https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgr 0LK6HVYM >Samuel L J

IMO Yes. Next thread

>>64592563
TFA is mediocre trash.

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pahahahahaha

No. I like the slower, more raw strikes rather than the ballerina act of the prequels

More importantly, the story, setting and new characters weren't up to par in TFA

>>64592563
A Sith lord?

>>64592624

cuck detected

they were much cooler in the prequels, heck even the originals.

The Finn/Kylo fight was kind of interesting to watch

the Rey/Kylo fight was cringeworthy

>>64592563
Its one of the main things they did right, Jackson is a pleb

>>64592664
>it's a 'the prequels were better' memer

Stay cucked

>>64592563

>"I don't think so"

What did he mean by this?

>>64592563
sam jackson is a good actor but pretty much retarded

he was shilling that Kite live action movie which was the worst thing ever

>>64592624
Slow raw strikes get you killed in actual fight.

It was the best part of the movie.
Though that isn't saying much since the rest was so shit.

Sam literally came as close as he could to saying he thought the movie was shit.

>mace dindu is a force karate user
>tells others to get lightsaber training

>>64592717
Not as much as power ranger tier acrobatics

>>64592717

>t. Sword fighting expert

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>>64592563
Samuel L Hackson doesn't get to comment on Star Wars movies after his terrible turn in the prequels as Mace Windu; the biggest fucking asshole Jedi that ever lived.

Mace Dindu and his shitty attitude is pretty much solely responsible for turning Anakin to the darkside

Also, his acting was shit
>No HE is the traitor, AHHHH

>>64592691
>fight didn't develop through a variety of different sets
>they kept hitting each other for no visible damage, making lightsabers instantly less scary
>fights started and ended based on plot requirements instead of naturalistically

sure son they did a bang up job

Im not sure whether he meant the actors or the characters or both. They looked like kids on a playground swinging plastic swords from side to side. Either way I blame choreographers the most.

>>64592802

What the fuck even is this post

>>64592759
>b-but this is shit aswell!

Thats your argument ?

>>64592747

>Sam calls it shit
>Lucas calls it shit

DISNEYKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>64592802
Only person who got properly hit was Finn who was fucked up badly he ended up in a coma, in previous movies people lost limbs and could just carry on with their day after a cheap cyborg fix

>>64592563
Mace dingus is just mad because Lucas used him like a condom for a single film and trash him away. Even chewie was called back

>>64592782
>dindu

haha I browse /pol/ too dude

>>64592766
>autism

Compared to you ? Possibly

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>>64592563
At least TFA makes the original trilogy's lame lightsaber fights make sense. Everyone who could do flippy spinny shit either died, became a cyborg who never runs or retired to a swamp, and after the last three in the galaxy die everyone else is reduced to flailing at each other like Downs' syndrome patients because the knowledge is lost

>>64592869
it's a list of the tropes associated with lightsaber fights that the new movie ignored or fucked up. sorry if I taxed your mental abilities.

>>64592958
Back to the spice mines, Jamal.

>>64593035
It's a list of mentally retarded shit

>fights start and end by plot rather than naturalistically

The amount of stupid in that point alone astounds me

the flying space ninja battles of the prequels are a much more appropriate and natural form of combat for a weapon that has a totally weightless blade than the OT's space kendo. There's no use for slow strikes in a weapon that ltierally has no weight outside the grip

That being said, flying space ninjas aren't very interesting ot engaging.

This party's over

>>64593135
Nice refutation, friend.

>>64593179
>capitalization without punctuation iphone memester pls

>>64593182
I mean I don't know what else to say but insult you 2bh. I don't really want to be mean or anything but you're just really really dumb

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>>64592563
>Is he right
No

>>64592802
>implying any movie fight doesn't end based on plot requirements
>Kylo already took a bowcaster shot to the torso, dude is tough
>Not enough setpiece ohnoes
Kill yourself

>>64593217

I'm a deconstructionist neo-/tv/ poster and deliberately avoid punctuation

>>64593338
Yeah, and I name all my images 'image.jpg' for the lulz.

Nice try.

>expect debate about TFA's lightsaber combat compared to PT
>mindless thread of shitposting and "memes"

I don't know what I expected.

>>64592631
Kanji Klub?

>>64593387

I don't know how this is tautological

the most enjoyable thing about episode 7 was that they made the lightsaber fights more conservative.

here is what a sword fight in the late middle ages actually looked like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6VrmOQY1M

>>64592929
>single film

Try three films, idiot

I felt the fights in the prequels were too choreographed and artificial. They never tried to hit each other just each others lightsabers.

>>64592563
SLJ hates white people. He's just mad the nigger lost.

>>64593552
Then you're dumb.

Also, tautology has a negative connotation.

>>64593587
million times this

>>64593404

>flippy spinny shit

vs.

>old men poking each other kendo style

There isn't much substance to either fighting style.

>>64593607

You have a, negative, connotation

>>64593553
this is fucking awful

>>64593553
>trip

>>64593310
>nitpicking

No he's completely wrong actually.

Dumb ballerina bullshit doesn't belong in fucking Star Wars. It felt like wankery.

The TFA fights felt heavy, weighty, and violent, like a real fight would.

>>64592563
yes

>>64593635

>not liking jedi fights in their prime along with john williams in his prime

>>64592563

Well it makes sense that Jackson would bash the new kids lightsaber fighting considering his character was the greatest saber fighter in the history of the galaxy.

Jackson is aware of this, right? That his character is the absolute pinnacle of saber fighting and everyone else except a select few (who are all dead by the new movie) are just toddlers in comparison?

>>64593679
>like a real fight would.
>fantasy
dam ur dum

I actually really liked TPM's fight

there are some dumb parts but all in all I get the impression that they're trying to find a weak point against a Sith with a style they've never had to face

My favorites are the TPM final fight and the final duel at the end of RotJ

the end of RotS is compelling but a little drawn out and flashy

>>64593553
>here is what a sword fight in the late middle ages actually looked like

What brand of retard are you?
>tripfag
never mind

>>64592974
>autism? Compared to you, quite possibly.

What did he mean by this?

>>64593708

>musical composer falling out of his prime

It happens ill admit, but not to John Williams. TFA has plenty of incredible scores.

>>64592563
>le choreography face

>>64593553

You know lightsabers aren't big, heavy claymores, right?

Rey wouldn't have been able to lift it an inch off the ground if so

>>64593671
there's plenty of other instances,

>>64593714
Why would Jackson know about the EU?

>>64593733
I agree.
>inb4 'the (totally) phantom menace
It gets blown out by anon every single time.

>>64593037
back to your farm, hillbilly scum

>>64592563
>It's adventuresome, and you know, exciting...in a way.

>>64593679

>lightsaber
>heavy, weighty

where the fuck do you guys get this shit

even in RotJ, Luke just smashes his saber against Vader's quickly and repeatedly like a light stick until he's beaten down

It isn't a broadsword

>>64592563
He doesn't understand what makes a good lightsaber fight good. I think he's also salty he was in the shittiest movies.

>>64593725

Yeah, I'm sure in fantasy worlds they hold off on actually trying to kill each other and perform spinny, stylized, bullshit that would leave yourself wide open to death on a nearly constant basis.

>>64593772
You realize that large blades didn't weight like 50lbs right? A standard longsword is like 3lbs and a larger two hander would be like 6lbs. And you don't move like a slow lumbering idiot using them.

This is a slow motion demonstration even.

https://youtu.be/wkLJ08h7YPU?t=266

>>64593816

Just because a lightsaber isn't in itself, heavy, doesn't mean the combat can't be weighty. It's about the momentum the participant puts into his/her strikes.

I can't believe I have to explain basic physics to someone.

>>64593867
>off on actually trying to kill each other
1. The jedi aren't trying to kill Maul
2. They have premonitions of upcoming strikes, so it looks very elegant.

>>64593896

So how much "weight" do you think is behind a weightless saber, my friend?

>>64593922
I can't believe you think you have the high ground here.

>>64592563
I like the choreography of the prequels (Darth Maul fight is fucking amazing) but I prefer the weighted strikes in TFA, makes the lightsaber feel more powerful as a weapon and gives the fight an added sense of danger

>>64593922

Lumbering, slow strikes simply do not make any sense when speed is in your favor and momentum isn't

You aren't knocking someone on their ass with a strong, heavy sword strike, it's more like a fencer's rapier

>>64593922
Why would you need momentum in a blade that cuts anything?

>>64593925
I was talking about
>Rey wouldn't have been able to lift it an inch off the ground if so

Which is dumb retarded bullshit spewed by a person who don't know anything

>>64593750
>TFA has plenty of incredible scores

show me duel of fates

>>64593787
>why would Jackson know about the EU?

The what? It's prequel cannon. He bests Sheev in a saber fight, Sheev, the guy who beats yoda, the guy who is too powerful for Anakin or obi wan.

Jacksons character is the best saber fighter.

>>64593968
>(Darth Maul fight is fucking amazing)

>inb4 the (totally) phantom menace
It gets debunked EVERY time.

>>64594000

I was going by the video that I was responding to faggot. I'm aware there are lighter blades but the ones he showed were obviously heavy. I don't think a twig of a girl is going to be able to raise that over her head in any effective amount of time.

Fuck off

Rey and Finn were both untrained.

Kylo had no excuse.

>>64594030
Sheev let him win tho

>>64592802
The ANH fight doesn't really meet your criteria either

>>64593972

>Lumbering, slow strikes

Since when is putting momentum into your swing lumbering and slow?

>>64594057
No you idiot, it was just shitty acting where they swung so heavy with blades that don't actually weigh much. Those blades weight even less than a zweihander, it's just crap choreography.

>>64594069
That one is commonly known to be shit.

>>64594093

I hope you aren't the guy who was memeing about physics. Guess how much momentum you can charge up on a weightless object?

>>64593553
This shit in the video is miles better than the TFA fight. Variation of different techniques, use of enviroment, trading of blows, everything.

TFA fight was the worst fight scene I've seen in a decade. No only they were just flailing from side to side, but the worst thing is, it was always one sided borefest.

Fight starts
Kylo is kicking Rey's ass, he has clear upper hand, she cant do shit.
20 seconds of meditation
Rey is kicking Kylo's ass, she has clear upper hand, Kylo cant do shit.
The end.

There was nothing exciting, no back and forth, no trading of blows.

BORING

>>64592563
Yes

>>64594011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk

It's not as good as duel of fates, but that's literally the best score in all of the movies so I'm not too mad about it.

>>64593679
>heavy, weighty, and violent, like a real fight would
>plasma swords are realistic
>in a setting with faster than light travel

I hate these Star Wars fans. The only reason why OT fights were slow were because the props kept breaking. Everyone wanted to go faster but the technology didn't allow it.

>>64592563
>TFA brings back drama and tension to lightsaber fights
>they actually mean something in terms of the story and dynamics between characters
>the prequels are basically just the sword fighting equivalent of kids going pew pew pew at each other

Only fucking children and autistics could possibly seriously think the prequels fights were better. They were the best thing in those movies sure, but that's not hard when everything else is such a rancid turd. It's exactly how the kung fu was the best shit in the matrix movies. Flashy and kind of cool but doesn't really mean shit at the end of the day.

>>64594135
It's the only one that is canon and matters, though

>>64594107

A 6 lb. blade with torque factored in is still going to be hard to manage for a girl

Lightsabers aren't conventional blades

>>64594067

NO HE DIDN'T FUCK YOU FAGGOTS WITH YOUR EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO PLAN BULLSHIT HE FUCKING LOST AND WAS SAVED BY SPACE JESUS FUCK YOU SAM JACKSON HAD THAT FUCKER BY THE BALLS

>>64593679
>autism

>>64594151

You're right, the lightsaber moves on it's own. It's not like it's attached to your weighted hand, arm, and body making you one object with it's own momentum based on how hard you swing.

>>64592707
>>"I don't think so"
>
>What did he mean by this?

Hahaha, how must it feel to have your most memorable line in a franchise spanning over three films being "I don't think so"

>>64594181

This is a ripoff of the federation theme you idiot

objectively mediocre

>>64594220
There are plenty of women in longsword tournaments, they certainly don't have any problems lifting them off the ground or swinging them. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

>>64594189

There's a difference between quick and violent, and quick and stylized wankery in a movie that it doesn't feel right in. The prequels were firmly in the second camp.

Go, prequel apologists are the fucking worst.

>>64594238

It cuts through anything but another saber. There is literally no point to trying to fruitlessly apply more force than necessary and given physical constraints it won't amount to much anyway.

Moving quickly is 100% the better option to trying to swing, and a slow swing just doesn't make any sense

look at how fast pitchers can swing their arm moving a 2 lb. object

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>sheev would be spinning in his grave

>>64594309

I'm pretty sure women on average are half as strong as men in the upper body

not really a big secret

>>64594378

haha, good one anon!

>>64594380
Yes but you don't have to be strong to hold or swing a sword. It helps in the long run but it's not as hard as you make it out to be.

>>64594356

>There is literally no point to trying to fruitlessly apply more force than necessary

Luke violently knocked Vader to the ground in RotJ by mercilessly and violently applying huge amounts of momentum to his strikes. Are you telling me the chance of knocking someone off balance and causing them to open up wouldn't be useful?

Christ, you're an idiot.

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>>64592802
What am I reading here?

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>>64594378

>>64594451

Did you notice how fast he was striking?

It wasn't your "muh weighty, slow strikes" from TFA, fucktard

>>64592902
In discussing which one is better? Yes, obviously.

>>64594498

>Did you notice how fast he was striking?

Yes, and it was violent and heavy strikes. Not some fairy boy, kung fu, unnecessarily stylized bullshit from the prequels. Just raw force and anger. It's glorious.

>>64594329
>prequel apologists
This word doesn't even make sense. Are you deliberately trying to avoid an argument? Stop talking in memes.

>>64592563
Disney fucked with Hateful 8 distribution. that's his way of getting back at them without annoying the top jews to much

>>64594685

buzzwords. they learn from tumblr, do these reddit tourists

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>>64593679
>>64593725
>>64593867
>>64593816
>>64593922
>>64593972
>>64594093
>>64594151
>>64594238
>>64594356
>>64594451
>>64594498
>>64593923
>>64593925
>>64594000
>>64594057
>>64594107
>>64594220
>>64594309
>>64594380
>>64594440
autism, reddit, meme

>>64594685

prequel apologist:

Someone on 4chan who argues that the prequels "weren't that bad" out of nothing but a purely contrarian perspective from the popular culture in an attempt to appear more knowledgeable than said culture. In the end, these people are not as knowledgeable as they claim, and in reality are bitter fedoras who cling to anything which allows them to feel superior to the culture at large which has generally accepted TFA.

There you go.

>think /v/ liking the prequels now was a meme
>slowly realizing some of these people ACTUALLY feel that way

we've gone full /v/ of shit taste

Why did Kylo spin his light saber so much?

Am i the only one who noticed that shit?

>>64594790
Compelling argument.

>>64594873
It's a good trick

>>64594848

Forgive me, I value creativity over all else

Seeing how utterly devoid of creative merit TFA was finally allowed reality to dawn on me, for all of the shit the prequels had they still felt like "new" Star Wars

If you like rehashy, iterative capeshit that's you

>>64592629
leagues ahead of the prequels tho

>>64594908
Nail on the head.

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>>64592563
I don't think so. TFA did many things wrong and wasn't that good, but the lightsaber-battles were nice imo.

>>64592563
I don't think he understands or wants to admit that:
-his character didn't really have a character
-his character's purple lightsaber and his fights were in place of an actual character
-lightsaber fights are supposed to be about the conflicting characters instead of a spectacle duel
-actual lightsabers would be heavy chunks of metal emitting a 2ft beam of plasma instead of a plastic prop
-lightsaber fights being overly choreographed would seem more like a video game instead of a real duel between warriors and would lack emotions and humanity

If he knew/admitted any of these he would like the TFA fights more than the prequels

>>64594908
>Forgive me
no

>>64594908
>different automatically equals good
prequelbabies everyone

>>64594927
(You)

>>64594947
>heavy
>le posting in thread he hasn't read faec

>>64594965

It's treason, then

>>64594968

If that's how you read that then I'd say you fit the mold for the new "turn your brain off" generation

>>64594908

>I value creativity

Except in where it actually matters, like characters, and emotional impact.

>>64593310
It's me or his right hand is not holding the light saber while he turn? LeL

>>64594968
No, but extreme similarity automatically equals bad.

>>64592920
>so new he thinks "kek" is actually the correct term

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>>64595006

>If that's how you read that then I'd say you fit the mold for the new "turn your brain off" generation

I can smell the Cheetos on your neckbeard through this post.

>>64594898
>REDDIT SPOTTED

>>64595066
>ad hominem
loving every laugh

>>64594908

>Forgive me, I value creativity over all else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzZOgLH4KU

>>64595066

I must have done something right, you're already to the fedora posting

>>64595114
OOO DE WAY DA CHICK CHICK OO AAAAA YEAAHHHHHH BEEE

>>64595114

>that thumbnail

every fucking time

>>64595114
>moving the goalposts
That's ain't from the PT, bud.

>>64592920
>DISNEYKEKS
fucking christ get it right you faggot

What lightsaber fight? There was no jedi lightsaber fight in TFA. Morpheus should go back to cucking tarantula

>>64595180

Basically a bunch of untrained kids being retarded in the forest

summarizes the Nu Wars fanbase

>>64595065
test DISNEYKEKS

i though tthere was a filter

>>64594938
They were, until the retarded force mary sue powerup

But that was fights between weak noobs (except Ren who was playing with them) who didn't have any idea how to fight

IMO it makes perfect sense that a jedi well versed in the use of the force would start doing fancy moves, attack faster, spin all over the place

>>64595395

Except, Kylo Ren should know how to fight

He was trained by Luke and Snoke and fucked over Luke's entire batch of trainees

>>64595205
get out /mu/, you're worse than /v/

>>64593553
But this is much better choreographed and more interesting than that shitty TFA fight.

The TFA fights actually looked like sword fights, not fucking faggy CGI flip-twirl dicksucking.

I suppose if you have ADHD, you might prefer the prequels. Or if you're retarded.

>>64595395

Constant movement does more than people think

It doesn't give your opponent time to gauge your position or movement and allows for you to work in a quick strike while they're confused

I love the martial art aspect of saber fighting in the PT, they're knights after all and they follow a creed

>>64595454
>suppose if you have ADHD, you might prefer the prequels.
The prequel fights are longer. Meme harder.

>>64595020
its a yo-yo saber

>>64595429
Yeah I agree, the fight made sense until rey powered up and beat him, when it should have went exactly like Ren vs Finn, as in
>ren plays with finn, burning his shoulder etc
>finn gets a lucky strike in
>instantly disarmed and condamned to a wheelchair
>[retarded passage where Rey beats Ren at the force]
>ren playing with rey, she's retreating through the entire fight
>saber lock, he tells her about the force something something
>he slices her arm off and she falls into the pit

>>64595454

Or if you're a child.

>>64595395
>IMO it makes perfect sense that a jedi well versed in the use of the force would start doing fancy moves, attack faster, spin all over the place
That's fine, but the problem is that in the prequels, that's ALL they do. There's no substance to the moves, they just look flashy. Look at Obi-Wan after Qui-Gon dies. He lets out a big NO and it looks like he's gonna lose it on Darth Maul - an understandable reaction to seeing his master die - but instead, he just goes back to doing cirque du soleil flippy shit. It's like Qui-Gon's death doesn't even matter.

Compare this to Luke in RotJ. At first, he's all form and grace, perfectly controlled against Vader. But then Vader threatens Leia and Luke loses his fucking mind, becoming a rage beast, progressively losing all technique, just swinging wildly while Vader backs off, getting more desperate, until Luke is literally just pounding at Vader on the ground. You understand the emotions of the fight through the fighters' actions. For telling a story, RotJ is unquestionably a better fight. For doing an exhibition of rehearsed dance-fighting, I guess you might want the prequel fights.

>>64594947
Irrelevant
Irrelevant
Opinions
Irrelevant
Opinions

>>64592958
Mace Dindu is a nice name, go back to reddit you KEK.

>>64595613
>an understandable reaction to seeing his master die - but instead, he just goes back to doing cirque du soleil flippy shit.
No?
He fights noticeably more angrily.

>>64595668
It is not tangibly different from his moves in the beginning of the fight, unlike Luke, who is so blinded by rage that he's cutting apart the scenery.

>>64595613
You're an idiot. The first thing Obi Wan does after the force field lowers and he can fight Maul again is a furious jumping strike.

>>64595693
Are you retarded?
Luke is some who lived his whole childhood without knowing about the force.
Obi has been trained to control his emotions almost from birth.

>>64595613
Yes, the fight were lacking, but I'll stay on my opinion that they had the good formula, it just needed more flashy (but logical) force usage (hello force speed never being used again) and better choregraphy

>>64595741
>Obi has been trained to control his emotions almost from birth.
So Qui-Gon's death literally doesn't matter to him. Great.

>>64595039
I agree with you, but people claiming the prequels were better than TFA simply because they had more original ideas in them is a farce. Originality in no way counterbalances the amount of bad in the prequel films.
TFA played it very safe, went with a pretty simple story that people would generally like because they've seen it before for the most part, and in the end while playing it safe was probably a good idea for the first Star Wars movie since the prequels, they went too safe
All that being said, they need to seriously up the originality in the next movie

>>64594841
>pulling shit out of no where

Fuck you

>>64593968
>but I prefer the weighted strikes in TFA, makes the lightsaber feel more powerful as a weapon and gives the fight an added sense of danger

Well, too fucking bad that now you can be hit with a lightsaber 4-5 times in one fight, including a strike that cuts a flap of your coat clean off, and not even lose a limb.

>>64595730
meant for
>>64595693

>>64595804

Ahh, did it hit too close to home honey?

>>64595771
No, it clearly did. Meme harder.

>>64594451
>Luke violently knocked Vader to the ground in RotJ by mercilessly and violently applying huge amounts of momentum to his strikes. Are you telling me the chance of knocking someone off balance and causing them to open up wouldn't be useful?

Not as useful as instakilling your opponent with a flick of your wrist which is too fast to dodge and can't be parried because you've just swung your weapon in a wide arc like a fucking retard.

Luke had the advantage of Vader wanting to keep him alive throughout the entire fight.

>>64595613
Trouble is with all the flippy stuff is the strikes never seem to be accurately aimed at the opponent, unless the plot dictates it is a killing blow, then it will be on target. It becomes too choreographed and takes you out of the scene because it's not a believable representation of two people trying to stab or cut each other

>>64595730
But then it's immediately back to dance-fighting. Guess he just shrugged off the death of his master in one second.

Know what would've been cool? Obi-Wan loses control, but that's what Maul wants, so even though Obi-Wan has a rageout, without his Jedi control, Maul just makes a fool of him, until he remembers that Qui-Gon wouldn't have wanted Obi-Wan to avenge him, but instead would've wanted him to keep to the Jedi way and overcomes Maul like that.

Too bad we never see anything like that in the prequels.

I honestly can't understand people that think TFA had better fights than the prequels

>muh emotions
>muh realism
>doesn't matter if it isn't interesting or exciting, if there's no buildup or release of tension, if the strikes all look the fucking same

Do you watch films like the Raid and go "this is shit, I can't see the emotions in his fighting. Man, why does he keep doing all that stupid martial arts shit, that's so fake."

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>>64595862
>lol u mad bro?

>>64595875
But you just said it didn't: >>64595741

So which is it, anon? Did Qui-Gon's death affect Obi-Wan, or was his training so good that it didn't affect him?

>>64595959

>prequel apologists bash TFA as "capeshit", yet unironically defend the most capeshit of all capeshit in the prequels, the lightsaber fights

>>64595959
>using muh to discredit
retard

>>64595971

Well, since you have no rebuttal, and are just going to act butthurt, then I win.

Thanks for that.

>>64595959
But all the strikes look the fucking same in the prequels. Every single fight in the prequels is like this
>slashy slashy slashy
>someone wins out of nowhere

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>>64596029
>I win
I hope you choke on your iced latte in star bucks bitch

>>64596146
>using reddit as a rebuttal
now we really know you lost

>>64595959
>Do you watch films like the Raid and go "this is shit, I can't see the emotions in his fighting.
This has to be bait, because you clearly can see the emotions in fights in The Raid

>>64595976
I said the reason why you observed that he only still fought Maul with control was because of his Jedi training.
He screamed and got angry and jumpy when Qui-Gon got stabbed, but he mostly controlled it.
His fighting was obviously more aggressive after Qui-Gon's death though.

Please learn to read.

>>64592563
He's right. What's funny is that Mace Windu's lightsaber abilities are less flashy so you can't use the ballerina argument against him.

>>64596082
>Finn vs Kylo Ren
>slashy slashy slashy
>burn shoulder
>Finn gets a hit in out of nowhere
>fight ends

>Rey vs Kylo Ren
>slashy stabby slashy stabby
>absurdly long blade lock
>slashy slashy slashy slashy
>fight ends

>>64596189
>I said the reason why you observed that he only still fought Maul with control was because of his Jedi training.
So it didn't tangibly affect him.

>He screamed and got angry and jumpy when Qui-Gon got stabbed, but he mostly controlled it.
He goes right back to dance-fighting immediately after.

>His fighting was obviously more aggressive after Qui-Gon's death though.

Nope.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance and you're dumb IRL

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>>64596165
>we

>>64595613
>He lets out a big NO and it looks like he's gonna lose it on Darth Maul - an understandable reaction to seeing his master die - but instead, he just goes back to doing cirque du soleil flippy shit.

(1)Maybe you should actually fucking watch that part of the fight fight. More fury than in the entire OT sequence of lightsaber fights combined.

(2)The only thing that getting angry to the point of entirely forgetting your techniques can possibly accomplish is to make it easy for your opponent to kill you. Perhaps when you fight in full plate armor and most blows get tanked getting so pumped on adrenaline that you don't even register shock and pain can allow you to hammer down your opponent. But the lightsaber fights are the exact opposite.

>But then Vader threatens Leia and Luke loses his fucking mind, becoming a rage beast, progressively losing all technique, just swinging wildly while Vader backs off, getting more desperate, until Luke is literally just pounding at Vader on the ground.

Which only works because throughout the entire fight Vader wants to turn Luke, not kill him, and if he ever tries to fight seriously, he does so only when it is too late, so Luke's inability to control himself does not result in an instant lightsaber through the heart, as it should have in a fight to death.

>For telling a story, RotJ is unquestionably a better fight.

It's not. These two fights simply tell completely different stories.

>>64596188
>desperation
>anger

All of that can be seen in the PT too.

>>64596197
Still a more complex narrative than the prequel fight.

>>64596000
>well-crafted fights are more capeshit than literal marvel-tier humor and cinematography

wow

>>64592629
man you must have hated the prequels

>>64596226
>ad hominem
I win this round.

>>64596239
t-b-h I'm not bothered about arguing the point of TFA being better or not for emotions in fights, was just saying that particular comparison you used wasn't very good to illustrate your point, if it was genuine.

>>64592610

what the fuck is around his neck?

>>64596262
'no'

>>64596279
trigggered

>>64596279
(you)

>>64596234
>(1)Maybe you should actually fucking watch that part of the fight fight. More fury than in the entire OT sequence of lightsaber fights combined.

Laughable. It's Cirque du Soleil with glowsticks.

>(2)The only thing that getting angry to the point of entirely forgetting your techniques can possibly accomplish is to make it easy for your opponent to kill you. Perhaps when you fight in full plate armor and most blows get tanked getting so pumped on adrenaline that you don't even register shock and pain can allow you to hammer down your opponent. But the lightsaber fights are the exact opposite.
Not in Star Wars. Rage is powerful. That's the point of RotJ's final fight.

>Which only works because throughout the entire fight Vader wants to turn Luke, not kill him, and if he ever tries to fight seriously, he does so only when it is too late, so Luke's inability to control himself does not result in an instant lightsaber through the heart, as it should have in a fight to death.

Luke is able to dominate Vader with rage because rage channels the dark side. But it doesn't make him right, which he realizes after he severs Vader's hand. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the most basic things about star wars.

>It's not. These two fights simply tell completely different stories.

In that RotJ is telling a story and Phantom Menace isn't telling a story at all, yes.

>>64596318
He's in a stormtrooper suit.

>>64595020

fuck i can't unsee

>>64592563
Samuel Jackson is like the black version of /pol/ he's always right.

>>64596334
Don't you mean NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?

>>64596343
You're irrationally angry. This kind of pitiful. I blew you out, so you rag on this guy.

>>64596082
>slashy slashy slashy
>someone wins out of nowhere

That would have been realistic. Watch some fencing tournaments. It is sometimes difficult to even notice who scores a hit when. Except with lightsabers all these lightning-fast hits would have resulted in fatal wounds.

But that's not how prequels fight were. The only ones fitting your description are Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Dooku.

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>>64596290
>fallacy fallacy

>>64596380
NOOOOOOOO I don't .^)

>>64596399
Nice headcanon.

>>64596271

>"""""""""""""well-crafted"""""""""" """"""""""fights"""""""""""

>>64596415
>gets called out for a fallacy
>pulls a "no u"
ok bud

>>64596447
gud 1

>>64596262
Wrong

>maul
>slashy slashy slashy
>flippy flippy
>kicky kicky
>obi wan knocked off a ledge
>qui gon backhands maul
>fight switches vertical level
>slashy slashy slashy
>hilt bash stab
>more aggresssive slashy slashy slashy
>twinsaber cut in half, flippy flippy over prone maul
>force pushy
>flippy flippy

Obi Wan vs Anakin
>flippy slashy slashy kicky slashy
>physical grappling, brief but intense blade lock
>chokey chokey kicky kicky drop kick kicky
>twirly twirly blade lock force push lock
>balancy balancy slashy
>drop, slashy punchy grapple slashy
>lava
>fighting on falling debris
>swingy slashy swingy
>escape from lava fall
>slashy slashy on hovering items

Also if you can't see the emotions in the latter fight you might be autistic.

>>64596343
>Laughable. It's Cirque du Soleil with glowsticks.

Repeating a wrong statement does not make it right.

>Not in Star Wars. Rage is powerful. That's the point of RotJ's final fight.

No. It's like you haven't even fucking watched it. Rage is a Dark Side trap. The most it can do is to give a surprise advantage against an opponent who is trying to keep you alive. It does not work against Maul. It does not work against Obi-Wan.

>>64595020

He wasn't holding it shortly after that scene though

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>>64596558

>someone actually typed this post out

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>>64596029
>internet argument
>"I win"

>>64594908
You're not alone, anon.

>>64596653

It's creativity, except in story telling, characters, and emotional impact.

You know, the most important parts of a movie.

>>64596615
>retard with his dying breath
sad 4 you 2bh

>>64596681
deja vu

please stop repeating posts

>>64596681

A mixed bag attempt >>> a safe, clean forgery

>>64596615

Nice refutement

mace dindu

>>64596731
wow problematic opinion

>>64596681
>TFA

It's well-crafted, except in pacing, cinematography, music, choreography, character development, set design, and dialogue.

You know, everything that makes a movie good.

>>64595454
>The TFA fights actually looked like sword fights

to people who have never actually seen a fucking sword fight.

kill yourself.

>>64596771
>It's well-crafted, except in pacing, cinematography, music, choreography, character development, set design, and dialogue.
NONE of that is true though.

>>64596771

>It's well-crafted, except in pacing, cinematography, music, choreography, character development, set design, and dialogue.

Prequel apologist delusion everyone.

>>64596800
All of that is true

>>64596800
>tips

>>64596771

>cinematography

Yeah, people talking while sitting in chairs with two camera views. 10/10 cinematography.

>>64596029
>I win

sure you did, elliot

>>64595114
Jesus this was terrible

>>64596815
>>64596800
>pacing
>WOW the entire fucking kanjiklub scene
>cinematography
>WOW dutch angles to represent unease WOW helicopter panning shot WOW hyperactive camera close-ups
>music
>WOW Force theme played 500 times WOW generic kylo ren brass fanfare
>choreography
>WOW slashing at each other until the director says something needs to happen WOW 30 second blade locks
>character development
>WOW finn goes from defecting because he doesn't want to kill to whooping as he kills his comrades WOW han solo magically reverts to how he was in ANH WOW rey gets everything handed to her
>set design
>WOW tatooine 2.0 WOW hoth 2.0 WOW yavin 2.0 WOW boring evil base WOW island that is obviously a real life location
>dialogue
>WOW "so who talks first" WOW "you got a cute boyfriend" WOW "leader snoke is wise" WOW "trash compactor?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc

We could of had this

>>64596815
>deflection

TFA apologist delusion everyone.

>>64596973

>WOW island that is obviously a real life location

really? this is now a criticism? does someone have to post that fucking hallway or dexter jettster's diner?

>>64592563

>Exciting in a way... umm

HAHAHA REDDITFAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT, HE HATES THAT SHIT, BASED BBC COCK

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>TFA cinematography

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Is /tv/ the most pathetic userbase on 4chan? The contrarian mental gymnastics regarding Star Wars: TFA is incredible and at the same time absolutely loathsome.

The constant denial, backtracking and moving the goalposts.

>"TFA will be shit! Fucking Jew Jew Abrams, fucking nigger main character, fucking SJWs! People won't accept this! It will be worse than the prequels and a total flop!"
>Trailer drops. Record pre-sales, screenings booked out months in advance. Hype incredibly high.
>"I-it'll still be a flop! Guaranteed to be shit! Phantom Menace sold well too before people realised it was shit! N-nigger character!"
>TFA releases. 5 star reviews, record opening day. People love based Johnny B's performance, and he's very well received.
>"o-ok it might not be as bad as we thought, but it's still not going to beat Jurassic World! Disney are finished!"
>Beats Jurassic World, despite being released in off-season and no Chinese release.
>"J-just wait until based RLM eviscerates it for being A New Hope ripoff in a Mr Plinkett review! You'll f-fucking see then Starfags!"
>Mike loves it. RLM approve and think it has saved the Star Wars franchise from the prequels.
>"FUCKING SHIT FILM, MARY SUE JEW SHIT. PREQUEL LOVE THREAD. WHO FUCKING LOVES ATTACK OF THE CLONES? I DO. REVENGE OF THE SITH WAS BETTER THAN ROTJ. BASED GEORGE LUCAS. WELL AT LEAST TFA WON'T BEAT AVATAR


The mouthbreathing basement dwellers who strive to be contrarian have been backed into a corner really, they started so verbose. So confident that the film would be a flop, not break any records and would be panned by critics. Slowly as TFA has BTFO them on every conceivable level, they've been reduced to adopting some bizarre cult-like contrarian attitude to the prequels, proclaiming them as underrated gems, and trying to push some kind of narrative where if TFA doesn't beat Avatar, it's somehow failed, despite already being a record breaking movie and saving Star Wars.

>>64597057
I was in thread

>>64597057
>Is /tv/ the most pathetic userbase on 4chan?
Yes, after /b/

>>64597057

10/10 post. (Even if it's pasta, I dunno)

>>64597057
>Is /tv/ the most pathetic userbase on 4chan?
behind /pol/, yes

>>64597057
>look mom, i posted it again!

>>64592563
What a hack.

>no crazy flips
>people actually get hurt
>tension

BONUS:Mace Windu was genuinely the most boring characters ever created

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>>64597186
I know right

>>64592563
Too bad that the acting, story, pacing, direction, visual effects, casting, fight choreography, and just about everything else was way off par in the prequels.

But hey, at least we got Duel of the Fates, amirite?

>>64596343
>In that RotJ is telling a story and Phantom Menace isn't telling a story at all, yes.

I disagree with that. The Maul fight is supposed to be the first encounter with the shadowy presence behind everything that's happened(The phantom menace itself) and as such Maul pulls out a crazy lightsaber we'd never seen before, looks weird and unsettling, and says nothing the entire fight.

You can say it was too long and flashy but it definitely was telling part of the story. AoTC and RotS do have some pointless duels that are just there to be flashy, particularly Yoda's.

>>64592563
>Liking prequel anime fight style better than TFA fight stile

fucking plebs

>>64597225
truth hurts senpai

>>64597301

>shadowy presence behind everything that's happened

Behind what? Maul doesn't even do anything in the movie and just shows up in that room and a fight ensues.

>>64592563
>tfw there were no wipeouts in TFA

Just wanted some people getting wiped out, man..

>>64597186
reddit pls go

>>64597419
>2016
>still using the reddit meme
shiggy diggy

>>64596558
>>64596973
tfa haters are the most autistic people i've ever seen

they don't know how to just enjoy a movie

>>64597515
>Just turn off your brain bro!

>>64597515
TURN IT OFF
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The only way TFA will seem good is in retrospect if/when Ben comes back to the light, and Rey is tempted by the dark and becomes Snokes right hand.

>>64593553
A claymore is a heavy concussion weapon and a lightsaber is a weightless touch weapon wielded by space wizards who can use their magic to increase their agility.

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>>64597515

>>64597672
It's like a /tv/ shitposting checklist

>>64597734
*It's correct

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>>64597057

You JUST know this hits a little too close for some fags here

>>64595395
That's the thing that the TFA duel defenders don't understand. It's not going to look like a sword fight between armored knights from the dark ages because the people fighting are supposed to be space wizards using their magic to perform super human feats of speed, agility, and precognition. A weakness of the prequel duels is that many of the strikes were flashy without purpose, but the fix is not to remove the space magic, it's to make the strikes more logically placed.

>>64597644
No that would be retarded. Stop forcing this meme. The only thing worse than a mary sue would be a mary sue that turns evil and an evil guy that killed his dad getting his angel wings. Fuck off you literal teenager.

>>64597734
it's 100% accurate

AIR TIGHT

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Not enough anime choreography

>>64598025
>defending mary sue

"b-but im not"

deriding the only possible interesting arc her character could have is just as bad

>>64598073
his surprised face.
the way he's falling from the chair.
everytime.

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>>64597057
daily reminder

>>64592717
No? Methodical strikes without so much pirouetting is the best way to sword fight. It is the most accurate as well. [Fast forward to the 5 minute mark. The beginning is pretty Wrestlemania ridiculous, yeah?]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3yvOkooYA

These are modern professional fighters that fight with live steel [notice increasing dents in the armor as the video goes along]. It just isn't that effective to use all those ballerina techniques shown in the prequels.

If they were wanting to mimic a samurai fight, then it would be even shorter. Most sword fights between samurai ended in maybe 3 exchanged/countered blows at the most.

>>64597993
Then why did they pull it off just fine in the OT?

Some of the stuff is excessive.

Eastern warriors use swords that are much lighter than western swords like claymores, yet you don't see them dancing around like a fool.

If anything, there should be more Force battles. Yoda should have been using objects in the room and other Force attacks during AOTC, not his lightsabre. Perfect counter to his former student, who relies heavily on a lightsaber form that is meant to counter other lightsabers.

Notice that Dooku is supposed to be one of the better duelists and he adopts a slower, flowing fencing style. One handed, and he stays on the ground mostly.

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>>64595020
>>64595556
>>64596357
>>64596598
look closely. it's his sleeve senpai

>>64596357
>>64598405

There's surely a wookieepedia page on this unique technique

>>64598107
It wouldn't be interesting because there is no fucking way it could be executed convincingly. It would be a fucking train wreck. Even if it turns out Rey's parents were the greatest sith lords ever, that would contradict the first movie and therefor be shit. And it's not the only possible interesting arc. It's the only ark you could think of because it's gimmicky.

>>64598073

Why is Sheev so based?

>>64598393

>Then why did they pull it off just fine in the OT?

They didn't. Unless I was supposed to be laughing during all of the fights, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case.

>>64598393

Problem was that Lucas had always wanted Yoda to use a lightsaber.

>>64598550
And I was laughing at the prequels, in which the fights can best be compared to a fight in Bleach.

Even over the top anime like Kenshin has better fights that are less ridiculous.

>>64598393
>pull it off just fine in the OT

Because there wasn't any duel between masters like say, Yoda vs Sheev which should have torn the whole senate down

>>64598681
Why? His OT stuff was all about using the Force to manipulate the environment.

It would have been pottery. As I said before Dooku was considered to be among the best with lightsaber dueling. As Yoda's former student, wouldn't it have been better if Yoda never used his lightsaber?

>>64593001
No one has trained to do flippy shit in like 59 years.

HAHAHAHA

Man. This thread's been burned, by me.

I've got over 35 replies over 25 separate posts this thread, I've literally trolled everyone. How do you feel?

>>64598782

I felt Yoda's force battle with Dooku was pretty shit so yeah I guess I wouldn't have minded if Yoda had never drawn his lightsaber.

Yes. Good ol Sam is right on the money.

Fuck TFA.

>>64598263
They aren't trying to kill each other, just score points to win the match. Try again faggot

>>64592563

Of Course

if tfa wasn't up to par I can only imagine what he thought about a new hope

>>64599764
So do you watch sports where they routinely try to kill each other?

If a professional MMA or boxer wanted to kill you with their fists and legs, I'm sure they could. But they don't. The technique is similar.

Medieval tournaments did not consist solely of jousting. There was also sparring. Sometimes people would die in accidents, but the point was to gain points on your opponent. The technique is the same, you just have certain moves you cannot do and certain points you can not aim at.

It is really easy to kill an American football player by grabbing his face mask and yanking him to the ground. You can stop him from carrying the ball that way, and a smaller person can grab the helmet and still bring him to the ground. But it isn't allowed, and is penalized for the potential to cause serious injury.

He's right you know

>>64592563
No, he is a fucking idiot.

>>64592563
The fights in tfa were absolutely dogshitt.

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>>64595114
They still kept the titty slip at 1:23

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>>64593553
Who gives a fuck about the Middle Ages, you stupid tripfag retard.

>>64593671
Is "nitpicking" the buzzword prequelfags use to defend all the shit in those movies?

When 97% of a movie is shit worthy of "nitpicking," it doesn't matter if they're small or large details, the movie is still 97% complete shit.

>>64592705
In sword fights the prequels shit on the originals, saying otherwise is retarded

>>64602661

Lucas was literally just listening to the fans, they liked the saber fights from the OT and wanted to see them ramped up a notch