REMEMBER THE ROCINANTE edition
I haven't seen episode 5 yet. Is it good as the earlier episodes?
I fear that the Expanse, like other Syfy shows, runs the risk of taking a decent premise and crashing and burning in a pile of shit.
well they somewhat messed up 1 and 2, which is a shame, but luckily they got back on track with 3 through 5.
I somewhat wish they'd done a better job with the initial episodes as this will most likely turn people off and scifi television as a whole could really use something good right now.
Just watched episode 5.
Actually nice little bottle episode to save cash after spending a ton for 3 and 4. They did Anderson station nicely and it going to be curious on how they move some of the plot forward.
That said, they did a lot of name dropping for
they have 4 episodes to do Eros, Troth station, the dead space, Getting the Rocinante refitted, and finding Mao (Twice)Curious how they are going to make it work.
True, and that would make more sense pace wise.
episode 6 - Rocinante crew deal with fred, Miller gets OPAed
Episode 7 - miller gets fired for following Julie instead of getting the near cop killer , Crew looks for the Anubis
Episode 8 - Annubis, earth stuff
Episode 9 - Rocinante heads to Eros, Miller heads to Eros to follow julie case.
Episode 10 - Holden miller meet, Earth Mars goes to war, last scene is Julie going into the shower with the protomolecule growths
I don't know if they'll be able to do justice to Eros in the space they have available. I think we still have about an episode before Miller leaves Ceres. The escape from Eros will be at least an episode, and finding
Julie on Eroswill probably be an episode or so. If we have four episodes left, that doesn't leave much room.
I'm actually really looking forward to seeing how they handle that section, should be interesting to see. The effects from
episode onelooked pretty good, although we didn't get a good look at them,
so I'm hopeful.
I really was not impressed. I mean, really, fucking
zombies? That's the best they could come up with? Of all the amazing things you can do in science fiction, they go with zombies.
Technically not zombies. You should have kept reading. They're just described as zombies because that's easier than saying "protomolecule infested vectors of infection" every time you want to talk about them
>REMEMBER THE ROCINANTE edition
Are they gonna blow that up too?
>Maybe they'll split Leviathan Wakes into two series?
It's going to be a season and a half for LW apparently.
Humans are to the stars, but no aliens and just in the solar system.
Humanity divided between Earth, Mars, and belters.
Physics are real, and while they have very efficient powerplants, everything is well below light speed.
Two main plot lines.
a detective searching for a "Poor little rich girl" name Julie
and the crew of the "Cant" a ice hauler
first two episodes are okay, episodes 3 is good, 4 is great, and 5 is very good.
So when I read the book, I was left wondering about the Mormon generation ship.
they give some general dimensions and indicate it's shaped like a cylinder and is hollow (like Rama or B5), and we can assume it's steel or something similar. So we can get a rough estimate on its mass.
We know it's being built in orbit in the belt. So we have a rough idea of its starting orbital velocity and position.
we know Eros is floating towards Earth from the belt (similar starting speed, direction and orbital distance from sun as the Mormon ship) we know the plan is to crash the Mormon ship into Eros, so that Eros falls into the sun. Accomplishing this requires that Eros' orbital velocity become zero, or close enough
We know the mass or Eros and we can estimate its orbital velocity.
and we have an estimated mass for the ship. knowing these things how fast does the Mormon shop need to be traveling when it impacts Eros in order to reduce Eros' orbital velocity to zero?
While it doesn't really change the answer, it's worth noting that both Eros and the Mormon ship start from similar orbits. So the ship will need to "get ahead" of Eros (if it's not already.), turn around (relative to its original direction of orbit), then accelerate up to the necessary speed.
She looks a bit like Miller's ex from that angle. Long lost sister maybe?
>Accomplishing this requires that Eros' orbital velocity become zero, or close enough
To be honest, I think the whole "Smash it with the generation ship was meant to be absolutely the last ditch effort. I don't think they were really expecting it to work well enough to crash the rock into the sun, rather just make sure it didn't hit Earth. Also, there was all the explosives the OPA planted that would have given it an extra kick.
Well he's got a bag over his head for starters...
Also he's got a gun he's not using. It's balloonman all over again, I tells you.
It's newtons for force innit? (Long time since I was in school)
Average density of steel is about 8 tons per metre cubed. If we assume that the Mormon ship is slightly less than completely solid steel, say about 7 tons per metre average, and that it's approximately cylindrical, the Mass will be
Expanse wiki says that the Nauvoo was "shaped as a cylinder, just over two kilometers long and half a kilometer wide."
So the mass is about 4.40x10^10kg
To change Eros by one m/s you need 6,687,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force, or to put it in minds of us mortals.
to change Eros speed by 1 km/s and you had a saturn 5 first stage magic fuel it would take 193,826,086 seconds.
I think the idea was to blow it up.
If 4.40x10^10kg hit 6.687×10^15 kg mass at any speed, it would be enough energy to eliminate both mega structures IMO.
of course, since
eros was mined out it might be a lot lighter
In the book, the plan is explicitly stated to knock Eros into the sun in order to avoid contamination of the solar system
Maybe they change that in the show. It would make it slightly more realistic.
Why is she so cute?
True, if they wanted to
put it into the sun. it would make more sense to dock the navoo on the station and then start to push.
qt low grave looks.
The collision would destroy both of the objects anyway, there isn't really a question of that. But I think it could actually work out, Especially if most of the mass of Eros was mined out. If the huge bombs that were put on the planet were about as powerful as the most powerful nuke ever detonated, that's about 2x10^15 J, then if we say that maybe 1/4 of Eros' mass is left then it would take 4.96x10^21 J to stop it, which means that the Nauvoo would have to hit at about 474.8 km/s... Yeah, I don't see this working actually
Before someone asks who the other living qt is.
julie is still most likely alive at this point. Though in a bad shape.
True, but it's simpler to assume that it's steel because that's something easy to think in terms of. This is physics after all, did you expect something not based on assumptions, guesses and estimates?
Unmanned some of these drives in the book might be able to do that. After all, they can burn at say.3 g from Jupiter to mars the entire trip without issue, and also can go very fast if need be.
Yeah, and we know the Nauvoo was designed to tolerate hundreds of years burning at 1g, even that would only take 13 hours to reach the needed impact speed. Of course, getting it into position to make that run would take longer, and the fuel would mess up the mass calculations, and the mass would constantly change during the burn... but whatever, who cares about all that.
No worries anon.
I still need to finish book 2
It's gone already.
What I said was that none of this matters anyway since
alien technology bullshit will just make it miss so Miller can go meet his waifu and let the OPA steal the mormon's shit.
poor mormons, always getting fucked over.
I hate looking at spoilers
And it's not just that I hated getting spoiled
I just wanted 10 seasons of Holden Fireflying up the place, unraveling a government conspiracy while Miller goes around being Space Vic Mackey/Harvey Bullock
Holy shit, just noticed the fucking moron temple / church at the top of the ship, kek.
Why do mormons even still exist in this universe, you would think with space travel most people would become irreligious at the very least.
Just /tv/ that knows basic math.
okay, I am a mormon - and I am not going to go into a lot of detail but Mormon faith would have no issues with space travel, aliens, or so on. After all, to be really blunt, we think god is a physical being who was born and perfected in a place that was not earth.
Also, we have lots and lots of children as a general rule, and not afraid of technology. Would not shock me if a early moon or Mars base will have navoo, Nephi, Manti, or some other mormon name to it.
Episode 5 is pretty good, I didnt really like this show from Episode 1/2, was kind of meh, and had alot of problems with mumbly dialogue, but it seems like its getting better after the CQB episode.
I downloaded the subs because I couldn't understand the Belter language and it was no help because every Belter scene displayed like "hyaahgara mata neefebd"
always liked this - compare the size of the three largest asteroids in the belt.
kind of agree, I dont have a huge problem with the episodes aside from the dialogue making it frustrating to follow some of the conversations, when you're setting up your world making part of the dialogue hard to understand is kind of a cardinal sin though.
It annoyed me.
3-5 are pretty solid episodes though, I enjoy alot of the characters, especially the space cop dude who seems disillusioned and corrupt, but guilty about it, and black QT and her chief tyrol-ish bro who has her back on the Rocinante, etc. Might be a cool series, possibly better than battlestar since it doesnt have all the stupid quasi-religious crap that made parts of battlestar awkward and goofy.
I think it was important to show Belter cant, even though it made some points muddy. On the other hand, I've read the books so I knew pretty much everything they were saying anyway.
Its not even the belter's language, characters who spoke in clear english often mumbled their dialogue and made it unintelligible.
Im actually not having too much trouble with the belter talk (as long as its loud enough to hear). As long as youre paying attention you can get the general gist of what they are saying, even if they are using words in some goofy ass way they made up.
Even with modern rockets the deltaV is less to go from Ceres to the moon then Earth to the Moon.
DeltaV = Cost
The series includes the drive that makes space travel exponentially less expensive and more efficient. It doesn't break physics, but it beyond our abilities.
Is there a name for a fetish for skinny/spindly/gangly women
Because that's why I would head for the Belt
>the way her knees point at each other at the end
It was to show he was in command. After spending so much on episode 4 they had to scale back 5 to a near bottle episode. it was cheaper to do that then to build a quick bridge set to show he was in command.
The scene where the detectives explains the conspiracy to his female officer friend was a highlight for me. The guy give just the impression of being a half mad half belter obsessed with a case
I haven't read the books, but why is it that he's in charge of the OPA then? Wouldn't belters despise him because of what he did to those miners? I mean, especially since the OPA wants Earth to give the belt its fair share of what they export, their values line up with what those miners were striking over.
Hes probably the best part of the series right now
Also notice how he knows where the guy who wrecked his partner is but first he goes and talks to the guy who had the fight with julia in the hangar
Wikipedia tells me that creole is the term for all simplified/mixed languages that have grown into a language, Which one did you mean?
From the books a while back I had the impression of spanish and german words in the belter language.
>works on magic bro
>I'm OK with that as long as they keep it consistent.
Indeed - it doesn't break physics in the sense that it not in the range of impossible, it just that the engines are much more efficient then we know how to build them, but work under calculations.
later there is something that is more magical, and it almost breaks the minds of all witnessing it
resigned from the marines after killing all the folks at anderson, and went underground. he used his contacts with the UNN and those he met with belters to peacefully solve worker issues in the belt, and the became a hero after years when belters realized he had a road to Damascus moment and was now fighting for them.
Lots of english, with German, french, and some spanish.
after all, you must Kennst that Kowlmang. Might be Ji-ral of exiting a Ido sans-suit, or Pashang a Na khorocho whore to spin. But Tenye wa yitim gut.
HERE WE ARE NOW
>People on Earth live in shitty cubes because there's no room.
That's kind of horseshit
There is plenty of room for hundreds of billions on Earth. The problem is resources, not space.
wouldn't earth have super cities that grow vertically and underground to make more room
earth has shittons of room, the problem is allocating it efficiently and powering/feeding everybody
This rule still probably applies, though
They live in shitty cubes because that is all they can afford, half the population is on "basic" a kind of living wage so they get even shittier cubes. Also what land is outside of cities they have is probably intended for farmland to feed everyone. Plus the reduced amount of land available due to sea level rise.
So yeah, no fucking room.
On a unrelated note, glad Shawn Doyle got some work on the series (Sadavir Errinwright) He never been giving a huge role that I know of but he does well with what they give him.
It's the number I pulled off of syfy's site. http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/enterthefuture/inside/mars/description
Yeah, it seems like an absurdly oversized artificial environment.
That guy who kept crying that he wanted an ocean so bad, they could just arrange to have everybody piss at the same time and he'd have one.
So far, very close
2nd episode is mostly stuff not in the novel. Havelock plotline is not the same, and thus Miller plotline so far is not the same. The refrence to the slumlord who doesn't change his filters is not the same as well.
Nah, people breed like rabbits, and they could easily build enough self-sufficient biospheres on its surface in order to maintain such a large population. I mean, Mars is completely barren, there are no oceans and not many geological formations that would prevent or hinder the construction of large structures.
It is believed that Phoebe was intended as a weapon, created by extra-terrestrials around two billion years in the past, and launched at a trajectory towards the Earth. why would aliens want to cleanse earth of life 2 billion years ago. 2 billion years ago earth only had cyanobacteria.
It's doable with the tech they have, but I don't think it would add to the story much. Plus, why go there? Peoples needs for energy seem to be met nicely by fusion, no need to make solar farms to beam back just yet.
Easier to mine from asteroids.
>Why do mormons even still exist in this universe, you would think with space travel most people would become irreligious at the very least.
Mormons and Islam are one of the most space friendly religions. Both strongly accept existence of life on another planets.
the entire purpose of the protomolecule is to convert itself into a giant wormhole leading to a hub of other giant wormholes
are the books finished because that is absolutely retarded, those aliens must have been smoking space crack
I don't think it was an offensive weapon at all. The protomolecule was designed to turn biomass into stargates to help it's users find inhabitable worlds, but it's users may not have even understood that other worlds could harbor sentient life.
In fact if they had burned all the algae off our surface and then set up camp one could hardly make any moral objections to their actions if you couldn't see the future. I think their entire travel system depended on sending out protomolecule probes at sublight speeds to build new gates so they could then travel to them later.
Is this guy supposed to be Neil deGrasse Tyson's evil twin?
The magnetosphere and light is irrelevant, you wouldn't be on the surface anyway due to the heat
unless you put your city on planet-spanning tracks it moves along. You'd go there to farm power and beam it further out system.
>A frontier faith that believes in space gods will not go to space...
how does an intelligent species not realize that blindly sending out a biological agent that converts biomass into wormholes MIGHT JUST POSSIBLY wreck someone else's day? even considering the distances and chances of encountering another sentient race (extremely low) it is still HIGHLY unethical to use such a method.
they could have at least encoded a "this is how you turn this shit off" in the chemical structure or something.
Magnetosphere is not totally irreverent, as it strong enough to keep solar wind off the planet.
Also you ignore the opportunities to use the strong sunlight vie piping to produce huge vats of algae to feed farming vie greenhouse, aquaculture, or mycoprotein production.
We know nothing of the Protomolecule Masters or their intentions other than they transcended what we know of physics and then something wiped them from the face of the universe, leaving all their cool, dangerous, incomprehensible shit behind.
Ever hear of a paperclip maximizer? Maybe some dipshit alien scientist created the protomolecule to make a Von Neumann probe concept and the instant he turned it on it murdered his entire planet and then shot itself off in a million different directions.
I just read "Drive" and it would be thematically similar to Solomon Epstein's fuck-up
Sure there's space and light, but why bother going all the way to Mercury? If you want food you can make habitats closer to existing population centers rather than having to ship stuff back and forth constantly. Mercury has a bit of water but not much, you'd still need to bring in a lot to keep farms running.
I kinda doubt the protomolecule itself did them in. Wouldn't PM Miller have just said that during Cibola Burn? It seemed like the molecule gave that entity pretty free reign to explain shit to Holden.
Its perfectly readable, I ate the first book in about two days and read the rest that were out subsequently. Direct comparison of prose is a ridiculous way to talk about fiction, especially genre pieces.
The absolute shitload of asteroids in the belt and the outer planets. Also aerostats on Venus
but that failed horrendously. Mercury is viable, but there are easier places to go first rather than a lone sunbaked planet that's deep in the Suns gravity well. Epstein drives are good, but 1g acceleration limits for long-term trips mean Mercury is a long way away in terms of time. The outer planets can at least support themselves with water and solar mirrors.
They have fusion power, their engines are a type of fusion engine as well.
The molecule is a machine, it doesn't think or feel even if parts that it built itself from once did. It just does the things that are programmed into it.
i just meant the overall level of quality, cohesiveness and attention to detail m8
the cantos is a completely different style of prose obviously but the broad strokes can be compared
Ah, ok then. I've been to /lit/ before so you understand my response. The attention to detail is great, probably the best part. They really try to stay plausible with the physics which is pretty cool. They're good books, Id say the first is a bit light on characterization but that improves later on.
>implying your church would let loose all that cash it's been hoarding for generations on anything actually useful
Fuck off, cultist. The only difference between the LDS and Scientology is that Joseph Smith wasn't a ginger.
>magnetosphere is strong!
>put settlement on sun facing side
>first flare everyone dies
Still probably a good idea to stick to the dark side, and tracks might not help either since the temp extremes would be hard on whatever material
>Space probes have yet to reach the area of the Oort cloud. Voyager 1, the fastest and farthest of the interplanetary space probes currently exiting the Solar System, will reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years and would take about 30,000 years to pass through it.
>Venus is literally Hell
That's on the surface level, but higher atmospheric levels would in principle be inhabitable
They have been tried in the series, they failed.
>Ships can fly all around the solar system
>9 billion people now live on mars
>100s of millions on Ceres
>There no such thing as robots to start the digging for you so you just fly your ship into your underground hanger and start to expand it on a rocky planet.
It called living underground.
Or living the poles that are actually below zero. If you can settle on the moon you could settle on Mercury. The DeltaV is less then then Jupiter, and you don't have to deal with Jupiter massive radiation belts.
It offers a suitable place to live without the need of complex habitats, since Venus' gravity is Earth-like and conditions in the upper atmosphere are life-friendly.
And who said that automatized machinery (and even people with special suits) couldn't exploit resources in and under the Venusian surface?
Well in the book series (Setting spoilers)
there was a attempt to settle Venus, it failed, and now is in legal hell between factions who do not want to invest till it settled.
Now, MAJOR book spoilers
Eros is flown into Venus to prevent earth destruction from a alien replicating substance. It now alien machines