>100 years ago murderous gangs in New York openly engaged in huge battles with various blunt and sharp weapons in broad daylight with people dying like it's a warzone
This was a thing?
The Gangs of New York was a non-fiction book written by a journalist, and was even more shocking than the movie that was loosely based on it.
New York slums were Africa-tier shitholes back then.
It actually was.
>Five Points is alleged to have sustained the highest murder rate of any slum in the world. According to an old New York urban legend, the Old Brewery, an overcrowded tenement on Cross Street housing 1,000 poor, is said to have had a murder a night for 15 years until its demolition in 1852
>The "Dead Rabbits" was the media designation for a branch of the "Roach Guards," a violent Irish gang. The Dead Rabbits Riot began when one faction destroyed the headquarters of the Bowery Boys at 26 Bowery on July 4, 1857. The Bowery Boys retaliated which led to a large-scale riot which waged back and forth on Bayard Street between Bowery and Mulberry Street.
Of course, like anything Hollywood they gave it their treatment, but it is somewhat based in reality.
they were all irish so noone really cared
sorta like blacks killing each other today
I don't recall a time certainly since the Renaissance in Europe where open gang wars were this common and entire cities controlled by such gangs in Europe.
Care to convince me otherwise? And no, we're not counting Muslim gangs of the last twenty years because Europe is devolving.
You understand Europe is far larger than the few countires which you are thinking of, right?
Even so, who are football hooligans? Who are the droves of Russians who fight for the purpose of fighting?
This shit is everywhere, you are a literal idiot.
Fine, western Europe, directly comparable to the USA since Europe's strength only ever came from France, Britain and Germany.
Football hooligans never have and never will control cities or districts.
Nor do they regularly fight to the death in the streets. Rarely there's shoving, maybe punching.
Those hooligan movies are utter bullshit you know.
also nyc was being flooded by immigrants and the stupidest ones just stayed right where they got off. they had to accept everyone. it was a lot harder to control people back then.
>Football hooligans never have and never will control cities or districts.
What? Neither did the people you are complaining of, you know this movie is nothing like history, right?
Where does it say that these gangs were in control of new york? Do you think drug dealers and their gangs controll the city? Because there is gang warfare fucking everywhere.
Even so, Europe had no gangs fighting to the death in battles. This is because Europe had proper states of law and order for centuries at that point while USA was still trying to become a nation like that.
Just saying, that shit is pretty far out for any first world European country's history. Even the middle ages had a very strong order, if you got out of line you Lord whacked you.
That's nations fighting nations. See we advanced from gang wars centuries ago so all we had was actual wars. See also the revolution of the Germanic states of 1871 to form the German empire.
Quite different from gang wars.
Europe in the Middle Ages had thousands of little principalities and dukedoms that constantly fought back and forth for scraps of land
The nation-state didn't emerge far later than you think
Yes, but they didn't operate completely outside the law unlike gangs in the 19th century. Those battles were really just one Lord laying claim to another. They were mini states within the state or in the case of HRE a confederation.
But not as archaic as chieftains.