Just watched this, and something I don't get: why didn't he get the death penalty?
What is he looking at /tv/?
My guess is
It doesn't make sense.
Avery is talented enough to wipe all traces of the victim's DNA from his properties, despite allegedly shooting her in the head...
.. Yet I'm supposed to believe he is stupid enough to leave her remains by his bedroom window, leave her vehicle on his property (after having put her dead body in there to leave some convenient blood stains for the cops to find), and to COMMIT SUCH A SERIOUS CRIME AFTER HAVING EXPERIENCED HOW SHIT BEING LOCKED UP FOR 18 YRS CAN BE DESPITE FINDING A NEW WAIFU AND SOUNDING HAPPY IN HIS NEW LIFE.. ALSO WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF 400K - 36 MILLION DOLLARS IN COMPENSATION.
You gotta be some kinda brainwashed police fanboy retard to support the state in this case.
Or... they didn't find the crime scene and it didn't happen as Brendan said. The prosecution took the wrong route trying to match the evidence to the confession, but I don't believe any of the conspiracy non-sense. There's too much evidence against Critter.
>documentary made by two redditors totally biased "lol fucc da police"
>Avery served 18 years (10 years being for stolen firearm.) The guy wrote letters to his wife and children about how he was going to murder their mother, clearly showing his brain is not all there after being locked up that long.
>He gets out of prison and freaks out at all the new stuff in his life, lives in an ice shack for weeks.
>The documentary conveniently leaves out that he called the picture place 3 times, every time requesting for Teresa. Her boss and co-workers all say he called the office and her with multiple *67 calls.
>TL:DR Avery is guilty, documentary is reddit bias
Nah, this documentary pandered to liberals who think the world has stacked the deck against the poor. The redpill is that law enforcement tends to be biased against repeated offenders. Oh fucking well.
Nah, you just gotta be the average everyday God-fearing Republican who loves the whole Constitution except from the preamble, amendments 1, 3 and up and the whole part about how verdicts are not supposed to be based on emotion.
Not /pol/ at all, i don't favor the police, in fact i make a point to stay away from them as much as i can. I'm just telling you stuff this documentary leaves out to paint a "gentle giant" "big brother" picture of Steven.
I think people are hung up on whether Avery or Dassey did it and the truth is none of that matters. The show isn't really about whodunit it's more of a slow motion nightmare about being railroaded. I can't imagine how anyone thinks they got a fair trial.
Shitty cops, shitty lawyers, shitty judges, shitty jurors. I will ever enter the state of Wisconsin.
>le i am going to look like a total retard because it spites reddit somehow
I'm tired of this meme.
...and I think everyone interested in the case is well aware of what got left out of the documentary (his animal cruelty, his history with women) but non of that is really relevant when talking about the actual case.
But the whole defense was based on theories and appeals to emotion. "Poor people boo hoo." The prosecution did a sloppy job but the evidence was on their side.
I have problems with the police but they're not the cardboard villains liberals treat them as.
I don't think he was railroaded. And if people knew that he was guilty, this documentary would never have kicked up so much dirt. So I think it's worthy of discussion.
Don't forget shitty convict who murdered a woman. It's all shitty here, but I'll side with the state here.
I see what you are saying anon, but im just informing people that the dude did 10 years for a gun charge. More than half his 18 years for a crime he actually did. He's not completely innocent here. The document makes him look like a small little boy who the big bad police are bullying. The dude is for sure guilty
Not really. They made it sound like SA had unintentionally torched a cat when he actually poured gasoline over it. And they left out shit like letters sent from prison to his children saying he'll kill mom. But like I said, none of that really matters when talking about the actual case.
Not in a sufficient way. It's glossed over. Most people who have seen the documentary don't even know that six of the eighteen years he served in prison was for a crime he did commit. The alleged rape affidavits weren't in the documentary as far as I can remember.
>keep posting kratz copypasta about how doc was one sided
>don't bother hearing the other side to kratz's claims
Strang addresses the phone calls at 8:39. Two witnesses from Auto Trader put Kratz's phone call theories to rest.
>they left out shit like letters sent from prison to his children saying he'll kill mom
That was in the documentary. The documentary did state that he trew a cat over a fire not that he poured gas on it.
I think the problem is that the documentary downplays these incidents while omitting others. Doctor Love did acknowledge that the cat burning was touched on in the show, but said that they didn't give the full story.
nah. dudes probably guilty. the point is that theres no/not enough valid evidence to put him into jail. you cant just put someone into jail because you assume that he might be guilty
So many people are claiming that shit that was in the series wasn't in the series that I'm convinced most of the bootlickers in these threads haven't even seen it. I don't even bother replying.
Likewise you can't say certain evidence isn't valid based on a conspiracy theory. Avery is definitely guilty as I see it. The case has its problems, so I'm not opposed to a retrial. But that is based on technicality, not reasonable doubt.
Again, even the guilty deserve a fair trial. It's the cornerstone of our entire justice system. I think the cops honestly believed Avery did it, and they would do whatever it took - including planting Teresa's keys in his home and moving her car into his salvage yard, moving her ashes from one location to another - to prove it. More than that, I think Dassey was the one actually innocent. They coerced a confession out of him to get to Avery. He was a dumb as hell means to an end with the shittiest lawyer imaginable. The burden of proof is high, and the state clearly overreached, which is just as wrong and evil when done to a guilty man as when it’s done to an innocent one.
If the cops didn't plant the evidence, how come his blood was tampered with?
i live in wisconsin. its not so bad. the internet sucks, the women are plump, the hicks and hmong are all over the place. but at least we dont have niggers. Also milwaukee isn't apart of wisconsin. its basically shitcago. also go pack go.
CUZ EVEN THOUGH HE'S GUILTY THE POLICE DECIDED TO PLANT EVIDENCE FOR SOME REASON. I MEAN, THEY KNEW HE DID IT RIGHT, BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THEY KNEW IT WITHOUT SEEING ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE, SO THEY HAD TO PLANT IT.
GO BACK TO REDDIT KEK
>A lying, psychopathic paedophile who torched an animal alive; sexually molested his nephew; kidnapped, raped, tortured, stabbed and shot a woman is sent to jail for life
>"b.. b.. but the police CHEATED!"
I'm glad that sickos going to rot.
But she obviously didn't have any issue with going to the property despite apparently being "harassed" by Steven Avery.
Also, she wasn't being hired to take photographs by any other member of the Avery family so it's fair to say she was going to meet Steven
>Again, even the guilty deserve a fair trial.
Sure, and I'm not opposed to a retrial. But it wasn't as unfair as you people make out. It was just sloppy.
> I think the cops honestly believed Avery did it,
I think anyone would think that. He is the obvious suspect and has a history of violence.
>and they would do whatever it took - including planting Teresa's keys in his home and moving her car into his salvage yard,
Conspiracy theory. It's cute but doesn't carry weight in a courtroom.
>moving her ashes from one location to another - to prove it.
Think about what you're suggesting for a moment. A conspiracy spanning two police districts.
>More than that, I think Dassey was the one actually innocent.
I can see how you might think that from seeing the doc, but having reviewed stuff on my own, I would say he is guilty. His trial was bullshit, but confessions are hard to shake.
>They coerced a confession out of him to get to Avery.
No they didn't.
>redditors are unironically jumping to Avery's defence from behind their computers, to 'combat' injustice after watching a one-sided documentary.
American white people are so fucking ugly
>Looking at it now do you think you got lucky?
>Yeah... Well not lucky, God showed us the way I do believe that.
Haha oh wow.
>Cops risk their careers to put an escalating scumbag behind bars to protect the people from him
>The people hate them for it
Where were you when you realized Lenk and Colborn were Batman and Robin?
From the transcript of Dassey's phone call with his mother:
M. Did he make you do this?
M. Then why didn't you tell him that.
B. Tell him what
M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
M. Brendan I am your mother.
M. Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
B. What do you mean?
M. All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
B. Ya ..
M. Yes, and you would still be here with me.
B. Yes, Well you know I did it.
B. You know he always touched us and that.
M. I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
B. Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
M. What do you mean.
B. Well he would like fake pumping him
M. Goofing around
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name... Jessicas sister.
B. Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
You're defending a paedophile rapist murderer and IM the edgy edgy one?!
Back to Reddit champ.
Phone call between Brendan and his mother that he didn't know was being recorded. Steven molested all those kids. These faggots don't want to mention that though.
Real nice guy, lets release him today amirite? Fucking cuck scumbags, if he does get released I hope he rapes and murders every single one of you faggots that made excuses for him.
>somehow transported her body to a separate location with no one noticing
>collected the remains, drove back to his trailer and dumped them in his own fire pit
So the brother did it right? I legit thought that was the way the documentary was headed but I guess that would be kind of defamatory. They also implied her ex-boyfriend was a bit sketchy - isn't it a serial killer trait to take an interest in the investigation/case even though you should have no logical reason to be involved in it?
What were their motives though?
People keep saying whether Avery is innocent or guilty doesn't matter, but if the documentary mentioned the molestation bit and the two alleged rape affidavits, no one would be signing petitions for a pardon.
Why would anyone trust Avery? Are you an actual fucking retarded person?
Holy shit, I just figured it out. The people defending Avery are actually dumber than Dassey. That's what's happening.
>That is correct
>That is correct
>That is correct
>That is correct
ffs why can't they just fucking say 'yes'?
Why wouldn't I trust Avery? He pleaded guilty to all his previous crimes until the rape charge, in which he pleaded Not Guilty and turned out to be innocent. He has no history of lying... unlike your boy Dassey who is.. inconsistent.
>Is this guy, Steven Avery, innocent or not?
Guilty as fuck.
>Is the documentary biased?
Biased as fuck.
>Is it only extreme edge lords
Nah, a lot of people who like the documentary think he's probably guilty too.
There are too many important facts missing for conviction like where she was murdered
It feels biased by not including all the facts
People who can't argue their point worth shit are the edge lords
Does it leave out a lot of evidence? I've heard some people saying that.
Is it still worth watching, I heard it does a pretty good job of exploiting the criminal justice system.
>Is this guy, Steven Avery, innocent or not?
Who knows? He didn't get a fair trial.
>Is the documentary biased?
Not really. But it does leave out some minor details.
>Is it only extreme edge lords that think he is guilty?
Edge lords and cop lovers.
It leaves out tons of evidence and pushes it's own slanted agenda, which is the agenda of two tumblr lesbians. That being said it's a fun watch, especially if you know anything about the criminal justice system.
Similar to Serial, whether he's guilty or not doesn't matter. It's whether or not it was proven beyond reasonable doubt. The multiple burn sites and the fact that they never found the murder site are enough to convince me there's quite a bit of reasonable doubt.
>Not really. But it does leave out some minor details.
lel you fucking lying cuck
>Calls other people edgy while being all "FUK DA POLEEC!"
Why don't you leave and come back when you grow some pubic hair.
>There are too many important facts missing for conviction like where she was murdered
That's the main thing missing from the case, but people have been convicted for much less. The problem here isn't a lack of evidence but the sloppy work done by the state.
>It feels biased by not including all the facts
So we can't convict someone unless we have perfect knowledge? Great idea.
>People who can't argue their point worth shit are the edge lords
I can run you true crime beginners into the ground.
Spurned lover? Pathological narcissist? He said they were together for 5 years, some people just can't let that go. From the first moment you saw him on screen during the search he just immediately stuck out like a sore thumb. He was cold, confident and placed himself immediately at the centre of attention. He was the guy organising the search parties. He was the guy telling people where to look. He was the one coordinating everything. Why? Why would an ex-boyfriend be the natural person to assume this role? Wouldn't the brother or a family member or even a close friend much more sense? Why was he even there? He has the perfect window of opportunity and a good cover for doing stuff like moving and mutilating the body, moving the car, hiding the car and then ultimately directing two women straight to it in 5 minutes in a junkyard with like 10,000 vehicles.
I wish that the omitted evidence had been included in the show. I don’t find most of it that decisive - some of it is hearsay, some of it is circumstantial, some of it could have been planted - but I think that by being more skeptical of Avery’s innocence the show could have actually made its point about even the guilty deserving a fair trial harder.
Not many people here (if any) think he should be exonerated. Don't see how "tens of thousands of innocents in the prison system" have to do with a discussion about a documentary on a board about movies, TV shows and documentaries.
>the police are good guys, they dindu nuffin
He's right though, you're either an edgy kid, a pot smoking suburban white OWS fag that probably has dreadlocks or an ironic mustache, or some shitskin who got beat up by the cops. Your opinion doesn't matter and you're human garbage.
>or we're going to start spamming them
Are you threatening me? I'll have you speak to my lawyer
Will Brendan ever get to watch Wrestlemania 2005?
>Will Brendan ever get to watch Wrestlemania 2005?
Feels bad man
Handsome newsmen general? Handsome newsmen general.
At least maybe he got his dick wet in that tight Halbach pussy.
That's not my point. I'm saying there's actually a lot of evidence in this case, and while they're missing the crime scene, the rest of the evidence is strong enough to convict. A lot of people have just gotten a bit carried away with conspiracy theories and don't accept the evidence.
>it's usually reserved for cases which are undisputed.
>tfw you come into these threads and argue on both sides just to piss people off
And you'll never know if it's me you're replying to or not.
he was questioned in early 2006 so it was wrestlemania 2006 and it had a shit card
I was thinking the brother or ex did it for sure or someone else close to her. I could just feel it. Anyone look more into that? They really should.
>tfw you posted this yesterday
>tfw I'm always here
The police should have looked more into that but they didn't because lolwhocares when they already "had" their guy from the beginning.
Agreed. Now obviously the documentary doesn't show all of the evidence presented by the prosecution but there are too many gaps to ignore. The "finding" of the key, multiple burn sites, lack of murder site, the bullet fragment, etc.
It's crazy because in most cases of such a brutal murder the killer is usually someone the victim knows.
Also wtf at Autotrader sending a lone woman out to an ex-cons trailer in a remote salvage yard?
are those the guys who are like:
>did you go onto the Avery property?
>uhh no umm
>so you didnt go in with cops or search party?
>umm no we arent allowed so...
so shady. They did it I fucking know it
Anyone else see the guy in the newsroom that looked like Rust in Episode 8? Nearly pissed myself laughing when I saw it.
>You know somebody once told me that the Avery family tree, it's like a flat circle.
So you accuse people of being from a place that you have never been to, and your idiocy shows because those people from that place actually do the exact opposite of what you said they do, and then you admit it proudly?
Both sides were full of shit. The entire Avery family needs to be gassed. Every single cop and lawyer needs to be fired and sent to work in coal mines. Everyone who argues hard for either side will be allowed to choose which of the former two options they get.
The whole series is basically a conspiracy theory. If you don't like conspiracies then you might be in the wrong place. From my point of view, although while the cops were crooked in 85, they were probably too smart to pull that shit twice, especially since they knew the spotlight would be on them. Personally I think it was either a serial killer or one of the Halbach family (brother or ex-boyfriend) who did it and either accidentally or deliberately tried to create links with Steven knowing that the cops would go there first and not bother to investigate anything else.
Feel kind of bad for the parents. They seemed nice, even if the rest of their family was pretty worthless. Fucking hard life they had.
Why would you feel bad for them? They raised the scum. Or didn't raise them is probably more correct. They created these monsters. Do you think everyone in town disliked the Avery family because they were misunderstood really good citizens?
Steve tortured a cat and that usually means someone comes from an abusive home. I know they're sad, frumpy and poor looking and that tugs at your heartstrings, but they could easily be manipulative piles of shit who abuse children. Like Steven Avery.
I don't care what happens to him as far as his feelings and rights. I do care that the decent people no longer have to worry about being burglarized or raped or murdered by him.
Again, proud to be an edgelord if that makes me one.
Was Steven Avery innocent ? Maybe not.
Were they enough solid proofs to leave no room for reasonable doubt ? I think not.
Was the investigation and prosecution led in a professional way, that allowed a fair trial. Absolutely fucking not.
>muh reasonable doubt
The trial was a shitshow, but Avery was without a doubt guilty based on the evidence.
Give him a retrial. Or don't. Guy is a piece of shit rapist murdering child molester.
>What part of the fact you are
Jesus Christ you love hearing yourself talk.
And if you're using the name Anonymous, and someone else uses the same fucking name, I'm going to treat you *GASP* as one in the same you stupid fucking idiot.
Also wtf at Autotrader sending a lone woman out to an ex-con's trailer in a remote salvage yard?
Seriously, that kept bugging me too. Oh hey Teresa, I know you keep getting those weird phone calls but when you get a sec I need you to be a sweetie and head out to the boonies and see that guy that got out of prison for brutally beating and raping a woman. It's okay, he was acquitted. DNA and whatnot. Yeah I know everybody thinks him and his family are pure evil, but no biggie. Now run along, we got deadlines to meet.
>Hey Theresa you ever see the movie Deliverance? No? Good then I got a job for you
Who the fuck said anything about looks?
kek projecting homo go blow some guy already you fag it's current year no one cares that all you can think about is how men look ya queer.
All of them a person convicted or charged with assaulting women apparently lived in too. This has come to light since Steven filed the paperwork saying he thinks his brothers killed Teresa.
The Avery family, I mean these guys are real jerks.
Did he ever explain this? When did the department know the license plate of the car Teresa was driving?
I figure either they knew the license plate number in which case - why "call it in" unless you're staring at it?
Her ex-bf, family, insurance company, etc told Colbern "this is the license plate you should be looking for" in which case he was calling it in to verify with whatever resources dispatch had at their disposal.
Regardless of where you stand on the question of guilty or innocent, you have to see that Steven's trial was fundamentally flawed and should have returned at best a not-guilty, or at worst a mistrial. Obviously the documentary has a point of view, nobody would watch 10 hours following a documentary that sat on the fence about someone's innocence or guilt - they'd just read the verdict on Wikipedia. It's only compelling because it tells a story and has characters and drama, and its gets us to care about that. You're not being manipulated just because someone is telling you a story, that's the essence of story-telling, and all media does it, even documentaries. The idea that there is some sort of infallible 'unbiased' neutral point of view is just ludicrous.
I turned it off at 1:03 because Kratz again makes the false claim that Dassey volunteered the information about the hood latch. He did not. Fassbender first disclosed that information, then he and Wiegert manipulated Dassey into confirming it:
>Fassbender (F): OK, what else did he do? He did somethin' else; you need to tell us what he did, after that car is parked there. It's extremely important. (Pause.) Before you guys leave that car.
>Brendan (B): Then he left the gun in the car.
>F: That's not what I'm thinkin' about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he; I believe he did something else in that car.
>B: I don't know.
>F: OK. Did he... did he... did he go and look at the engine; did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to the car?
>F: What was that?
>Wiegert: What did he do, Brendan? (Pause.) It's OK, what did he do?
>F: What did he do under the hood, if that's what he did?
>B: I don't know what he did, but I know he went under.
>F: He did raise the hood? [Brendan nods "yes".] You remember that?
>That fucking retard got a high school diploma
Although I believe in the innocence of Avery and Dassey, the puncture in that Vacutainer likely came from the initital blood draw from Steven. Moreover, the cut evidence tape might've simply come from the lab that analyzed the sample after it was drawn.
But both the lab and the police should've kept detailed custody logs. They didn't. So now the defense implication that the blood on the RAV4 came from that tube carries a bit more weight.
Are all Wisconsin people stupid?
>Sheriffs department wrongly convict Avery
>Avery about to get $$$$ settlement
>Avery is arrested for it
>The same officers, Colbern & Lenk find all evidence
It's not hard to believe that the police stitched him for because they were going to loose millions in the settlement.
I never said there's no objective truth, only that there's no such thing as unbiased story-telling. Pretensions of non-bias, just like the BBC purport to has, are in themselves a form of bias and can be very damaging because we invest these institutions with a lot of power and influence because they are supposedly 'impartial' when in fact they aren't because such a thing is impossible.
>I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
Oh, so another coached statement from Fassbender and Wiegert.
>Brendan Dassey's project was handed in eight years late but they still passed him
>Duquan Williams handed his in a day late and they failed him
This is the racist system we have to deal with people.
>I do not recall saying that
>Is then shown a video of him saying exactly that
EPIC. OH MY GOD SO REKT. FUCKIN EPIC.
How upset are you right now brah?
You mean a family of outdoorsmen.
>It's a law enforcement official or lawyer says 'That is correct' episode