>>64637048 >You mean the interaction between Lector and Graham speed talking in Manhunter? Well, for starters the setting of the first scene between the two is shot in a way that the bars are always between the camera and the speaker. There presents and idea that both Hannibal and Will are trapped in different ways. You can take a lot of elements from that scene and analyze them.
Compared to Red Dragon, Hannibal's cell is just the cell from SoTL, but with the lighting and filters cranked up to take it from realistic to spooky haunted dungeon.
Then you have other things, like the parallels between how Graham and Dollarhyde interact with Lounds. Lounds takes advantage of them at their lowest, Will when he is hospitalized, and Dollarhyde by insulting his manhood. Both respond with violence, Will by throwing him into a car, Dollarhyde by killing him.
Then you have shots like pic related. Dollarhyde is dead and his pose and blood making him resemble the red dragon he worshiped. But instead of being all powerful he is weak and at the mercy of Will. Also, Will's head is cut off in the shot which plays into the theme of him losing himself and his humanity in the pursuit of dollarhyde.
Those are just three examples I can think of off the top of my head. There is a lot of depth to manhunter and Mann's near autistic level of attention to detail is what makes it such a great film.
It had good performances, but I don't think they were better. Norton's Will Graham is a bland FBI agent, Peterson is insane and terrified of who he is. The supporting characters are roughly the same. I guess you could argue that Fiennes did a better job than Noonan, but Dolarhyde is used differently in each movie. Fiennes had the chance to play a more complete character, but Noonan played the scary, menacing mystery that Manhunter was going for.
>>64637048 >They talk fast because they're both smart, get it? They talk fast because they hate each other. Graham is trying to get the experience over with as soon as possible, and Lector is fucking with the person who put him in jail. In the book, the two weren't friends. Will Graham literally went insane trying to get into Lector's head during the investigation, and when he finally caught him, he almost died. To Graham, Lector is a representation of everything he hates about himself, and he doesn't want to be around him. And Lector hates Graham fro catching him based on luck and a hunch, and confining him to a metal hospital; don't forget that he tries to have him killed. It's a conversation between two people that hate each other, and Manhunter shows that well.
>>64638270 Those are posts by two different people man. I'm the second one. And I don't give a shit about Ratner. Red Dragon is a perfectly good movie, and a good adaptation of the book that Ratner actually did a fine job handling. I just think Manhunter did a better job.
And the character information isn't made up. Read the book, Graham and Lector really don't like each other, and Graham is scared shitless and losing his mind again. The movie also makes this clear by having Graham lose it after the interview, and talk about his past with his son.
Cox does a great job of portraying Lector as he is in Red Dragon. He's not the suave supervillain pop culture made him into, he's just a pissed off, manipulative psychopath with a superiority complex and a grudge against Will Graham.
>>64638736 You're right. It had absolutely nothing to do with there being a series of books that the movies were adapted from. No one cared about Manhunter. Silence of the Lambs was a huge hit, Hannibal does well, and a modern day prequel was just a cash grab.
>Manhunter >Scenes showing hours upon hours of dedicated viewing of evidence and the video tape. Reflection on the material. You feel the frustration of William Graham, that aha moment when he finally notices something and all of the pieces come together.
>Red Dragon >Wait Lector said that one thing, let's look at the tape, oh that's what he means let's go get him!
It worked in Silence of the Lambs. It was horribly forced and stupid in Red Dragon.
>>64638837 It worked in Silence of the Lambs because Clarice was a trainee who didn't do very much right, and only managed to catch the killer by accident. Will Graham is supposed to be such a good investigator that the the FBI had to ask him back from retirement and risk him losing his mind again.
>>64639381 And because Lector knew who Buffalo Bill was the entire time. He was basically fucking with Clarice the entire time and dropping obscure hints on purpose. He had no idea who the Tooth Fairy was.
>>64641777 The problem is Brett let pop culture influence the film. Hannibal is supposed to be a small part of a bigger picture but because The Silence of the Lambs was such a huge hit Hannibal gets a ton of unnecessary screentime. Another big problem is Brett Ratner is a fucking awful director. Michael Mann's beautiful, atmospheric style elevated the material. Brett tried and failed to copy what Jonathan Demme did on The Silence of the Lambs.
Everything about Manhunter was superior, except for the climax. Really awkward fucking editing, gives it a really dated and cheesy vibe in contrast to the rest of the film which came off as reserved for the most part.
Especially odd considering that Michael Mann has directed some of the best action movie climaxes ever. It's literally his thing
>>64643798 One good movie doesn't redeem a director that has made tons and tons of shit. Plus Rush Hour isn't anything special. It's an enjoyable action comedy but anyone could've directed that movie, Brett adds nothing to it.
>>64641805 he's shit for the toothfairy looks wise. dolarhyde is supposed to be handsome, he only thinks he is hideous because of abuse and his childhood being deformed. he still believed he was ugly even after his palate was fixed.
turning him into a bald, grey haired creep is just.... i dont understand the decision to do it when they make a point in a book to talk about how good looking he is and how all the women he works with think he's hot and mysterious.
>>64644041 Nah. Jew Jew is extremely overrated but he's good at directing fast paced action scenes. Most of his movies have major script issues but the action is always enjoyable. Brett is completely talentless.
>>64643960 I can get behind this, but I still like Dancy a lot. Norton just seemed like he didn't give a fuck about the role beyond the paycheck. or maybe it's because Ratner is a mediocre director and cant get more out of his actors
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