>So why is it titled Alien: Paradise Lost? “Well, because we’re heading back to why and how and when the beast was invented,” Ridley said at The Martian premiere. “We’ll go back into the back door of the very first Alien that I did thirty years ago.”
Well, I thought Prometheus was about how and why the beast was invented.
Prometheus was not about the why and how of anything.
>Did they? I thought Eden was kept under guard by a sword or something.
The first angels we see, they destroy the garden. If you come across an angel in the Bible: run. They're generally here to fuck shit up.
>remember that terrifying creature in alien?
>well it's just a big dude in a suit.
after literally raping the space jockey imagine how bad scott is going to fuck up the xeno.
I was expecting more creatures similar in design to the original alien, i'm kinda tired of the original alien by now.
This, I demand more Giger Nightmare fuel for characters to be totally mindfucked by upon witnessing
scott is getting senile in his old days. it's like he doesn't unterstand what made alien interesting in the first place or how horror works.
solving the mystery and explaining the horror is not how it works, ridley.
Was he inspired by the 2nd circle of hell?
I don't think he cares that much about the story.
He doesn't write his own scripts, he barely even contributes to them. He comes from a painting background and that's what interests him: making a movie work visually.
>watch documentary about giger
>he has a constant scared look on his face
>they mention his art is a way for him to deal with his fears
>he basically lived in constant fear and what he painted is what he saw in his mind
now I understand why he always looked like he was on the verge crying
Ive always argued this to friends who defend the pleb >>64517148, it may look good but doesnt mean it is good, Prometheus for example although that didnt have much inspiration behind it, its as if they forgot about Giger
Ridley got the ball rolling for Alien due to his Story boards. I put the success of the film down the creative team around him, and that EVEN more so in Blade Runner
I could go into it more but the biggest supporting factor in this is that Ridley never really made anything that good after Blade Runner, Gladiator is okay but over rated and Kingdom of Heaven is pretty cool but thats it
The guy doesnt know how to begin creating something, only how to visualize after someone else has laid down the foundations (O'Bannon, Moebius, Syd Mead, Giger
Who the fuck cares? When I first saw the alien, I thought it was a terrifying creature because I had never seen anything like it before. It was almost the pure embodiment of evil. I didn't want to learn about it's fucking reproductive system and what it's predecessors were like. This origin tale retroactively removes the horror elements of the original film
Because the studio won't let him make a movie in that universe without forcing him to shoehorn in stuff to make people think it's a new Alien film when he's just trying to making a weird sci-fi movie. That xeno at the end of Prometheus was really shoehorned and unnecessary
it has some neat ideas and cool visuals, but is overall way too goofy. watch it but don't expect a horror movie.
Is it like an action flick or what? What's the vibe?
I caught a bit of AvP on TV once and it was a scene in the some dark corridor and the editing was so manic that I had to turn it off. It's the only film that visually gave me a headache.
>xenomorphs are the result of engineers being raped
So they didn't exist prior to Prometheus?
>What's the vibe?
It's well-made schlock. There are some good visuals here and there (the Kill Me sequence for example, or Ripley's alien child) and the cast is good, especially Dourif. It'll entertain you for its runtime and then you'll probably forget about it.
dude, I think you're explaining a little bit too much.
Remember when circle jerking, fat, brain damaged neckbeards on the worst board on the internet acted like anything and everything put into any shitty movie made in the 70s or 80s was sacred?
Prometheus is by far the best movie set in the Alien universe. Only literal morons would ever disagree. Big surprise half of you can't even type coherent sentences.
>“We’ll go back into the back door of the very first Alien that I did thirty years ago.”
>back door of the very first Alien
I didn't know I wanted to fuck an alien in the ass until now, Anon. Thanks for that.
action with lots of goofy/funny characters and dialogue. we have ron pearlman in this movie after all.
there is only one scene that changes the tone drastically and the movie goes really dark, which I won't spoil for you.
I have a pretty strong distaste for Aliens as well. At least it's still somewhat of a horror film. The fact that the best marines in the system can't kill the Aliens makes this still pretty intimidating. Very little rape innuendo compared to the original though.
>implying the marines entering the hive and ripley going after newt aren't the most intense and frightening moments of the entire franchise.
Lindelof and the studio fucked Prometheus. When it was Alien: Engineers it was a straight forward smart origin. Anything not shit in Prometheus is what's left over from the original Spaihts script. Clearly the studio knows they fucked up hence backtracking and directly tying the sequel to Alien again.
So it's like an Alien B-movie? I'll probably end up watching it at some point, I'll keep my expectations low.
I don't care about spoilers
That's the only Bond movie I haven't seen, but I webm of a scene and I thought it was a fanedit. It looked so disorienting.
just go watch it dude. it's the worst alien movie but still an enjoyable scifi action film featuring some really creepy imagery und ideas straight out of HR gigers head.
>we’re heading back to why and how and when the beast was invented
this is the worst fucking idea ever, how the fuck did he get the idea that it wasn't? does he literally not even know what's good about his good films and it turns out it was all just fucking random chance?
It's pretty sad. When you see his art, and you see the guy, you think he's a fucking psychopath that will kill you in his sleep. But in reality, he was a really gentle nice guy who was super passionate about his work.
iirc he didnt have much creative control in the first Alien. he was mostly responsible for bringing Giger's visual themes to life and making the movie flow nicely, not coming up with the actual ideas and themes behind it.
it's similar to how george lucas and peter jackson both fucked up their franchises after the got full creative control. people forget that the director has a very specific job and shouldnt be given full credit for when a movie or franchise turns out well
Ridley is a fucking hack and he wants to milk his only succesful franchise for all its worth
He HAS to put Alien in the title otherwise 99% of people won't know what the film is about or who he is or anything at all
So where the fuck do Predators fit into the equation?
Aliens get created and all of a sudden the Predators discover them and hunting them becomes the cool thing to do or what?
I'm guessing its time to shit all over the alien/predator mythology. fuck this gay earth
>what interests him: making a movie work visually
I'm OK with this
>Even though it is set years ahead of Alien, Prometheus takes place in the same world, and though Scott often talked about how the two were separated by a wide margin, we were always moving towards that.
hold on, I thought Prometheus was an indirect prequel to Alien? How come this says Prometheus takes place after Alien? Wtf?
They might have. Prometheus made little sense. Xenos might also come from space worms breeding with space corn cobs while covered in space orange jello. It would be consistent with Prometheus' "fuck it, whatever" story.
I'm fine with this too, but the problem is he keeps working with shit scripts. He should have enough of an interest in screenwriting where he can pick right ones, or correct a bad one where it's at least good.
This new Alien scripts is being written by two bona fide hacks and we'll probably be looking back at the good ol' days of Lindelof.
>AVP is canon
>shows xenomorphs thousands of years ago
>"lol, they weren't created until the 22nd century :) "
I'm not trolling. I've just never seen "ahead" used in that context before. Usually when I see "ahead," it means to be in front of something. In a chronological line, if a movie were to be ahead of another movie, it would take place after. Whereas if a movie is behind another movie, it takes place before.
They have no fucking clue what they're doing. Prometheus proved it. They baited us with an interesting premise and then completely dropped it for nonsense that was meant to be "mysterious."
Doing the same exact thing again, but putting the title to most important book written in the English language in your shitty sequel bait title is the living embodiment of pretentiousness.
It completely sissified the aliens
>remember that one alien who terrorized an entire crew?
>well fuck that, he was only part of the working class, here are the soldier class aliens. Oh look, they're dropping like flies
>it completely sissified the aliens
what? no it didn't. in the original Alien the crew are just space truckers basically, I don't think they even had weapons. in Aliens it's space marines.
>was highly intelligent
no it wasn't. we don't even see the alien that much really. they show him as an unfeeling killing machine whose only purpose is to reproduce. when Ripley finally finds him he's just goofily taking a nap there.
I mean I agree that people started seeing the xenomorph slightly differently once Aliens came out, but that's because it was a sequel, and you can't sustain that original mystique really.
>only how to visualize after someone else has laid down the foundations
That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as he's good at it, and there are very few people in film history as good as Ridley at taking a pre-existing vision and realising it on screen.
The problem is since he doesn't have a creative writing spark himself, he can't really tell when he's hired a mediocre screen writer, and this drags his films down.
I find AR unironically more unsettling and scary than any of the other Alien films.
Something about the colour grading and that fucking half human Alien still give me the willies.
In the original script for Alien, the space jockeys crashed on lv426 and their ship was moved on top of an underground temple lined with eggs. The space jockeys were the first victims.
You faggot. The space jockey was never terrifying in the first movie. The only scary thing in that film were the ship the eggs, face hugger and the xenomorph (and the emptiness of space). Anyone who knew anything about the story knew what was up with the space jockeys and a dead space jockey is about as scary as a piece of shit stuck to my heel. The living ones we saw in Prometheus are just as terrifying if not more so than the xenomorph. If it wasn't for Scott the Alien movies wouldn't fucking exist. So why don't you and all the other fucks who think they can backseat direct his next movie just fuck off with your suggestions and kindly suck my dick while you're at it?