You reckon if you were his cute young padawan that sometimes you'd be training together and he'd come up behind you and hug you from behind to show you proper lightsaber technique and you'd feel his crotch against your ass and you'd kind of grind your ass into it but act all innocent and he'd start breathing heavier and you'd grind a little harder and feel something hard against your ass and then he pulls off of you and tells you that's enough for today and leaves and you jack off thinking about the whole experience? I think that'd be a fun little romp know what I'm saying?
>>64583029 I love him. He's a great character. He's like the total opposite of what a Jedi is supposed to be and yet he's also the best Jedi. He just doesn't give a fuck and does whatever in order to do good.
>>64583236 He's a guy who you'd expect him to be conservative and old-fashioned, but he's absolutely not. Dude is completely unorthodox. He's this guy that doesn't follow the rules but rather follows "the spirit of them." He's also the sort of dude who would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it. Even though he's this goodly dude, he doesn't look down on the sinners of the world and even hangs out with them if it means doing good. He's also real chill, real mellow guy. Doesn't get too stressed even when the heat is on and shit is going down all around him. He rolls with the punches. Easy-going. There should be more people like him.
He could have been cool is he was fleshed out. He's too one-dimensional. They should have established where he stood in the Jedi council, what his relationships were with the major players. More of his personality should have shown - he could still be "stoic," but maybe a joke or two thrown in to show he's a little more rebellious than his peers or something. Maybe more scenes establishing his relationship with Anakin or Obi Wan. We never really understand who he was or what his motivations are. If he's a main character he should have an arc of some description, but instead he just moves the plot along for vague reasons and then dies without changing.
Overall though the way the character is played conflicts with the character's actions. He's meant to be wise and heroic, but he acts on whims, has a questionable moral viewpoint and ultimately causes the destruction of the Jedi. If they swapped all his lines with Obi Wan's, who is a younger and inexperienced Jedi, it would have made a lot more sense
Pederast? Nah. I would say that Qui Gon intrest in Anakin was purely force based curiosity and sense of destiny.
I like the guy a lot, especially because he got the balls to stand up against the council of Jedis. He do what he feel is the right things to do, against all odds. However his dedication to pursue the balance seeking was not matched by his lightsaber performance and in the end, he basically standalone started the confrontation between two sides of the force, when he insisted on training Anakin (especally the death wish was tricky...), who become Dark Wader....
All in all, he is a true master, how shallow characters we get todays (say Ray)...
No, I liked him, I don't think anybody with any sense would say they didn't. Liam Neeson was likable, as was his character.
But I don't think he was really necessary. If they removed Qui-Gon and replaced his parts with Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan himself would have actually had a purpose in the movie besides "tag along or stay back out of sight until Qui-Gon dies."
>>64584023 How could we have reworked the script to make both characters valid? I'm thinking perhaps Obi Wan acts a good cop, Qui Gon as bad cop, and maybe Qui Gon starts out as more of a grey Jedi but turns more light sided and sacrifices himself against Maul to let Obi Wan get the BIG KIBOSH in
Qui-Gon seems like the only jedi to take his job seriously, the council just sits at Coruscant doing nothing while he discovers the literal chosen one, just because he actually travels to other planets. He lies, he cheats, he gambles with human lives and acts all smug and arrogant because he knows he's getting away with it. Qui-Gon leaves Obi-Wan to sit alone in a boring ass ship while he gets to watch podracing.
>>64584023 >If they removed Qui-Gon and replaced his parts with Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan himself would have actually had a purpose in the movie besides "tag along or stay back out of sight until Qui-Gon dies." it sets up obi-wan's massive incompetence in the next two. "oh anakin is acting like a murderous retard? I should tell him to cut it ou- BAWBAWBAW MY MENTOR IS DEAAAAAAD OH YES ANAKIN KEEP DOING WHATEVER YES THIS IS WHAT QUIGON WOULD SAY OH FORCE I MISS HIM"
>>64584162 As an interesting note, if you want a better understand of why Qui-Gon is the most boring main character in Star Wars canon, read through the list of quotes listed on IMDb. Jesus Christ he doesn't even say anything memorable
>>64584077 >>64584079 >>64584140 Well... I've been saying this for a while, but the way I see it... >Anakin is older >Obi-Wan is a freshly knighted Jedi, still thinks he's the shit >they meet >Anakin shows he's a kickass pilot, Obi-Wan needs a pilot because his dies or something, so they tag along for adventure >Obi-Wan sees promise in Anakin, offers to teach him about the Force >Anakin knew stories about the Jedi, saw them as superheroes, always wanted to be one >Anakin's eagerness becomes an obsessive thirst for constant improvement >that leads him to the Dark Side, believing it will unlock more power >Palpatine feeds into it >Anakin abandons Obi-Wan, abandons his wife, doesn't even realize she's preggers >agrees to destroy the Jedi Order, believing them to be no longer relevant, or traitors to the new Empire
It works if we just assume Obi-Wan took Anakin under his wing because he overstepped his boundaries. He thought he could do what Yoda could do. He fucked up.
And that's why Owen didn't want Luke talking to Old Ben.
>>64584216 A lot of them could be interpreted that way on paper, but the way Liam Neeson plays these lines and the fact events in the movie seem to affirm his wisdom would indicate that's not how we're meant to interpret Qui-Gon's character. He gives advise to Ani who goes on to win the pod race, etc. Furthermore, because we know Obi Wan (as Ben) and we know that he will train Luke to be a Jedi master, we are left to assume he was taught well. The way the actors play this scene, with Obi Wan absorbing the advise given, implies Qui-Gon is someone we too, the audience, should listen to.
>>64583029 I watched TPM and realized it was utter trash because its neither kids movie nor it is a good sci-fi about those politics in it. Its not for anyone. Cute Ani actor is the only thing good about it. Imagine being hyped for the new trilogy, going to cinema and the movie opens with trade negotiations and Jar Jar and poorly designed universe.
>>64584391 This is exactly how I think things should have played out, as well. The only thing I have difficulty sort of reconciling in my head is how Obi could get the Jedi council on board with his apprentice, and if he couldn't and then Anakin became Darth Vader, how would Obi Wan still have a good relationship with Yoda in the OT? Assuming you want to keep the whole idea about prophecies and balance to the Force, that is
>>64584420 To further this point, here's Liam Neeson's interpretation of the character:
"He's almost like a monk, an old-time warrior who is wise and quite philosophical, yet very skilled in martial arts. He has incredible confidence, as well as a magical quality that enables him to see into the future. He's not really a rebel, but he has his own code."
>Qui Gon is a radicalist, trained by Dooku, and skirting the light and dark according to council >they still for some reason let him train Obi the brightest current Jedi and some potential savior or destructor of the force
>>64584450 Is ambition not enough for you? Because "I want to save girl, girl in no danger, I save girl anyway, oh no girl dead, I want to still be evil" seemed weak. >>64584493 Hell no, I'd drop the prophecies. Talk of balance could still occur, but I think it'd be interesting if the Jedi believed it had already occurred. The galaxy was at peace until the Clones came into town and started shit. Then Palpatine got into power, started enlisting citizens into the Army, built up the proto-Stormtroopers, dragged the Jedi into fighting (Anakin and Obi-Wan probably joined willingly).
I feel like among the chaos, the Jedi were desperate for someone of Anakin's talents, so went with it that way. >>64584550 I feel like they should've addressed that too. I can kind of see why not though - it brings a level of unpredictability about the outcome of their training - but it does seem like something we should have heard from the Senate or something.
>>64584749 >Talk of balance could still occur, but I think it'd be interesting if the Jedi believed it had already occurred. To elaborate, I don't think "balance" means "equal amounts of Jedi and Sith." That's stupid.
But I do think the Sith's resurgence would have led them to realize that shit was out of whack again, so they would have started to make an effort to reattain that balance.
>>64583029 He's like. Upper management in his office. He also understands that the right thing isn't always the thing that jives with office policy. He had good intentions hiring a 9 year old to be the future face of the company, but it proved problematic. His disregard for the rules was infectious and it's what allowed Dooku, his former boss and ex-VP of marketing, to manipulate his charge later in life, and eventually led to Anakin's transfer to the executive assistant position under the SheevEO.
He was kind of a hypocrite. He always did what he felt was right rather than the established right path, but at the same stressed composure and calm.
>>64584566 >>64584814 Hey now. They say "reckon" all over the south. And I think there are gays around here too but they tend to move out due to hostility.
They're hostile towards other people too but I can't be assed to go anywhere. >>64584996 Well, there's a war going on. And I suspect that in my concept the Clones would still be led by a Sith under the command of Sidious. But only one, a sort of "Proto-Vader" to keep on through all three movies.
All of that would likely push him to want to be better. But still, what's wrong with considering the entire Jedi Order to be his rivals? He begins to see it as a competition to be better than his peers, including Obi-Wan. When he wasn't a Jedi, he wanted to be one so he could be exceptional. But when you become a Jedi, among other Jedi, how then do you become exceptional?
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