I wouldn't say -better- but it's gonna be more memorable than TFA in the long run. People are already having a hard time remembering what even happened in the movie and in the future whenever people talk about Star Wars the things that still will pop into their heads are the OT (which everyone remembers as THE Star Wars movies), the prequels which everyone will remember as (The movies we always make references to, but actually were worse than the OT) and the sequel at best maybe remember as "Oh right, they exist, too, don't they?"
>>64600085 >Mary sue (naturally gifted in mechanics, pilotry, the force) protagonist comes from desert planet >much of the plot centers of saving a female heroine >space battle at the end focuses on destroying an essential command station to neutralize the enemy forces >old mentor character is killed
Which movie am I describing? Now I don't want you spouting that bullshit that TPM was in any way more original again.
No it's not. Let's try and remember: - A terrible plot driven by politics that doesn't make any sense - Underdeveloped bad guys with no motivation whatsoever - Bland, uninteresting main characters with no arc - Jar Jar Binks - Terrible child actor - "Darth Maul," the character that undid everything cool about Darth Vader - The Sith are just evil Jedi (this is terrible fucking writing with no spark of creativity that squanders its potential) - Awful, drawn-out, overly choreographed fight scenes - Dreadful special effects used excessively
Ignoring plot holes, Phantom Menace doesn't work as a movie on the most elementary levels. Throw them in too and you have a diabolically bad movie. I put forward that to like this movie, you either had to watch it as a kid, or you're the sort of person who hardly watches movies and gave the OT a miss
>movie starts with jedi peacekeepers tasked with preventing war on trading planet on the behest of the Republic At the beginning, we get our heroes, we know who they are, where they are from, and what the main plot is. Deeper characterizations come later. >interact and team up with the diverse local lifeforms - delegates from specific socities, all going out on an planet-hopping adventure in the name of peace Overarching themes of pursuining unity and understanding across societal divides are introduced alongside a divere supporting cast that all have clear cut reasons for being present. >as the conflict builds, they are forced to abandon the main planet and seek help from the Republic Here, the inhabitants of the planet are being given their own heroes journey alongside the jedi by forcing them to go on the road from their home. As the jedi and the inhabitants interact further, they emphasize more and become invested in the conflict beyond it being only a mission. >on the way, they encounter a young hero who serves as the outsider character to which the mysterious inner workings of the jedi order are explained to. Backstories are shown implicitly. The jedi are characterized by their questioning of their upbringing and the jedi order, with Obi Wan being hesistant to train Anakin and Qui Gon being reluctant to heeding their commands - giving them unique personas within a greater scale. >The jedi heroes unite different societies behind their delegates and win the day through their moral righteousness and preserverance The throughline theme is carried out to a satisfying conclusions. >The young hero displays unnatural aptitude and is crucial to their victory, This teases future heroic developments and begin >along the way a secretive sith lord is pulling the strings behind the scenes of the movies conflict Efectively teasing the future installments without it bleeding in too deeply into the movie's singular plotline
>>64601095 >- A terrible plot driven by politics that doesn't make any sense that's how wars start though
>- Underdeveloped bad guys with no motivation whatsoever the reason is that sheev wants to bring the galaxy together under his command
>- Bland, uninteresting main characters with no arc You have to judge them in the trilogy
>- Jar Jar Binks eh can't argue with that, I doubt the sith thing was in lucas' mind back then, but I love that he becomes a senator lel
>- Terrible child actor yeah he wasn't that good, daisy isn't exactly a great actress though
>- "Darth Maul," the character that undid everything cool about Darth Vader if we're talking about coolness Maul was a lot cooler than vader
>- The Sith are just evil Jedi (this is terrible fucking writing with no spark of creativity that squanders its potential) that's what the Jedi say
>- Awful, drawn-out, overly choreographed fight scenes Definitely not awful (in episode I at least) think of it like this: the OT was inspired by old samurai movie, this one was inspired by modern martial arts films, maybe this might make it more bearable for you for some reason
>>64601334 I tried to write a companion post about TFA but I couldnt finish it.
The Force Awakens is such a hodgepodge of random characters encountering each other by complete chance, rallying around the pursuit of a macguffin that is never established as being important in any other context besides in general, and along the way being riddled with unoriginal ideas and imagery as this group singlehandedly saves the universe.
>>64601622 Luke is absolutely a Mary Sue. Oh, he's some random farmer who is pretty good it flying his atmospheric ship. Let's give him a fighter, because he somehow naturally knows spaceflight and combat maneuvers. And he can use the force to one-shot the Deathstar after having used it once previously. Not to mention the fact that he learns to force pull his lightsaber without any training (remember the wampa cave in ep. V?).
The only thing that makes Anakin not a typical Mary Sue is the downfall we all know is coming. He certainly is in The Phantom Menace. He's a prodigious pilot, a technological genius, and has midicholorians up the wazoo.
>>64602031 >becomes the best fighter pilot on very first flight Wrong >learns ways of the force with no training wrong >becomes legendary Jedi warrior After going through THREE movies of character development. A character that has development is not a Mary Sue
>>64602663 not really. podracing isn't like piloting a ship, it fails to establish Anakin as a pilot. a small child who says things like "i'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" and accidentally blows up a Trade Federation capital ship is retarded.
that Rey can pilot a ship is a trivial detail, she's obviously worked in them her whole life and it's plausible she's flown before and mentions that she has. the point is they get in the Falcon and leave Jakku.
i do think some characters deserved more background like Finn but i highly disagree that Anakin podracing somehow was a valuable use of time in TPM, a movie where the villain has 2 lines of dialogue and is promptly killed.
How in the hell is the podrace not important to the story?
It's literally Anakin battling selflessly to help these strangers he's never met - while, unknowingly, fighting for his own freedom. But, all the while, there's troubling subtext:
Fate chose his mother to be saved, but Quigon changed the outcome. Anakin's triumph unwittingly dooms his mother. Several people die in the race, and nobody cares because they're aliens. The protagonists' emphasis is on defeating the low-level thug Sebulba while the actual villain who runs the death races - Jabba - is ignored. This is one of several prequel scenes in which emphasis is placed on an audience being distracted by spectacle. Sandpeople take potshots from the margins, underlining that issue.
>>64602637 The common fallacies with the ad populum argument are that the majority referred to isnt actual majority, and that said majority doesnt have full knowledge of subject matter. Neither are applicable here. If majority likes something, maybe that something is actually good. >>64602646 >I dont agree, therefore its viral marketing >>64602669 Still higher than TPM on that site >>64602677 >waahh why wont you disagree with general opinion and be special and edgy like me
>>64602937 it's cute fanfiction but it's really reaching and giving George too much credit. it was done for the spectacle and all subtext was diminished. none of this was clearly communicated in the movie and nobody cared.
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