so he basically ruined everything right?
>this kid will bring balance to the force we need him
>no, hes too old and you already have a padawan
>fuck you ill train him anyway, hes the jedi we all waited for
so because of him anakin literally fucks up everything because hes a selfish idiot
even like 50 years later and after his death the force isnt "balanced" and theres still war
how many billions of people would have been saved if anakin just had mace windu killed palpatine? probably none of the three deathstars would have been built
and all that thanks to mr jinn who dies like a bitch
>even like 50 years later and after his death the force isnt "balanced" and theres still war
>Implying TFA is canon
Under that point of view, Anakin did nothing wrong because the empire was needed and the jedis were outdated
In the only real and original Star Wars saga (1-6) Anakin destroying the Sith felt like an inevitability, almost like he was destined to do it at some point. Like when he failed to do so as a Jedi, he succeeded as a Sith later. I think that if Qui Gon had not found him, someone else eventually would have
Even if ANAKIN never left tattooine, palpatine would have still succeeded in his plot and killed all the Jedi.
It would just mean that ANAKIN never ended up killing palpatine twenty years later, and that Luke and Leia would never exist
This. It wasn't Anakin who destroyed the Jedi, it was Sheev. Anakin just killed some younglings in the temple and then killed the separatist leaders, nothing a Clone squad wouldn't be able to do
Anakin did bring balance to the Force. He was destined to destroy the Sith: Maul, Dooku, and Palpatine. Obi-Wan upset the order of things when he killed Maul, so Anakin had to kill him eventually to complete his destiny and restore the Force.
again with this. The Light Side of the force is brought up exactly ZERO times in the original six. ZERO. Because there is NO light side. There is the force, and The Dark Side, which is a perversion of the force. Balance is The Force being restored back to it's natural state.
You didn't account for the fact that Mace Windu would have killed Palpatine before any of that nonsense happened if Anakin didn't stop him.
Of course you could argue if Anakinwas never in the picture the whole universe would have turned out differently because butterfly effect , and all.
>pointless discussion is pointless
Carry on /tv
They needed Vader to throw Sidious down the well at the end of Return of the Jedi.
The new threat is basically non-Sith based.
Prequels are the best. I feel like star wars episode 4-5-6 are prequels to 3 new episodes of better cinema.
Technically Lucas' involvement in writing it makes it cannon.
Obsessing over a personal, non-technical, interpretation of what is cannon is autist behavior.
>implying he didn't see the hypocrisy of the jedi order and intended for anakin to destroy them
No, he actually listened to the Force instead of being blinded by the arrogant straight laced Jedi. Not his fault the Force decided it had enough of the Jedi and had them butchered to help bring about balance, only to do the same later with the Sith.
IIRC there is a scene where Mace and some other jedi masters are discussing Sheev, they're worried about how much power he has acquired and that they'll need to force him to step down if he won't willingly surrender his power after the clones war are done. So really he was already on their radar and the jedi would have come for him eventually
The Jedi dominated the Republic.
So ironically, by murdering almost every jedi and reducing force practitioners down to a handful of sith and a handful of jedi, he really did balance the sides of the force.
Killing the Emperor made no difference. He fulfilled the prophecy at the Jedi Temple.
Yes, because if you interpret it as Light Side - Dark Side then balance means both sides being equally strong and Anakin's prophecy makes no sense. If you interpret it as the Force and the aberration that is the Dark side (the correct way), balance would be achieved by destroying the Dark side which is what Anakin did
Lucas makes it a bit more complicated in TCW (inb4 not canon, Lucas made it)
There's a planet with the Father who symbolizes the Force, the Son who symbolizes the Dark Side, and the Daughter who symbolizes the Light Side. The Son tried to overthrow his Father while the Daughter tried to protect him, then Anakin the chosen one shows up to restore the balance and in the end they all die.
>So ironically, by murdering almost every jedi and reducing force practitioners down to a handful of sith and a handful of jedi, he really did balance the sides of the force.
That wasn't Anakin, that was Sheev and the Clones. Anakin did not kill any Jedi
never said light and dark.....jedi and sith are two opposing forces, both utilizing the force (equal and opposite sides) this would mean it would not be balanced if one existed in dominion over the other. So yes balance to the force would be brought about by both forces existing in continual conflict.
"balance" will never be achieved
He killed dozens of jedi, and one or two sith.
The postwar situation is pretty balanced and even in terms of numbers. Prophecy fulfilled. Big whoop.
Honestly, the prophecy should never have been written.
It doesn't make any sense for Darth Vader, who is equal in rank to Tarkin and gets sassed by his subordinate officers, to be some kind of Dark Jesus figure. He isn't even second in command, he just seems to be a favourite of the Emperor because of his force abilities and competence. The prophecy was just an excuse to force more drama into the prequel trilogy.
> Anakin did not kill any Jedi
>MASTAH SKYWALKER THERES TOO MANY
also they watch him murder jedi on a security camera in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cQjqv3iwwM
(1.40 to be exact)
>tfw you realize that the Jedi Council, the Republic, and Sheev all had to be taken and destroyed, like so much garbage...
actually, Anakin Skywalker DID bring balance to the force, just in a very round about fucked up way. Upon becoming Palpatine's apprentice, he kills all jedi at the jedi temple with the exception of Obi Wan and Yoda, thus balancing both sides of light and dark. 2 Jedi / 2 Sith. THEN upon the birth of Luke and Leia, the force had become unbalanced again. The now Darth Vader couldn't have not realized the shift in the force, though bides his time. Then he killed Obi Wan, thus balancing the force again. Yoda finally kicks it from (OBSCENELY) old age, leaving Luke as the only Jedi left leaving the force unbalanced again. In the final face off on the death star 2.0, Darth Vader / Anakin(?) realizes the only way to re-balance the force is to kill the emperor along with himself, leaving Luke as the last sole Force user as a "Grey" Jedi (Neither Light or Dark which is why Luke is capable of using darkside powers displayed earlier in RotJ, but practices restraint when he refuses to kill his father! BOOM! SCIENCE BITCHES!!
Not that other anon but I always assumed Vadar had complete authority on almost all matters and a rank outside of the military as the emporers hand. He basically showed up and choked you until you did your job better
This kid balances the force, all the council members look around at the fuck load of jedi in power, nah we are alright there is only a couple of dark side users knocking about.
Yeah we need balance guys how could this go wrong. Qui Gon was a fucking mug.
Obi-Wan trained him and the council agreed to it. So no Qui-gon did nothing wrong. Pay better attention next time.
Anakin wasn't the chosen one.
It was Luke, he brought balance to the force, he fought Vader with anger and compassion he was neither light side or dark side.
He died before he could slap anakin into shape. And obi wan trained him. If you want to get really technical, you could say its the mother's fault for being a crappy single mother.
>impregnated by the force
In fact, the entire story is about crappy parents
>anakin not having a father, poor and incapable mother
>luke having no parents, only guardians
>rey, no parents, abandoned and remembers it
>kylo ren, shitty father and selfish mother, kills his father
There are a lot of people with psychological disorders in the movie
You can say all the jedi are orphans too. They are literally trained without parents EVER from little toddler age.
The sith are the same thing.
Dont forget that anakin killed his lover then slayed a ton of people to revive her through magic force powers. Probably in some sick fantasy to revive his mother. But fails at both.
>palpatine murdered his parents and siblings
Leia also was abandonned and put into the care of some narcissistic politician and his no doubt horrible wife.
Guess what Leia is now
>warmongering general LEIA
Not general or admiral of the resistance
General 'me me me' LEIA
Starwars a nightmare of poorly upbringed mentally damaged assholes playing space opera with thousands of lives
>Windu kills Sheev
What happens next? What proof other than Anakin's word do they have that Sheev was a Sith Lord?
What happens to the clones? Does the Republic declare war on the Jedi? Do the Clones follow the Jedi's lead?
Does Windu go to jail?
The separatist leaders were still alive at this point, and I'm sure there's plenty of evidence in Sheev's computers to incriminate him
Anakin was the chosen one, so if neither the Jedi or Sith found him there's still a chance he could play Luke's role in the original trilogy he would just be older and more powerful
Qui-gon was right about Anak in balancing the force.
He and Obi Wan were just wrong about how.
The force really was out of balance. The Jedi were overwhelmingly dominant, the Sith were but a handful.
Anakin brought this into balance by being manipulated by Palpatine into sacking the Jedi Temple while Order 66 was being executed.
This brought the force closer to balance with a handful of Sith being put against a handful of surviving Jedi.
The Force again was out of balance once Yoda passed away.. Anakin as Vader again brought it into balance by betraying Palpatine and throwing him into the Death Star's reactor.
This left one Sith and one Jedi. Balance.
The jedis were too dogmatic and they were losing their contact with the force. Anakin destroyed for allowing Luke to create a new jedi order that learned from the mistakes of the past. Lucas always envisioned Star Wars as a father-son tale
Too bad JJ ruined everything with TFA and Luke is a coward failure now, making all the struggle from ep I to VI meaningless