Why did R2 just wake up randomly and give them the rest of the map that he apparently had in his system the whole time?
Here's my theory:
Luke left and R2 wouldn't turn on until he returns right? Also notice that Rey wasn't on the same planet as R2 until the end. I gathered that when Rey landed on the resistance planet, R2 "sensed" her (because after spending so much time with the skywalkers and not having his memory wiped he became somewhat force sensitive. The force flows through all things and all that. Also there's been a force sensitive droid in Star Wars before so anyway) as being Luke because she is a Skywalker. So he turned on.
Hope I communicated that well. I'm on my phone so you know.
Luke wanted to be in exile until the time was right. With BB-8 and R2 together, that meant the resistance had obtained the map and they had the plans to destroy the ultimate weapon, so the time was right for him to come back. The first order also had no way of knowing that R2 had the other piece of the map, and R2 would not turn on if captured, They would end up destroying him and then the map to Luke's whereabouts would be lost forever.
>the force isn't made of matter
Except you're wrong, you retard
>Le memory wipe meme
I'm gonna laugh when it turns out she has never had her memory wiped, and has never seen Luke before....because she's just as a matter of a fact, a Mary Sue, lazily written character
In Episode II, the Jedi had already mapped every part of the universe. The librarian even says, "if it's not here, it doesn't exist." And, after seeing what the Galactic senate looked like in the prequels, are you telling me that no one in the entire senate has mapped the Galaxy lol?
Exactly. And that's the way Luke wanted it.
Nobody was supposed to know except R2, that way if R2 was captured nobody would know, and R2 could wipe his own memory or never turn back on and then the map would be lost forever, and it would never fall into the first order's hands.
>he became somewhat force sensitive.
he's a robot
the force is about connection with living things.
>Also there's been a force sensitive droid in Star Wars before so anyway
ya, in some spin off eu comic book probably
Just because something is mapped doesn't mean it's well known
We've mapped the oceans, yet there's islands out there we don't know about, or they're so insignificant that we don't pay attention to them to the point that somebody could get shipwrecked and we'd never find them.
>Luke wanted it
>Rey's memory was wiped
>R2 "sensed" Rey (droids have the force now?)
Nice fan theory
Daily reminder that Rey having her memory wiped isn't cannon and is just an excuse for her being a mary sue
I never said Rey's memory was wiped.
I don't think it's implied in the movie either.
For all we know she could be Kenobi's granddaughter and that's why she doesn't know Luke or Leia, and she's got natural inclination for the force.
>Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their host to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force.
Taken from wookiepedia. try google before you start talking out your ass.
You're comparison is way off. There appears to be a thousands members of the galactic senate...not one of them could give Leigh even a little hint as to what might be in that little area in R2's map?
Consider the following;
I mean..fuck..at the end of the movie, it took Rey less than 15 seconds of hyperspeed to reach Luke lol. The fuck was that? It took Han at least an entire scene of hyperspeed to reach Starkiller. Remember that scene? "We've got to time it just right and pull up so we don't crash!" ???? The X-wings have hyperspeed now! Send Poe and his friends on a mission and see if they can scout anything. They had 20 years, they said, and not once did they come across a planet?
Are you telling me that not once, the Princess of the entire galaxy could send out a search party in every direction? I mean, for fucks sakes, it's LUKE! It's not just some unknown old man, but literally THE LAST GUY IN THE GALAXY WHO CAN USE THE FORCE! The fuck? You're the queen of the Galaxy! Send a search party!
JJ already literally said in an interview there was no in-world reason for it, the plot simply mandated it. So feel free to throw your theories in the trash.
That's how much of a hack he is.
>watch a new hope
> death star has to get in range to destroy rebels
wait why dont you just blow up the shit in front of you ?
fuck it i been here for 2 hours just blow up the death star
...huh? Did you not read my post? In Star Wars, galaxies are pretty tiny
Consider the following:
It took Star Killer's death ray only mere seconds to travel across a planetary system lol
The Galaxy isn't even big! It took the Falcon a few seconds to get to Luke! Did you watch the final scene or leave to go poopoo or something? Because it seems like Luke was just hiding like 3 planets away
Han hyperspeed ---> 30 seconds later ---> arrive at Star Killer base
Rey hyperspeed ---> 10 seconds later ---> arrive at Luke's planet
So was Luke's planet like super close or something bro? I thought galaxies were supposed to be huge............?
>Why did R2 just wake up randomly and give them the rest of the map that he apparently had in his system the whole time?
Um, hello? Did you watch the movie?
There was nothing else to do. The plot required R2 to wake up. If he didn't luke wouldn't be in the movie!
He writes like a retard but he has a point.
In previous Star Wars movies hyperdrive took a long time, not the literal seconds we see in TFA. JJ is the hackiest hack.
BUT anon also don't know that a large portion of the SW galaxy is uncharted, and it's practically impossible to hyperdrive safely in uncharted territory.
i dont care which one of you faggots said midichlorians cant be matter because a measurable life form in your blood stream is matter like your fucking red blood cells
once again enjoy your fast food job you fucking idiot
Was r2 programmed to reactivate at sensing Lukes lightsaber? Can someone confirm if Rey being in proximity to R2 WHILE having Lukes saber could have done it? Do the scenes match up?
Because the plot demanded it.
Honestly, though, the entire script is "Fortunate Coincidences: The Film." At least in A New Hope, it made sense why Kenobi would be watching over Anakin's kid.
Hyperdrive trips are exactly as long as the exposition they need to cram in between locations, no longer, no shorter.
That anon is literally measuring scenes to get distances, that's not how even the OT worked. That's colo clawtism tier.
That's not really the problem, in previous SW the plot was dictated by the fairly long time hyperdriving took, I think the prequels present this very well, with Obi visiting "distant" planets in his detective work for example.
In TFA this is thrown out the window and you have characters travelling everywhere back and forth with no apparent time skip. All the planets feel like they are in the same Star system because of how fast we jump between them.
It's just bad writing tbqh.
a new hope
fortunate coincidence edition
>no life forms on that pod sir
>oh hi leia i'll sense you in another movie
>let's put an exhaust port rightttt there
>we have to get in range sir
>i'm a ghost bitch
Because this movie made no sense
>Rey using the Jedi Mind Trick
>Kylo surviving a direct shot from the Bowcaster and still being able to fight
>Poe getting thrown far enough away that Finn couldn't see him and still surviving
>R2 randomly reactivating
>Rey using Force Pull a day after she found out the force was real
>Rey "focusing" on The Force as opposed to clearing her mind
>The "light side" of The Force
>Mind reading with The Force
>"Ancient design of a lightsaber"
>Chewy getting shot and then being fine three scenes later
>"A story for another time"
>Hand held charges have more firepower than X-Wings
>Stopping a blaster bolt in mid flight
>Old man who's backstory was never explained
>No one ever told Kylo that Vader abandoned the Dark Side
>In TFA this is thrown out the window and you have characters travelling everywhere back and forth with no apparent time skip.
Just like in the OT (aside from right before big space battles, but those are either at bases or I think Jedi specifically mentions a rendezvous point) you know hyper drive takes a while not because of the length of the scenes where you actually watch it happen, but because each trip has a cut in it.
Every hyperdrive flight in TFA has cuts to other scenes. Yeah it's faster because everything is faster in this movie, but the cuts are there to keep you from thinking everything is so close. Travel time is edited out in every Star Wars movie and that fact that you think TFA is doing something radically different makes me wonder if you're remembering the movie wrong and trying to find flaws in it.
You're acting like there's this one scene where you see an entire trip, uncut. Doesn't happen. The closest you get to that is Rey and Chewie's trip to Luke but what are you supposed to watch, 5 minutes of them sitting in the cockpit? There's no exposition so they can just get to Luke's planet immediately.
>Asked about what audiences are really seeing in that moment, Abrams said,
>"BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, ‘I’ve got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest?' The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."
>If we're being real, this isn't much of an explanation. Sure, BB-8 may have given the ol' droid a poke, but why did it take him so long for the blue and white astromech unit to respond? While it doesn't really help things, J.J. Abrams is apparently aware that this moment comes across as a bit dues ex machina-y and coincidental, but adds that it was really necessary to have that kind of moment in the wake of the death of Han Solo. He explained,
>"While it may seem, you know, completely lucky and an easy way out, at that point in the movie, when you’ve lost a person, desperately, and somebody you hopefully care about is unconscious, you want someone to return."
You are missing the point senpai, the problem is not just the perceived time passed, the plot itself acts as if hyperdrive is much faster than previous movies and this is not an editing problem, it's a writing problem.
I noticed this right off the bat and I was not the only one since I saw other anons mentioning it individually too.
Abrams basically translated what BB-8 beeped to R2 when he first ran into him. Which was that he had the piece of the map. Which makes more sense than. R2 sensed Rey and Luke's saber since when the fuck could R2 ever do that?
>We're here to catch a diplomat let's send men after an escape pod with no one aboard
>Let's put one exhaust port the size of a rat on a station the size of a moon such a glaring weakness
>Let's move this huge space station at the speed of light
Doesn't the book adaptation say that R2 had the Empire's astrological charts from when he was,plugged into the Death Star way back in ANH, and it was only after BB showed up with a section of it that R2 went, "wait, this looks familiar..." and spent the next day or so comparing BB's map to the old Empire's charts until he found a match?
And R2 waking up at that moment was pure coincidence?
Luke interfaced with R2 through his robotic hand. He was able to issue commands remotely through it.
I'm on my phone so I can't do a proper analysis but from what I remember Kylo went from Jakku to Starkiller then to Takodana then back to Starkiller in a short amount of time, other characters jump between planets too in no time at all, it makes hyperdrive feel like a ghetto teleportation machine and I think it's a symptom of the poor writing which prioritizes "events" rather than characters.
In ESB for example it's established that Yoda's planet is quite a journey and Luke having to go there was a big detour and left him isolated.
This wasn't just because of how slow hyperdrive is but also because of how the plot forced the characters to not abuse it too much (hyperdrive breaking down or Luke's ship getting fucked).
>I'm on my phone so I can't do a proper analysis
There are cuts and time between all of those. Look if you can't cough up some specific examples of your opinion you can just stop posting.
Kylo goes from Jakku to a star destroyer in orbit, not back to Starkiller. It takes Luke about 10 minutes of screen time with Leia and Chewie to get from Dagobah to Bespin. Guess how long it takes from when the First Order finds about BB-8 is on Takodana to the ships showing up? About 13.
Checking that canon map they recently put out, the distance is really similar between Bespin-Dagobah and Takodana-Jakku.
You could still be right, there could be examples. I'm just not gonna fact check the entire movie for you right now.
But time doesn't pass differently for different characters, at most you can say more time passed between cuts.
If you accept the 13 minutes as literal time then you have to take the 10 minutes in Empire as literal. You can't pick and choose.
Are you retarded or have you never seen either movie? In Empire Luke and R2 recognize how long it will take them so much that R2 offers to turn on the autopilot, for a ten minute flight? Okay. In TFA someone contacts The First Order and within 13 minutes all of which we saw there were no jumps forward in time The First Order arrivers.
You're inserting time jumps in Luke's travels when the Cloud City scenes show that isn't accurate, just like how you're saying the Takodana scenes show there isn't time jumps between the cuts to Kylo and the Hux speech.
And you don't know R2-D2 is suggesting auto-pilot because it's this great long trip, it's just what astromech droids do. When does look say it's a long trip? He just says it's out in the boonies.
Shit, even the trip from Tatooine to Alderaan is only 5 minutes and you know the trip is happening when the Death Star scenes are because Obi-Wan feels the planet pop.
Look the travel times in Star Wars have never made sense, they almost always are intercut with other scenes so it's hard to really argue time is jumping around. I think you just have to accept it is what it is. No trip is exactly as long as it should be, it's a story telling element.
literally all they had to do was have 3PO say "oh R2 shut down a while ago, it seems he is trying to compute something big and shut down to divert all power to auxillary systems. what that is we dont know. i hope he wakes up soon, i miss him" and then when he wakes up have him roll out after the battle of starkiller and beep something at 3PO. then 3PO would go "oh my, he's found it!" cut to the luke scene
That would make sense... Luke wants to start again with a new apprentice, in secret, but all of his Jedi-in-training have been killed by the Knights of Ren. So he waits on that planet, having set up an elaborate trail that only a promising Jedi could take. (Get the lightsaber, bring it to R2D2.) Luke then just needs to wait for the force to awaken.
>pay 4 billion dollars for the rights to star wars
>hire JJ abrams to make a script that reads like it was written by a ten year old who had seen star wars approximately once
what did they mean by this?
Because once they put the map in him he knew they'd be able to find Luke, it was implied that he shut himself down because he was depressed that Luke was missing. It was made pretty clear in the fucking movie you absolute cretins.
Obviously R2 understands english and can hear, he was in power SAVING mode which implies he wasn't shut down completely, just in sleep mode, so he hears that they found the last piece of the map and comes out of power saving mode so they can complete the map.
They weren't looking for a literal cross mark with "here lies the treasure" but a calculated map showing them how to get to Luke through hyperspace. It's established in Star Wars universe that you need to follow specific hyperspace routes or you'll end up killing yourself.
SHE'LL ALWAYS BE ROYALTY TO ME
She doesn't know how, why, or who left her on Jakku. And since they easter-egged the name of the pilot who owned the helmet she has (Dosmit Raeh), we may be able to assume she doesn't even know her real name, and named herself after that pilot.
It's a map of a huge fucking chunk of the galaxy. We'd probably be able to work it out with current Earth tech (or would if we were in the same galaxy) just by looking at the stars in it. That bit of the film did aggravate my inner autist.
>mfw my pleb friend kept insisting Luke is going to turn evil because R2's light went red in this scene after he touched him