Why did Han or anyone else believe the Jedi and the Sith were a myth?
Not believing in the Force and dismissing it as mumbo-jumbo is sort of understandable, but the Jedi and Sith are historical figures that fought in wars in living memory.
Did Chewbacca never tell Han any war stories about Yoda? Did people miss the fact that the Jedi were big deals in the News during the Clone Wars and were wanted criminals afterwards? Did Rey think all those history books and news reports were fake?
There were only about 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of quadrillions. Most people only heard stories about them that would sound like myths to your average joe. Han and Admiral Motti aren't doubting that Jedi existed as an institution, they just think they were crazy old monks who had no real power. It's not like the Clone Wars had war correspondents, most of the galaxy would have never seen them in action.
It would have been even worse if they had kid Han hanging out with Yoda in episode III as Lucas originally intended
it's really just a plot hole, especially when you consider that wookies lives for hundreds of years, and species like Maz's and Yoda's live upwards of a thousand years so many people were alive during the time of the jedi, and even if they never met one they still lived during the period with the greatest number of jedis. I always hear people spout that Jedis were in the thousands when the galaxy had trillions of individuals and that's fine and all and i could understand how people in the outter rim and backwater planets wouldn't have known if they were real but someone like Han should have just based on the amount of space travelling that he did. Not to mention the fact that Palpatine used the Jedi as a scapegoat to justify his rise to power so it doesn't make sense that people like Moff or Han don't believe in them.
>It's not like the Clone Wars had war correspondents
I thought that's what the Holonet News did.
Public opinion was frequently discussed, there were even anti-war protestors in front of the jedi temple.
But the Jedi literally had a huge temple thing on the capital planet of the republic. Plus Anakin pulls the "Jedi business" line in the bar/club thing in episode 2 after chasing the sub contracted assassin, at least suggesting the Jedi were a pretty well known group to the general population at the time.
Fuck that, anybody who stepped foot in coruscant at some point in their lives prior to the rise of the empire would be exposed to Jedi lore.
And what when talking to Chewie about the clone wars Han was just like "Sure furball a little green toad decapitated a bunch of clones, whatever you say"
I'm surprised that no one considered that perhaps history had been rewritten. They may have served both sides. The New Republic might have thought that the use of force was just too dangerous and was ultimately the fall of the republic. The New Order might repress that knowledge to prevent negative public opinion on all ends. It's either that or
Do you even know how big Coruscant is? It's a city-wide planet with a population of 100 billion people. Even if you drove past the temple on your way to work you were still very statistically unlikely to ever see a Jedi. It's not like they had the temple open for visitors. As I said no one doubts that the Jedi existed. They're doubting their powers and the existence of the Force.
and keep in mind, Han and Motti are just two characters. The leaders of the Rebel Alliance still believed in the Force, and so did Max von Sydow's character
>And what when talking to Chewie about the clone wars Han was just like "Sure furball a little green toad decapitated a bunch of clones, whatever you say"
This also means that Chewie never bothered telling Luke, a jedi in training, any stories about the Jedi. Otherwise Luke would have known who Yoda was.
this is such bullshit, I have never met an isis fighter but that doesn't mean they don't exist and I never met a Nazi but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of them because I never saw them IRL
The fact of the matter is Jedis were supposed to have been much more smaller in the OT than what ended up happening in the PT and nobody called George on it
Clone Wars establishes that Obi-Wan and Grievous fought many times even though Episode III was clearly supposed to be their first meeting. What matters are the movies. When Ahsoka Tano or Han's black ex-wife show up in the movies, get back to me.
The "New EU" being "canon" is a marketing tactic to convince people to buy it.
>Clone Wars establishes that Obi-Wan and Grievous fought many times even though Episode III was clearly supposed to be their first meeting
Wrong, they only said it was Anakin's first meeting with Grievous. The showrunners said that because of this they weren't allowed to have them meet in the show.
ANH was written and filmed before the entire story was hammered out.
There's your answer. Probably not what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth.
It wouldn't have been as good if that Imperial said to Vader "Your sad devotion that religion that ended about 20 years ago has not recovered the stolen data plans."
You need to think on a much larger scale then a planetary one. If I lived as a moisture farmer in the outer rim and my planet wasn't caught up in the clone wars or ever visited by a Jedi in the last hundred years and you told me that there was a group of people who used laser swords and could crush things with their mind I'd call you a god damn liar. I think this applies to the majority of the galaxy at large as well. Maybe the inhabitants of the core worlds were more knowledgable about the Jedi but I doubt it.
He did start to believe because of stuff like that. In TFA he said he didn't use to believe but then he came to see that it was all true. It was probably his time with Luke that showed him.
Given that when Lucas made Star Wars, before the release, many believed it was bullshit and a stupid fairy tale, that wasn't going to succeed, I think maybe (just maybe) Lucas introduced both Han and that imperial faggot (don't know his name) scenes presenting two guys who had no faith in the Force to try to sync with the audience.
Here's one of the heroes that in the beginning doesn't believe in the Force and ends up saying 'may the Force be with you'.
Here's one imperial loser faggot that understimates the power of the Force, and here's what happens to him.
Like these were more meant to drive the audience to believe in the Force rather than presenting a universe were many didn't believe in it.
It's just an idea. Not saying that this was Lucas' actual purpose for sure.
Obi Wan says the Jedi were the guardians of peace in the old Republic and that he was a famous general in the Clone Wars, and Luke knew what he was talking about. All he didn't know was what the Force was.
True, but there's a lot of mystique with the Nazi's with regards to their evil science. A lot of things we know to be true, a lot of things are known to be true but not widely accepted. A few things are outright denied.
Hell, Germany has holocaust deniers. The US has people that think missiles and controlled demolitions dropped the twin towers. That wasn't even 20 years ago.
>Ewan McGregor makes a cameo
>Hayden Christiansen was planned to appear in VIII
>will likely appear before the end of the new trilogy
>millions of people consider the prequels to be the superior trilogy
>prequels are pseudo canon
Prequels are very canon.
>While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.
>six Star Wars episodes
Go ahead and argue that that's just lipservice, but that lipservice re-cemented them and TCW as canon.
>Luke is Rey's father
>Rey was hidden on Jakku after Kylo turned to the Dark Side
>Rey will be tempted by the Dark Side and fight Luke, thinking Luke killed her father
>"No, I am your father"
IT IS INEVITABLE
>propaganda from the empire
The Empire's propaganda was that the Jedi are real and really bad (they pinned the Clone Wars on them, even claiming Dooku was still working for the Jedi), and if you see a Jedi contact your local Imperial Office
bad decisions by JJ caused scenes to be removed from the movie that was crucial to shit like this.
The new republic doesn't believe the FO is as big as they actually are and thinks Leia is just an alarmist, there was a whole scene dedicated to this with a new character who is the senator we see on hosnian prime in the brief second it's in the movie.
But it got cut because they didn't want to reveal Leia before she meets up with Han, which was stupid honestly.
the general public has not knowledge of
the haitian revolution
basic current events
motherfuckers think the moon landing is a fucking myth
why is it so hard for you to believe people in a GALAXY would know details of anything
shit you're dense
God that was stupid. They should have had it that the clones were the elite forces, but still have soldiers from different Republic planets fight as well.
The Empire makes more sense, they have actual recruits from academies
Jesus was a well documented historical figure as well but fedoras will deny his existence when trying to deny the existence of God.
I don't think it's a stretch that Han is skeptical of the force but thinks he knows better than everyone and through that stubbornness he becomes the ignorant and closed minded fool.