Anyone agree? I came across this essay about the film:
Joy is even better the second time around. The first time around, the detractors' contrasting arguments (it's "messy", it's incomprehensible, it's a lot of "empty style") didn't make sense to me. As a movie viewer going in for a well-told yarn, you get really caught up in this story of a lone female warrior taking on the patriarchal world.
But the second time around, their arguments really wither and don't hold up at all. The second time, the beats are familiar, and you can focus on the way Russell draws out this very complex world of femininity buckling with masculinity, of American-Dream success mingling with tragic failure, of fakeness clashing with reality.
Russell's uncanny knack with actors comes out in much richer nuance than a first-view would warrant. There are so many levels to Neil (the Bradley Cooper character) that it makes my head spin.
Joy is also an astounding metaphor for the process of filmmaking and Joy can be said to be a stand-in not only for O. Russell the person (in terms of his pro-feminist stance and his beliefs), but also O. Russell the director. Joy, like O. Russell, faces immense backlash from their crazy decisions; lots of people don't believe in the power of the finished product because they see the rushes and think it's going to be an immense failure. Indeed, like the long and tired development of the miracle mop, there are many hiccups and outbursts on an O. Russell set that make it seem the end product will be terrible. But it isn't. With time, patience, shrewd negotiation with producers (Bradley Cooper) and actors (Joan Rivers/Cindy) and the writers (Joy's family) and set-designers (the factory-owner) and all the other people that make the Taylorized machine of filmmaking work: with all of this, the end product is well worth the effort put into it.
>there's an alternate universe happening RIGHT NOW where russell doesn't get to make movies and lawrence faded into obscurity after winters bone
once again, stuck in shit timeline R, not even asking for goat timeline A.. just something that isn't this retarded
>mfw watching Jennifer Lawrence act
Fuck you monty, you ruined truefilm with your giddy plebism. Ever heard the phrase "brevity is the soul of wit"? No of course not, that's why you vomit paragraphs that amount to so much drivel. Joy is a masterpiece, but not because you were qualified to recognize it. Seeing Cooper as a "yuppie QVC exec"... No wonder you're harbored at Stanford, the rest of the productive world has no taste for your liberal twaddle.
It didn't used to be, it was just a level minded oasis from r/movies in the beginning and the mods were quite friendly at encouraging different films and genres to the crowd. Then it really started taking off and we got started getting whack jobs, but the downturn started when more mods were brought in board, lordhadri, montypython22 and the sub stopped being a forum and became a pontificating platform for these dopes who felt the need to display how superior they were to everyone else. The older mods are now almost all absent from the place
Yeah I posted there for several years now, it used to be a great place for serious discussion. Now every thread has some kind of SJW agenda to it. It is just cringeworthingly bad. I badly want to unsub from it but it is good to write a bunch of analytical shit about a movie sometimes.
Then again it's not worth seeing constant annoying threads like the one about Joy over and over again. Every time it's always SJW nonsense.
Joy is a great film though, and not really because of feminism; it'd be just fine with a male lead, only that's not in fashion right now. O Russell is by far the most confident camera technician right now, you can see him just gleefully adopting styles from all over the place, the Godfather here, Lynch there, etc. Contrast that with H8 which looks like flat dogshit peppered with exposition shots from The Thing.
I'm glad you think so, the truefilm post really turned me off, but I generally like David O Russell's stuff and wanted to see it. I don't want to see it if it has anything to do with feminism
Russel go back to making movies for the audience or yourself instead of for the Academy.
You can read whatever feminism you want into it, the basic idea is that the dreams of our past selves come to haunt us and that the world is hostile whether or not you persue these dreams so you might as well give it a go. I really enjoyed it as an entrepreneurial tale. And Russell doesn't just go "yay she won", the ending is rather bitter sweet and staged like a Godfather meeting, success pretty much divides her family and segments her from the world. It's fascinating if you have the brains for it.
Implying you faggots aren't reddit incarnate. reddit hates Russell, I'm sure it's coincidence that you do too.
>Russell the person (in terms of his pro-feminist stance and his beliefs)
Lelwhat. Has he ever been outspoken about this shit?
> like the long and tired development of the miracle mop, there are many hiccups and outbursts on an O. Russell set that make it seem the end product will be terrible
The person who wrote this should unironically kill themselves.
Yeah, this place wants to seem independently minded, but they're in complete lockstep with reddit on DOR.
I just wish I could understand why. There's so many mediocre directors. Even the best sometimes puts out a turd. Why does DOR create such reliable seething hatred? It's baffling. He's not an offensive director at all.
I'm guessing that people dislike him based on his previous asshole behavior on the sets of Three Kings and I Heart Huckabees. Either he's mellowed or he'll continue to use the same core cast for all of his future movies because they get along.