Do guys like this exist in real life? Would they really be able to boss around FBI agents?
Why open the door?
Your gun is in your lap the window is down. If you were even a kinda smart you placed plates in the door for extra protection if you weren't it's still better to have a door between you and a gun than nothing.
armored cars are really expensive and bullets go through regular cars like nothing, staying in a stationary car is worse than staying out in the open because you can't even run away fast
CIA agents with intelligence background and combat experience. They outrank everyone. The CIA recruits grunts from special forces. Clear and Present Danger gave a somewhat realistic depiction on how the grunts are recruited. The creepy guy in the tie in Apocalypse Now sitting in on Willard's briefing was a spook.
Is it part of their plan?
>in order to operate outside of the CONUS
Yes, that's what real spies are like. Not James Bond shit, actual on the ground intel gathering is done by local people ("assets") the agent ("handler") hires to do it since obviously a foreigner going about trying to buddy up with the targets would be suspicious as hell.
The actual shooting guns at enemies part is done by operators like that. Usually they don't even bother even pretending to be official by having another agency there, they are usually mercenaries/PMCs made up of ex-special forces of the country that's using them, so if the mission goes tits up and they get caught or kill a bunch of civies or whatever the government sending them can go oh jeez they're not our military they're from a private organization and there's no proof we hired them.
Movies make PMCs out to be entirely separate entities that go to the highest bidder and might even be an enemy of the country they're based out of but they're basically just a way for a state's intelligence agencies to kill whoever they want with plausible deniability.
Having an iq over a 100.
Having access to the largest database of information in all of recorded human history.
Really being lel so randum ignorant is peasant talk for i'm too lazy to learn things and i don't want to be ridiculed for being dumb so instead i'm going to embrace this corporate backed image of X-Y-Z.
Real spies sit in offices, do paper work and collaborate with the ones that look at SIGINT.
What you're talking about is another part of HUMINT.
Also, unmarked means you can essentially do what you want. That's why PMCs exist in the first place, to allow agencies and governments to operate on their own soil without going against their own laws.
His finger is on the trigger because he knows he's about to ice those guys. He looks away for a second to make them think that he lost interest, then when they make their move he's ready to shoot.
The ones that actively engage in SIGINT. Which is what the CIA, at least officially leaves to other agencies.
Operating unmarked in the field, as a fairly straight forward special forces guy doesn't make you a spy.
I'm pretty sure the guy said something along the lines of "CIA isn't supposed to work this side of the fence/border" which would suggest American soil. Doesn't make sense otherwise unless the whole operation is completely unknown to the people that approve foreign operations.
>Matt tells Kate to stay out of the way as she is only there because the CIA can only work in the U.S. as being attached to a domestic agency.
Matt says it when they're planning the raid with the Delta operators in the motel room
le sarcasm man
Check out some of this. As always, half of it is DISINFO and half of it is genuine.
DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6), ISA, 24th STS.
These are just the common names people know the Units by. For example, Delta has been called CAG and ACE in more recent years.
Also, there is a unit within the CIA called the SAD, comprised of paramilitary officers recruited from the the units mentioned above.
>Also, there is a unit within the CIA called the SAD, comprised of paramilitary officers recruited from the the units mentioned above.
Isn't Brolin SAD in this movie? Meaning he was probably delta or DEVGRU in the past?
I don't think you know what SIGINT and evaluation of said information is, but if you want to consider every unmarked Delta operative that is sent into the field for CIA operations a spy, go right ahead.
The CIA used to oversee the majority of cocaine distributed in the United States and probably started the crack epidemic.
I would like to operate and shoot down Mexicans for a living
Generally I really wouldn't mind working for the government
>tfw it will never ever happen because I don't want anyone to look at my internet history
>but if you want to consider every unmarked Delta operative that is sent into the field for CIA operations a spy, go right ahead.
I don't, and no part of my post says they should be. I'm mocking your idea that people who sit in offices consider themselves 'real spies'. They don't.
If they do its only for a few days until everyone else laughs at them for thinking they're james bond and then they get stuck making the coffee for a month.
>I don't think you know what SIGINT and evaluation of said information
I'd assume Brolin is part of either SAD or another CIA group that's designated with covert direct action shit like depicted in the movie.
He's probably either from DEV or Delta seeing as they train together and their roles are fairly similar these days, the use of Delta in the movie doesn't mean that he's necessarily from there.
I remember reading a book by a Delta guy who described seeing "in-house" SAD guys (not recruited from the military) as something rare, with him only really working with 1 such person.
I'm pretty sure it's the latter. The SAD is strictly part of the CIA and doesn't report to the military if I remember correctly
Somewhat of the latter' SAD operatives are usually Delta/MARSOC/DEVGRU guys that have done intensive tours and are recruited.
When they are CIA they aren't military perse any longer so it's not really the former statement you made.
But the CIA usually gets the special forces guys that are on their way out anyway so they have men replacing them.
It exists so that the CIA has their own specialized force and can directly recruit the best from said groups, which will be used in theoretical situations like the one in Sicario.
It's better for them to have control over their own unit.
it's all true the CIA invented crack and now they put brainwaves in our water
wake the fuck up
9/11 bush done knocked down the towers you know it
>implying nerd guy wasn't head of SOG after being recruited from delta years before
We wanted to fight a war in Nicaragua to overthrow the "communists" but the US Congress didn't want to pay for it and the American public didn't want to support it.
So we let the Nicaraguans smuggle a bunch of cocaine into the US.
>the American public didn't want to support it
implying that has ever stopped anyone
>US Congress didn't want to pay for it
so instead of fighting war they decided to have them smuggle crack?
do i have to point out how that makes no sense whatsoever?
I think there is a misunderstanding here, I'm not talking about every officefag in existence. You think the people that work SIGINT don't sit in offices though?
It's not about bureaucracy related guys at all. The point was mainly related to the fact that not every inna field guy is a real "spy" and that plenty "real" spies do sit in offices and stare at the same shit for hours in order to make sense of Muslims fucking goats.
it's almost like cocaine was a ridiculously lucrative commodity and you need money for equipment, fuel and wages for retards to before you can fight a war.
do i really have to spell this out for you?
i mean you don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but it happened
But since the president now has a declared war going on in over a hundred countries (legally speaking), what purpose would SAD serve, other than the personal interests of the people in charge at the CIA? JSOC can do all of the things that previously only they were 'allowed' to do, right?
spook reading list:
The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, David Talbot, 978-0062416933
Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA, Tim Weiner, 978-0-385-51445-3
Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions since World War II, William Blum, 1-56751-253-4
yes, these people definitely do exist
SAD has plausible deniability in overseas countries, and they don't report to the military, they report directly to the Director of National Intelligence who then reports to the President.
DEVGRU still has American patches on their BDU's, and they are usually identified as armed combatants.
SAD operatives could be in squads in full gear, they could also be scattered around dressed as civilians ready to assassinate someone.
That's what SAD can do versus the protocol that military groups have to follow.
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What? How did anything change? Also, the CIA doesn't only deal with war related shit. Mexico isn't at war with the US is it? They pull shit all over the planet, who fucking knows what they do.
SAD is the active fighting arm of the CIA, which makes them the tool that can be used for covert operations the US doesn't want to be involvement in. Other known special forces can't just enter any other country.
SAD recruits out of other SOF units. not only the super exclusive ones though - I believe they recruit out of the green berets even. all you need to get in there is a degree and some language aptitude plus physical requirements. that said, just meeting the requirements for a green beret isn't going to get you into the SAD.
I am not sure if they still do this but I heard the US military had been recruiting through video games like CoD and Counter Strike, namely people who showed excellent tactical awareness and positioning skills. I read an article once that one guy was an operator in a game almost, they recruited him and he just needed to become fitter and some other intelligence-based skills.
The Director of the CIA is a civilian position who reports to Director of Nat Int and then the President, its an unbroken direct line to the highest executive authority, they can do things other units can't do.
>Director of National Intelligence
But the director of national Intelligence is a position that was invented after 2001 to give more power to the military. The CIA has disputed the DNI's authority over them.
That makes it sound like they are a vestige of the new centralized military hierarchy, not an independent CIA army.
JSOC operates exactly like SAD does, except they don't try to hide their nationality. JSOC can operate anywhere on earth essentially, under the war on terrorism's redefinition of a 'military theater'. Mexico certainly counts.
They are very active in Africa, where the U.S. jumps through hoops to pretend our military efforts are not actually kinetic operations.
There seems to be a lot of knowledge in this thread so I'll ask something that's been bothering me for awhile.
What was Del Toro exactly? I know this film likes to blur the lines between good guys and bad guys and shit but he was hardly a literal Medillín hitman was he?
I know they said that but he must have been infamous enough to be recognized as "Medellín" even by simple drug mules. I assume he has more of a background than being a simple prosecutor. The man seemed to be as capable an operator (if not even more so) as the actual special forces.
Kony 2012 was a psy op that directly preceded the congress authorizing a deployment of several thousand soldiers in North Eastern Africa. Benghazi was triggered by some CIA gun running that was covered up, even though we very clearly just invaded Libya under the guise of a European led coalition. Our contribution to treating the recent ebola outbreak was something like 10,000 marines.
Anything to say we are doing something humanitarian rather than just another military operation. I would guess its because appearing to engage in clonialism is a much more sensitive issue in Africa than other parts of the world.
The movie is unrealistic because the CIA would never just recruit a random FBI agent in the hopes that she would just go along for the ride and sign off on everything in the end. What if she refused and chose instead to let Del Toro kill her and "die for her country?" They'd be up shit creek without a paddle. No, they'd have someone on the inside of the FBI ready to go and completely down with everything. Leaving things up to chance, like they did in the movie, is too messy.
They didnt recognise him, but some tooled up operator just busted in on their drug operation and killed someone. He assumed it was Medellin cos they're the only ones who have that kind of resources. Del Toro's plot line was dumb imo, he was a prosecutor who's
family were murderedso he became a good operator and, as CIA said, worked for anyone who would allow him to have a pop at the people who did it. He was a freelancer, basically.
But does it really? I thought the point of disguising under what flag you operate was to be able to fight the cold war all over the world without violating international treaties. If we now openly wage war in dozens of countries around the world simultaneously, what is the actual point of doing the same sort of asymmetrical warfare shit without ever putting on a uniform?
It's so you can remove people without having your countrie's name attached to it, same goes for any other operation. Also, unmarked, no patch and so on means you can do whatever you want. Pretty obvious to be honest.
But my point is JSOC already 'does what it wants', you read? They do all of the assassination, wanton slaughter, and warlord collaborating that the CIA had a monopoly on. I understand the stated purpose when no military unit can do all of those things, but I'm saying that because there demonstrably is one now, why have SAD?
He was a prosecutor with military training but how much is anyones guess.
Its never outright said but its somewhat implied that after the deaths of his family by that particular cartel he joined up with another cartel (Colombians) and very much likely received much more training from that.
I think theres actually be mention of making a 2nd movie about Del Toros character
>interrogate innocent man
>happily signs confession to all sorts of things he carefully confesses to over the course of a couple hours
>immediately attacks FBI agent with a shower rail (ftw) after signing confession
>forces knocked-over FBI agent to shoot him in the top of his head as he lunges forward with his shower rail
>just as soon as all other LEO are not immediately inside the room with them and the suspect
5/5 breddy conscience much plausibility
Carter was surprised, Reagen was infirm but partially surprised, Bush was a former spook himself, Clinton is said to have some spooky ties, as is Obimmer, and thats all the presidents we've had so far since they crashed this country with no survivors.
I read that in Michael Westen's voice
CIA picks who they want from special forces units like the Seals, Delta or green berets.
They get put into HRT, and related teams and act as the muscle/soldering aspect of missions when its needed
if shit goes south they have more weight to push around and are better at handling something like that so they more or less can take over
if they want to get into a pissing contest about brass back at the office then fine, but they need to get back to the office first
The director is a SJW alright
And his last two movies are disiculous.
But movies aren't all about directors. They sometimes hire talents beyond them who put in valuable details to the movies
Its just an obervation bruv, nothing more.I'm not really concerned with how the perception of my identity affects the reader, since that can only be a projection m8. We are still anonymous on this website afterall.
I don't assume everybody ITT is an ex-navy seal just because they write authoritatively. Observations can't really be verified
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So CIA talked about how back in the day they could control things because there was just one cartel.
On the other hand, the films makes it very clear over and over that when you knock off someone higher up, it just creates even more chaos.
How are they going to restore some semblance of order if they keep assassinating people and creating chaos? I feel like I missed something.
I think it has to do with his mother's ties to the CIA.
Also the whole Bill Ayers thing. Bill Ayers is an old federal plant who acts as the reformed image of the militarized left-wing fringe of the 1960s.
The first association is much more concrete than the second.
>How are they going to restore some semblance of order if they keep assassinating people and creating chaos? I feel like I missed something.
Kill off the Mexicans and put the Colombians back in power who they somehow have leverage and power over, probably back from the narco wars in the 70s and 80s.
CONUS stands for Contiguous United States, not Continental. Alaska is part of the continent, but not part of CONUS, which is the "lower 48," so not Alaska, Hawaii, and all territories/protectorates.
Did you not watch the movie
They plan on putting the drug trade under control of the cartel Benicio DelToro is working for, the Colombians
So they plan on decapitating the snake and replacing Mexicans with Colombians
The end of the movie clearly shows that their plan didn't work
>he was given ungodly amounts of money and given a rapidly manufactured public persona that could not be contradicted by past experience
Actual reason ^^^
We really haven't had a president with zero spook fingers in the porridge since Carter, that's a common fact.
Everyone forgets that H-Dubya, before becoming VP and later POTUS, was the fucking CIA Director. He was the head of the snake. I wouldn't be surprised if he had power in the shadows greater than any president to come after him.
>I wouldn't be surprised if he had power in the shadows greater than any president to come after him.
Nah, there's this guy.
>Kill off the Mexicans and put the Colombians back in power who they somehow have leverage and power over, probably back from the narco wars in the 70s and 80s.
The Columbian drug lords aren’t really out of power, (the coke is still grown and processed in Columbia, Bolivia and Peru) it’s that when the U.S. shut down the _direct_ importation routes of coke from Columbia to the U.S. in the 1980s, the Columbians switched to using the Mexicans as middle-men and started shipping the coke from Columbia to Mexico and from there to the U.S.
This resulted in a steady increase in wealth and power for the Mexican drug lords but this also meant that instead of the drug trade being tightly controlled by a handful of mobsters in the Columbian Medellín and later Cali Cartels, there are now half a dozen or more Mexican cartels all doing their own thing and constantly waring with each other over profits.
You can't even fathom how powerful the Vatican is, STILL is after all these centuries.
it's like you've never actually fired a weapon before
For 16 years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991. He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election, despite widespread accusations of vote-rigging, and was reelected in 2004. Because of constitutionally mandated term limits, Putin was ineligible to run for a third consecutive presidential term in 2008. Dmitry Medvedev won the 2008 presidential election and appointed Putin as Prime Minister, beginning a period of so-called "tandemocracy". In September 2011, following a change in the law extending the presidential term from four years to six, Putin announced that he would seek a third, non-consecutive term as President in the 2012 presidential election, an announcement which led to large-scale protests in many Russian cities. In March 2012, he won the election, which was criticized for procedural irregularities, and is serving a six-year term.
The irony is you are posting a picture of the first pope to meaningfully introduce the influence of american power structures to the papacy, probably the greatest subversion of church autonomy in the last centuries.
I am including Vatican II in that.
>character literally pulls the trigger to shoot someone to death twenty seconds later
WHY WOULD HE POSSIBLY WANT TO PUT THE FINGER ON THE TRIGGER
HOW COME HE DIDNT JUST USE HIS WEAPONS VOICE COMMAND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
>Do we know all of the secrets of the vatican?
ONCE MORE THE SITH SHALL RULE CATHOLOCISM
he intends to kill someone, they know the beaners have guns and are out to shoot them so they have their finger on the trigger so they can kill them first
watch the movie before spewing autism
Get real. Vidya game players are the last kind of people militaries want. they're looking for athletes, farm boys, and dudes with useful technical skills. If you want to join an outfit just get in shape and fly to France. the legion will either take you in or laugh in your face for thinking a fat faggot nerd like you could ever be an operative. but you lose nothing but travel expense if you fail, so go for it. And be sure to lie about ever having played vidya games
>duuurrr he's gonna shoot them
Stop being fucking retarded, he's in an environment surrounded by civilians.
His reaction time wouldn't have been drastically compromised just by keeping his finger straight.
I understand you like the movie, but don''t try and argue about something you don't know shit about.
The military has been studying gamers for decades. aprobably weren't even on earth to hear the word of mouth rumors about government agents planting their own arcade games to collect data on players.
Drone pilots are just flight sim autists.
>look at me I'm retarded
Finger straight and off the trigger, especially if there are civilians around. He could've made the same shots if he kept his finger straight and would have actually looked like a professional doing it.
nigger ur both retarded and austistic
what he does makes perfect sense, if he wants to kill someone he puts his finger on the trigger
the movie clearly shows that he does not care about civilians and that he is determined to kill a bunch of mexicans
go complain that it's not called a clip you cuck
Civilians argument doesn't matter if your own life is on the line
I highly doubt the SEALs were busting down doors in bin Laden's compound with their fingers off the trigger even though there were civilians
>I have 4 men in my sight who I know are armed
>I HAVE TO KEEP MY FINGER OF THE TRIGGER BECAUSE WEAPON HANDLING
if youre walking A to B, finger off the trigger, if you're having a FUCKING MEXICAN STANDOFF finger on the trigger.
you fucking nigger
I shit my pants when I found out this was the same actor
> trigger discipline spazz fest
Y’all realize you’re being trolled, right?…
>ROEs having anything to do with where your finger is
>"There's a hostile with a gun pointed at me! I better not put my finger on the trigger though because the ROE says I can't engage unless engaged!"
Please think a little bit more before posting
He's a very bright guy and a skilled backroom backstabber, but he's also a neocon true believer which means his clandestine activities, whatever they may have been, were probably far more boring than you'd suspect. His biggest shenanigans are mostly out in the open, however. For example, he was apparently one of the driving forces behind the Iraq War, because his cronies in Saudi Arabia and the military were both sick of our protracted cold war status with Saddam that was costing everyone lots of money.
>Range practice =/= combat practice
Good to know you at least accept that your wrong then. Why don't you just stick to shooting your little .22s on the range and stop trying to sound like you'd know what the fuck to do in this situation ,kid.
/k/ is the worst board
it's like the annoying mom that sits on the couch and goes "that's unrealistic!" every time anything happens in a movie
but in this case she also happens to be completely fucking wrong
It was enjoyable, if you liked Villeneuve's other works you'll like it
And you do know?
Nice forum sliding you wanton faggots, couldn't even be bothered to keep going, the number of shill posts about this one asinine topics posted in such a small amount of time is unreal.
>This movie kinda sucked-there was no reason for Emily Blunt to start crying and shit.
I was surprised that the movie actually showed a woman breaking down from the stress.
No anon, don't be silly.
That'll be the dream, yo. They can do fantasy shit like Shannara and scifi shit like Expanse and Minority Report but not Ctulthu mythos.
I though True Detective would break mythos shit into mainstream but it didn't.
>mfw steve, alejandro and graver operator sequel