullshit.
It explains nothing.

Then again, I suppose shills aren't paid to think about what they post so long as it praises the movie in some way.
Shit movie btw.

>>64649943
>i-i knew they'd say that
Yeah really BTFO

>>64653735
I think he knows it really doesn't matter what he says at this point, as long as it's somewhat comfortable. He knows he's not gonna direct the next one, so he's probably just like "well i did the best that i could".

>>64653499
>let some deviantart kiddie fuck with how lightsabers, x-wings and stormtroopers look and ruin their iconic designs just so Disney can sell new toys (We are doing this because it's meaningful and special)
>add in some nig and make the protagonist a woman SO PROGRESSIVE
>make a capeshit quality fanfic movie that anyone who even remotely liked Star Wars is guaranteed to hate
>throw in the old cast to taint their characters and forever ruin their memory
>watch the casualbux roll in

living the dream

>>64649943
GG Abrams. Wp.

>>64653463
>universal praise from the industry means the product was acceptable

Come on. You can't be this simple

>>64649943
>JewJew Abrams Responds to "Rip-Off" Critisim About "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" by stating it was indeed a rip-off.

great post OP

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>>64650000
Glorious

>>64649943
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpSbO1KV62w

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>>64650000
>>64650077
>>64651688
>>64653022
>>64653499
>>64653577
>>64653699
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>>64654603
Oh wow, is this a thread for repeating digits like mine?

>>64650082
>I knew that no matter what I posted id always get quads

>>64654662
dubby dub dubs and trips, just like huey lewis and the news.

>>64654662
Ya blew it

The Phantom Menace is about a kid from a desert planet leaving in order to train as a Jedi before blowing up a large structure to save the day and receive an award in a large ceremony at the end. The Star Wars story is cyclical; Lucas called it rhyming. It's perfectly fine to dislike that, but anyone who pretends that the prequels were bastions of originality compared to TFA is fooling themselves.

>>64649943
>didn't address criticism
>PR speak

so btfo

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>>64650000
truth

>>64653499
>>64650082
You don't get it. The film is itself an homage from beginning to end. Him acknowledging it isn't meant to deflect, it's to say "yeah, that's the point. You can like that or hate that."

I want to listen to his commentary track when the movie comes out on video. Say what you want, JJ is pretty honest about how his movies are perceived. The Star Trek commentary was full of self-deprecating lenseflare jokes

>>64654919
Producing shit while being self aware means you are still producing shit.

>>64655004
TFA isn't shit, though. Whether or not you think the callbacks go too far is subjective, but it's not a poorly-made movie.

>>64655004

It's better to be self-aware than having prequel-Lucas delusions of grandeur

>>64649943
>To go backwards to go forwards

Hopefully this is indicative of VIII and IX

>>64655068
For me as a viewer it makes no difference.

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>>64655068
Knowingly producing shit means he doesn't have any ambition to improve, which is a lot worse than mistakingly making a bad movie while thinking you're doing a good job.

>Sure the movie was mediocre, but you stupid fucking goyim were going to see it anyway, so why bother? You like Star Wars? Well here's two hours of Star Wars memes and feminism.

>>64655177
>producing shit
Stop meming. Pan is shit, TFA is okay.

>>64653009
Isn't the phrase dime a dozen?

>>64655068
Star Wars is only so heavily discussed because it has heart. If it becomes mass-produced capeshit it loses the magic. Lucas knew this, and tried to create unique aspects within everything he did.

>>64650000
And those lame excuses was still the most creative that one was back in school.

>>64655271
>because it has heart.
No it fucking doesn't. It's been a vehicle for toys and expanded universe nonsense since 1983.

>>64655263
That makes no sense

>>64655263

Hello, reddit!

>>64655295
I mean the movies, not your autist EU shit.

>>64655263
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>64655316
The prequels themselves have no heart. It doesn't have any characters, any humor, any originality. It's just nerdy world-building and horribly stilted scenes. At least TFA feels like it was written by a human being.

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>>64655320
>pre-Madonnas

>>64655349
>world-building

World building is giving a universe heart

>>64655353
you know that's copy pasta, which makes me the redditor

>>64655386
Heart comes from good characters. World-building, if you're being cynical, is about selling toys and novels about obscure characters, or giving the illusion of depth. A film with heart actually makes you feel something.

>>64655068
Obviously

>>64655125
The difference is in the end result

>>64655177
>he doesn't have any ambition to improve
Do you seriously think Abrams had any real creative control over the film? That it was supposed to be a remake was obviously something that Disney's PR people had chosen to do, possibly far before JJA was even thought of as director. TFA was only made to rebuild the old Star Wars fan base, that's been fucked in the ass by GL for years, and was pretty openly sceptical against the Disney buyout. All Disney wanted was to show the fans that they'll do what the fans want, and that they know what Star Wars is about, or at least WAS about, before those god-awful prequels.

>>64655522
How we perceive TFA 10 years from now depends entirely on where Rian Johnson takes the new characters. Kylo Ren has the potential to be the best character in the entire franchise if done right.

>>64655522
>All Disney wanted was to show the fans that they'll do what the fans want,
They have a funny way of showing it, by introducing a dindu nigger character and a coalburning feminist lead.

>>64655642

le nigger xDDD le red bill xDD back to le kitchen amirite? XDD

nice opinions bro

>>64655694
Back to gamerghazi, beta cuck.

>"to go back to go forwards"
Guys, I have no idea how to set up a trilogy, so I'll just copypaste a New Hope and the others can deal with the followups.

>>64655737
>sometimes, to go forwards [with making a profit], you need to remake the same shit because the goyim will eat it up

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A lot of people (hardcore SW fans) went into the movie looking for reasons to hate it, rather than enjoy it. Those people are called dickheads.

>>64655865
/tv/ hated the film before it came out. A lot of the ire was directed at the casting of Adam Driver and John Boyega, which ended up being the best parts of the movie.

>>64655865
http://www.theonion.com/article/fan-just-going-keep-open-mind-about-whether-new-st-52062

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Why do people keep pretending that Star Wars is a film franchise? I am not shitposting when I say that it's primarily a toy franchise with really 100 million dollar advertisement campaigns disguised as films. Every decision since Return of the Jedi has been about how to best sell toys. Every character inclusion and design. Why wasn't Han Solo killed off when that was the original plan? Dead Han Solo doesn't sell toys. Why didn't Luke turn evil like originally planned? Evil Luke doesn't sell toys. Ewoks? Toys.
Pic related, although slightly out of date now.

>>64656209
My nephew has never seen a Star Wars movie yet knows all the characters and has like 15 Star Wars toys

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This is literally how they write the star wars screenplays

>>64655865
So when i watch a movie i'm not to judge it based on its cinematic merit but rather i must create within me a place, a safe place, in which any aspect, no mater how nuanced that is either shown visually and or telegraphed audibly or a combination of the two, can go and be pampered and to have me come to /tv/ thereafter and say,

"although the plot was bland and was peppered with more holes than a sponge, and even if the characters were one dimensional with one being a blatant Mary Sue, the film itself was masterfully crafted and looked brighter than all the other movies."


tl;dr so when i pay my money for a gourmet steak and cheese sub, i should look for a reason to like it even if it taste like shit?

>>64649943
typical kike tactics appealing to reddit cucks

>>64653164

Vinceposting is too obscure to hit the big time, you have to put a lot of effort in for low reward and it has a high barrier to entry. plus not many people have seen TD2 so it's hard to jump into it easily.

>>64649943
>having an ugly cunt as the lead
>breaking every rule regarding the force and its uses/users
>having a whinny little bitch as the main villain
>make a film to pass your agenda about femicunts/diversity
>only answer critisim about the whole fucking film being a rip-off

Nice going you kike piece of shit

Movie wasn't great, but at least it was better than the prequels!

>>64650000
Quads of truth.

>>64650085
Its inevitable when the franchise went too far in some places.

>>64657835
what did he mean by this?

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>>64655353

>Sheev figma in the lair of a Redditor

Unforgivable.

>>64657538
>>64657538
they're trying to soften the blow the second one is going to get but there's nothing they can do. should have simply made a good movie. Avatar had a plot that was boring as shit but Jim went out of his way to find visual and audible cues that would soften people, so what you saw was fucking epic, even if a part of you was already bored with it because you saw the story done better somewhere else.

Jar Jar was more interested in making a piss poor copy using a five year old child and crayon.

>>64649943
if you post on /tv/ and bfto /tv/ aren't you btfoing yourself?

J.J., the sequel to a movie should not be an homage to it. That is making the same movie twice, it even has the same name. It's repetition.

Just because you had the task of introducing new characters does not mean it's acceptable. No one wants your version of A new hope, they want a new Star Wars movie.

Don't let ticket sales go to your head, J.J., brand recognition and marketing are responsible, no one is running out of the theaters begging their friends to see it too, mostly they just shrug and say it was OK.

>>64655522
The fans are fucking idiots that just want mindless action

Funny that RLM gives the prequels shit for that but then "I loved it, it was everything I wanted it to be" when TFA is exactly the same

>>64657314
>and even if the characters were one dimensional
This isn't true. The're far more developed than any of the characters were in A New Hope.

>>64658244
>J.J., the sequel to a movie should not be an homage to it
That's literally what 99% of sequels are. Even Aliens and Terminator 2.

>>64658387

Aliens has a Ripley that has gone beyond the scared victim and shows how futile even weapons would be in that situation it also raised the stakes and danger.

Terminator 2 did the same.

You see, those two examples followed a lead that had progressed, a female character that was strong, because of ordeals we saw, yet hardly unbeatable.

Although they had scenes emulating the previous film, they showed a continued story.

TFA is back to square one with new people.

Those were bad examples, anon.

>>64658387

A better comparison are the paranormal activity sequels.

This star wars movie is like a paranormal activity sequel, new people doing the same shit.

>>64658492
i'm with this guy.

>>64658179
not with reddit logic

>>64658538
Wrong example again. And hey, we're trying to talk films here, not shit movies that are made for nothing.

>>64658492
You're comparing the arcs of established characters to the beginnings of an arc for new characters. There's no proper comparison for TFA because there's no other series that came back nearly 40 years later with both the original cast and new additions, with a focus on the new additions. Honestly. you'd have more of a case if the new characters were just this film's surrogate for the old ones, but that clearly isn't the case. Kylo Ren is very different from Vader, Finn is cowardly unlike Han, and Rey isn't whiny like Luke was.

My point is that the basic plot structure for most sequels is often identical to the plot structure of their predecessor.

>>64658616
>Honestly. you'd have more of a case if the new characters were just this film's surrogate for the old ones, but that clearly isn't the case.

New characters. Same shit.

The fact that it's a sequel to a movie made long ago isn't as significant since the property had movies around ten yrs agoaround and exposure in all sorts of media. Nothing can compare with the property in that sense.

But thematically, literally, it accomplished the same as a paranormal activity sequel. New people, in the same situation as the last movie.

I guess an even more adequate comparison would be the Jason series. TFA accomplishes for the story the same thing every Jason sequel did. It happened a lot in the past, does it mean it was good? Or acceptable now?

>>64658616
Different Anon, but:
>Plot structure is often identical to the predecessor
>Examples being Terminator 2 and Aliens
Excuse me, but at what point was Terminator about taking the fight to the machines, seeking out the cause of Judgement Day and putting a stop to it, instead of just trying to survive the Terminator, and hopefully destroying it?
The plot of Terminator, was about escaping a looming menace, and coming to terms with the future.
Terminator 2, is about having accepted the future, and taking a proactive approach against it. Please, do tell me how Terminator 2 and Terminator are "identical".

Same with Alien and Aliens, where the first film once again is trying to survive an overwhelming, looming menace, while as Aliens is taking the fight to them.

I'm not even talking about characters here. Rey is the Anti-Luke who despite her capabilities keeps running away from danger, while Luke, despite his limited capabilities started running towards danger once he lost his home, to help fight to good fight.

The only similarity I can see between Terminator and Terminator 2, is that Judgement Day is a threat.
The only similarity I see between Alien and Aliens, is that Aliens are prowling, and must be put down.

Please, do enlighten me though. It's been a while since I saw these films, maybe they are identical.

>>64649943

This is the typical bullshit artists give to defend their crap.

Finding an euphemism for what you did doesn't make it any better. You can call it rip-off, rehash, remake, or 'to go backwards to go forwards', it's just a shitty rehash where everything feels forced to either a) make the situation remind of what it was in ANH, even if that destroys any progress of the story in 30+ years, or b) present some spectacular effects and marvel-like action scenes on screen.

>>64658775
Are you a plot babby? Wanna know why plot details are often spoiled in the introduction to old novels? Because the people who wrote it understand that the plot is just an excuse for character interaction. In fact, many great films and novels don't even have plots. No one who read Proust talks about how great is stories are, they talk about his characters.

>>64658843
>Alien
Go to a big alien planet, discover an alien, crew gets taken out one-by-one, Ripley survives and defeats the alien by blasting it out of an airlock
>Aliens
go to a big alien planet, discover aliens, spaces marines get taken out one-by-one, Ripley survives and defeats the last alien by blasting it out of an airlock
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>>64660005
But the people character interaction was shit.
Hell, I would have loved it if they would have toned down some of the fight scenes for a bit more character development, some of them, like Han's debt collectors' were completely unnecessary and weren't ever brought up again. It all felt rushed, as if there was meant to be more about the people but some high ups wanted to push in as many laser fights as they could.

>>64660162
The character interaction was spectacular, particularly the scenes between Han and Leia, which was able to articulate the status of their relationship without being obvious. The dialogue was generally much better than it was in the original trilogy, and the scene you're referring to does what the Greedo scene did so spectacularly well without also turning Han Solo into a murderer. The scene doesn't need to be brought up again; it's meant to inform the character, not become a focus of the narrative.

>>64660005
>Plot baby

Are you literally fucking retarded? Do you not realize that if someone wanted to watch that if people wanted a movie about people sitting in a room talking, they would make that movie? Every writer has their strengths, but to disregard plot to such a trivial sense is even more demeaning than someones legit criticism that jj just really didn't try.

>>64660083
There's a major thematic difference between getting there on an expedition, and getting there on a reclamation mission. The entire purpose, and tone of what's going on is different.

By that logic, The Empire Strikes Back is the same story as The Attack of the Clones.
>Big bad poses grave threat to main characters (constant assassination attempts/attack on Hoth)
>Leaving to search for truth (Luke to Yoda, Obi-Wan to Kamino or whatever it's called)
>Big bad gives chase to main characters (Jango vs. Obi-Wan, Empire vs. Millenium Falcon)
>Main characters get captured (Obi-Wan, Everyone but Luke)
>Big bad fights heroes, one of the heroes losing a body part (Anakin's arm, Luke's hand)
You're right in that it's poetry. It does rhyme.

But there is a difference between rhyming Hero with Zero, and rhyming Hero with Hero.

>>64649943
>make unoriginal shit movie with 3 new characters and not bringing anything new on the table
>DUDE IT'S STAR WARS LMAO

>>64660537
>Literary fiction does not focus on plot as much as paraliterary fiction.[4] Usually, the focus is on the "inner story" of the characters who drive the plot with detailed motivations to elicit "emotional involvement" in the reader.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_fiction#Plot
Plot is literally for plebs. Kylo Ren's inner turmoil, Rey learning to let go of Jakku and seek out Luke, Finn finding something to fight for. That's the narrative of The Force Awakens, not blowing up Starkiller base.

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>>64660786
Different Anon.
A) That is a funny quote. It makes it sound like the characters are the only form of "inner story" that a book can have. It's almost like it's from someone who never read Science Fiction.
B) What the "plot" is, is very subjective. Some people would say the plot is just the series of events, others would include the meaning and reasons of those events.
You're right if you're just talking down to the first part of that, but there have been great stories written about the rise and falls of empires and other things, that revolved entirely around the "plot", which plot happened to be about the hows and whys.
Acting like characters are the quintessential core of storytelling ignores a huge chunk of literature.

>>64660628
The new characters and various plot differences keep it from being a remake. One could easily call The Phantom Menace a remake because the basic plot is nearly identical to that of A New Hope, but people aren't as aware because they changed the Death Star to a federation ship, which is enough of a change to fool the casual viewer.

>>64661043
I mean you're right, to a point.
The Phantom Menace still had a lot more creativity in the way it was going about it, even if it was the wrong direction.

The point I'm trying to make, is that there is such a thing as the suspension of disbelief. Hero rhymes with Hero just as much as Hero rhymes with Zero. If you're not paying much attention to the words, it sounds just as right. But if you're aware of what just happened, when a song rhymes like that, it just takes you out of the experience, and that is one of the most important, core things a movie has to be able to provide. It needs to keep you in the moment.

The Prequels rhymed a lot, but they rhymed under the hood. It isn't until you start taking it apart until you see how everything is the same.

In the Force Awakens, you have so many things that just right out the box pull you out, nudging you "remember that?". Millenium Falcon flying through a bigger ship (Star Destroyer/Death Star 2), the Starkiller Base, the new Cantina, Han Solo's very New Hope acting, towards the new characters.

The only scenes where I could say I was fully invested, without feeling like I know exactly what this is trying to mimick on the first watching, was the squid part with Han's bigger ship, the opening, and some of the action sequences.

Everything else seemed like a direct rhyme with the same words.

To be fair, I'm pretty certain that 8 and 9 won't be similar at all to 5 and 6, so I'm not so worried about the similarities between 7 and 4. If they felt after so many years they had to try and settle things back down with something familiar, in order to have a base to work away from, then I'm fine with it. It will just hopefully be the weaker part of the new trilogy when it's all said and done.

>>64661039
>Acting like characters are the quintessential core of storytelling ignores a huge chunk of literature.
It actually doesn't. What distinguishes Shakespeare from the histories he borrows from is characterization. Early myth focused heavily on plot, as does modern genre fiction, but literary fiction has always thumbed its nose at the concept. Plot is a framework for characterization, and using it as anything else is how you get bad supermarket fiction.

>It's almost like it's from someone who never read Science Fiction.
A, science fiction is shit. And B, Star Wars isn't science fiction. There's no science in Star Wars.

>>64649943
he is in a Diablo 3 win-win scenario

he just like blizzard won since he already have the shekels of everyone who bought the hype

>>64661345
This anon is mostly right. Some films and novels, for instance, are literally just character studies. It's actually my favorite way to tell any narrative art, through characters.

>>64660628
Yeah, rhyming hero with hero isn't even rhyming, it's just putting the exact same word over again. I liked tfa better than the prequels don't get me wrong, I was just disappointed with its unoriginality. I would've been happy if they replaced star killer with anything else, everything else was forgivable except the blatant rehash of the death star.

>>64661307
What distinguishes your so called "hero and zero" rhyme from a "hero and hero" rhyme is completely subjective. The prequel trilogy told similar stories using the old characters of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi. The Force Awakens tells a very similar story using mostly new characters. How you define "originality" depends entirely if you're conception of original means world-building, or new characters and concepts. I was willing to accept the plot similarities in TFA because I understand that those similarities have always existed in the series, and the fact that it's more similar in that regard is a perfectly fine tradeoff for new, interesting characters.

>>64661567
>it's just putting the exact same word over again.
The Force Awakens isn't the same word. Similar plot, but the characters and their relation to one another isn't the same as A New Hope. The film literally doesn't end with another Throne Room award ceremony like The Phantom Menace does.

>>64649943
>to go backwards to go forward
you know, you'll get called a nazi if you say that without being a jew or a black person.

>Make something that's shit
>Well it was intentionally that way because of [half-baked reasoning]
>So you cannot argue that it was shit
I'll never understand this. Such extreme poetry was a shit choice, and wasn't particularly necessary, as he implies. It was an easy and lazy way to invoke the original movie. It results in people leaving the cinema with no doubt in their mind that what they watched was definitely "Star Wars", It felt like Star Wars, but there wasn't much meat to it. It was an empty copy.

>>64661668
Yeah but the star killer base has a lot more in common with the death star than a droid control ship does

Abrams hates hardcore fans. He sees them as a nuisance. He takes over recognizable brands and turns them into moneymaking blockbusters without any regard for people who were fans of the originals.

Wait...what? Go backwards to go forwards? This isn't acceptable filmmaking is it? People can't seriously think that means a fucking thing, do they?

That is the most insane, bullshit, fuck you ever.

Go to hell Abrams you sack of shit.

>>64661766
They serve the same plot function. And we're arguing the merits of one difference over another. Again, this is subjective. I can list all of the similarities between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace, but there's no way to determine whether or not they're worse than they are in The Force Awakens.

>>64654789
>prequels were bad so he would have released the star wars holiday special as force awakens and it would have been ok because prequels were bad
seem legit

>>64649943
>I meant to make a nostalgia flick with little to no respect to the source material
>I knew people wouldn't like it so that just inspired me to make sure and put out mediocre work anyways instead of, you know, actually try.

Yeah, /tv/ sure got rekt on this one.

Sad thing is, an actual star wars film would have made just as much money as this garbage and Disney is fully aware of it.

>>64661914
I'm arguing against the notion that the prequels were particularly original compared to TFA. Read my post again
>It's perfectly fine to dislike that

>>64654842
>making a sequel be a homage that resets the plot instead of making a sequel be a sequel
man what a shit idea

>>64662371
Literally every franchise has been doing this. It's called a soft reboot.

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>>64660424
>The character interaction was spectacular

>mfw

>>64662404

Doesn't mean it's acceptable.

A lot of people don't properly wipe their ass either.

>>64650000
I swear you never need to read more than the first few replies to every thread.

JJ pretending that reoccurring themes and a bad copy of something are even remotely the same thing.

Mindless drones will take his words as some kind of fact.

>>64649943
>"to tell a story that is new"

Well he kind of failed at that because it's NOT a new story.

>>64662596
It literally is a new story. Where in A New Hope does Luke bring Obi-Wan's lightsaber back in order to train with him after discovering a map to his location?

>>64661345
>A, science fiction is shit. And B, Star Wars isn't science fiction. There's no science in Star Wars.
A) Well screw you too, pal.
B) I didn't mean to imply Star Wars is science fiction, it definitely isn't. But Science Fiction is a great example of fiction that at its core doesn't rely on characterization.

In addendum to A.
Most stuff that pretends it's Science Fiction is shit, don't get me wrong. But Science Fiction is to character driven story telling, what a painting is to a sculpture. They have to be looked at differently, they have a completely different way to them. One example would be His Master's Voice, a book in which absolutely nothing happens, and it still manages to be interesting.

Fem Luke meets fem R2, is guided by fem Yoda and ends up with the Millennium Falcon and being Chewie's best friend even though he's known her for a few minutes.

And you are defending this lazy fanfic shit and also insisting Rey is not a Mary Sue.

>>64662663
>It's totally not A New Hope+first third of Empire Strikes Back, with the maguffin reused from Kotor.

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The only way to get such blatant pottery like this to work is to turn it around and make the replaying of A New Hope's plot be integral to the internal machinations of the story

What I'm saying is - make the new trilogy Metal Gear Solid 2

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>>64649943
>"But I knew we weren't making the movie for any other reason than we believed it could be something meaningful and special and entertaining and something worthy of people's time."

You've failed, your highness. This move is shit, like the prequels before it.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/09/force-awakens-dvd

No extended cut, only deleted scenes for the movie.

>>64649943
>btfo
You don't understand what that means... he's just putting out really weak excuses. Glad he is feeling the backlash.

>>64662663
imagine he would have been attacked by the Empire while looking for the droids, then gotten into a spaceship which he pilots, flies on his own to Alderaan, then gets picked up by a freighter, has to fight off some tentacle monsters, then meets Yoda on another planet who tells him that he doesn't need to go back to Tatooine because Owen and Beru were killed offscreen and he then he gets abducted by Vader into the Death Star. He later fights Vader and almost wins and then some guys blow up the Death Star.

>>64662815
Maybe we should wait until the new trilogy is over and they have done absolutely nothing to develop the oh-so-well set up characters of Finn, Rey and Kylo, and people have to admit that everything interesting about those characters, was stuff they told themselves, while their brain was in standby mode watching an empty film.
Then we can play the Sheev card.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAM6FycAyqA

Why does people pretend to like JJ Abrams?
Why do some people think he correctly adressed the critics on TFA when he clearly didn't explain shit, fixed anything or made valid points ?
Why are some people blind to JJ abrams being a autistic motherfucker with minimal talent ?
Why is this allowed?

>I was only pretending

Nice

>>64660850
>reddit

>>64660786

The film depicted none of those things.

Name once scene that demonstrates Rey 'learning to let go of Jakku'.

>>64663158
>We fell for the master troll

>>64661873
This

>>64650081
hi redit! wtf are you doing here again?

>>64662412
What's this from?

>>64649943
is this the birth of an epik new maymay?

"to go backwards to go forwards"

He can't write for shit then. Thankfully I saw the movie for free.

>>64662754
I don't think Star Wars fanboys would enjoy a movie telling them to stop self inserting into the main characters and actually go out and live your own life.

Avatar made a lot of money as well. Can you remember any of the characters' names though? No you can't.

This is just another high grossing shit movie.

>>64664555
But what about the timeless KAAAANJICLOOOB? There will be many stories about those uh...characters...for years to come!

>>64664555
>>64664685
The movie is 7 years old you faggots and the blueshits have weird names

>>64653089
Lol

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>>64653089
Dis sum gud shit anon
+1
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>>64653089
10/10
Sounds like Emmett Brown explaining the physics of time travel.

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>>64652979

>>64658591
>trying to talk film here
Star Wars is a flick at best, reddit.

"Making a movie is like going backwards to go forwards in the wibbly wobbly timey wimey....stuff."
-Jar Jar Abrams

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>>64650000

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>>64649943
How beat down do you have to be when you come out to the press, admit you did a shit job, and then try to walk out like you won a victory over the haters?
I almost feel bad... Then i remember that he decided to give female yoda character a light saber that should have been gone for ever and he will never give us the explanation about it, and it is all still cannon

>mfw my favorite sci-fi is now going to become as open ended, convoluted and unfinished as LOST

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"You see JJ (my apprentice) you sometimes have to look, and indeed, move backwards to go forwards. Do you know the biggest one I've done? The Dark Knight Rises? Perhaps the biggest one anyone's done, in truth? I looked back to the silent era, such as Fritz Lang's Metropolis, but at the same time, the film was a revolutionary epic, on the subject of Occupy Wallstreet (which did not happen in the silent era, you understand), so indeed, to go forwards, and approach a topographical contemporary subject, I in fact looked to the past, to Fritz Lang and Metropolis, to make the biggest anyone's done since the silent era. That said, dear boy, you should just copy A New Hope."
-Christopher Nolan

>>64665327
He has to make some kind of statement because publications like The New Yorker and even Cuckington Post are waking up and pointing out what a glib facsimile TFA is.

>>64649943

>to go backwards to go forwards

Imagine telling your professor this after he finds out you plagiarized most of an essay.

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>>64650000

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>>64665474
>collegefag
what's it like to be successful?

>>64649943
YOU HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS TO GO FORWARDS

HOLY SHIT MY SIDES

>>64649943
>You gotta go back to go forward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHyBICIcQA

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>>64665603
feels pretty good

>>64649943

Is there even a single person alive that absolutely loves the fact that the movie is a blatant 1:1 copy ?

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>>64665474
Any student would be an idiot to misinterpret JJ's words so badly.

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>>64666042
"misinterpret"

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JJ on suicide watch

>>64654919
The mi3 commentary made me cringe at times. You can just about hear tom cruise and Abrams jacking each other off as they comment how "no this scene was all you man!" "HAHA BUT I COULDNT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU!" "JAY JAY JIST HAS DIS STYLE THST IS JUST MmAZING!"

So he wants to make a shit dumped down movies to set a status quo for more dumped down movies, that brainless idiots will enjoy?

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>>64650000

>>64665388
The Newyorker likes the movie, though. Their article was mostly positive

>>64667506
The New Yorker is not a homogeneous entity where everyone tows the same line.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens

>On the other hand, it must be satisfying to see his gifts as a director, so long forgotten, be praised. “The Force Awakens” makes it once again possible to think about George Lucas as a man of imagination, of conviction, and (minus Jar Jar Binks) of taste—as a brilliant appropriator rather than an average one. It took a forgery to get him called an artist.

>>64653175
im not ever going to watch anything with him involved.

>>64666666

>>64667555
>Here, Abrams is following not only his instinct for homage (to Steven Spielberg, to Gene Roddenberry) but also the blueprints for rebooting a beloved franchise.

Read the whole article. It hardly bashed TFA.

Sometimes you have to go down to go up

I-Is he trying to Jedi Mind Trick us with stupidity?

>>64649943
>it was meant to be A New Hope to give a better understanding of who the characters should resemble.

And people doubted this was Disney Presents: Star Wars, The Cash Grab.

>>64667759
Lol no that is bashing my friend. Tasteful and contrite bashing

so basically this jew repackaged ANH with a cuck agenda

>>64652979
Isn't that the whole point of learning? First you embrace the past, and then go forward with continuity.

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>there are people who actually consider themselves serious Star Wars "fans" who think this movie was acceptable as a 7th episode iteration

think long and hard about this

>>64660005
too bad the characters are HOT FUCKING GARBAGE

>>64660786
>Kylo Ren's inner turmoil

is a perfect example of a character that's shitty because it ignores the universe it's in.

>>64649943
Translation

>duh there are references and similarities to the OT, did you think there wouldn't be?
>you actually think I was trying to keep it a secret?
>idc if it bothers you, it got critically acclaimed and made over a billion in like 3 weeks just like i knew it would because i'm fucking jj abrams