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Was he really that bad?

I think not.
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He definitely wasn't good.
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Not at all

I've been secretly liking him all along and basically knew everybody else is just memeing

Finally we can all agree Jar Jar was actually a well-rounded, multi-faceted, many-layered, three dimensional, deep character
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>>64512495
As bad as what? Testicular cancer? AIDs babies? Race mixing?
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>Dellow felegates

Oh yeah, he was.
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>>64512753
>no fun allowed in my serious space opera with laser swords

Really, nerd?
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>>64512808
1. You watch chink cartoons, you're not allowed to have an opinion.

2. There's a difference between fun and absolutely terrible retardation.
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>>64512560
Agreed. I think most of us have grown up moved past the point of just following the crowd on hating Jar Jar now, and when you take a step back, Jar Jar was actually one of the most original and likeable characters of the OT.
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>>64512866
>1. You watch chink cartoons, you're not allowed to have an opinion.

Can you stop bullying me? Stop saying shit like that
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He was objectively better than c3po. I want the phantom menace was a bad movie meme to end.
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>>64512560
It's not his fault Qui-Gon was really, really, racist to him the entire time.
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>>64512943
Seriously, what is the appeal of anime?
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>>64513017
It's comfy if you like moe, it's cool if you like shonen

It's alive and creative unlike Western anime which stagnates since decades

Some anime movies are so good they compete with the best live action movies
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no more annoying than wookie retard yells and princess leia being obnoxiously tsundere for 3 films
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>>64513064
Sure, whatever you say.
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>>64513122
So?
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Can Episode I and II Anakin, the Ewoks, Maz Kanata, and Rey compete for worst character?
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Jar Jar is deep on so many levels. Its like poetry. Episode 1 is the most patrician star wars movie there is.
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>>64512495
Nice try George lucas.
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>>64513064
>It's cool
>It's alive and creative
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>>64513171
Saying it is creative makes me doubt, since everything about anime is either over the top action or cute girls doing cute things.
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What the fuck were they thinking with his character design? Just unbelievable that someone somewhere thought he looked endearing.

It's the weird eyes sticking out of his head that make him so disgusting and offputting, I think. His entire character is just an abomination.

That being said, people who say TPM was awful because of him are wrong, he's just a smokescreen that hides the fatal flaws that were the complete lack of basic good story telling in TPM.
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>>64513583
Jar Jar is annoying but visually tolerable. Check the singers in the edited versions of RotJ for fuck awful gouge your eyes out garbage.
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He was pretty shit.

But more imaginative than the shitty thing Simon Pegg was playing.
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He was unnecessary and failed to be funny as intended.

But if you think he ruined the movie, you're bitching about litter on the sidewalk while there's a twelve car pile-up in the street.
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>>64513863
>more imaginative
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>>64513971
tell me anything about 'Simon Pegg alien' beyond 'portions'
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>>64514049
idiot
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Maz was worse

At least Lucas made Jar Jar fit mechanically and thematically into the movie's main plot.

Maz Kanata was nothing and then disappeared
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>>64513017
For one, most of it isn't as badly drawn and animated as samurai jack
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>>64514226
well, anyone reading this knows who the idiot is.
you obviously realise that the generic alien played by Pegg might as well have been a cardboard cutout so you have to respond in such a pathetic manner. Rather like a spoiled child, in fact.
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>>64514270
mechanically, she give rey the lazer sword

thematically, she tells rey to stop dwelling in the past and look towards the future instead, which is kind of an overarching theme of the movie

>jar jar
>looka, meesa step on bantha poo doo!
Which did fit thematically, as the prequels were literally shit.
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>>64514270
Maz is damn close to being a laughable Magical Negro trope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

"The Magical Negro is a supporting stock character in American cinema who is portrayed as coming to the aid of a film's white protagonists.[1] Magical Negro characters, who often possess special insight or mystical powers, have long been a tradition in American fiction.[2]

Spike Lee, while discussing films with students at Washington State University and at Yale University, said he was dismayed at Hollywood's decision to continue using the premise; he noted that the films The Green Mile and The Legend of Bagger Vance used the "super-duper magical Negro".[3][4][5]

Critics use the word "Negro" because it is considered archaic, and usually offensive, in modern English. This underlines their message that a "magical black character" who goes around selflessly helping white people is a throwback to stereotypes such as the "Sambo" or "noble savage"."
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>>64514440

Shiiiit and Maz was played by a black gal, right?
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>>64514572
that's what makes it worse, although it's a CGI character
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>>64514572
Yup

Also see Morpheus from Matrix for an even more blatant modern example
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>>64512495

He was that bad. But Kylo Ren is worse.

Mostly because Jar Jar is a secondary, and Kylo the main villain.
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>>64514696
TPM didn't even have a main villain
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>>64514657
>Also see Morpheus from Matrix for an even more blatant modern example

Nah, Morpheus is too developed to fit the trope. He's black Obi-Wan who doesn't die.
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Yes yes he was

Come on lets not do this, dont be so fucking contrarian you are about to defend Jar Jar Binks
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>>64514798
The Oracle is the Magic Negro, I'm afraid to say.

completely blatant
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>>64514657
I think you mean the Oracle
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>>64514432
Mechanically, Rey could have received the saber from anyone or by chance. Thematically, we know absolutely nothing about Maz aside from Han's brief introduction yet she is erroneously characterized as some wise mentor despite never showing this to the audience. Furthermore, themes are carried out throught a work. Jar Jar was there in the beginning and end, Maz literqlly disappeared.
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>>64514270
>Maz
I'm trying to forget.
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>>64513017
Nothing. It's surface level garbage masquerading as something grander than it actually is. It's about the same level of depth as the Star Wars prequels. Funny, you can usually tell that when a person enjoys one, they enjoy the other.
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In the edits that shut him the fuck up, he's actually kind of endearing in a weird way. He could have been the Chewbacca of the prequels if he was handled right. What could have been.
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dellow felegates :D
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You guys may have memed too hard in some places
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When you think about it The Phantom Menace was a good movie compared to the other two disasters that followed it.
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>>64514964
Chewie never runs his mouth though because no-one but Han can understand him

the very fact that Jar Jar can speak english automatically makes him fucking annoying
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>>64514379
>a cruel taskmaster alien with a vague imperial connection that speaks little and holds sway over the locals in his junkyard
Vs
>a magical negro stereotype whose very voice is irritating and serves only to make poop jokes while trying to blind the audience to the fact that TPM's plot is a trainwreck
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>>64514049
Greedy cruel, seemed pretty cold hearted. A life time of placing value on junk turned him into a bitter old man.

I bet everyone one if those lmao's were just waiting for him to die of space diabetes.
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>>64515050
Sorry not magical negro, I meant minstrel.
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>>64515050
>TPM's plot is a trainwreck
>implying TFA's plot wasn't
>this is what anon actually believes
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>>64512986

Qui-Gon sensed he was a Sith Lord, that's why.
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He was better than Yoda in the prequels. If Yoda had been an original character designed for the prequels, everyone would have hated that faggot.
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>>64515034
No
It was the same shit
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>>64514049
he was treacherous, as shown by the fact that he tried to steal BB8

he was greedy and stingy by the fact that he paid so little

probably had a cruel and vindictive streak too since he seemed to enjoy screwing rey over in a petty way
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>>64515089
>NO YOU'RE WRONG
>memespeak
/sp/ has better discussion than this
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>>64515048
I don't know how other edits do it, but the Anti-Cheese version dubs over the lines they couldn't remove with alien language + English subtitles. It goes a long way. Not as good as if they had meant for it to be that way, but it's a good solution as far as making the movie less cancerous.
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>>64515048
>english

He speaks his own gunganbonics version of english
>yfw you realise Jar jar is a satire of the modern negro, clumsy, stupid and useless
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>>64515120
wow.
some vague surface inferences
No-one has even tried the obvious rebuttal and told us the character's name or race.

He was a 'bad alien' who was a 'big meany' to Rey. amazing characterisation and imagination :)
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>>64515120
no, he tried to BUY BB8.
Didn't even get off his ass and try to steal it. The cunt hardly moved a muscle in all those scenes
lmfao
'man-in-rubber-suit' - but practical effects are the best right!
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He was almost the best thing that happened to the series as a whole by far.

Unfortunately George Lucas chickened out and didn't make him into the best plot twist of all time that he was supposed to be.
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>>64515138
Literally never said you're wrong though, pointed out how you mentioned TPM's dogshit plot in your arguments but didn't include TFA's

also,
>memearrows
>/sp/
>being this salty
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>>64515274
hes goofy.
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>>64512560
this

we finally grew up
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Please, if you think the prequels are anything but shitty just watch them first and then the real deal. The movies have almost nothing incommon excluding the fucking POTTERY which is pretty cool.
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>>64515599
Indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs
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>>64515599

The prequels are better then the originals. They have Jar Jar in them.
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>>64515454
>>64515655
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>>64515599
>Please, if you think the prequels are anything but shitty just watch them first and then the real deal.
Nah. Originals weren't that good. You just have nostalgia goggles. Han Solo, Luke and Leia made for a fun adventuring party, but that was about all the appeal that the originals had.
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>>64515599
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>>64512560
jesus christ tv
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>>64512495
>>64513064

>unlike Western anime
> Western anime
> Western
> Anime
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>>64515850
Jar Jar a qt.
Cunnilingus expert too lel.
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>>64515454

If Jar Jar turned out to be evil and working with Palps, I've had an orgasm.
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>>64512495
I think my biggest problem with Jar Jar is actually just that between his voice, his Jamaican-esque dialogue and the sound editing, it's really hard to hear what he's saying most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBPXdhd5B8Y
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>>64516951
>If Jar Jar turned out to be evil and working with Palps, I've had an orgasm.
Honestly, It'll have redeemed the entire prequel trilogy in my eyes, even with the botched edits that gave jar jar a back seat in the second half of episode 2 and episode 3. They've left all the opportunity there for an unprecedented reveal in episode 8 or 9 and it'll be a crying shame if they don't make use of it then at the very least.
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>>64515850

> Those DSL
> That DSF

BRB need to fap.
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>>64516951
>asks for emergency power as planned
>jar jar betrays papls and requests it for himself
what was his endgame.
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>>64516951
>>64517072

Why make Jar Jar work with Palps?

Why don't make him Darth Plagueis?

Then showcase a part of Ep. 2 where they are wondering why he dissapeared.

Then a big reveal.
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>>64517087

What does DSL and DSF mean?
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>>64517170

> DSL
> Dick sucking lips

> DSF
> Dick sucking face

I need some fellatio
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>>64517072
>there are people who actually unironically like the Darth Jar Jar joke theory
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>>64517351
>joke
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That JarJar's positive traits are devalued is not the fault of the film, or the character, but of those who fail to recognize them.

Quigon calls him brainless, and Jar Jar responds "I speak!" Quigon then snaps back that "the ability to speak does not make you intelligent." And of course, Quigon is totally wrong. Of course being capable of speech means intelligence - it goes straight back to the Turing Test imagery in A New Hope. Fans caught up in the Jedi ideology take what Quigon says at face value, and have simply accepted that JarJar is objectively subhuman.

The focus on JarJar's speech is crucial to the character, down to the 'random' gag where his tongue is paralyzed. See also the gag where Quigon grabs his tongue to chastise his intolerable behaviour. Jar Jar's various alien tics make him the perfect target for racism.

There's a great dynamic between JarJar and Quigon where he treats him with utter contempt. Jar Jar, for his part, is skeptical of the force - literally calling it bullshit at one point. And he's aware of the racism against his people, blaming it on fear of the Gungans' Grand Army - not so much that their army can threaten the Republic, of course, but that it demonstrates their resistance to assimilation into the liberal multiculture.

Jar Jar might be naive, but he's not callously indifferent like the others. When he gets tasered by a cop for no reason, he shouts "how rude!" - and that's also his response to learning that slaves are implanted with remote-detonation explosives to prevent escape. Calling it 'rude' is an understatement, but nobody else even blinks an eye.

With Quigon immediately established as a bullying racist at the start of the film, it's pretty clear what alien Darth Maul is getting revenge for.
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>>64517513
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>>64517141
>Why don't make him Darth Plagueis?
That's exactly what I hope they do with Jar Jar. It would honestly be the most awesome reveal in movie history.
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>>64512495
I'd bang him.
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>>64517644
He was supposed to be but the fans hated him so much that Lucas pussied out and made Dooku the dark lord
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Okay, /tv/, time to tone it down with the contrarian meme.
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>>64517678
>He was supposed to be but the fans hated him so much that Lucas pussied out and made Dooku the dark lord
The fans should all go commit collective suicide then over their terrible decision.
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>>64517798
I don't think I could have tolerated
>And now, young Skywalker
>YOUSA WILL DIE
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>>64517824
LOL
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>>64517618
The ability to post does not make you intelligent.
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>prequel apologetics
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>>64517950
Nah, it's just that everyone has suddenly realised how the sequels were actually not shit.

Not great, but not shit at all.
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>>64512495
He could've been really cool, he's a pretty important character in episode 1. Just imagine that if instead of being a bumbling retard with the worst voice ever they made him a badass like this guy. Kids still would have liked it and the movie would be 100x better. Just a few simple changes would've made TPM really good.
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>>64516217
>>64516236

But what do the prequels have? Other than Jar Jar.

If Darth Jar Jar had happened I would've given myself permission to enjoy the prequels while high.
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>>64512495
he was bad becouse he is a sith lord
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>>64514316
Don't talk shit about SJ or I'll fight you.
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>>64518068
>not die
>SACRIFICE

That guy was based as fuck in TCW 2bh
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I want the colo clautists to leave.
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>>64518098
>But what do the prequels have? Other than Jar Jar.
>If Darth Jar Jar had happened I would've given myself permission to enjoy the prequels while high.
I'm in the same boat as you. I just hope that that theory is true, because without it, the entire plot of the prequels is irredeemable shit.
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>>64513017
superior animation than weeb shot here
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>>64518068
>Just a few simple changes would've made TPM really good
I disagree. Phantom Menace needed a major re-haul to make it work
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>>64512560
SO MUCH THIS.

Whoever says Jar Jar is there "for the kids" or calls him a "comic relief character" is ignorant. JJ is there for the real audience, the samurai movies connoisseurs (the real Lucas target) and only a deep knowledge of this genre can lead to a proper appreciation of this underrted character.

tl;dr there's a Jar Jar in every samurai movie, Jar jar is actually a great character which evolves along the prequels and if you don't get it you're a pleb
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Jar Jar was infinitely more fleshed out than Maz Kanata

This is fact
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>no Darth Jar Jar
>no OB-1 Kenobi
>no clone army of Jedi

Are the fans the the true villains of the prequels they ruined everything .
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