Did anyone notice the nigger...

Yeah, that was accurate.

yeah its called hollywood cant into history

>>64631834
>le everyone from the past is le racists xD

Yeah, you can kill yourself at any time.

Yeah, youre just retarded

Watch a fantastic oscar winning movie and this is your only thought? Your brain has been cucked or maybe you were born that way?

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>>64631809

>it's a /pol/yp gets triggered by the sight of a non-white person in a movie episode

>>64631809
they were hard laborers, you didn't exactly get to cherry pick who you wanted . If you were willing an able then you went

>>64631860
multiculturalism has never existed outside of the forced way it does today

It was accurate. SJWs think all blacks were slaves or treated as subhumans by white colonists but they routinely interacted with them and were parts of ship crews and exploration expeditions and shit. There were even black slave owners.

A black guy part of a 1823 fur expedition was historically accurate.

/pol/estinians need to get a fucking education.

>>64631869
>oscar winning movie

you from the future or something anon?

>>64631903
which triggers you

nice

>>64631912
>what is the Roman Republic and Empire

Again, kill yourself. You don't know jack shit about history.

>>64631916
>[citation needed]

>>64631916
why didnt it show the black guy hating indians then? because it doesnt fit with the narrative that only whites are racist?

>>64631981
He had no lines, he literally got shot to death by Indians after the camera swiped over him once so I'm pretty sure it's save to say he didn't like them a whole lot

>>64631953
They were not multicultural. They had different groups living in relative inequality and in submission to the Roman state. Also, mostly in conquered territories and not Rome proper.

Also this was what destroyed Rome btw :)

>>64631981
Leo was literally in love with his dead Indian wife and has a an Indian son. Did you ever pay attention to what was going on in front of you?

>>64631981
The black guy appears in the background and doesnt say anything period. I don't think there was agenda there.

Blacks and Indians didn't get along especially well, the first slave owners in the New World were indians who purchased black slaves from Spanish traders.

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>>64632014
>Rome was destroyed

There should be an IQ requirement for interaction on the internet.

>>64632050
You're right. The Roman Empire still exists today...

Give it up. You obviously are taking your talking points from muh liberal blog and don't actually know any history.

Also: underage ban pls.

>>64632014
>a territory literally spanning 4.4 million squared kilometers
>b-but they weren't multicultural!

It's time to stop posting.

>>64632014
This is BS. Non-purebred Romans couldn't hold political office until post-Third Century Crisis but they weren't treated as subhumans or slaves outside of Hollywood "muh racist Rome".

>>64631809
A group of white men bring along blacks to do the shit work they don't want to, What a ridiculous concept, preposterous really.

If that guy was just sitting around with a white woman on his lap and barking orders at some other whites or really seemed to be on equal standing with any other white guy then yea that's bullshit. But as far as historical accuracy Blacks were dragged all over the Americas to do work for whites or in some cases if they were freed took jobs at a quarter pay of anyone they were working with.

There were lots of black trappers and cowboys out west. In america anyway.

What, you think blacks just magically poofed into existence after the civil war?

>>64632154
And even then the mongrels could serve in the Legions as gain full-citizenship and property. The guy is an idiot.

>>64632127
>deliberately misunderstanding what i said
hilarious. this is your last response kid.

>>64632154
so, literally what i said.

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>>64631869
>oscar winning movie
>calling someone a cuck that is calling out forced diversity in a movie.

its time to go

>>64631809
Black people as a whole were a race of explorers and inventors who were admired and respected in the past.

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>>64631903
found the cuck

Is the movie really that brutal?

>>64632227
I don't understand how you believe a civilization spanning most of the known world at the time isn't multicultural by definition.

>take over the administration of all territory you conquer and assimilate the population as lower class Roman citizens
>somehow this isn't multicultural

The city of Rome had pockets of Jews, Nubians, Guals and Britons all over the goddamn place. How is that NOT multicultural?

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>>64632264
gotta make it a bit more subtle m8ee

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>>64632166

>>64632264
They were cings.

>>64632315
Yeah its non stop carnage. Awesome film over all.

>>64632333
Because those were conquered territories. The actual places where Romans lived was Roman. Those territories obviously had the people in them who lived there. The meme that empires are "lel multicultural just like us" is retarded. There is no equivalence between that and the Islamisation of Europe.

The fact that even a retard like you is qualifying all his points proves it.

>>64632415
>>64632415
>The city of Rome had pockets of Jews, Nubians, Guals and Britons all over the goddamn place
>The city of Rome had pockets of Jews, Nubians, Guals and Britons all over the goddamn place
>The city of Rome had pockets of Jews, Nubians, Guals and Britons all over the goddamn place

>>64632014
Incorrect. Rome had:

emperors like Septimius Severus (Punic), Elagabalus (Syrian), Maximinus Thrax (Thracian), Philip the Arab (Arab), Claudius Gothicus (Illyrian), Constantius Chlorus (Illyrian), Galerius (both Thracian and Dacian), Maximinus II (Dacian), Licinius (Dacian), Avitus (Gallo-Roman), Leo I the Thracian (Thracian), Zeno (Isaurian), Anastasius I Dicorus (Illyrian), Justin I (Thracian or Illyrian, perhaps both), Maurice (Cappadocian Greek or Hellenized Armenian), and Heraclius (Armenian).
usurpers like Avidius Cassius (mixed Roman, Greek, Hellenistic Syrian, and Jewish descent), Jotapianus (mixed Hellenistic ancestry from Commagene), Regalianus (Dacian), Postumus (Batavian), Tetricus I (Gallo-Roman), Bonosus (mixed Romano-Briton and Gallo-Roman ancestry), Julius Saturninus (Gallo-Roman or Moor), Carausius (Menapian), Claudius Silvanus (Frank), Firmus (Berber), Priscus Attalus (Greek), Jovinus (Gallo-Roman), Sebastianus (Gallo-Roman), Arvandus (Gallo-Roman), Leontius (Syrian), and Julianus ben Sabar (Samaritan).
empresses like Julia Domna (Syrian), Eutropia (Syrian), Eusebia (Greek), Albia Dominica (Greek), Maria (mixed Roman and Vandal descent), Thermantia (mixed Roman and Vandal descent), Marcia Euphemia (Thracian or Illyrian), Aelia Eudoxia (Frank), Aelia Eudocia (Greek), Ariadne (Thracian), Theodora (Greek), and Sophia (mixed Greek and Goth/Thracian ancestry).
magistri militum like Flavius Bauto (Frank), Arbogast (Frank), Flavius Aetius (mixed Roman and Scythian/Gothic ancestry), Flavius Gaudentius (Scythian or Goth), Onoulphus (Scirian), Ascum (Hun, Bulgar, or Germanic), Mundus (Gepid), Zeno (Isaurian), Aspar (mixed Alan and Gothic ancestry), Belisarius (Thracian, Illyrian, Gothic, or mixed ancestry), Narses (Armenian), Stilicho (mixed Roman and Vandal ancestry), Vitalian (Goth/Scythian or Thracian ancestry, possibly mixed), Chilbudius (Slav or Germanic), Artabanes (Armenian), Varanes (Persian), Gildo (Berber).

>>64631903
This. Literally no better than SJWs.

>>64631916
You got a source?

I didnt look very hard but im coming up with jack shit besides one guy who had a book written about him(because it was so rare).

>>64632523
http://www.blackpast.org/aaw/rose-edward-c-1780-c-1833

http://www.blackpast.org/aaw/beckwourth-james-pierson-c-1805-1866

There's two for you right there.

>>64632619
>blackpast.org
Seems legit af, senpai

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>>64632619
blackpast lmao gtfo of here you walking joke.

>>64632523
Here you go /pol/ :3

https://theredcedar.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/black-voyageurs-african-americans-in-the-fur-trade/

>>64632695
>>64632777
Seriously? Two entirely clear and impartial examples (one of whom even has his picture included) must be fake because it's on a site dedicated to black history? I know you're /pol/ as fuck, but this is silly.

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>>64632619
almost as shitty as jewpedia for a source

>>64632695
>>64632777
>>64632868
>this much denial

You're seriously too much.

>>64632990
these are two exceptions, fag

>>64632619

I skimmed through this ed rose characters article

>half white
>fired for leading his group into an ambush

muh black history

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>>64633061
And what did you want, 27 exceptions?

Admit it, you're retarded.

>A black guy part of a 1823 fur expedition was historically accurate.
>NO IT'S BULLSHIT SOURCE OR GTFO
>[source]
>SO WHAT IT'S ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS I'M STILL RIGHT

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>>64632780

>The role of African-Americans in the fur trade is further shrouded by two factors: slavery and the small number who are known to have worked in the business outside of slavery

>the small number who are known to have worked in the business

thanks for proving my point useful idiot.

>>64633146
Your point was it wasn't historically accurate, and when you were proven wrong you claim your point was proven correct because of the NUMBER of black fur traders?

Dude, are you seriously this fucking stupid?

Do you understand that since history proves that blacks did work as trappers by definition of it's historically accurate?

>>64631809
Brits were not so racist at that period than average USFat is today.
Brits & French cared only about money, be it with Indians, Black , Chinese,people from India, they had mindset on the right place,
whatever gonna get them profit and give them opportunity to get away from that horrible place.

They did called savages, savages tho..

>>64633245 Black fur traders were exceedingly rare and its obvious that hollywood wanted to add a black trapper to appease people like you.I stand by the op's point.

>>64632315
nah, its Tarkovsky McDonalds

>>64633412
>>64633112

>>64633310
everyone was "racist" back then. Hell even abraham lincoln thought negroes were subhuman. Just because they thought slavery was wrong didnt mean they thought savages were their equal....

This isn't /pol/ god damn it. How pathetic and retarded you have to be to be so triggered by the sight of one black person who doesn't even speak in a movie?

Normal minded people don't put this much mental energy into this ridiculous shit.

>>64633513
This is forced diversity and there are people here who won't admit it. It's not about /pol/ it's about the truth

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>>64633455
I wonder who's behind this post?

>>64633412
>it's the number of blacks that counts, not the fact they were fur trappers

You don't have to cling onto a retarded idea this much. You were already proven absolutely butt fuck wrong, so stop pretending to be a retard.

It's actually really embarrassing seeing someone react this way.

>>64633548
Still ignoring the truth that black people legitimately worked in the fur trade?

Hilarious.

>>64633603
There was only one guy working in the fur trade as far as i know. Omg, was it him?

>>64632014
What? Christmas Break is over kid, get to fucking school.

The Romans stole everything they could from other civilizations. The Etrustcans, the Greeks, even the Gauls and the Germans. The Gauls gave them pants and barrels.

Stupid punks think they know everything because they watch movies.

>>64633706
upvoted :)

>>64633562
So being generous there was maybe 1%, if that, of trappers who were black and they put them in the movie.

>>64633743
nice comeback

>>64633759
You didn't provide an argument that required a "comeback." You're just totally ignoring history while at the same time complaining about one black guy in a movie.

>HIDDEN JEW AGENDA TO TRICK US INTO BELIEVING THERE WERE BLACKS IN THE FUR TRADE
>Here's some sources explaining to you how it's historically accurate
>UH, UH UH THE JEWS ARE USING REAL HISTORY TO TRICK US

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>>64633759
get fucked m8. You shifted those goalposts a couple miles by now

>>64631809
It's a fucking movie you autist.

>>64633706
>There was only one guy working in the fur trade as far as i know. Omg, was it him?

I forgot every human being that has ever existed has his or her own special internet page dedicated to their exciting lives.

>>64633828
It's obvious they put the nigger here to be a token just like every movie that came out recently, but you keep denying it and you use a single nigger that worked in fur trade as an argument, who is also half white

>>64633744
sorry that was too generous, i see maybe 3 "black" fur trappers out of how many total trappers you think? thousands? So probably closer to .01% of trappers were black but we happen to see one in this film.

Was it good guys? The trailer really peaked my interest.

>>64633897
He just proved that there was one semi-nigger working in the fur thread, he didn't prove that it was common.

>>64633910
>ignored the complete other source I gave him
>literally believes every human being has their life recorded and posted on the internet
>literally believes it's a Jewish conspiracy to push race mixing
>literally doesn't believe history happened

>>64633945
>"There were blacks in the fur trade, but I find it very suspicious they show a black person in the fur trade."

You brain seems to be malfunctioning or dead.

>>64633958
yeah its a great movie check it out. Very action packed but still has a lot of substance and a good message to it.

>>64633977
You've moved the goalposts so far it's not even worth it anymore.

>>64633998
.01%

>>64633998
>literally believes every human being has their life recorded and posted on the internet
Nice escape, the thing is niggers in the fur thread were extremely rare to inexistant, and until now you only proved the existence of one, and a half, it's not a sufficient argument to cover the obvious jew subtly put nigger in that film

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>Fucking Jews

>>64634091
>>64634150
>doesn't understand what historical accuracy is

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>>64634091
>So being generous there was maybe 1%, if that, of trappers who were black
>Realizes 1 percent of anything is still a number
>it's now .01%
>still doesn't realize a percentage of a number is still a number

>>64634204
Alright. You look like you've done enough shilling to earn your shekels. Why don't you look for another thread where you can pretend that jews aren't running hollywood now?

>>64634295
It's not my fault you think one black guy with no lines whatsoever has some sort of agenda behind it. I didn't even notice him, that's how much of a "Jew Tactic" it was.

Was there also an agenda because it features Native Americans? Why did you ignore half of my posts and continue to post the same paranoid schizophrenic bull shit?

>>64634271
Yes im showing that in 99.99% of situations including fur trappers back then there wasnt blacks milling about in the backround. This implies that historical accuracy was not on the mind of whoever was casting.

You are actually black arent you?

>>64634486
Again, your arbitrarily made up percentage is still equal to a number of people out of the thousands of fur traders throughout the 1800's.

They showed ONE black person with NO lines.

>>64634458
>Native Americans
Those were very common tho.

Since you look retarded i'm going to explain it to you one last time:
Niggers in the fur coat were extremely rare (until now we only know 2) and if you really think they put that nigger here just to be extremely pointy on historical accuracy you're a naive cunt or a shill and i'll vote for the latest.

>>64634597
yeah yeah, and the next movie will show ONE black person with NO lines in scandinavian countries in 1200 and you'll still be here to complain when we'll point it out

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>>64634597
I rest my case your honor

>>64634597
>arbitrarily made up percentage
Until now we only know the existence of two, so his percentage is not so arbitrarily made up

>>64634748
And the entire argument was that it was historically inaccurate.

The fact there are two well-known (as opposed to the potential thousands of unknown) black fur traders absolutely demolishes your argument, yet you still revert to the idea that there were the two and only blacks during the fur trade.

If you're admitting the percentage was indeed made up how can you argue the number of potential black trappers? You're fucked.

> is this accurate
> omg you must be racist /pol/ that way
It's a fair question, most people anymore think blacks being slaves was an absolute. History of slavery and race relations is dumbed down and simplified.

>>64634921
>is this accurate
>yes here's proof
>uh, no it's obviously the jews controlling hollywood lol

>>64633716
> every civilization* stole everything they could from other civilizations

>>64634458
>I didn't even notice him
>camp full if whites surrounded by Indians and doesn't notice Donnie the Darko
>I am le colorblind meme
You're "that guy" aren't you?

>>64634874
>(potential thousands of unknown)
what? Are you implying there was thousands of unknown black fur trappers now?

We are arguing History(what was recorded), i can see maybe 2 fur trappers who were black(one of which is half white).

Our argument is that although a black fur trapper existed, it is strange that hollywood threw him in the backround of a movie that is supposed to be historically accurate. With the trend of casting black actors just for the sake of diversity (lancelot, star wars(jj admitted it dont argue), new black Hermione, etc).

>>64631809
Well he died so nobody cares

>>64635182
I didn't notice one black guy who didn't talk at all like I didn't notice the other guys who didn't talk either.

I didn't spot him because he was in the background doing nothing to advance the story. Probably got killed in the first 20 minutes I bet. If it was Hollywood truly tricking you, they would have made him a side-character with you know, actual lines and shit to do?

>>64635010
> is this accurate
> provide no proof, just conjecture
> imply antisemitism

>>64635213
>Our argument is that although a black fur trapper existed, it is strange that hollywood threw him in the backround
>threw him
>him
>IT HAD TO BE HIM, 1 = 1

>>64633488
Yes, but they didn't care about the color of the skin if it will means to an end, while southern redneck wouldn't even go to the mission if it had a black guy on some key position.

>>64632014

there have been 3 north African popes.

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>>64631912
>>64631916
>>64632014
>>64633548

when did niggers become the new sonic hedgehog for the autists here?

>>64631809
>or was it Hollywood PC shit to have le token black guy?


What do you think?

While there were indeed blacks that escaped west, they were damn few and far between.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what era any given period piece will be in, Nu-Hollywood will ALWAYS make sure there's a token nigger, a stronk womyn.....and probably at least one faggot involved.

>>64635285
>conjecture
>implying

I'm also not saying the Jews don't have control of Hollywood, you fucking idiots are just looking at the wrong movie. Again:

>If it was Hollywood truly tricking you, they would have made him a side-character with you know, actual lines and shit to do?

But no. Of course if they show one black guy in a country that imported hundreds of thousands of blacks (which birthed even more blacks) it's secret Jew mind games to make you want to cuck yourself.

>>64635264
The Revenant/Casting director

Francine Maisler

They would have done that if the director was jewish but only the casting director was this time.

>>64634874
>>64634874
>>64634874
The entire argument isn't that it is historically innacurate, it's that the jewo directors put him there for forced diversity purposes. What further historical accuracy would add the nigger in the movie? What's his purpose there? Or maybe they put him there because they like to put niggers everywhere these days, and not because they wanted to make a movie that is absolutely historically correct to the point where you show people who barely existed. But of course i can't go further since you need to accept the concept of jews pushing forced diversity in their movies, and you will keep denying it cuz you're a paid shill.

>>64635367
>While there were indeed blacks that escaped west, they were damn few and far between.

That's why there's one black in a party made up entirely of whites. You guys would seriously have a point if there were like 20 blacks in that party, but there weren't.

>>64631916
>/pol/ needs an education
except that's exactly what /pol/ maintains you stupid cunt, that blacks weren't treated as shit as nu history says they were

>>64635403
>The entire argument isn't that it is historically innacurate, it's that the jewo directors put him there for forced diversity purposes

The original question was "Is this historically accurate?" to which was proven, yes. There were a few blacks in the fur trade which is why there are few blacks in the movie (literally one.)

>>64635264
>who didn't talk either
>I didn't notice one black guy that didn't talk at all
You didn't notice a black guy and yet you just said you noticed that the black guy (who you never noticed) was talking? Hol up hol up. So you sayin you noticed a guy who you didn't notice?

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Is this some good actin' for ya, Maste'? I swears I won't never try to run away again, Maste'. I'm so sorry. Can I have my Oscar now, Maste'? Please, Maste'.

>>64635461
Now come on, you can warp history any way you want it, but do you seriously believe being sold into slavery isn't "being treated as shit."

If you're not a free man you're literally shit and are treated as such. As an obvious American, don't you value your FREEDOMS?

>>64635378
> still implying im antisemitic and racist

>>64635468
no that wasn't the original question. Anything else to say?

>>64635426
>That's why there's one black in a party made up entirely of whites.

That's one too many, and the only reason it was included was for "muh diversituh!".

>>64635508
What the fug did I just read

>>64635508
except it isn't white who reduced nigs into slavery but nigs themselves

>>64635478
I'm saying he didn't talk because I was told he didn't talk. I'm not even sure there was a black guy there at all, I'll have to go back and watch it.

>>64635513
Not implying any of those things. I'm actually agreeing with you that those filthy kikes DO have their grubby little Jew grabbers in the bowl, except not this particular bowl.

>>64635524
Go ahead and read the ORIGINAL POST of the ORIGINAL POSTER.

nah, don't bother I'll do it for you

>Was this historically accurate or was it Hollywood PC shit to have le token black guy?
>Was this historically accurate or was it Hollywood PC shit to have le token black guy?
>Was this historically accurate or was it Hollywood PC shit to have le token black guy?

>>64635468
thats still over representing them. He was only there because the casting director is a jewess.

>>64635586
>Hollywood PC shit to have le token black guy?

>>64635586
Yes, and regarding to the data, the answer is both.

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>>64631809
ITT: Autists who can't into history so they don't know that there was a fair amount of free/escaped blacks (and just blacks in general post-slavery) who turned to the frontier because they faced less prejudice and could make a more honest living than in the more established parts of the country.

>>64635595
>gets told why blacks were represented
>well they're still overrepresented!!!
>literally one guy
You're absolutely retarded.

>>64635569
>>64635564
>"nothing wrong with buying slaves, but it's wrong to sell them.

>>64635595
Over representation would be to have 15 blacks in the party with at least one of them being a leading role. We have one black guy in the background who again, is probably killed during the opening scene.

>>64635708
>le pretending there weren't any blacks in the fur trade still

>>64635508
>literally treated like shit
slavery is bad as a status, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're treated like shit. Do you treat your dog or property like shit?
>being sold into slavery
many were born into it, and that's besides the point, we're talking about how they are treated after the fact. Of course someone resisting confinement will be treated poorly

>don't you value freedoms
yes, and I find slavery abhorrent. That has nothing to do with treatment and conditions though

>>64635773
>having the freedom of your own life taken away
>not treated like shit

This is some straight up mental retardation. How can someone be this retarded?

>>64635768
>nothing wrong with buying slaves, but it's wrong to sell them.
Why aren't blacks equally prejudiced then? Why are whites considered like absolute evil?

>>le pretending there weren't any blacks in the fur trade still
It's more complicated than that. My previous point is that there's not enough niggers in the fur trade for directors to put them there for historical accuracy purpose. And denying that makes you a shill

>>64635761
Keep making excuses it doesnt matter, you see all the people waking up to these things just in this thread alone. Blacks(jew driven) affirmative action in hollywood is finally being threatened.

Its ok Mr. Colorblind we all recieved your virtue signalling loud and clear, you're done here.

>>64635773
So what I own this man? I give him food, water and shelter because I'm a caring slave owner who wants to keep this individual alive because I like his company.

>>64635715
>post-slavery
>story set around 1820
Check your chromosomes

>>64635853
>i cannot into comprehension
"many were born into it, and that's beside the point, we're talking about how they are treated after the fact. Of course someone resisting confinement will be treated poorly"

you're also acting like treatment is an absolute, which is pretty fucking stupid

as if it's impossible for one slaveowner to treat his slaves better than another. You're so consumed by the ideal of slavery fed to you that you can't even debate the nuances.

pro-tip: distinctions are a thing

>>64635853
Most slaves were confused when they were freed and many preferred to stay with their masters.

In the liberal mind all slave owners whipped hobbled and beat their slaves but economically that doesnt make any sense. They were expensive property that was taken care of.

>>64635773
So if I just straight up kidnapped you but also treated you nicely, you're telling me the anger with being confined against you will is unfounded?

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>>64635949
>only read a few words of the post
>in charge of reading comprehension
And what did I type immediately before that you flaming autist?

>>64635902
>So what I own this horse? I give it food, water and shelter because I'm a caring horse owner who wants to keep this individual alive because I like his company.
no you fucking faggot, stop arguing in hysterics like a fucking bitch

>>64635968
I don't know why or how you believe having your life taken away isn't in and of itself being treated like shit.

>>64636033
>comparing human beings to horses

This goalpost is out of this fucking field, my God.

>>64635715
>post slavery
yeah we could learn alot from you....

>>64631809
How do you know he wasn't as slave?

>>64635991
>anger is unfounded
where in that post did you get that impression?

I actually went out of my way to say I found slavery abhorrent, and your little cuck mind just filled in blanks that weren't there
>>64636070
>comparing horses to humans
you are so ridiculously retarded. I'm not comparing horses to humans personally. The point is that slave owners treated their slaves like property, like a horse.

discuss things like an adult you stupid fuck

>>64631809

typical hollywood bullshit. black people were invented in the golden age of cinema because it was cheaper to film negro actors for black and white productions, as it saved on lighting and film development. source: film historian, d.w. griffith society

>>64635715
t. Professor Dickhat

>>64636129
>>slavery is bad as a status, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're treated like shit.
>The point is that slave owners treated their slaves like property

You don't fucking say? You're acting like there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

>>64636070
you realize that the blacks sold into slavery were the dumbest of the blacks and were sold by the smarter Africans right? If their IQ is anything close to present day tribes in africa they are legally retarded. They are given a job, shelter, food, and security. That doesnt sound like shit to me really.

That being said i think slavery is wrong but lets not get self righteous and self hating about it.

>>64636094
This is one of the best responses yet. Makes perfect sense.

>>64636082
What is that even supposed to mean?
>>64636213
t. Redditor who learned everything he knows from television and movies posting in a thread about historical accuracy

yes it was accurate

http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/15/v15i04p421-433.pdf

Some of the racial aspects of the fur trade have been indicated—
entrepreneurs and clerks: Highland Scots, French,
and British Americans; voyageurs: French-Canadians; hunters:
Kentucky backwoodsmen and French-Indian halfbreeds.
Yet this analysis is inadequate, for it neglects to
mention one of the largest racial elements in the United
States of the early nineteenth century. Any picture of the
racial aspects of the fur trade of that period which omits the
Negro is so incomplete as to give a false impression, for
representatives of that race were to be found In all three
groups connected with the trade.^ Among the overland
Astorians, at least two, a voyageur and a hunter, were of
Negro origin.

>>64631809
Nigger got killed

>>64631916

/POL

>education

haha, good one

>>64636327
>you'd have to be below IQ to be physically captured by people
>being the property of somebody isn't so bad if you get things in return, what's the big deal?

You're a sad, pathetic human being. You'd be the perfect little lap nigger for his master.

>>64636290
>you're acting like there's absolutely nothing wrong with that
no, I'm not, and if you made an effort you wouldn't be under that impression.

The entirety of the argument is that there are different levels of treament. Slavery is bad. Treating people like property is bad.

Given the above, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, some slaves were treated better than others. Some slaves were treated way better than anybody wants to admit. Like horses and other forms of living property, slaves in general were treated well enough to keep them useful, and not like pieces of shit. There would be no economic reason to do so, and the ones that did treat slaves like shit were sadistic (moreso than owning slaves to begin with)

And if you still need clarification, again, slavery is bad and treating people like property is wrong. You and the rest of society need to learn how to discuss something without getting hysterical about it.

>>64636396
it takes place in 1820 and you said post slavery you mongoloid. Do you need me to tell you when slavery ended too?

>>64632050

>dago thinks he descended from true Romans of the Empire and not some street trash that filled in the gaps during the dark ages

There were a lot of black people in the West.

The idea of it being lily white was an invention of Hollywood. The west was for poor, impoverished desperate people, so there were plenty of minorities.

Is this really what white people do all day?

>>64636403
>Facts in a /pol/ thread
Good luck

>>64636454
Good one yourself

this movie deserves recognition if not simply for presenting a different perspective of the times than the bullshit from Hollywood from the 1920s to 1990s

>>64636515
You realize the Civil War happened after 1820, right? You realize after slavery was abolished there were still fucking slaves?

Kinda of like how recreational drugs are illegal but still flourish. Laws don't change reality, people change reality.

>>64636474
Get butthurt somewhere else

>>64636515
I was giving general historical context to blacks being in the fur trade the entire time you retard, did you miss the part where I also said free and escaped blacks? Can you read?

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>>64636535

the Fredos on /pol/ they do
because they're smart

>>64636595
You're the one who said you'd have no problem being a slave.

>>64636539
> mad at reality
stop trying to derail the thread jidf

>>64636403
>Among the overland
Astorians, at least two, a voyageur and a hunter, were of
Negro origin.

Wow, this proves so much

>>64636648

what reality?

>>64636641
> not the same guy
> his/her post literally said slavery is wrong

>171 replies
Well played, OP

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>>64636474
I think im supposed to be offended but i just feel sickened by your reading comprehension skills.

Here's a picture even you can understand.

I am making the point that retarded people need to be given simple jobs and taken care of and slavery did that for them. I mean the Africans that sold them probably were also retarded but they still outsmarted them didnt they?

>>64636689
>So what there were a few recorded blacks There might as well have been zero.

>>64636736
>They are given a job, shelter, food, and security. That doesnt sound like shit to me really.

Here then, I have a job, shelter, food and security for you. According to you this sounds like a great deal, and giving up your natural freedom of a human being isn't so bad since there are so many benefits.

>>64636689

It proves that a black would not be historically out of place in a trapping party. In fact it proves that an actual historical trapping party had 2x negros.

This film's trapping party 1x negro, therefore the film actually under represents blacks.

The article, and your reply, also proves that you are a fucking moron. So thanks for that.

>>64636789
>there were a few recorded blacks
>one of those few recorded blacks happen to be in the movie
Hey guise, let's put some blacks in the movie! This will add so much to the story! This is totally not forced diversity!

>>64631809
more or less accurate as I understand it.

Source: http://www.lwfaam.net/wf/front_pio/furtrade.htm

>>64636858
Upvoted ;)

>>64636774
>Here's a picture even you can understand.
>No sources to be found anywhere

Gee, I'll take this as fact you bet!

>I am making the point that retarded people need to be given simple jobs and taken care of and slavery did that for them

Again, that's fucked thinking.

>>64636858
>one of those few recorded blacks happen to be in the movie

You're an idiot.

>>64631916
Fuck the replies to this post proves that this board is 99% undiluted 14 y/o American fucktardery. Seriously you morons should know this shit it is your own countries history like ffs, I find your ignorance insulting.

>>64636889
>>64636897
>ignores the point of my post
ok

>being racist
stop /tv/

>>64636789
>shit is on/off, not a scale
Is a job, food and security not better than the absence of those things? You're presenting a false dichotomy. We are merely saying that within the bounds of slavery, there are levels of treatment

>according to you this sounds like a great deal
something nobody has said
>Willfully ignoring distinctions to be an obtuse cunt

And i feel that I need to say again that slavery and treating people like property is bad since that seems to keep getting ignored.

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>>64636594
I am blown away by how dumb you are. I just made fun of you for saying 1820 was post slavery you moron. I hope this is a shitty trolling attempt.

>>64636963
>something nobody has said

>They are given a job, shelter, food, and security. That doesnt sound like shit to me really.

If you legitimately believe there's nothing wrong with being owned by someone and you should be thankful for being owned as property, you're the biggest fucking cuck whose has walked the face of this planet. You literally believe if someone is more wealthy and better off than you, you'd have absolutely no problem being under their control.

>>64636858
>>64636944

which was?

>>64637051
>If you legitimately believe there's nothing wrong with being owned by someone and you should be thankful for being owned as property
that isn't what that post said you monstrous retard. Jesus fucking christ you didn't even read that post or mine. You just assume meaning and gloss over it

fucking kill yourself, you're poison to legitimate discourse

>>64636789
>Here then, I have a job, shelter, food and security for you. According to you this sounds like a great deal, and giving up your natural freedom of a human being isn't so bad since there are so many benefits.

> implying life isn't any different than that

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>>64636993
That wasn't the guy you were replying to, and nowhere in my initial post did I say 1820 was post slavery. I was referencing the fact that black people had been a part of the fur trade all through its history. You're the one being retarded tbqh familia.

>>64637051
>>64637135

>>64637076
there aren't enough blacks in the fur thread for them to be thoughtfully represented in movies except of course if they want him to be a token.
Why weren't there french and highland scots in the movie? I thought the movie wanted to be historically accurate?

>>64637131
>it's okay to own a human being if they're treated "nice"

The fact they're considered property means they're fucking treated like shit, how can you be so unbelievably retarded?

Who fucking cares how they were treated? They were still fucking property you goddamn idiot.

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>>64636897
So you are uneducated in the differences of IQ in different parts of the world? I am not surprised,here i'll do your research for ya little guy.

https://iq-research.org/en/page/average-iq-by-country

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>>64637177
It's easier and cheaper to find a black actor in America than it is a highland Scotsman or French person you obtuse autist

>>64637306
gee i wonder why

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>>64637148
u right u right, I was replying to the wrong guy initially. My apologies.

>>64637236
You posted an info graphic with absolutely no sources.

By your own logic you'd think if we were enslaved by the slants we'd be totally thankful and totally not upset.

>>64637177

I'm sorry, I still don't get your point.

>there aren't enough blacks in the fur thread for them to be thoughtfully represented in movies except of course if they want him to be a token.

?

>Why weren't there french and highland scots in the movie?

There was. There was an entire french trapping party. Any of the white trappers could have been scots.

Was OP's question ever answered? Was this legit or was it Boyega?

>>64637177
>Why weren't there french and highland scots in the movie?

Confirmed for having his eyes shut the entire movie.

>>64637408

yes it is historically accurate.

http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/15/v15i04p421-433.pdf

>>64637201
>it's okay
never said that, in fact I've stipulated very clearly and thoroughly that that is not what I've said

>The fact they're considered property means they're fucking treated like shit
Still ignoring relativity, as if "being treated like shit" is an absolute. As if a slave who is owned, and has no physical harm done to them, is as bad as a slave who is whipped daily.

>who fucking cares how they were treated
Generally people want to be treated better than not, just because you don't care about distinctions doesn't mean nobody does, especially not the slaves at the time.
>they were still property
as if owning a dog, and beating the dog that you own every day is the same thing

and you still argue like a hysterical little child

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>>64631809
It was not common, but it was not impossible or unheard of either

>>64636520
Lmao there were hardly any minorities in the west in the 90s let alone hundreds of years ago

>>64637377
I'm sure they were upset about it, especially the awful slave ship rides. I was arguing with the statement "treated like shit" in reference to slave masters.

>>64637201
>>64637447
to add
>who fucking cares how they're treated
given that depictions of slavery are grossly exaggerated and widespread to show the utmost of brutality, I'd say some people do care

I'm pretty sure most blacks care too

>LE I DO NOT SUPPORT SLAVERY AND TREATING PEOPLE LIKE PROPERTY DISCLAIMER

>>64635294
Protip: the North Africans of that time where more Greek/Italian in race than Arab like today.

>>64637447
>They are given a job, shelter, food, and security. That doesnt sound like shit to me really.

Again, by your own pathetic and backwards logic we would have to be grateful and happy to be owned by our slant IQ overlords.

>>64637494
I don't understand how you think being owned as slave isn't already being treated like shit.

>>64637530
>LE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE A SLAVE TO A SMARTER PEOPLE MAN

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>>64637559
>Again, by your own pathetic and backwards logic we would have to be grateful and happy to be owned by our slant IQ overlords.
no, you can't understand how to discuss a distinction because you're a fucking retard. I actually didn't write that post because I'm aware of dumb shits like you, so I write more carefully

>I would be happy to be a slave
>I lost the argument but I'll just keep shitposting

>>64637648
Why bring up the IQ level of blacks when IQ has nothing to do with slavery?

>>64637408
Its just highly unlikely you'd see a black fur trapper back then but a few of them did exist.

Also kikette casting director.

>>64637784
>why bring up IQ
I'm sorry, are you under the impression that I did?

>>64637849
When you jump into other peoples debates on an anonymous Pakistani weavemaking board expect confusion.

>>64637894
It would be stupid to bring up IQ if only because then it turns into an IQ debate, even if it were relevant

Just left the theater and it was fucking packed I mean TFA packed stupid tree niggers!

>>64637928
>even if it were relevant

At least we can agree on something.

>>64631809
I, for one, felt particularly enriched during that scene. Although, the film could've used a morally upstanding supporting gay character, tbqh.

>>64637559
treated like shit implies they were treating them badly as in beating ,starving ,and the like ...jesus i cant dumb this down anymore.

>>64637957
didn't say it wasn't family
:^)

>>64637784
i brought it up to show that these slaves were very simple minded and would have lived in their own shit back home. I was comparing them to a retarded person that needs to be taken care of.

>>64637998
>treated like shit implies they were treating them badly

So being taken away from your land isn't already being treated badly? This is where you and I disagree. You seem to believe people have no natural rights as human beings, which is possibly one of the most backwards retarded ways of thinking I've ever encountered.

Truly Sheepist of the Sheeple tier beliefs.

>>64638006
simplying epic brother

>>64631834
That's not entirely true. Watermelon trappers were a big deal in the early to mid 1800s.

>>64638120
>implying people don't have the right to "live in their own shit" if they wanted to.

Do you understand the concept of freedom and why it's the most valuable aspect of being a human being?

Why is this thread still up?

I haven't seen this film but pretty much anytime in history blacks were present in the US. They were cowboys, they were settlers, they were miners, whatever.

>>64638120
Do you support the 2nd amendment? Just curious.

>>64631903
C U C K
U
C
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>>64631809
>calls it a western
>is set in the north

>>64638338

Are you taking this time to try and say gun owners are racist?

>>64638264
Yeah i cant believe it

>>64638416
No, I'm curious about your position on this particular right. I fully support the 2nd amendment myself.

Why do people judge others based on skin but not their character

>>64638338
Do you know what the 2nd amendment is or are you just a libfaggot that thinks all gun owners are racist?

>>64638459
I'm not the guy you originally asked, but for the record I do.

>>64638488
Because whether you like it or not, race can be a judge of character.

>>64638507
Did you not read the post above?

>>64638545
why else would you bring up the 2nd amendment you lying prick lmao.

>>64638537
And if the government came a long and said "Look, you guys are too low-IQ to possess these weapons. As your government I need to take care of you for your own safety."

Would you chalk it up to, oh well rules is rules?

>>64638596
Because if you support the right to own a gun and don't support the right of human beings to live in their own homes you're a fucking hypocrite.

>>64638488
Because a sand nigger is more likely to blow himself up.
It's statistically true

>>64638545
>Because whether you like it or not, race can be a judge of character
Race doesn't correlate to a person being a good person or a bad person , bad black people exist and bad white people exist.

>>64638726
and a white person is more likely to shoot up a school , it's statistically true doesn't mean all white people are bad.

>>64638759
But the point is its statically more likely that a Black man will stab you.

>>64638759
It doesn't, but when you have legitimate stats telling you that a certain group of people are more likely to commit certain acts it really makes you question a certain person's character before getting to know them.

/got/ general can't start up fast enough. Vanilla /tv/ is turrible.

>>64638537
>>64638596
Please guys, I can't handle all of your answers to my question.

>>64638809

I really don't want to get into another race debate, but race is very real and not everyone is equal. Blacks have a very low IQ for instance, and science is telling us IQ is genetic, not circumstantial. Blacks also have smaller brains. Our metabolic systems are different, we cannot take each other bone marrow, hormonal levels are different. Fact is, there is such a thing as superior and inferior races. SOme are going to be more prone to violence and different types of behavior. What you say is true, it doesn't mean everyone from a certain race is bad because of the actions of some, but race is indicative of behavior and intelligence.

>>64639013
GTFO you fucking tourist

>>64639160
He's from Reddit, just ignore him.

>>64639031
They don't want to back themselves into a corner m8

why even bother to argue the historical accuracy

noone likes niggers period even in films today

why pretend you're mad because its historically inaccurate or "forced"

you just dont like niggers period and wanted any excuse to make a thread racebaiting

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>it's a /pol/ can't into rules thread

>>64639500

4chan is /pol/. /pol/ is life.

>>64639500
>muh rules!
>this is a safe space for safe discussions!
B-but none of those were broken, you cucK. Did the word "nigger" trigger you, senpai? You should probably avoid H8teful Eight then.

>>64633146
I have access to copies of my great great something or another granddad and his trading adeventures in the west. Great stuff.

There were blacks with him, and the only comment he had was that you could smell "Negro john" if you ever were turned around were the camp was and that he was a good cook.

>>64632254
>Implying there weren't black fur trappers and frontiersmen. Which there totally were.

>>64639500
>MUH CHINESE MESSAGE BOARD RULES

>>64632519
Literally considerably worse. At least "SJWs" are well-intentioned.

>>64639500
Sup Reddit!

>>64640002
Or that blacks have not been part of the western movies for decades.Woody Strode being the most famous example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx15s_HAkgU

>>64631809
Did anyone notice the Bruce-Lee-tier dubbing of the native americans?

>>64640561
Yes. At first I thought the audio was out of sink.