>Admit to a murder to you didn't commit >Can I go watch Wrestlemania now >No you're under arrest >Brendan why did you tell them you did it? >I dunno >Did you do it? >Yes >Did you do it? >No >Will you draw us a picture of you doing it? >Yes >16 months on trial to think about it >On stand giving testimony >Brendan why did you tell them you did it? >I made it up >Why? >"I dunno" >Sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of Wrestlemania
>>64618161 Why would they? Polygraphs haven't been admissible in court in a coon's age, if they ever were. Polygraphs are basically just a tactic used to make you confess because you think you won't beat the polygraph. The machine itself is completely unreliable.
>>64617577 I'm glad in Australia we have the Me real Health Court to bring expert psychologists and psychiatrists in to determine whether someone has the mental capacity to understand their charge and the trial process
Maybe Dassey would be able to watch Wrestlemania if he lived in Aus :~(
>>64618295 We have a similar process in US, it's just you have to have a decent attorney with connections to good mental health experts to be able to prove you're unfit to stand trial. Dude just had shit attorneys.
>>64618334 when he looked at the camera and yelled "I LOVE THE COPS!" it just gave me the heebie jeebies. Dude has problems. I think either him or the ex-boyfriend had something to do with it. Also what the FUCK was up with that video of her they kept showing where she's talking about loving things and what she;d do if she died? Was she practicing an act or what? Seems so off.
>>64618394 I've killed animals like birds and squirrels when I was a teenager, but I would never hurt a person. I actually feel like shit for doing all of that when I was younger. I would shoot them out of trees and cut their heads off with a hatchet. Now I try to have as many animals as I can. I don't even kill spiders. I catch them put them outside. What I'm saying is just because he did something stupid that he admitted to in the past doesn't mean he could do something 1000x more heinous later in life. I am not 100% sure. He could have done it. That's what the problem is. There was nowhere near enough evidence to convict this dude and the evidence they did get was fishy as fuck in the way it was obtained.
>>64618626 Whoa I never said all that. I never said I thought he was innocent. Just saying the evidence was not substantial enough to send him and Brendan away for life. Especially Brendan. Steven Avery may have done it, but the whole case was a huge fucking mess. And like I said I am trying to repent for what I did as a stupid teenager. I try and save animals I see on the sides of the road, I don't kill spiders in my house, I donate to help animals every time I get cat food. I just feel really sorry for Brendan he got taken advantage of. I have no idea how the court and jury thought his "confession" was legit.
>>64618648 they went to his school and interviewed him for hours without his parents. He didn't understand what was going on and was basically coerced into giving the cops an answer (he just wanted to go back to class)
Also guys, when you look at the evidence for why Bobby Dassey, Scott T., Charles and Earl Avery might be potential suspects, you see why it's much more likely that they're involved with the murder.
This is a must-read https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1452/7216/9/ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery%20document%20page%2023%20+.pdf
They were all near Halbach when she was last seen. Some of these guys have been arrested for abuse toward women, including sexual abuse of women (Charles Avery sexually abused his two daughters). They had access to the car lot, therefore had all the space and time to burn TH's body and evidence. And they could've easily planted her bone remnants at Steven Avery's place. They also had incentive to do so, for financial reasons and just because they did not like Steven (or he just happened to be an easy frame). Remember, everyone in this gene pool is fucking retarded with the capacity to do harm, if not already having pretty substantial criminal records.
I think Bobby and Scott are the most suspect. I'm honestly banking on them having done it. I think Charles and Earl could have been involved and or aware, but I'm not sure. That seems to be pushing it, that's a lot of people. But it's possible. Seriously read the link, TOO much relevant shit. Like it'll blow your mind.
Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach’s cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense’s contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.
>>64618754 I thought the ex boyfriend was fishy as fuck. Who takes a week to report a missing person? and how did he just GUESS her phone's password. voicemails were deleted off her phone as well. fishy as fuck.
Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach’s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery’s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know, but it was never brought up in the Netflix program. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.
Not only was Avery’s blood — which we’re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room — found in six places on Halbach’s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?
>>64618626 He called her three times prior to an appointment.
That's not outlandish. It's not like he called he was harassing her for weeks (which we can assume because Kratz would've definitely thrown that out there to save any face he possibly could at this point).
>>64618799 I agree he's fishy as fuck, but trust me read that link. He's not nearly as fishy as those guys. Not close.
Also my explanation for ex-boyfriend and TH's brother acting fishy. I do think ex-boyfriend may have deleted voicemails he left her. Maybe they were angry voicemails and he thought they may implicate him, so deleted them.
I think him and her brother were hiding something, but not that they murdered her. Rather, this - that one deputy Corbach or whatever his name was - what IF he illegally searched the Avery lot and found Teresa's car before anyone else? He'd be in a lot of trouble, that's very illegal without a warrant.
So what does he do? Takes the key out of her car so nobody can move the car, and alerts Lenk/his superiors. My guess is they alerted the brother and ex-bf of this, or something close to that. Or at the very least, they got Pam (who is actually an ex-private investigator, not just a jesus cuck) to search the Avery lot in the search party. It was all set up so that when she find the car, which they knew where it was, then it'd be admissable and protected under the 4th amendment
Also maybe Corbach moved the car there. I don't think he killed Teresa, but I definitely think he got the car key before it was officially found, and that's why they were just waiting to plant the key this whole time
>>64618953 this is what i was thinking when I saw the episode where she found the car in 15 minutes. Also that fishy shit when he was reading the license plate back to the woman on the phone. It really did sound like he was there reading it off or something.
>>64619000 yeah bro, that bitch is an ex-private investigator. hmmm. Also like two jurors were relatives of people who worked for the county's law enforcement or related agencies. Tbh I don't know how that is even fair at all. Maybe I'm just a moron, but I don't feel like average citizens should be chosen as jurors. Rural idiots should not be in charge of anything this important.
No matter what, the police did some fucked up shit. I hope at this very moment they're contemplating suicide.
>>64618754 >Earl hid from the police when they came to take a DNA sample on November 9, 2005. When the investigators went to his home, he hid in an upstairs bedroom under some clothes. (Calumet Country Sheriff's Deparment report at 194.) what the fug :^ ^ ^ D
The docuseries is biased as fuck. Steven certainly did it, although he was framed. Don't know if Brendan was involved or not though.
>Steven was obsessed with Teresa >He creeped her out and made he feel uncomfortable (he was possibly the guy Teresa told her coworker about, the deleted voicemails were possibly from Steven and he made Teresa delete them or give him the password) >Teresa was so uncomfortable around and creeper out by Steven that she refused to meet with him again and only did so after multiple *67 calls from Steven using a fake name >Steven told a prisoner while he was in prison that he fantasized of killing a female(s) and he even drew up plans for a rape/sex dungeon >Steven was accused of rape by 2 other women (not including the girl from 1985) as well as being accused of sexual assault by Brendan (Brendan's mom wasn't shocked to hear the accusation from her son, she merely thought Brendan was only goofing around in the past) >Steven is typical white trailer trash shit >Teresa's bones had steel intertwined with them probably because Steven burned her bones with tires or pieces of cars >Teresa's teeth, rivets from her jeans, and personal belongings (Palm pilot, purse, etc) were also found in burn piles >The bones may have been moved but Teresa was certainly burned on Avery's property >Steven's DNA (not blood but sweat) was found underneath the hood of the Rav4, the police definitely did not have a vial of Stevens blood >The bullet with Teresas DNA was proven to have been shot from Stevens gun he kept above his bed
As for the "if Steven did kill her why did he do x instead of y" questions, it's because he's a borderline retarded piece or trailer trash. Teresa was most likely not killed in the house or garage, if she was ever in there.
>>64618792 >Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? He gave the name and number of his sister...to be printed in the magazine...because...here's the shocker...that was the name on the title of the car he was selling!! Wow, what a breakthrough! Solid case!
>>64619075 >Also like two jurors were relatives of people who worked for the county's law enforcement or related agencies
This is what really pisses me off.
The original vote was 7-3-2 not guilty. Then they three holdouts basically held the jury hostage until they caved. If two of those jurors had personal interests then I entirely blame the defense attorneys for allowing the trial to be held in that shit county in the first place.
Part of dasseys confession to police he talked about helping avery move the rav 4 and that avery had opened the hood latch and unhooked the battery cable. They found non blood dna evidence on the hood latch that matched up to averys.
The bullet with halbechs dna on it came from averys gun
They found halbechs palm pilot and camera in the janda burn barrel.
I believe avery probably did it. But the criminal justice system failed him and dassey because there was plenty of reasonable doubt, and the media firestorm and police destroyed any presumption of innocence before the case even got to trial.
Dassey definitely deserves a retrial, I don't see him as a threat to society and it makes sense to me that he was coerced by steven.
The averys probably don't care anymore they're getting that netflix money now and probably plenty of sympathy from normies that can't be fucked to do a tiny bit of research.
>>64619567 >Then they three holdouts basically held the jury hostage until they caved. Not necessarily. The pro-guilt jurors bargained with the others. That's why the mutilation charge was came back not guilty. It was a compromise.
>>64619693 >DNA from Avery’s sweat was found on the hood latch of the vehicle and on the car keys, according to testimony from the trial. How does that imply it couldn't come from a sock? Or armpit stain?
You argument is that they couldn't have a vial of sweat. But traces of DNA, presumably from sweat, could have come from any article of clothing on his residence.
>>64619781 This. So many people have debunked the sweat thing, it's bullshit. Pretty sure we heard that evidence from the prosecutor who takes advantage of young battered retarded women.
It's possible Steven Avery did it. But all the evidence you guys are giving, you know, just the shit you're reposting from what you saw online? Trust me, it's all bullshit. I wasted my entire day looking into all of this. Everything can be debunked. Look into it yourself. Evidence like the bullet having to have come from Avery's gun...I mean, quite a few people close to and within his family should've been suspects. Once again, this is a must-read:
When fucking Dean Strang is very obviously thinking someone else did it (tho he of course can't say that yet), well, I believe him. He's definitely smarter than anyone on this board or in that town combined.
I'm really not trying to defend Steven Avery. None of this makes sense. It's possible he was involved. But damn, it's so obvious that Bobby and Scott coordinated this shit. Read the link above.
This, ladies and gentleman, is a good Christian boy, with good Christian values. A working class, god fearing boy. He believes in the system, he trusts the Officers of the law, they are their to protect his rights.
Don't you want to be a good Christian boy too? Don't be swayed by the Police hating, Godless heathens. Brendon is still out there. This dangerous man is still destroying lives from within his cells. Join us and call for the Death Penalty, it is what God would want.
>>64619935 >also when you get selected for jury duty don't they always ask if you are related to anyone in law enforcement? if they say no, won't they get in trouble? They want to know if you're connected to the legal system or know anybody who might appear in the courtroom (you're given a list of witnesses). In either case, they'll want to know whether that fact would interfere with your ability to be impartial. Doesn't automatically exclude you from serving, though most likely they'll probably want to dismiss you.
>Help convict innocent man of rape >Screw up my job by not doing basic police paper work >See no moral issue with following my boss when he tells me to fudge some paper work, plant evidence >Get called to the stand >Told I have to tell the truth or God will get me >Lie through my teeth >Go home a hero
>>64620207 For Brendan, maybe, but Steve clearly doesn't deserve any of this shit. He did some retarded shit as a kid but he had the mind to learn from it, but Brendan would probably end up bleeding to death from getting his hand cut off in a snowblower without calling an ambulance because Wrestlemania was on or summat.
i really don't know but i want to know. i feel like if doritos are available everywhere, it wouldn't just be an american phenomenon. but i guess it's cultural. i think food is never something that can be had in excess. it's like currency. a sign of wealth. most of these fatasses, are poor (granted obesity is in every class). as soon as they have enough money for food, they don't have to starve. so finally, they have something that can make them feel wealthy. food. so it is only a good thing then, not just fuel. something to always be enjoyed. and this passes on down to their kids and forever and ever until our government steps in and bans fast-food. i can't wait
>>64620504 so if you were on the jury you would have been one of the ones to say he was guilty just because you didn't like the guy? this is why our justice system is fucked. The juror that had to leave even said it seemed like a few of the people there already had their minds made up without even caring about the evidence. It's a fucked up world we live in.
>>64620604 Thankfully we aren't white trash murderers with subhuman IQs.
You really have no idea how these people think. You project a level of innocence onto them because of their idiot intellectual level, but in reality, their minds are completely impenetrable to, statistically, everyone.
>>64620620 fuck this cunt. oh apparently there is going to be a special with more info: http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/100781/investigation-discovery-steven-avery-news-special?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&unique_id=entry_100781
Guys. Bobby Dassey. Come on. So much conflicting info he gave.
Remember how he supposedly went to Steven's with a friend and said Steven joked about "helping him hide the body"? Dassey said this was November 10, but originally gave this statement and said this happened November 3rd. Before Teresa was even reported missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it was, in actuality, Bobby's friend who made the joke first. His friend asked Steven if he had her body, and then Steven jokingly said "yeah, wanna help me hide it?".
So if we can believe the defense's argument to be true....look, it's quite clear to me Bobby is lying about quite a lot. He's changed his statement regarding the time he went hunting too, crucial evidence.
>>64620327 >Watching this little shit reacting after ever trial >Welp Police are good cus they Police they would never do nothin bad >Why that Brendon boy with his sub 70 IQ sure did master lie his way out that one huh? What a cunning murderer.
>>64620773 So you're worried about a society with dangerous stupid people, but you're not worried about a society where the dangerous stupid people patrol your streets with badges and guns and legally immunity to do whatever the fuck they want to anybody for any reason.
Sounds you're below the "deserves to be in prison" threshold. You may think you're smart compared to tards like Dasselmania, but you sure aren't to people like me.
>Being jealous of someone getting called up for Jury Duty
I'm sorry you are held in such low regard that the state can't even be bothered asking to you take out the trash. You should maybe post angry messages on the internet directed at strangers to make you feel like a Big Man.
>>64620148 Kek I hope his kids are bullied at school now because of their good-for-nothing asshole of a father.
When Kratz and that one reporter made the argument about their reputations and family life being damaged... like what? They literally brought it on themselves, not to mention what the Avery's are going through is ten times worse.
I'd honestly find you guilt of whatever the prosecutor was throwing at you simply for using "yrself" and "u".
This isn't narcissism. I just don't like you, so given the choice between doing something good for you or something bad for you, where either outcome holds no value or loss to me, of course I'm going to choose the bad thing. Unless, as I said, my negative feelings for the prosecutor or victim outweighed my feelings about you.
For instance, if you raped and murdered this persons child >>64620879 I would let you walk, regardless of how blatantly guilty you are.
I remember there being two of them, the goatee guy was one. I don't know if you can have two public defenders though, either way, I'm not sure what he/they were thinking sending up there unless they were trying to prove how retarded he was.
Always remain vague and as uncommunicative as possible. Never commit to a solid "fact". Give long winded, inconsistent, digressive answers unrelated to questions, with a high level of inconsequential detail, if you are more adept.
>>64621113 ... apparently there is no way to explain this to you either.
If you're asked "why did you lie?" then saying >I'm not sure >I don't know >I don't remember is admitting you did lie. With "I don't think so" opening you to further questioning along that line, which will result in you being trapped in a lie or an admission of lying.
This trial was a complete antithesis of the justice system. A county government looking at a thirty-five million dollar bill has plenty of motive to fuck that shit right up.
Which is exactly what happened.
Among so many other things the fact that the fucking key to Halbach's car was found so late in the search by people from Manitowic. Who were not even supposed to be there but also were the ones set to lose their livelihood because they were central to Avery's wrongfully accused case.
If he had killed Halbach in front of twenty highly respected neutral parties and the case proceeded as it did, he should still be acquitted.
>>64620874 >Happens all the time and goes unreported >Its suddenly reported >Now people are taking issue Wow, I mean it must be because they are white. Can't be that this is a highly popular netflix documentary and that is why its getting so much attention.
The lengths that people have to go to, to justify to themselves that Avery is innocent are staggering.
>it's totally normal to answer the door in your towel previously and attempt to contact someone who thinks you're creepy several times in the day she was murdered.
>it's no big deal that he burned a cat to death for fun
>just because there is literally no evidence of any of Avery's DNA being planted, doesn't mean it wasn't planted
>there's no evidence that Avery killed her... I don't have any proof but the cops did it.
>Avery had such good lawyers (get btfo by Kratz in every single important motion)
>bullet was fired from a gun known to be in Avery's possession. He definitely didn't fire it, I know for sure.
>just because there's no EDTA in those tests doesn't mean that there isn't EDTA
>the only explanation is that the cups killed her, planted the key, planted the DNA in halbachs car, coerced Dassey, planted the bullet, burned teresa, planted her remains. Got the cooperation of the FBI in framing him, paid the judge to throw out anything that would help the defense and intimidated the jury into a guilty verdict. Then paid appellate judges to throw the case out as well.
Avery fags are fucking stupid. Dassey should be able to watch wrestlemania, though. Feel bad for him
>>64618334 This motherfucker keeps smiling to the camera the entire time. Everything he fucking says is with a fucking smile. You can't tell me that you're smiling after just hearing for hours and hours about how your sister got killed, raped, mutilated and whatever if you're not thinking: 'haha im getting away with it'.
>>64621600 >Steves blood was taken out of a testtube via a needle >Zero physical evidence of her being inside his bedroom >Keys were not spotted for days, despite being out in the open. >Only evidence of her dna was on a single bullet that was only 'found' weeks after they searched the area >'found' by the same officer who 'found' the key. Boy he is real good at finding things! >No blood splatter anywhere, not a single drop found >No reason she'd be put in the car >Her Vehicle was placed nicely at the entrance to the lot in near enough plain view, good thing it wasn't crushed with that big crusher they have! Fuck off retard.
>>64618626 He called her a couple of times because they had an appointment. The police didn't have to brainwash him for shit. Lenk and maybe Colbourn clearly devised this plan AFTER they knew she was on the Avery property. It wasnt masterminded from the start, they just acted with the circumstances they were handed with.
Which is why it took them four fucking days of searching to find a bloody key of her car in his trailer on the floor without any fingerprints from either Steven or Theresa on it.
>>64621834 >Prove that the DNA was planted from the test tube and I'll believe you. No conjecture, just proof. >Sealed container was broken into, someone draws blood out with a needle. >Literally the ONLY physical evidence of Steve was the small bits of blood found in the car But no you're right, couldn't at all be a connection there. The mystery person who Agent 47'd some of his blood out of the tube just did it for shits and giggles, didn't do anything with the blood at all. HURRDURR
>>64621854 Yeah, professional team searched head to toe and found nothing, it was only the skillful searching of Mr Ace Detective that they 'found' this evidence after he decided to go back 4 months later completely at random. Seems legit, bro.
>>64621870 >Bleach would clean all traces of blood splatter off the rife, their clothes, the floor, and the 100s of bits of misc junk that was in the garage. Wow for a pair of sub 70 IQ Steve and Brendon sure do clean up like a professional grade clean up crew.
>>64621870 That isn't even a good piece of evidence. All that proves is that he used bleach. Which could very well be explained by the deer blood found in the garage and the fact that they went hunting all the time. And of course only the human blood got bleached and only the deer blood was left.
>>64621987 >Prosecution >Wow so they totally raped her in the bedroom. I don't care there is no physical evidence, anyway so then they shot her a bunch in the garage, again who cares about a lack of blood, being shot doesn't make blood splatter come on >Defense >So Steve's blood was stolen from evidence, and those keys don't have any fingerprints on them, and were somehow missed despite being in the open by a ton of officers Yeah totally the same shit.
>>64622026 Who cares about Avery getting off. There was more than enough evidence to put him at least at the scene / last person to see him alive. He should have certainly got time. Issue is police corruption, clear evidence tampering. That shit should have been looked into and been taken to court, but no it was just forgotten about, sweeped aside.
>>64621987 The circumstances in which the evidence has been found in combination with the personal relationship, media circus and lies the police department have spread about the county sheriff's department involvement in the case is shady enough to let Steven walk. Nothing here can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which is why he should walk. Even if he did do it, the police have fucked up so hard that it's more detrimental to society to let this happen than to let one stone cold killer loose.
>>64622026 Okay, retard, the key doesnt have any fingerprints on them from either Theresa or Steven, the only piece of DNA it had on it was Steven's blood. How does this happen unless it was thoroughly cleaned by someone before Steven's blood appeared on it?
the avery's are redneck trash the cops are redneck trash the victim and her boyfriend are redneck trash the jury is redneck trash
if being redneck trash is a crime lock them all up, and is it just me or did the boyfriend look completely strung out whenever we saw him? - which would tally with him having no clue what time of day it was when he last saw her
>>64622100 So you choose to believe the FBI's test instead? Even though the FBI agent even concluded that the swabs of blood they didnt even test must be devoid of EDTA as well? Even though they hadn't done this test before Steven's trial for 10 fucking years?
What in the flying fuck needs to happen to convince someone like you? Lol.
>>64622145 There wasn't EDTA in the samples and then people questioned the test and tried to slam it's results instead of asking them to conduct a new test ( because they're afraid they're going to be proven wrong again)
>>64622157 Okay, so you agree that it must've been cleaned before his DNA got on there. So why would he clean the key and then let it laying around in his apartment with his blood on it? Why would he not clean the key again, then? Does that seem likely to you?
>>64622183 Because the EDTA test is inherently biased towards Steven. The other expert witness even told you so. If there isn't any EDTA found in the blood, the test isn't conclusive to argue that there must not be EDTA in the blood, just that it wasn't detected.
>>64622232 So he's smart enough to so thoroughly clean his garage and trailer to leave it completely devoid of any human blood and smart enough to thoroughly clean this key, but he was stupid enough to clean it a second time after it had his blood on it?
So which one is it? Was he smart or was he stupid?
>>64620924 >If police scare you, it's because you are a social miscreant. What an original, groundbreaking, irrefutable argument there. Right up there with "only somebody with SOMETHING TO HIDE would close the stall door before taking a shit." Truly amazing.
>You get emotional over soap operas. When did I indicate that. Was it when I said:
>I recommend Snowtown if you want a /tv/ related experience to see what happens when you don't keep these people controlled.
No? Oh that wasn't me. Who was it? Oh. Right. It was you.
>You literally can't be intelligent and hold those positions at the same time. Sorry. Ah, you're more self-aware of your condition than I thought. I guess in that respect I underestimated you.
The expert witness said that not finding EDTA doesn't have to say there isn't any EDTA. Just that it isn't detected.
If someone tells you with a straight face that they know for a fact that some sample they have not tested is devoid of any EDTA trace and you still choose to believe them, then you're entirely making a decision based on your biased feelings towards law enforcement.
>>64622380 I done saw him on the news he was gone guilty I swear, that media news lady showed him and then that there big booming music played and the video slowed down he was real scary like he clearly done it, they wouldn't show an innocent man like that there no way.
>What an original, groundbreaking, irrefutable argument there.
It's also correct.
>When did I indicate that. Was it when I said:
You are emotional right now. You are indignant and angry over the perceived violation of the rights of two retarded criminals that you have no personal connection to sitting in jail. You are no different from a teenage girl getting emotional over the love lives of Taylor Swift or The Kardashians.
>>64622375 That isn't consistent with the picture you're trying to paint here. To be good and smart enough to clean such a big space, the key and her car must take a great dose of meticulousness and intelligence, but if he was too stupid to clean the key a second time after his blood got on there and the same with the car is a level of stupid that Brendan Dassey can't even achieve. You're choosing to doublethink here.
But it is a fairly ridiculous assumption that he went to the lengths to clean the DNA evidence of a violent stabbing and rape completely from a crowded, messy bedroom and bed, but somehow missed a key. Not beyond the realm of possibility, but certainly strange.
Likewise the late discovering of the key behind the bedside bookshelf. A 2 hour long early morning drug raid will turn over more prominent hiding places than that, let alone a meticulous evidence combing of a white lady rape murder scene.
>>64622465 I think you're choosing to be willfully obtuse. How was the key not found on the multiple prior searches only to finally be found laying in plain site. The above anon is right. You're being inconsistent with the way you're trying to depict Avery.
>>64622447 Not him but I'll bite. They never found the crime scene. The key had non-blood dna from Avery. That key was also probably a spare key, not the key Halbach used on a daily basis. No criminal mastermind here. There's just a lot that people can spin conspiracy theories out of.
>>64622517 Because it was planted there. The police tampered with evidence. They made sure he was convicted because people like you on the jury would have found him innocent and allowed a killer to go Free. Sometimes adults have to make hard decisions. You'll learn someday kiddo.
1. Not becoming hysterical over a TV show is not being devoid of empathy. It's being emotionally balanced. Your teenage hormones are out of whack, most likely.
2. There is no substantial evidence for you to make the claim that they are being "Clearly" Framed. It's a supposition made based on shaky and selective storytelling by an agenda driven media creator.
3. You have no way of knowing if they committed the crime or not. This is another wild assumption made by you because you are driven by emotion and those emotions are easily inflamed by television entertainment.
>>64622484 Again: the amount of meticulousness needed to clean all of those places and actually achieving that it is completely devoid of any human blood from all parties, yet leaving a bunch of deer blood, is too high to make it reasonable that he just missed his blood being on the key after cleaning it. More likely is it that someone with that level of skill, would stop to check the key a second time.
It could happen, of course, but it is not likely at all. Much more likely is the scenario that it was planted there by Lenk, especially considering the circumstances they found it.
>>64622587 He got it from her car, I would assume. Where are the rest of her keys? I don't know. But I do know they found a key to her car and it had Avery's dna on it. That's the problem with conspiracy theorists. They need everything to be answered when shit goes unanswered all the time.
>>64622761 I mean from a storytelling viewpoint, of course. But if the morale of the story is he's innocent which the documentary is clearly slanted to show that he is, a previous conviction and subsequent exoneration only garners up sympathy points from the audience.
>>64622730 Maybe someone can clarify this for me. I know the salvage yard was pretty huge but weren't all the residences grouped close together? Then again they are a bunch of hicks so maybe they wouldn't think anything of hearing a gunshot go off in the middle of the afternoon.
Interestingly if he HAD raped a woman in 1985, a decent lawyer would have been able to have to suppressed in the following case.
Anyway, both this and Paradise Lost were interesting in that, unlike The Thin Blue Line where a person was clearly wrongfully imprisoned, there is nothing definite about the actions of these parties, and it demonstrates how laziness, incompetence and under funding lead these sloppy cases and prosecutions that essentially make the question of guilt redundant, because you can no longer see past the litany of mistakes and missed opportunities.
A high profile murder case of a prominent citizen? You can bet investigators would have built hypothetical cases against Avery's brother in law and Dasslemania's brother. Simply to rule them out. They wouldn't have risked the chance of a mistrial or exoneration on a planet key.
But in a podunk fucking backwards nowhere town? They just don't have the time, money or interesting (or as the convictions show, necessity) to do that.
You can also rest easy knowing this goes both ways, and that is why guys like Gary Ridgeway were able to rack up nearly 100 murders of social bottom feeders in their time.
>>64622808 I agree that the documentary is slanted to show that he is innocent, but I believe the circumstances regarding the case are shady enough to justify not finding Steven guilty. In fact that he was sentenced with all the circumstances surrounding the case is a testament to how broken a jury conviction is.
>>64622888 Three things wrong with the jury: a) It's Wisconsin b) He already had a bad rep from the 1985 case, not to mention being a social class below that of the average WI hick c) The 12th juror being excused and deliberations restarted
I know if it was me the decision I made in regards to the 12th juror would keep me up at night more than anything
>>64622441 >>When did I indicate that. Was it when I said:
>You are emotional right now. You are indignant and angry over the perceived violation of the rights of two retarded criminals that you have no personal connection to sitting in jail. You are no different from a teenage girl getting emotional over the love lives of Taylor Swift or The Kardashians.
Not sure what that reply has do with the sentence fragment that you quoted. You sure do seem to have scattered thought patterns, certainly more indicative of emotional mental instability than rational thought.
I guess you approach arguments with the same loose logic you apply to a trial. Like you wouldn't base a verdict on evidence, neither do you seem to base your arguments on anything I actually said. Not once in this thread did I talk about the two retards in the movie.
Also, if your comments inspired as much emotion in me as you think they did, I probably would have replied to them an hour and a half ago when I first read them. Instead I went out, ate breakfast and drank coffee.
>>64622441 >>64623005 >>64620980 For instance, if you raped and murdered this persons child >>64620879 (You) I would let you walk, regardless of how blatantly guilty you are. I saw this comment too by the way. I guess I was so overcome with emotion by your superior trolling technique that I actually forgot to express my disgust and outrage. My bad.
>>64624133 Except plenty of people in this thread have said Steve Avery belongs in jail just for being dumb white trash. That anon is retarded. Avery and his family are the niggers of that part of Wisconsin.
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