>>64632036 >dat killing the girl with zip guns >dat head shot after the throat shot
"I prefer Yoorop." "I was born in the United States, Jobert. I miss it when I'm away." "A pity. Can I drop you?" "In New York." "There is not much future for you there." "..." "It will happen this way. A car will pass you and a man you know, maybe even trust, will get out of the car. He will smile. A winning smile. And he will invite you to ride with him in the car."
I think about Ronin and Spy Game, and the other attempts to do US espionage, and other than >>64632649 and >>64632236 the US does it badly. Argo, I guess. Kinda. Tony has always been a self-aggrandizing attention whore though, so you never know about him.
The Bongs just have it wrapped up, though. LeCarre, Russia House, Most Wanted Man, they just kick the shit out of the US attempts. I mean, Salt. Come on. She's capeless capeshit. A cartoon. Mission Impossible, same thing. Bourne, again.
Bond has become a parody, but he started out, for example Russia With Love is a real espionage story. So is Casino Royale. Even Thunderball, at least the novel. The boat scenes were limited by technology, but still. Even Bong's worst espionage was better than the Americans. True Lies. Please.
No Way Out came close to great, but it's about the Navy. The CIA doesn't even make an appearance.
>>64633752 Yeah. that's what I mean. And it seems like it's always limo liberals who bankroll these CIA pictures. Redford is practically Norwegian. Baffleck. The thigh girl. No serious film makers.
They all want to do LeCarre scripts.
The Recruit had some moments that were from actual - the training exercise in Virginia, out in public, they really do that at the farm.
It's hard to believe no one has made a real American CIA picture, other than Good Shepherd. One about a regular spy - the joke official cover that's blown on day one, the grinding embassy cover job, the transparent networking at parties, getting handed off agents that drone on about mostly irrelevant personal beefs in a language you only learned for this job. The occasional actual Big Deal when some secret ideologue offers an actual valuable secret and you have one chance in ten years to become known among the Bush hq elite.
>>64634194 Or like Lost In Translation if Bill Murray were a retired senior diplomat from Canada on vacation in Japan who meets Charlotte who turns out to be a CIA case officer, and John the boyfriend who turns out to be her real boyfriend but also takes pictures of sensitive areas around Tokyo for his other obligation to her.
And it would almost be the exact same movie. Never a gun or a car chase in sight.
And the thing he whispers at the end is the Big Secret she needs to make her career, but we still never find out what it is, just that he made her career for her and she uses the information to save somebody from something bad.
>>64634414 Spy Game did an ok job - the Berlin section stuff happened pretty regularly, but look how the script makes Pitt into a self-loathing masochist. Every job he has to inflict harm upon himself to succeed. He has to literally kill himself at the prison. That's Redford's not at all subtle politics mucking up the story and turning it into a "message" picture.
>>64634562 well, seriously though, maybe that's his take on things. I mean, in that sense, fucking Good Shepherd was a statement as well, "look at how hard the life of a spy is, these are not everyday harships". I mean, I like the Sopranos, BUT there is a big consciousness laundering going on in hollywood: the mafia, the cia, past presidents. You gotta be aware.
>>64634461 >>64634511 Or like About Schmidt, but the thing he is grappling with during the raod trip to the daughter's wedding is the nagging sense that his whole life has been one big lie, that the wife is the only one who knows what he was really doing in Prague and Budapest and Minsk, that the daughter thinks he was a passport officer and in flashback after flashback we see him in these tense espionage scenes doing brush passes and evading surveillance and sitting in hotel rooms staring at a phone that won't ring and passing up reports on Russian tank columns and assassination attempts, but his ditzy kid thinks he's some distant jerk with a dead end job who never amounted to anything and the crisis comes when she shrieks her disappointment at him in her wedding dress before the ceremony and he has this like 96- second long crisis of internal conflict where he can spill it to her and forever change her whole view of him or just take her abuse and protect all the secrets and people he swore he would never reveal, and that's what he does, and he silently weeps through the wedding vows while clutching a tiny US flag in his fist and uses it to wipe his eyes before the closing credits roll.
>>64634982 Or like Big Fish, but the father's stories were high tension spy tales and the son's struggle to separate fact from fiction leads him to discover that the stories were true, that the father was trying to make his life into a long ironic joke about how espionage is so wrapped up in everything that happens in the world every day but not only does no one care, they actively disbelieve even when presented to them as it actually happened.
>>64636949 Bob is maybe the one realistic CIA spy on film.
The bit about being Canadian is actually a real agency in-joke. It's the only country most officers can credibly claim to be from other than the US because they are so bad at languages, mannerisms, and accents.
>>64637340 I hate to say it, but the analysis scenes from Sum of All Fears are what Clancy always meant Ryan to be like. When they sitting around trying to evaluate the health conditions of Russian pols from the changes in their appearance on tv. That shit really goes on.
>And find out who is shtupping Elena Kruzhkov.
Because then she can be blackmailed.
That character played by Liev Schreiber was one of the best howling out loud fun times I;v;e ever had watching a screen spy.
"I don't even have email."
"Shoot him before he figures out what I'm saying."
"I thought Ii wasn't doing this anymore." While standing in the rain. At night.
A gem performance buried in an otherwise ridiculous picture.
>>64639428 The BBC one with Alec Guiness is better. The director understood the material in its native Bong. It's not bad, but it's Hollywood trying to do MI6 during the Cold War. The BBC one is LeCarre doing MI6 during the Cold War as themselves.
It's talk-and-stalk espionage as it's done in the real world, not bikini girls and car chases.
>>64632196 all of le carre's characters are like that, in their world everyone is absolutely miserable all the time. watch a most wanted man, it's a le carre story and psh's last lead role. great adaptation too. also make sure you check out the bbc tinker tailor/smiley's people series with alec guiness
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