So i was watchin Plinkett's Phantom Menace Review earlier, and one thing he said had me thinking...
He said "why would the Trade federation have a whole robot army etc.."
I never thought of this (and im kinda high right now so apologies) but since I was a kid i always thougt these guys were actually like the "empire"....
So was the Empire even in existence yet in episode 1?
>tl;dr: Are pic related part of the EPIRE or no?
They had money and were perverting their standing as a "trade federation" to start becoming more like their own entity
It's as if the EU started centralizing as a body and then decided to raise their own standing force
I need to watch this stupid fucking "review" I keep hearing about so I can get royally mad
empire didnt exist until the senate voted to turn into it, and why would a massive trade group not have a large security force? people hire mercenaries to protect their ships from pirates in real life, so why cant a sci-fi merchant force build it's own army?
It is a somewhat valid question because they're a mercantile organization operating exclusively in sovereign territory. Therefore the idea that sovereign nation or collection of sovereign nations would just be fine with the interstellar equivalent of amazon.com rolling around with invasion force sufficient to conquer entire nations should have caused some shit.
But that's handwaved by sheev being really gud at mind control.
I started but then got bored after 8 minutes and apparently this memeing fuck spent an hour on a review meandering and pointlessly alluding to other movies with a "lulzy" slow voice
does anyone have the major criticisms just listed
No, they're the Federation, which then leads the Separatists in the sequels. If anything, a lot of the Separatists probably turn into the rebels.
the empire is the former republic, minus some planets which chose to abandon it.
it's because in the 70's Lucas read Dune and decided he liked the whole feudal space empire thing
a Spacing Guild with a total monopoly on interstellar travel makes no sense in Star Wars so he made them into merchants instead
Venice was a state, it's not even remotely comparable
a better historical example would be the British East Tea Company which had a standing army and de facto controlled parts of India
No one knew that they had an army and were ready for a full scale invasion, that's why no one in the Senate believes Amidala's invasion claims at first. Besides, in a huge hostile galaxy it's not beyond reason for a rich trade federation to have an army to secure their interests or in case shit starts going down.
My only problem is why did they ally with Sheev in the first place. What did he have to offer? They had no idea who he was so they pretty much followed instructions of some guy in a hood with a creepy voice
He was pulling the strings. The invasion of Naboo in particular was his idea. They were dragging their feet most of the way but afraid of him because they knew he was a Sith. He wanted Naboo attacked since it was his Senatorial constituency and it would grant him the chancellorship.
This is the most valid answer, merchant fleets need a security force to protect their goods and services. What good are they as merchants if their cargo ships keep getting raided by pirates?
yeah it's explained why Sheev needs the trade federation to help him
but why do the trade federation need his help? They're apparently already filthy rich and are a major player in galactic politics. They have a shit ton to lose from a botched illegal invasion, and it's never explained what they have to gain
The droid army was contracted from outlaws on Geonosis and stored securely aboard their control ships
It's a pretty big galaxy, all you need to do to hide something is not show it
Only if they're operating in a large amount of "international waters." Naboo not being "international waters."
That's the problem here. East india trading company had a huge military force because they were operating, primarily, in wilderness. Whereas the trade federation was just invading planets like it was cool
No, they were a conglomeration of megacorporations, basically.
The Trade Federation wasn't always led by Nemoidians, either. It had humans and other species as leaders since it began. However, Darth Sidious (not knowing he was Palpatine) was the guy who helped Nute Gunray take over the company. They's partly why they were loyal to him.
I know what Sheev's motivations were but why did the Trade Federation agree to this plan? The movie establishes that it's a very risky move for them as they could lose their trade franchise, and since they don't know they're dealing with a Senator soon to be Chancellor I don't quite see what Sidious had to offer to get the Trade Federation guys on board
I honestly don't understand why people loathe the political aspect of the prequels so much.
it only makes sense that in a republic the size of a fucking galaxy there's going to be politics...
I remember that they're really afraid of him. I don't know if it's explicitly mentioned but he may have softened them up into getting in on his deal and were in too deep before realizing he was going to far.
It's pretty clear Gunray is spineless so it may have been over 50% coercion or mind control.
or have a dark side master hiding it from the council of nearly-omniscient wizards.
As this is the problem with all the "politics" in the prequels. They were just smoke for sheev doing everything with his magic powers.
the trade federation had a standing army though, and was clearly capable of fielding enough troops for a planetary invasion.
It's hardly enough troops for fighting off some pirates - by the second movie they have the largest army in the galaxy before the clones show up. It's obvious that their role in the universe was beyond just merchants with that level of firepower
I'm doubly annoyed by the fact that this has manifested itself in the development of the new sequels.
Think about how little time at all they spent talking about he new Republic following the destruction of the Empire. And why does there have to be another ragtag" Resistance paramilitary group? That's right, because they're afraid of politics and explaining the post-Empire galactic world and want to focus on the hoot and holler action and things blowing up.
In the 2nd movie it's no longer the Trade Federation. It's a separatist movement that wants to claim independence from the Republic. It makes sense that they need a powerful army to get it
Naboo harvests plasma frm its core or something, that's what the purple light beams are in the final battle, and why Naboo has a hollow core.
It stands to reason that they make their money by selling this plasma. They have a trade deal with the Trade Federation to sell their product. The Federation wants control of Naboo to be able to take more of the profit for themselves. That's what the Treaty does. it "legitimizes their occupation of the planet," basically giving it away.
>operating exclusively in sovereign territory.
Wrong. They're interstellar merchants. They're operating on the high seas where anything can happen, and no one is going to show up and help.
Instead of hiring outside help, they just bought a shitload of discount droids. Really though, more of the trade federation should have been mechanized. Big power loaders moving shipping containers and racks of powered down droids, droid attendants floating behind trade federation officials. Instead we get a protocol droid and roger roger.
There's literally a Corporate Sector in Star Wars; so it's not far off to think that there could be equivalent megacorps running around.
Also, Naboo is on far side of the Mid Rim, so it's not as easy for the Republic to police it.
The Republic also didn't have control over Hutt Space, which Tattooine was in.
Italian merchant city states are still states. Just because they're ruled by merchant families and get the majority of their money from trade doesn't mean they're not political entities. Same goes for similar countries today like Singapore.
the European viewpoint was that it was. As far as diplomacy was concerned, it was neutral territory and up for grabs. France might not be happy England was expanding into it, but it wasn't the same as England landing troops in French territory
No there wasn't, that begot a story surrounding a ragtag rebellion taking down an Empire
they took down an Empire, and peace and the Republic were restored, so how about we go with a new plot tangent along those lines?
Oh no, that's dangerous, we may fudge it up. Let's shoehorn a needless rebellion group to handle this not-Empire upstart instead of the Republic in order to avoid politics entirely.
I suppose you could also guess their compliance would also be due to sheev promising them a spot in the upcoming galactic empire. It was explained in Attack of the Clones and it culminated in Revenge of the Sith, until sheev betrayed the separatists.
and that is a bad thing how? You can fill in the blanks easily enough on your own. Why do you demand movies sit you down for a half hour seminar on the political relations of all involved parties before showing you a movie? If you want that kind of depth, you read.
You might like the works of Saganfan83 then.
But that would require to reveal his identity and the entire plan. As far as the trade federation is concerned, he was just an old creep with magic powers, powerful but hardly powerful enough to bring down a Republic that stood for thousands of years
And how do you know that the trade federation doesnt run like a state?
Or would such an organization be noticeably different from a rentier state?
>the European viewpoint was that it was.
No it fucking wasnt
It was a densely populated land mass with numerous populations to put down.
But odds are this thread is the first time you've heard of them is this thread, and you are just trying to bs your way out
Did you miss the part where some paramilitary organization doing the Republic's job for them makes no fucking sense? There's a fucking Empire upstart building the MegaDeathStar 3.0 and they're resting on their laurels. I'm so fucking sure.
>let's send an expeditionary band of 10 X Wings to go deal with this threat
I'm doubly sure
>we have a janitor that will help us get the vital shield codes
Hutts have their own military and aren't part of the Republic. Everything else in Hutt Space (far east of Galaxy) is basically slaves to them.
Yeah but we all know you first learned about it in the Disney movie and then rushed home to read about it on wiki. As opposed to history scholars like me who learned about it playing modded Paradox games.
The army that invaded Naboo was 200 000+ droids, and this was during a peaceful time in the Republic and to take over just 1 planet.
The clone army Sheev got was just over a million, and that was in the middle of open war and to defend the whole galaxy
Either the Federation put absolutely all of their troops into attacking Naboo (leaving everything else in the galaxy vulnerable to pirates), or they put only a fraction of their total forces at the time into it, which would suggest they had an army in the millions before the war even began.
Also don't forget that the black chief of security working for Amidala said that the Federation Army was "battle-hardened" which strongly suggests they were engaged in a lot more than just fighting off pirates and defending their cargo.
Any way you look at it, the Federation had a massive army at this point and it makes 0 sense given the politics the movie is trying to present
Yeah, the Trade Federation is basically dominating an anti-dynastic and semi-Hellenic "waste Republic", under the grip of various families leading all the way up to Sheev.
Why SHOULDN'T they have an army?
Can someone explain this? In a universe full of pirates, crime syndicates and an ineffective republic why would any planet/system/etc avoid having an army?
This is such a stupid point. May as well ask "hurr durr why did gungans have an army"
What has me a little confused is that When Dooku was explaining his part of the master plan to Kenobi, I assumed he was straight-up telling the truth the whole time because Obi-Wan wouldn't believe a word of it anyway.
He goes on to say that Gunray felt slighted by Sidious and being the fall guy for the plan, and ran into Dooku's arms because he was planning to take Sidious down.
But then Gunray's cool with taking Sidious's orders again in ROTS.
iirc they technically are part of the Republic and later the Empire, but have some kind of autonomous status and behave more like loosely affiliated vassals of the Republic/Empire than full members. Kind of Like Puerto Rico's relationship with the U.S.
Oh good. A hot air movie with no substance that has a bone-thin plot structure to merely do the least amount possible to prop up a thinly-veiled two hour tech demo of the OT. I'm completely satisfied, and waiting on edge for what may unfold in the next episode, of which I have no idea because they included no setup or expository world knowledge.
The political angle never bothered me, but I wished that we followed Padme's political ambitions in the Senate instead of being sidetracked by the CGI battle.
>But then Gunray's cool with taking Sidious's orders again in ROTS.
Like you're going to talk shit to Sheev's face.
Sidious promised the federation peace or something. Its in the dialogue, somewhere, during or after the Attack of the Clones.
Its reasonable to believe that they knew he was going to do something big enough to keep them safe after the war ended (which they knew was a fake war from the beginning).
the British East India Company had a massive army and used it to outright conquer several countries. The Trade Federation probably occupies planets all the time, this is just the first time they've done it to planet that has full membership in the Republic
How come in Clone Wars the Republic had to get them to sign a treaty to allow Republic ships in their territory?
They're pretty damn autonomous. They also have slaves which violates the Republic's Rights of Sentience law.
I'm 8 minutes into this piece of shit. I can't go any further.
He questioned his friends about describing characters' personalities. His point was that they couldn't describe Qui-Gon Jinn as well as Han Solo.
His friends are dumbfucks. Just off the top of my head: Qui-Gon Jinn is wise, extremely confident in his actions and the Force, and willing to argue with the Jedi Order for what he feels is right.
This character test is the most cancerous shit that came from those videos. I've seen something like that on this board a million times
>LOL THE CHARACTER WAS SHIT DESCRIBE IT WITHOUT SAYING WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE WHAT THEY DO OR WHO THEY ARE
>5 replies describing the character in exactly the specified way
>rinse and repeat in another thread
When this planet has no standing army, your security force does not need to be big
do you get relativity
also it's my understanding that manufacturing droids wasn't very cost intensive or high maintenance, you aren't paying them
once they decide to defect from the Republic they move onto full scale production and output with Super Battle Droids and all that
>You got old enough to watch ironic trolls trick millennials into liking the Star Wars prequels
How about "some"
I don't even know who that old bastard on Jakku was
apparently that planet that was blown up was not Coruscant, ok
what was the "Resistance" waiting for? This super cannon with a caliber of the old death star to become operational before raiding? Is this their first rodeo with Death Stars?
I don't get a lot. And they provide essentially nothing. Their "exposition" are dumb flashbacks in Rey's head, how helpful is that for anything?
My friend brought this up to me. I argued for him to do the same with his beloved Tron Legacy characters. Also he absolutely loves the new Tron as well as all the Underworld movies and Resident Evil movies so his opinions are pretty worthless.
Could you describe Qui-Gon as a Gambler in that test? As someone who feels self-justified by using or even abusing the force to win small victories in daily life?
Could you call him an Antinomian rebel?
Someone with a strong scientific bent that is interested in things like midichlorian counts (in contradistinction to the Council)?
A part-time political Lecturer, etc.
the million clones is said by the tall neck alium in Attack of the Clones
the 200 000 I got off of the wiki which granted is pretty questionable due to >autism but it's the best I can do
TFA establishes the resistance doesn't know about starkiller until after it fires. So the implication is the resistance is just a small independent paramilitary force intended to hunt down and combat empire remnants without interference from the senate, and one such sect was able to cobble together something major because the empire remnants were underestimated by the republic.
But, yea I get it, because the movie didn't sit you down and explain to you every last detail, and, instead, just threw you into a situation where you don't know what the hell is going on (just like ANH) and populated it with characters that don't explain, for the audience's benefit, exactly what is going on, and react organically to said situations, you were triggered.
dunno about the droids, but the clone figure is given in AotC. The Cloning dudes specifically tell Obi that 200,000 units were ready, with 1,000,000 on the way.
of course, its never specified what exactly a unit is, whether its an individual clone or a military unit
>But that's handwaved by sheev being really gud at mind control.
He's good at manipulation, he didn't have to mind control anyone in Phantom Menace, he just manipulated the events so he'll eventually be elected Supreme Chancellor.
>Just like ANH
This comparison is ridiculous. ANH established everything you need to know about the entire movie in its opening shot.
BIG, STRONG, LONG REACH
TINY, RUNNING, ON THE BACKFOOT
And you actually compare that fuckfest of a TFA with its clumsy effort at setting up its political scene to ANH.
You're retarded. A movie where you have to stop and go read a fucking pamphlet to figure out what the hell is going on and why it's going on is a shit movie.
ANH explains a lot of the conflict, there's a lot of dialogue and sitting down and expounding upon the situation.
But no, go ahead and be needlessly condescending in order to feign intellectual superiority in order to make up for TFA's lackluster plot.
YES. THEN WHY IS IT SO UNREASONABLE THAT HE COULD MANIPULATE ANAKIN TO THE POINT OF MASS MURDER FROM YOUNGLINGS TO SPACE GOOKS?
ANAKIN CLEARLY HAD CONFLICT WHILST CARRYING OUT THE CHANCELLOR'S ORDERS. HE CRIED ON MUSTIFAR THE ENTIRE TIME BEFORE PADME AND OBIWAN ARRIVED.
>the Empire, having a total stranglehold over the galaxy, built a Death Star capable of destroying planets
>an Imperial remnant, after losing a war, built a Death Star that was 30 times bigger and 50 times more powerful
that makes sense because of the mental gymnastics I make. none of what you said is even hinted at in the movie. The only time we hear about the Republic in the movie is when it's about to be blown to shreds (and we don't even learn the name of the system until it's blow up)
Naboo was literally the only planet they invaded, under the guise of the blockade they put up in protest of the increased taxation of trade routes.
They wanted Amidala to sign a treaty making their invasion completely legal.
Police used to work security detail, now they can be privately contracted. It's a reflection of the weakness of the Republic itself that it lost sight of the long view of this situation. It doesn't comprise a true State, since it doesn't control these planet-sized armies, mercenaries or cloning facilities. The galactic Senate is largely a meaningless structure unless some meaningful agreement can be reached by those involved.
none of the numbers make sense, really. 200 000 soldiers would be nowhere near enough to occupy an entire planet, even one that's just pacifists and frog people, and a Grand Army of the Republic that's 1.2 million makes it smaller than the current US army, even though it's supposed to be securing the entire galaxy filled with thousands of populated worlds
The point is the Trade Federation's role in the Naboo invasion was never explained properly, and while a merchant group with a large standing army like the East India Tea Company makes sense in an age of discovery, colonialism, and lawlessness on the high sea, it makes no sense in the incredibly well-organised and peaceful Republic that the prequels try to portray
It was mentioned in an off hand comment when we already had to get over it because it was time to rush to another action scene
>0 rebuttal of anything I said
Tell me how does the movie explain a small remnant of the Empire building a station that's 50 times more powerful than anything Empire ever managed?
its because Lucas has absolutely no sense of scale (most space opera writers don't). Of course, one could just assume a "unit" is actually a group of clones, like a regiment or even a corp
>the incredibly well-organised and peaceful Republic that the prequels try to portray
You...didn't pay attention at all, did you?
The entire naboo debacle was showing how absolutely ineffective the republic was.
lmao dude you didn't even watch the damn movies
>In a universe full of pirates, crime syndicates and an ineffective republic why would any planet/system/etc avoid having an army?
I don't remember seeing any pirates or crime syndicates in the prequels. I guess unless you count the Hutts, but that was on Tattooine which was bum-fuck nowhere and the movie explicitly said the Trade Federation doesn't do business out there. If they only did business in the core worlds, having that standing army really would make no sense
Well, there's no set size for "planet". Maybe Naboo is small and sparsely populated. That's what it seemed like.
>well-organised and peaceful Republic that the prequels try to portray
The entire point of the prequels is a dysfunctional Republican senate getting coopted by one madman with a plan
Maybe you grew up with the prequels.
Nothing said in the OT ever felt like it was said for the sake of cluing the audience in. Then everything in the prequels felt like massive exposition dumps because lucas can't write natural dialogue (or anything else) to save his life.
You're welcome to try to prove me wrong, though.
Sheev probably has a lot of shit on the Trade Federation that he used to blackmail them into doing his bidding.
And they didn't really have anything to lose because Sheev was going to make the invasion legal if not for those meddling Jedi.
The Republic was corrupt and ineffectual, but it was clearly peaceful. The movie was trying to portray it as decadent, stagnant, and overly-cautious
>entire lush planet
>build only one city on it
as dumb as it sounds, that is the impression you get from the movie so it's a fair point
The Force Awakens was, literally, so bad that it birthed a widespread positive revisionist outlook on the Prequel Trilogy AND effectively killed off all RedLetterMedia discussion on /tv/ in one swift stroke.
Just think about that.
>Sheev probably has a lot of shit on the Trade Federation that he used to blackmail them into doing his bidding.
Why were we not shown any of this then
Why are you so desperate to invent excuses to explain a shitty movie that doesn't make the effort to explain itself
How can a man be literally cucked by a movie
They're hippies with no standing army. If you want to see what happens when a group of voracious capitalists colonize a planet, see Coruscant.
Why do you think Naboo is getting picked on lel
>Well, there's no set size for "planet". Maybe Naboo is small and sparsely populated
looked like 1G of gravity so it's safe to assume it's roughly Earth-sized. I mean, that's giving a lot of credit to the people making it that they'd give half of a fuck to change things if it weren't 1G, but whatever
>it only makes sense that in a republic the size of a fucking galaxy there's going to be politics
Doubly so when the formation of the Galactic Empire needed to be explained.
Or did people really think Sheev conquered the galaxy on his own?
he didn't want to execute the younglings. he was having doubts as to why they needed to die. but when Sors Bandeam saw him, and asked 'Master Skywalker, there's too many of them! What are we going to do?' this reminded Anakin that the Council did not in fact make him a master, breaking the barrier that was holding all the emotions fo what was happening, and in a fit of fury and rage killed the younglings.
>Maybe Naboo is small and sparsely populated.
Not out of the question.
A lot of planets were still being that way. Humans originally came from Coruscant and started colonizing other planets like 30,000 years before Episode I.
The Gungans are actually the native species. Humans came to Naboo on colony ships. Gunags may not have even evolved yet by the time Coruscant discovered hyperspace engines.
The Resistance isn't hunting down the First Order.
The Resistance is the underdog because they're operating in First Order controlled space.
The galaxy is pretty much split in two in The Force Awakens.
>every greasy neckbeard on this chinese cartoon board dislikes the force awakens
>also this suddenly magically makes them like the prequels
>nobody on the tv section of the chinese cartoon forum website talks about youtube content creators anymore
>this somehow invalidates that the prequels are garbage and anybody that likes them is retarded
Yeah see, I'm thinking about it and I'm just coming to the conclusion that you're a buttmad faggot that likes the phantom menace.
And I never mentioned The Force Awakens at all.
>colonised 30 000 years ago
>already had technology capable of interstellar travel
>only managed to build one city in that time
humans on Earth went from 100 000 to 7 billion in half that time, and we started with stick and rock based technology
Look at the poster count on each of these threads. I guarantee that there are about 15 dedicated Australians and a few of their buddies from /sp/ that have made it their mission to spread faggotry, edginess, and the Australian way to every Star Wars thread on this board. This is going to be the darkest year for this board in a fucking while. Prepare to see nothing but prequel apologists spewing bizarre politically laced epithets and contrarianism. This site was always shit but now it's going to be much, much shittier.
>Tell me how does the movie explain a small remnant of the Empire building a station that's 50 times more powerful than anything Empire ever managed?
It also shoots a new type of energy that the station harvests from stars that is unlimited and can travel in Not!Hyperspace.
I'll say it as I've said it a million times
I don't think TFA was bad, I think it was a needless addition to Star Wars as it was a rehashed production, not just similar, but literally rehashed, production of the OT, with almost no new story added
So while it may have made me excited at times in the theater, it left no impression on me afterwards, I'm simply not engaged
that was not the case with the PT, for all of its faults in execution and detail
Star Wars is a SPACE OPERA
not a 2 hour action fest
>implying 30,000 of those years were involved with Naboo
>Originally, Naboo was only home to the Gungans, a species of lanky amphibians. However, at some point in the distant past, a group of human colonists from Grizmallt crashed on Naboo.
>Some eight-hundred and forty-seven years before the Clone Wars, Naboo joined the Galactic Republic,
Saganfan is a legitimately autistic YouTuber who scours the internet day and night to defend the prequels, while fighting the good fight against RedLetterMedia. He recently discovered 4chan after the release of TFA, and has made it his mission to spread prequel apology and autism awareness to us all.
I would think that would only bolster his descent. He knew Plagueis could do it, he knew he had (purportedly) the highest Force potential in thus far in the galaxy. It's a matter of putting your mind to it.
The key draw wasn't just Sheev, it was the dark side of force powers.
And if Anakin didn't do Sheev's bidding then Sheev would teach Anakin everything he knew of the Force, so maybe one day Anakin could figure it out.
Anakin is basically a Force cuck
he is saying that humans began colonized the galaxy at that time, not that Naboo was colonized that long ago.
space travel at the time involved using a canon that shot you into hyperspace. they didn't have in built hyperspace engines like they do now. space exploration was fucked because they had to go everywhere manually first to establish safe hyperspace lanes, then build the actual hyperspace canons away from civilization
shit takes time. the invention of a hyperspace engine that you could actually put on a ship and not be fucked by going manually everywhere first
wouldn't the existence of a supremely butthurt entity like Plinkett beget the rise and existence of an opposite and equal butthurt entity like an autistic PT defender
seems like balance in the force to me
>However, at some point in the distant past, a group of human colonists from Grizmallt crashed on Naboo.
Was this before or after Jar Jar Binks' father killed himself because JJ was a clumsy shit?
>mfw i have lived long enough for the prequels to become analyzed in such detail that it redeems the story
>mfw Lucas really did to good
>mfw to understand his works you had to go full ENCHANTMENT
i uh, i don't know what to say
i always thought this day would come, but i never thought it would happen in my life time
The United East Indian Company (Dutch: Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie; VOC), referred to by the British as the Dutch East India Company, was originally established as a chartered company in 1602, when the Dutch government granted it a 21-year monopoly on Dutch spice trade. It is often considered to have been the first multinational corporation in the world  and it was the first company to issue stock. It was a powerful company, possessing quasi-governmental powers, including the ability to wage war, imprison and execute convicts, negotiate treaties, strike its own coins, and establish colonies.
Statistically, the VOC eclipsed all of its rivals in the Asia trade. Between 1602 and 1796 the VOC sent almost a million Europeans to work in the Asia trade on 4,785 ships, and netted for their efforts more than 2.5 million tons of Asian trade goods. By contrast, the rest of Europe combined sent only 882,412 people from 1500 to 1795, and the fleet of the English (later British) East India Company, the VOC's nearest competitor, was a distant second to its total traffic with 2,690 ships and a mere one-fifth the tonnage of goods carried by the VOC. The VOC enjoyed huge profits from its spice monopoly through most of the 17th century.
Not according to the official novelization of Force Awakens.
The dark energy is also the reason people can see Hosnian Prime exploding from thousands of lightyears away, because it turns into some phantom whatever that travels in sub-hyperspace.
> In order for the weapon to fire, its weapons engineers would induce a breach in the containment field, allowing the collected dark energy to escape the core through the hollow cylinder opening on the antipodes of the planet relative to the stellar collector. During this process, the dark energy transformed to a state known as "phantom energy", and left the planet behind, tearing a hole through hyperspace along a perfectly linear path. The people stationed at the Base called the dimension through which the phantom energy beam traveled "sub-hyperspace", and this method of delivering the payload was near-instantaneous across vast distances.
>When the phantom energy struck a planet, the interaction produced enough heat to ignite the planet's core, creating a pocket nova. The spacetime disruption caused by the phantom energy's passage would make the nova instantaneously visible thousands of light years away.
>this is comparable to a mirage
they were easily manipulated. the nemoidians behaved just as stupidly as gungans. makes you wonder how they have a trade federation, but it doesn't make sense how the dumb gungans have advanced tech either. if they wanted to do a big trade dispute army invasion story they should have made it into 5 movies and had better writing. it's just really at odds with the jedi drama and the annoying kid training angle.
this is one of those things that was perfectly explained in the EU but now idk whats cannon
the old reason was that 1. the republic didn't have a formal military 2 most systems weren't alowed to have a formal military 3. pirates all over the outer rim 4. trade federation got permission to create battle droids to protect from pirates in the outer rim from the republic
and 5. trade federation blockades taboo to protest new taxation on a stretch of the galaxy what were once called free trade zones, naboo being in that patch of space an has openly supported its taxation.
but none of that is technically cannon so lets see if Disney can come up with something better
The Empire did not yet exist. They form in Revenge of the Sith.
The Trade Federation is basically the East India Company, with their own private army, much like the East India Company.
In this case, their private army is made of droids.
I don't think disney cares about trying to fill in the multitude of plot holes and inconsistencies in the prequels. In fact I would assume they'll reference them as little as possible to sweep them under the rug in a sense.
Trade federation is comparable to USA (strongarming smaller countries into signing trade deals) and WTO (unelected and unnacountable but manages to get invited to world political functions)
>They don't know they have an invasion force
>everyone's in the dark about this
What kind of disastrously inept government is incapable of noticing that an entity within it has a standing army of size and strength capable of challenging the government?
What was the role of the Jedis?
They seem like a puppet of the Republic, hardly these independent pure good guy warriors.
If they were holy warriors then why didn't they go back and bust up the slavery going on on tatooine?
My point stands, and I'm noticing a trend here. Not a single one of the people defending the prequels bring up any good points about why the prequels were actually good, they just try to vaguely rag on the new movie.
>what is a reboot
Star Wars is made for CHILDREN. That's why there are so many toys. The fact that it's almost the same movie you saw when you were young is because that's the point. All the fanboy manchildren that complain about the movie are doing so from their parents basements.
Except anon didn't say that, they said people always overly focus on the bad things and not the good things too.
Also this thread has pretty much conclusively put to the bed the "why did the trade federation have an army?" argument. Capitalists will always end up having to protect their profits.
it was a dumb point, and makes me question a lot of the RLM stuff
The point is that it didn't need to be a reboot.
Instead it's highly derivative generic action blockbuster shit that goes out of it's way to be unlike the prequels, causing it to be a largely confusing ADD mess, while constantly masturbating the original trilogy to get enough nerd points from "aforementioned fanboy manchildren" and people who have literally never seen a Star Wars movie but want to seem "geeky"
The prequels had a good story, environments (CGI notwithstanding), characters and god tier music.
The problem was the script and acting, the latter of which mostly suffered from the former.
And people bring TFA into discussions about the prequels because it seems the only defense TFA shills have is "at least it wasn't as bad as the prequels" which is literally untrue.
>the prequels had good stories and characters
>the problem was the script and acting
it had a shitty script, making the story and characters bland and boring. the only good thing was the designs.
Sure it didn't need a reboot but it "needed" a $$$$$reboot$$$$ so they could sell and advertise star wars again. I swear I haven't seen a commercial on tv since TFA came out that doesn't start with the star wars theme or some version of "in a toy store far far away....."
I guess I just don't understand how anybody could like the prequels and not like TFA. I can't agree with you that the characters were good (jar jar was in the prequels) and I thought there was too much story for it to be good. I'd rather sit down and reread Ulysses than listen to people talk about trade and then have ridiculous seizure inducing lightsaber battles. Also midichlorians......WHY? Regardless of whether you like RLM or the plinkett reviews you really can't refute the point he brings up when it shows Yoda, a wise old jedi monk, explaining how the force is this mystical force all around us that permeates life. To try to completely erase that and have qi gon walk into anakins life and say "omg over 9000" is rage inducing.
So Jar Jar's existence means every single character in the prequels is shit? Why is Jar Jar and midichlorians the only thing people always use when the criticize the prequels, like they had nothing else to say.
Midichlorians weren't used as power levels and you're literally retarded if you understood them as such.
Because people understood them as literal power levels.
That Anakin having more midichlorians meant he was always stronger than Yoda, despite it only meaning that Anakin was literally created from the Force.
a continent on earth is way larger a portion than a planet in the galaxy
walmart, or some oil/diamond company should be capable of taking control of some small backwater african nation, which happens all the time
The jar jar thing was a joke and yes the joke was me implying that jar jar made all the characters terrible. Great job picking up on that. Anakin is a whiny bitch, the love story with him and padme is "we're both hot, we're in love!" padme is "a senator" (that's it) qi gon and obi wan were basically blank slate "action jedi man" mace windu was samuel L jackson trying as hard as he can to not yell at everybody like he usually does. They turned yoda from a wise monk that gets over his size by being an extremely powerful user of the force to a little midget that flips around with a lightsaber and screams and occasionally uses the force to throw rocks at count dookie. Count dookie is a blatant misuse of an amazing actor and palpatine was spooky mysterious "i'm totally not the villain, oh wait I was the villain! bet you weren't expecting that!"
midichlorians were for some reason made up so instead of saying "the force is strong in this one" they could say "wow his midichlorian count is off the charts". It's all just complete nonsense
>midichlorians were for some reason made up so instead of saying "the force is strong in this one" they could say "wow his midichlorian count is off the charts". It's all just complete nonsense
Except it was literally only used when Qui-Gon explained Force sensitivity to Anakin.
Your inability to read characters and their motivations is on you, not the movie.
>qi gon and obi wan were basically blank slate "action jedi man"
>padme is "a senator" (that's it)
Wrong as well
>mace windu was samuel L jackson trying as hard as he can to not yell at everybody like he usually does.
What the fuck kind of criticism is that
>palpatine was spooky mysterious "i'm totally not the villain, oh wait I was the villain! bet you weren't expecting that!"
What the fuck kind of criticism is that
>strawman even harder
The point is the force was described basically as magic and mysticism in the original movies and in the prequels qui gon pulls out a little computer and reads anakins midichlorian count which makes the force no longer some crazy cool power that some people can control, it's just essentially tiny bacteria that people can somehow alter. My ability to read characters is fine, the characters are trash.
Strawman can't see past the field he stands in. I'm giving you reasons I think the characters are stupid, and instead of giving me reasons they're not, you're just saying "no they're not" because you refuse to see my side of reasoning. Pretty much classic strawman.
Yeah criticizing the vast majority of the characters in the movie (not all by example) and the power that sets apart dozens of the characters including the protagonist is really nitpicking.
Holy fucking shit you're retarded.
They don't alter midichlorians, midichlorians aren't the Force. They are micro-organisms they use to detect Force sensitivity.
The mysticism of the Force is not diluted by the inclusion of midichlorians.
>He said "why would the Trade federation have a whole robot army etc.."
Why would the East India trading company have a whole mercenary army (and conquer a fucking subcontinent)?
Plinkett is pretending to be retarded as usual and/or RLM are ignorant morons.
So you think the characters are stupid because "palpatine was spooky mysterious "i'm totally not the villain, oh wait I was the villain! bet you weren't expecting that!""
So you have a brain deficiency?
>inb4 George tries to shoot himself in the head because of TFA
>What kind of disastrously inept government is incapable of noticing that an entity within it has a standing army of size and strength capable of challenging the government?
Congratulations on finally identifying the entire point of the movie. And it only took you 17 years.
I think the weirder thing is that originally Hutt was a title or nickname Jabba had. Using the word Hutt as it's race name is weird in context. It would be like saying "Robert the Human".
Also, because jabba was a crime boss lord, suddenly ALL "Hutts" are crime lords.
>why would the Trade federation have a whole robot army etc.."
Nute doesn't like the prices of Kaminoan clones, Mandalorians doesn't like him because he's cheapskate, the Hutts also doesn't like him since he doesn't pay pre empire hutt tax and he's a competition.
>The galaxy is pretty much split in two in The Force Awakens.
This was also done in the Thrawn Trilogy as well. But difference is that it was handle way better and explained better than it was in TFA. in TFA, it was left very vaguely of the aftermath.
they managed to hold of millions of clone troopers and actually reach the damn capital of the republic
besides in 90% of everything clone wars related the republic is on the defence and getting royally pounded by the CIS because underdogs are popular
>Sheev was going to make the invasion legal if not for those meddling Jedi.
well good thing he instantly mindcontrolled everyone into thinking his plan was to become supreme chancellor when he lost right ?
face it anon it makes no sense, everything that happens in the prequels only serves to advance the plot , there is no logic behind it
what would sheev have gained from the trade federation forcing some one to sign a document to make the invasion legal (which is nonsensical by itself)
>everyone's in the dark about this
Except for that fact that they call it "Battle hardened Federation army".
Which implies they fought many battles before and everybody knows about it.
>reach the damn capital of the republic
It was just a desperate surprise attack. A failed one which cost them the whole fleet.
They didn't "reach" it, theyjust junped there out of Hyperspace.
We can assume they would have a protection force to protect against pirates and mobsters.
They would need droids to protect against shitty tribal forces. Something like an ewok band could not stand up to these forces. (I know I say that and the elite storm troopers lost to ewoks)
The large number of droids + intimidation would work. Also the trade fed is part of the galactic senate and there could be sectors that do not like the galactic senate.
>Trade Federation invades a Galactic planet, an illegal act
>the Senate has been inefficient for years thanks to incompetence, needless bureaucracy and corruption
>these combined cause the invasion to go unheeded by the Senate
>this causes dissatisfaction in the current supreme chancellor, Valorum
>causing Queen Amidala to throw a vote of no confidence against him
>Palpatine is an influential senator so he is nominated as a candidate for supreme chancellor
>condemns the actions of the Trade Federation, which causes the TF to resign from the Republic, eventually leading to the formation of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, with Sheev funding them in the shadows
>what would sheev have gained from the trade federation forcing some one to sign a document to make the invasion legal
Dissatisfaction in the current system of government employed by the Galactic Senate
>midichlorians are only described as mediators
Maybe in the EU.
In the prequels quigon specifically sets them as being completely and totally responsible for all force sensitivity.
Remember, the reason luke couldn't lift the x-wing out of the swamp wasn't because he didn't believe, but because he midichlorian count was low.
Also "do or do not, there is no try" means "have enough midichlorians or don't."