Sherlock the abdominal bride discussion

>>64500843
3 or maybe 2 episodes

is he really back?

Just finished watching this about a hour ago...I felt they jumped back and forth too much, I couldn't keep track whether we were in Sherlock's mind, in the Victorian era or in modern times.

Was there a lot of feminist agenda bullshit or was that just me?

bride was qt, wuld fuk

>>64500843
The waterfall scene at the end was weird and nonsensical (yes I know what it's referencing)
I don't think they should of added the modern day bits and tied it in with the series they should of made it stand alone

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>>64500843
>somehow thinking that dressing women up as the KKK on some retardedly convoluted level would appease SJWs
>fourth wall breaking
>it was all a dream and I was on drugs
>crossdressing
No offence but it was retarded.

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>>64500843
fixt ur shit image m8

Sherlock got really shit a few episodes into Season 2

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>>64500928
She was qter in Jekyll and Hyde.

>>64500953

The thing with hooper and the mustache felt forced as fuck.

Are you telling me Sherlock didn't notice that? But somehow Watson did?

I have never seen a show jump the shark this much

>>64501067
I guess it makes sense if it's considered from the point of view that everything is happening in Sherlock's brain and in dreams people don't always realize details in a dream state, but it would have been much better at least in my opinion, if they hadn't tried so hard to shoehorn it into the modern series three quarters of the way through, especially with the periods of 'waking up'.

>>64501160

this

shoulda left it standalone, it would have served the story better

but they wanted a way to try to develop the plot a little for the next season

which should be here in a year or two depending on when dr strange finishes filming

>The moral of the story is that it's okay to kill men if they lie to a woman

>The entire fucking mystery - which directly caused the deaths of three people - is because some guy lied to a woman about marrying her
>Not even rape, or threats, or physical harm. A lie. She got tricked
>Everyone suddenly starts spouting about how they 'have to win' because they're somehow right in this

How do you even justify this shit? Was there some plot point I missed?

>>64501448

you don't need a plot line

feminazis and their beta cuck lapdogs will eat up le strong woman meme

transgender fags will eat up the dress up shit Hooper was doing

its reddit the episode on reddit the show

and its a damn shame because season 1 was fantastic

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Would you?

I guess I was the only one who liked it!

>>64501067
Sherlock didn't really pay attention to Molly in present times desu

>>64501699
How can you justify >>64501448

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>>64501603
>Homosexuals are psychopaths
>Women are KKK murdering radicalists
>It's ok to kill men for no reason whatsoever because women feel offended
>Transgenders only exist because they feel insecure about themselves
>Irene isn't bisexual, she only wants dick
>Adaptation of the Five Pip Problem is somehow more triggering than the original
BRAVO MOFFAT
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>>64501603
Say that again

>post yfw Sherlock deludes himself more and more that's he from 19th century in series 4 you

requesting that "how intelligent people think" Sherlock pasta

>>64501648

i dont know with that stache, but she's qt as fuck without it

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>>64500843
>the abdominal bride
>abdominal

>>64500936
>yes I know what it's referencing
I don't get it

Like fake falling when you wake up or something?

Watched it up until it started shoving Mary the unappreciated housewife and Molly the crossdressing woman trying to get ahead in a man's world in my face.

I don't need feminism in my detective stories, yet it seems every show on the BBC is completely full of it.

Dream___________ Watson was better than modern one. I hope he gets back.

>>64500843
I think im dropping this show after this ep

>1,5 h filler episode...
>Laced with feminist propaganda...sig...i cant even get away from this shit in my entertainment?...fuck it im Joining #gamergate
>Those things aside...ep was still boring as fuck

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>>64500843
>muh feminism

more like the abominable episode desu senpai

>I am Sher LOCKED
fucking hell, really

>>64502527

The show desperately needs some new writers, because this was the laziest attempt at a episode so far

It's like Benedict showed up randomly and they had 15 minutes to pen the episode, so they drew the most random ideas from hashtags #feminism, #lgbt and #sherlockfanfic

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Not a native speaker here, at times it was REALLY hard to follow.. am I stupid? Or was it a convoluted mess?

>>64502634

Nope, it wasn't just you.

I am under impression this whole thing was just a dream?

Can someone also explain the list thing between Sherlock and his brother? What's written on there?

>>64502654
I think it was a list of all the drugs he took that day.

>>64502634
What was convoluted about it?

>>64502634
>>64502654
everytime sherlock wants to take drugs or something he writes a list of everything he took

jumped around too much

im still not sure what the fuck the episode was about

>>64502683

The whole jumping and the list thing...

>>64501448
>Not even rape, or threats, or physical harm. A lie.
the strong hyper-competent women need to be coddled and told they're big superman 24-7

it just happens there are really weak men who fall for it and need to imagine women are oppressed and pressed beneath them to see them as nicer and innocent

>>64502770
The list was practically spoonfed to the viewer with multiple examples shown to infer the meaning from.
What was convoluted about the jumping?

>>64501906
it's at least slightly amusing how the hatred for men spills into gays-are-hysteric-creepy-queens as well as a tumblr yaoi gayshit

it just makes sense once you realize feminists are the equivalent of r9k men, they just can get cock more easily

>>64500906

Not just you, there was some clear feminist agenda stuff ("this is a war we have to lose", "there's an entire secret society of women who murder oppressive men but we'll let it slide and won't arrest anyone because they're underprivileged")

Also I swear to fuck if moff actually does bring moriarty back alive after this entire episode trying to establish that he's dead

Is Moriarty gay?

Sherlock seems like a homophobe

>>64502584
>The show desperately needs some new writers, because this was the laziest attempt at a episode so far
I personally think this is the beginning of the end of that show, every episode from now on is going to have yo have some social commentary that aligns with social justice....They just broke that wall, so there can only be more of it in the future.

Next ep
>Sherlock goes to dreamworld again, and investigates a murder at a cottonfarm during the days of the slavetrade.
>Turns out the white slaveowners wife and one of the slaves killed him, but it was ok because he was a horribel person, Sherlock agrees to pin the murder on the areas competing cottonfarmer, whos an even more evil white man
>Sherlock and Watson both turn to the camera look straight at it and say "slavery is wrong, and you should feel bad"
>The End
>Wait 3 years gor next ep

>>64502256

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichenbach_Falls

>>64502634
convoluted but without one moment where sherlock solves anything

mary simply just take the two to the church fucksake. The only "sherlock spills the secret" is him giving a feminist reason why the men deserved to die

>>64502867
I read Sherlock stories before

How is the fall and the dream are connected? Sherlock needed to wake up through the fall?

>>64500992
There were only three episodes in season 2 and s2e3 The Reichenbach Fall is objectively the peak of the show
It divebombed super hard in S3 by not even bothering to explain how sherlock survived ("what's the point, you'll just be disappointed anyway :^)") and way WAY too much tumblr fanbase pandering

The special was an improvement but it still had a bit too much of an agenda and relied too much on special effects with the doctor who tier fake waterfall and moriarty's CGI blown out head, the show has always been at its best when it doesn't need to rely on scene compositing special effects (those visual things to show text messages are fine, not a CGI wolf)

>>64502857

if you added

>cue "The Blacker the Berry" as the video fades out

it would be perfect

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I don't know, what I really liked about the previous episodes was that they were smart and cleverly constructed but all the way comprehensible. This episode was going too far.

>>64502889
Sherlock's on some mad trip
His drug induced mind put him and Moriarty in the pairing he recovered in period specific clothing, A nod to the originals

Why do people have so much trouble with this episode?

>>64502102

>cartoon wolf straight out of a computer game episode
>patrician taste

'no'

There were a few really great scenes this episode, but also some really obnoxious shit (in other words, typical Sherlock)

Good:
>Refreshing, they do a good job with era-appropriate Sherlock on the whole
>The initial mystery and set-up was actually really cool
>the "scary" bits weren't cringeworthy
>dialogue is as sharp as ever

Bad:
>Moriarty appeared, in excess, for literally no reason. I fucking hate Andrew Scott. He's dead. He had nothing to do with the plot.
>Lines like "Wear the damn hat, you're Sherlock Holmes." A few tongue-in-cheek, meta-humor zingers are fine, but they did way too many in this episode.
>Overt feminist pandering kind of lessened the impact of the "reveal"
>The back-and-forth structure didn't work for me. I would have prefered a standalone mystery set in the past.
>what the FUCK was with those transitions?

>>64502973
whole episode was well done and really spooky at times

that's why I liked it the best

>>64502856

He did 'pretend' to be gay in one episode

>>64502931
>smart and cleverly constructed
People don't notice when they've just been knifed in the kidney and a dress belt somehow keeps in all the blood.

>>64502871
>mary simply just take the two to the church
we're in a really bad spot when we dont need to think or solve shit "because mommy is super clever".

(seriously, fuck every moment where watson is a dumb cuck who needs to be put in his place while sherlock and mary wink at each other at how brilliant she is)

>>64502998

It went too far beyond suspension of disbelief, sherlock is too grounded in reality for CGI monsters to be acceptable even as a hallucination

It was basically professor layton live action edition

>>64503025
no

>>64502931

>smart and cleverly constructed

Sherlock jumps off a roof, but lol there were people wearing masks and I'm not really dead it was all a ruse.

It started off promisingly but because Moffat is a retard cuck aiming for the lowest common denominator it's been on a speedy shit train to shit town ever since.

Fuck, my girlfriend likes it and she's borderline retarded.

>>64503025
>sherlock is too grounded in reality for CGI monsters to be acceptable even as a hallucination
that was such bullshit and complete tone-deaf

>>64503025
What CGI?

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>its a murder is a-okay because women can do literally nothing wrong episode

Any reason why she kept shouting FOR YOU?

>>64503077
what shoes are those?

It's weird, I like Sherlock, but now it's had 5 bad episodes and 4 good ones. More bad than good. Weird.

>>64502996
>>Lines like "Wear the damn hat, you're Sherlock Holmes." A few tongue-in-cheek, meta-humor zingers are fine, but they did way too many in this episode.

>the promo stuff makes it seem like era appropriate Holmes wearing era appropriate clothes like the Granada Series did
>the usage of that bit in the teasers made it seem like theyd make a joke to Holmes stereotypical outfit
>instead he just wears that outfit all the time anyway even in the city

that line was literally pointless. he was wearing that outfit for most of the episode anyway, and that was even without going to the countryside

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>>64502973
>>64503025
>>64503063
itt pleb police

>>64502929
Blacker the Berry is more about black on black violence and false pride. They should rather opt for something from Watch the Throne or go for Alright if they want to depict something from Kendrick that deals with white one black violence.

>>64503107
go back to your mindpalace's cuckshed

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>>64503076

This piece of shit

>>64503115
>white on black violence.
uwotm8

90% of all interracial violence is black on white

>>64503107

Reichenbach Fall is the legitimate best episode and the scene on the top of the building is without a doubt one of the best moments of television this decade

How much longer do you think we'll have to wait for another truly great Sherlock Holmes adaptation?

Granada Show was great, but man, that was made in the 80's...

>Feminist Cultist create a legend about a ghost to scare the patriarchy
>Uses this legend murder whoever they feel deserves to die
>Sherlock is somehow just fine with this, and says "This is a war we must loose, lets just let them keep doing what they are doing"

Was i really tired when i watched this last night or did this just happen?
I thought /tv/ was just meming again when i heard about this ep

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>>64503123
your taste is shit senpai

>>64503145
>without a doubt one of the best moments of television this decade
damn sherlock fans can be so cringy

it's alright tv shlock, barely above csi or law and order shit

>>64503134
Oh fuck, that's what I get for not checking the context of the original post. I thought they were calling the spookiness in the most recent episode well-done, rather than the hound shit.

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>tfw literal fanfiction is better than Sherlock

S3 was pretty piss poor and this gives me no hope for S4. Guess Sherlock is dead.

>>64502998
>I liked it the best
>patrician
'no'

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>>64503186

It would have been better if episode was a filler but they fucked up while trying to include cannon story to it
Anyway first half was good

>>64501067
>Are you telling me Sherlock didn't notice that? But somehow Watson did?

Watson wasn't really there, bro.

>>64502871
>without one moment where sherlock solves anything
seriously, how is no one discussing this?

mary just taking the two is literally "feminism exmachina" and shows how retarded male writers are when they coddle women into superhuman plot cheats. It replaces the actual crime solving

>>64503091
she was a big girl

to be fair, while on the whole it all kind of sucked and the ending was all ridiculous, I kind of liked the idea that if the thought of moriarty in his brain eats away at him, the thought of watson does the opposite. the whole "Moriarty is the virus and watson the antivirus was stupid, but it was kind of cute.

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>>64502088

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>that another show about detective in a modern London
>first season was in 2010
>like in Sherlock
>second in 2012
>like in Sherlock
>third in 2013
>uh
>fourth in winter 2015-2016
>uh like Sherlock's special

KEKED HAHA

>just get me Sherlock's ripoff senpai!

>>64503273
>"ok i need a convincing way for them to get top secret information x or to find the criminal secret conspiracy lair
>nah just say "woman did it" and no one can question it

it's kinda brilliant actually

>>64503144
I don't want to meme it out or go into silly roleplay arguments about politics you wouldn't dare speak of in real life because you don't actually believe them wholeheartedly, but I was referring to police brutality or institutionalized violence perceived by the black community.

>>64503305
you can cut a lot of corners and budget that way

(as well as thought and fun)

>>64501448
>The moral of the story is that it's okay to kill men if they lie to a woman

I don't think there was a moral to the story. It was an excuse to do Victorian-era with a fig-leaf of investigating whether Moriarty could have faked his death and a pro-feminist message tacked on somewhat clumsily. The actual confrontation is a bit of Holmes's speechifying and then Moriarty shows up again.

If you read the original stories, Holmes lets a couple of murderers go free - including a woman who'd been blackmailed by Milverton and winds up shooting him in the face.

>>64503017

I'd completely forgotten that she was even in the show when she showed up, then the horrors of season 3 all came flooding back to me.

Even my gf agrees that she's pointless feminist pandering.

>>64503279
Pretty much how I felt. Sherlock having his mind palace and being able to simulate "experiments" there is a very neat idea. Dream within a dream got really fucking tired though, however since he OD'ed, I can sort of accept it.

I might have become a fanboy and now try to defend shit writing by poor reasoning. Oh well, we won't have new episodes until next year anyway.

>>64503340
>After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

>Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.
i know tumblrinas get off on rape fantasies and defend the most violent agressive men but cmon

>before season 3
>get hyped they're adapting "Watson is married" theme
>got Mary Sue and beta c u c k Watson instead
LMFAO

>>64503291
It's funny because it's 100% accurate

How the fuck are people still watching this pile of shit after they failed to explain how Sherlock faked his death?

Worse still, they made an episode where they made fun of all the people who actually attempted to deduce how he faked his death.

>>64502889
>How is the fall and the dream are connected? Sherlock needed to wake up through the fall?

I don't think it was a connection as such, just a sort of cheeky callback to the handwaving of how exactly he survived the fall from the roof. They never actually said, so here, they have Holmes make a little reference to "knowing how to do this" without specifying what he's doing. It was a mythology gag, sort of.

>>64503458
but they explain it at the end of that episode anon

>>64503412
dont worry, she'll make your girlfriend like her after the camera cuts to her on her cellphone and she says "there, done"

which Sherlock was better senpai?

Dream one or himself from modern times? Can he delude himself and stay Dream one forever?

>>64503145
>Reichenbach Fall is the legitimate best episode

Agree.

>the scene on the top of the building is without a doubt one of the best moments of television this decade

I felt like they fudged it a bit. Like they had too much of a sense of its own epicness. It's not that it was bad, but I didn't think it was nearly as good as it could have been. Too much Moffatian bathos.

I have a thing for villains who kill themselves out of spite for the protagonist so they never get the pleasure of having defeated them
I sincerely hope moff doesn't fuck that up 4 years later

>>64503502
No it wasn't

>>64503588
have you watched Megamind?

>>64503448
Women are smarter, stronger and should be in charge of men, haven't you learned that yet?

But seriously, Moffat is pandering tumblr so hard it's actually scary.

>>64503603

That was different, whatshisface faked his death because he wanted out rather than to spite megamind

>>64503662
he should stop pandering, its pathetic, they walk all over him they dont even like it

he has a few based tweets where he triggers the SJWs I don't know whether it was on purpose or if it was accidental

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Is this any good?

>>64503678
is Moffat done or we have hope?

>>64500843
>it literally was all a dream

>>64503678

They're from years ago now, he shut down his twitter

Moffat's the special kind of cuck where he believes in the feminist ideology and tries to convey it through his writing but feminists endlessly shit on him for not doing it right, I'm amazed he hasn't given up on it yet

>>64503685
It's like watching an old friend lose his mind and then die

>>64503685
old fart does nothing: the film

>>64503711
>>64503720
So it's like that parody where Sherlock is in an old people's home suffering from dementia?

I'm not a big enough fan of detective genre to read the books, but I still want something to watch once in a while related to Sherlock.

>Robert Downhere Jr's first Sherlock is now better than BBC's Sherlock
for fuck sake

seriously, how hard it is to do a Moriaty that isnt a dweeby manic queen failed joker?

>>64503781
if you up for modern stuff just watch picrelated
>>64503296

>>64500843
elementary is better

>>64503836
too american and actiony desu

>>64503836
Mitchell and Webb's Holmes is better than elementary

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2557eq_that-mitchell-and-webb-look-old-holmes_shortfilms

>>64503855
>not liking moriarty being sherlock's sexy blonde female love interest

u gay, bro?

>>64503007
that fucking shit

>>64503685
the PBS holmes is better

How did Sherlock survived though?
They gave us a tip that they used someone's who looked like Sherlock corpse.

>>64503836
>Watson is female
>Moriarty is female
>Mrs. Hudson is transgender
It's literal tumblr bait show.

And he way Sherlock solves mysteries is just as retarded as in BBC Sherlock
>Judging by these burns on the fingers which could have only been caused by an old prewar radiator and the distinctive smell of Ethiopian food spice, the kidnapper must be hiding here...

>>64503966

moff realised he had written himself into a corner and could never live up to expectations so he just chose not to

>>64503781
>I'm not a big enough fan of detective genre to read the books
Probably be wasted on you

>>64503989
>Mrs. Hudson is transgender
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMFAO

really? rofl

>>64503966
he levitated

>>64503458
Except people weren't deducing anything.
Why are everyone so eager to misuse the term "deduce" as soon as sherlock holmes is brought up?
He doesn't even use deduction.

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>>64504005
Yep

>>64504005
yes, and sherlock says, while looking at the camera and her, you are a beautiful WOMAN

>>64504035

"Deduce" = "Figure out" in the popular lexicon.

Brilliant figuring out, Watson.

>>64503989
You forgot

>let's have le anonymous deus ex machina helping sherlock every other episode
I admit the shoe on head thing made me smile.

>>64504035
It's like complaining that people say literally when they don't really mean that x is 100% literally y.

Autistic

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>>64504064
>in the popular lexicon

>>64504097
No, it isn't.

>>64503989
>Mrs. Hudson is transgender
Jesus Christ, I watch this show and I wasn't even aware about that.

>>64504098
>le educated and sophisticated

I bet you were born in the wrong generation.

>>64504160
>le memester

I bet you despise le normies.

>>64503893
Man... That was just sad.

>>64504169
>using 'normies' unironically

Yeah, you were definitely born in the wrong generation. Nobody maintains the standards anymore! Words are permitted to have colloquial meanings! Meanings which differ from the ACTUAL meaning, the one listed in the dictionary BEFORE the colloquial one, which is how you know it's the PROPER meaning! That wouldn't have happened in 1975.

>watching sherlock after season 3
yeah I don't understand /tv/ at all. All they do is talk about shows they hate lol

>>64504226
yeah it's fucking heartbreaking

it was their final episode

>>64504001
That's a bit harsh. I used to read detective/mystery books when I was young. I mostly read hard sci-fi now though.

>>64503823
Seems interesting, I'll look into it.

>>64503963
>PBS holmes

Care to clarify?

>>64503025
>It was basically professor layton live action edition
I don't know about you, but you just made it sound even more awesome.

>>64504035
i beleive in LOGIC

>>64503007
I remember this one story, a true story, about an elderly woman who was walking to the store. A ruffian, some youth ran up to her and "hit" her in the back. She kind of fell over than got back up. He ran off and she thought nothing of it. She walked to the store and her shoulder was hurting her something fierce, but she just walked on, and into the store and around for a while. THEN THE CLERK RAN UP AND SAID OH SHIT ARE YOU OKAY FUCK FUCK FUCK CALL AN AMBERLAMPS

There was a knife sticking out of her neck.

People don't feel the weirdest fucking things.

>>64504242
>unironically
>prefaced by "le"
Are you actually retarded?

>>64504323
Someone jabbed me really hard in the shoulder with something in mid conversation and I didn't feel it at all, and the guys around me were like wtf and thought I was trying to be an edgelord when I said I legitimately didn't feel anything.

>>64503007
>People don't notice when they've just been knifed in the kidney
People don't even notice being shot though.
In fact, the only reason people fall down and shit when you shoot them anywhere but in the head region is because they think they're supposed to.
Getting stabbed and shot is so abrupt and intense that your body doesn't even know how to process it at first and by the time it does, shock will likely have put all of that on the backburner anyway.

>>64500843
I thought it was shit_____

How did sherlock get the drugs?

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>>64504323
>i heard a story once a long time ago maybe
was the ruffian a little hairy fella?

>>64503685
Yes. It's not a huge mystery movie though,it's a character driven film.

>>64504496
kek

>>64504363
are you autistic?

>>64504475
Mary hacked into a delivery company's service orders to put a order in picking up a drug dealer's stash

>>64504475
Keistering.

>>64504565
w-why anon?

>>64504475

Deep web/homeless network/both

>>64504475
He doesn't. He use his mind palace to stimulate the effects of taking drugs.

>>64504603
remember that pic "how to tell you're an autist"?

one was if a person doesn't feel pain

>>64504671
not him but stabbing and getting shot can be really weird things.

depending on the situation or where on the body people might not notice at first

>>64504475

What's to say he doesn't just keep them on himself at all times? And the cops who arrested him were too dumb to check?

>>64504671
Nah it was a weird circumstance for me too. Just one of those things I guess, like >>64504695 said

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>The Great Game
PLEB

>A Study in Pink
FEDORA

>The Blind Baker
PATRICIAN

<<<<<<2nd season>>>>>>

>The Reichenbach Fall
PLEB

>A Scandal in Belgravia
FEDORA

>The Hounds of Baskerville
PATRICIAN

<<<<<<3rd season>>>>>>

>The Sign of Three
PLEB

>The Empty Hearse
FEDORA

>His Last Vow
PATRICIAN

>>>>>>>>>Special<<<<<<<<<<

>The Abominable Bride
FEDORA

>Watson is a fucking afghan war veteran, a doctor and a adrenaline junkie adventuring through high stakes aggressive crime underworlds and super conspiracies

>puts up with cuck bullshit from a super old bitchy woman

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i was pretty hype but it was just more moriarty bullshit

yeh i get it, he was a good villain

but hes dead, so stop forcing him into every fucking episode

now no doubt the new season will be all his fanboys or whatever

fuck this shit

>>64504841
>Martin Freeman
>a fucking afghan war veteran, a doctor and a adrenaline junkie adventuring through high stakes aggressive crime underworlds and super conspiracies
Top kek

>>64504841
He already has to put up with Sherlock's nonsense. Coming back home and having to deal with another cunt is just plain stupid.

>>64504935
if you met a dude like Watson irl you'd think he's worse than some dude who needs to parachute jump every day to feel alright

most of 4chan should be slightly intimidated just by the fact that he's a doctor (never mind crimefighter, war vet, writer etc)

>>64504841
>forgives his wife and doesn't walk out on her even though she's broken all his trust and could probably even get an annulment from a Catholic Church because the marriage was made under false pretenses it was that fucking horrible

>>64504936
sherlock at least gives him what he needs.

that woman being the fulfiller of a man's romantic needs is just astounding, pure "i can handle strong women" cuck writing

>>64505008
even before that, my god how unbearable

>>64501448

Bit like Doctor Who

>It's ok to kill someone if it means getting really rich and the person you're killing is a bit of a dick

>>64504841

>super old
Why are men allowed to age and still be respected but women who don't look like they're 20 are instantly disregarded as rubbish?

>>64505167
m'lady!

>>64505167
lol 'allowed'

men are 'allowed' if it makes them manly/ daddies/ rich/ experienced etc, things that are sexy to women. These men werent loved at the age of 15

>>64502841
it's far more likely that Moriarty has a brother or sister that tried to step into his shadow. It's probably Janine

>>64504992
>most of 4chan should be slightly intimidated just by the fact that he's a doctor (never mind crimefighter, war vet, writer etc
dude is like a caricature dream doctor husband except not beta bux like irl doctors tend to be

the only downside is the way Freeman presents himself (seriously, that amount of test doing that shit would make him doc savage)

>>64504835
>The Blind Baker
>PATRICIAN

That's easily the single worst episode of the entire series. Opinion literally discarded.

>>64505167
>Why are men allowed to age and still be respected
we're supposed to think that woman is entitled to be seen as one's high school sweetheart now? since when are men entitled to that "respect"?

>>64504835
how do you rank
>PLEB FEDORA PATRICIAN

>>64502857
>I personally think this is the beginning of the end of that show, every episode from now on is going to have yo have some social commentary that aligns with social justice....They just broke that wall, so there can only be more of it in the future.

I'm pretty sure they are just insanely self-aware of the tumblr-fandom. It was pretty apparent in s3e1 when they shot that made-up kissing scene on the rooftop. I guess they just think the show is more popular with women than men.

I have to point out that it's insanely out of character for Sherlock Holmes to let MURDER slide for a greater political cause. He doesn't give a shit about social or political inequalities. In the last 3 seasons he was oblivious to them because they were pointless for his investigations.

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>>64504841
good lord watson

>>64505326
OOOO so mysteelious, crouch-ing tiger hidden drahgon!

>>64505411
It was even more out of character for Sherlock Holmes to murder a guy who he just found out hadn't really committed a crime at all but was really smart and was really just doing the same thing Sherlock does except with the roles reversed

also
>"he's a white supremacist, who cares"
>"oh ok sherlock i won't put up an argument ha ha whats the hippocratic oath lmao i dont have a character"

>>64505411
>I have to point out that it's insanely out of character for Sherlock Holmes to let MURDER slide for a greater political cause.

He's let a couple go, mostly on grounds of propriety and personal sympathy. If you parse his attitude as one of personal sympathy, it's easy enough to swallow, imo.

>>64502841
>>64502841
>Not just you, there was some clear feminist agenda stuff ("this is a war we have to lose", "there's an entire secret society of women who murder oppressive men but we'll let it slide and won't arrest anyone because they're underprivileged")

It was pretty fucking weak but there no reason to think Homes wouldn't of gotten 'em all hung if the dream hadn't collapsed on them.

>>64505492
>"he's a white supremacist, who cares"

Holmes is on record as despising the KKK, fwiw.

>>64505540
Yeah I remembered that, and it's a modernization, but I was referring to Watson's lack of response to that at all. what a beta

>>64502102
all dem buzz words

>>64500843
Sherlock and the attack of the feminists. Steven has been criticised for being sexist in the past. the episode was just a way of him saying he isn't. load of bullshit

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>>64505442
you wouldnt enjoy that woman with zero sex or crush appeal lying to you 24-7, demeaning you as if you're off her league, castrating you and liking your friend more than you?

it's 2016

>>64502996
10/10 opinion

>>64505596
>Sherlock and the attack of the feminists. Steven has been criticised for being sexist in the past. the episode was just a way of him saying he isn't. load of bullshit

Pretty much. What's annoying but is Watson rightfully guesses it's radical feminists five minutes in and it's still treat as a big surprise.

>>64502857
>>64505564
>>64505498
>Next ep
>>Sherlock goes to dreamworld again, and investigates a murder at a cottonfarm during the days of the slavetrade.
>>Turns out the white slaveowners wife and one of the slaves killed him, but it was ok because he was a horribel person, Sherlock agrees to pin the murder on the areas competing cottonfarmer, whos an even more evil white man

Ummm… Doesn't some thing like that more or less literally happen in one of the original stories?

>>64505596
Do a quick google search. The episode was apparently criticised for comparing feminists to KKK. If that's what he attempted to do, he failed.

>>64505498
my point is that Sherlock's deductive reasoning would have told him that literally murdering men to further the feminist cause is absolutely fucking retarded. He's a guy who trusts almost no one with their power due to the vast majority of people being dumber than him. Why the fuck would he trust a bunch of housewives to selectively kill men for their social cause?

>>64502996
>The back-and-forth structure didn't work for me. I would have prefered a standalone mystery set in the past.

I would have preferred *either* that or a hard cut to the present and give us the first half-hour of S4 proper. The back-and-forth was irritating.

>>64505679
>my point is that Sherlock's deductive reasoning would have told him that literally murdering men to further the feminist cause is absolutely fucking retarded.

Well, you should've said that, then, instead of what you actually said.

I DON'T GET IT

IS MOFFAT A SJW OR NO

OR SO-SO??

PLS EXPLAIN

>>64505782
>entire episode is pro-suffrage
>makes suffragettes be the literal KKK

neither, he's just a fucking hack writer

>>64505716
>my point is that Sherlock's deductive reasoning would have told him that literally murdering men to further the feminist cause

They wouldn't murder men for a cause. They were murdering men for personal reasons and using the ghost as a smoke screen.

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>>64505637
i bet this is one privilege Watson is fighting to get rid of

>>64505782
he's an out of touch boomer trying to appeal to people that despise everything he is and not getting it

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>>64505844

>>64505907
kek what is this?

>>64505852
he could just be fucking with people. There must be plenty of dumbasses that clapped and cheered for the KKK-suffragettes behavior without even realizing how dumb the whole scenario was.

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>Obscure but charming (and secretly best) tier

>>64503000

Considering how he deduced that Moriarty was gay, I'd say the other part of that post is right too.

Just to be certain, the entire thing was mind palaces within mind palaces and the only "real" bit was the very very end?

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SJW Sherlock fans will do some strange mental gymnastics

>>64506033
it's just flat out weird that feminists are going "yeah we're like failed elliot rodgers"

imagine being their father or brother

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Reminder that Peter Cushing is the best Holmes, and I love all his films.

>>64505999

Since when does being able to identify gay people mean you hate gay people? People throw around words like homophobe and racist way too often where there isn't any malicious intent

>>64505968

The only reason I'm not really mad about them is that Sherlock at the end says that none of it makes sense and Moriarty tells him its because he made it all up. Sherlock himself acknowledged how stupid the entire scenario was. Which made the whole thing worse in another way because it was like we were robbed a real mystery. Nothing makes sense and it was hand waved with lolitsadream so that the last half hour could be nonsensical meta-humor.

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>>64505968
Well, there is always that possibility.

>>64506083
>he's got funny underwear
>he must be a faggot

>>64505958
no clue i'd love to know the source too anon

>>64506079

As long as /tv/'s cluttered with whining shitbuckets like you there'll be no need to imagine, anon.

>>64505999
>Considering how he deduced that Moriarty was gay

Dude slipped him his phone number on the DL.

I wouldn't call that 'deduction'.

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>>64506130

>>64505907
>the u and the c are the same guy

ruined desu baka senpai

>>64506130
wow you'd be a shit sherlock holmes

>>64506141
that made zero sense

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>>64506159
>lol bisexuals fuck all the time lmao

>>64506159

>2012
what a simpler time
Meanwhile in 2015 we had an old white man regenerate into a younger black woman on doctor who, undoubtedly setting the precedent for when the next doctor is and woman and/or black

>>64506192
fucking triggered hell, how much of a special snowflake are you

>>64506213
>Meanwhile in 2015 we had an old white man regenerate into a younger black woman on doctor who

glad I stopped watching after the ISIS two-parter

Capaldi deserves better

>>64506033
>It was justified cause the women of that age did not have equal rights
Please tell me this person is from /tv/ and just trolling? the idea that we have cucks that belive women have the right to murder men is just scary

>>64506228

Moff's strange, one week he can somehow shit out a piece of gold that's almost universally regarded as one of the best episodes of doctor who ever (peter capaldi on his own for a solid 45 minutes, it was legitimately amazing and you should go watch that one) and the next week he can completely shit the bed and piss everyone off by not only doing that regeneration (which to be fair most people don't really care much about) but also giving clara her very own tardis

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>>64506134

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>>64506286
>that spoiler
n-no, please be rusing me

>>64506286
>peter capaldi on his own for a solid 45 minutes, it was legitimately amazing and you should go watch that one
what episode is this?

>>64505844
>>64505442
there's literally not one scene of those two that isnt a nightmare

>>64506316
holy shit, army is so gay

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>>64506318
The best part? Her chameleon arch gets broken too and her tardis is stuck looking like an american diner

>>64506325
Heaven Sent, go and watch it. It's technically the second part of a loose three parter, but all you need to know going into it is that in the previous episode clara dies after her attempt of a clever plan backfires on her and the doctor is sent away as part of a trap

>>64506274
>the idea that we have cucks that belive women have the right to murder men is just scary

It's weird that you think that's what they were saying.

>>64506407
i'll give it a look, i like capaldi but only watched the Who episodes that was essentially about him telling fangirls and tumblr to accept him as an old man

>>64506468

That one's not the best representation of his character, but first episodes of a new doctor usually aren't. They instantly ditched the 'accept the old man' after his first episode and he went straight into fitting the role perfectly. The basic Capaldi essentials are Listen, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline and Heaven Sent. S8 particularly (and S9 also to an extent) has much more of an ongoing character story than previous serieses, the adventures are still all separate but it's basically a character drama where you see how the doctor and clara both change over the course of the series. It's easy enough to pick up what has happened in episodes prior to that point, but keep that in mind in case a couple things don't make perfect sense

>>64506539
oh sure, i'll watch with that in mind.

I saw a lot of Tennant (and all of the guy before) and some of BigFace's but Clara I know almost nothing about so I'll be watching it minding the gap

>>64500843

Sherlock: The Adorable Bride

>>64506629

For what it's worth clara never had much of a character or personality before S8. I'm the type that'd recommend just watching capaldi's era straight through without skipping episodes, I don't know if you have that sort of time though.

>>64506629

Not him, but I never watched it all and started just for Capaldi. A lot of it is awful shite, some bits are fun, almost exclusively Capaldi. If you can put up with a lot of naff shit (and you're in a Sherlock thread so I expect you can) and a lot of jaw-droppingly unearned Big Emotional Moments, then there's about enough in there to keep you going.

And the second last episode of the most recent season really is top-notch, easily the best of the two seasons, a whole other level.

>>64506684
nah i find there's a limit to dr who i can take since it can go up and down so much and a lot of the time it's just bad scifi in public tv propaganda. But Capaldi can sure help

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>>64503685
Try this. Seriously. Best bad movie in ages.

>>64506770
>jaw-droppingly unearned Big Emotional Moments
oh i know, i still remember Tennant running with that olympic torch

but looking foward for more capaldi

>>64506795

If you're going to pick and choose, avoid Kill the Moon, Forest of the Night and Sleep No More. The latter two are almost unanimously regarded as the worst of their respective series, KTM's a little more mixed but still has a fair amount of distaste surrounding it

>>64506888
i'll give Heaven Sent a shot first to see how different Capaldi is from the first episodes

>>64506939

Just be aware you're starting off with the best

>>64501448
>[Sir Eustace Carmichael] knew her out in the States. Promised her everything. Marriage, position, and then he *had his way with her*. And threw her over. Left her abandoned and penniless.

Sure sounds like rape to me. I'm not defending the Feminist-KKK subplot. It was cringeworthy and felt tacked-on. But the women certainly had a legitimate motive to kill those men.

>>64507602
the lunatics obsessed with biological war never lie

>>64503685

It's a good drama.
I liked it.
Very comfy and full of feels.

>>64507602
>But the women certainly had a legitimate motive to kill those men.

What a cuck!
I hope you were joking or something.

If you think a woman can kill a man just because he left her, then you're a fucking idiot.

>>64507602
>>64507602
>>[Sir Eustace Carmichael] knew her out in the States. Promised her everything. Marriage, position, and then he *had his way with her*. And threw her over.
>Sure sounds like rape to me.

That's not, though. That's nowhere near what rape is. Regretting sex or being lied to before or after the fact is not rape. Is it a dick move? sure, but it's not anywhere near grounds to murder -- nor is it grounds for everyone in the investigation to scream "WE HAVE TO LET THEM WIN THIS WURR, SHERLOCK!!"

>>64505844
Isn't Freeman married to that in real life?

>>64508321
>That's not, though. That's nowhere near what rape is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

inb4 cosmetics

>>64503458
>>64503458
the book failed to explain how sherlock survived the waterfall fall. the show just did the same thing.

this episode was annoying as hell.

>>64508642
>Rape by deception is a crime in which the perpetrator has the victim's sexual consent and compliance, but gains it through deception or fraudulent statements or actions.

Except in this case the man didn't lie about himself or anything else. He didn't claim to be someone else or assume a position he didn't have. He promised her things in a relationship and then ended the relationship -- which is not illegal. What he did was morally wrong and reprehensible, but it wasn't rape.

>but what about the case in israel??
>However, it was later reported that the charge had actually been the result of a plea bargain with the defendant in what had originally been a rape-by-force case where the records were sealed by the judge to protect the identity of the victim and avoid the cross-examination of her.

>>64506080

Cushing looks the most what I'd expect Holmes to actually resemble, based upon the original Strand illustrations, anyway.

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>>64503056
>borderline

Don't worry anon I have that fetish too

>>64508710
Which book?
Holmes said he never fell and threw Moriarty to his death with his martial art, and made it like they both fell.

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>how do we write a character that's unhinged
>uh I dunno, make him lick random stuff and constantly do weird shit with his mouth

>>64508819
>Except in this case the man didn't lie about himself or anything else.

>Promised her everything. Marriage, position, and then he *had his way with her*. And threw her over.

You're leaning into the interpretation of an honest change of mind because it suits your ideological predilections to do so. The creators are leaning into the interpretation of a deliberate deception because it suits their ideological predilections to do so. They dictate what actually happened in-universe; they win.

If you want to make that your head-canon, well, go for it. Don't expect anyone else to care.

>>64508973

Stuff like that is almost never written, almost always down to the actor.

>>64509021
even the part where he licks dust for no reason other than to say generic creepy line? and when he gets the gun and for some reason starts licking the barrel? I know a lot of it is down to the actor but some of it was just lazy writing

>>64509127

Sure, once the patter is established, they presumably feed him lines suited to it.

>>64508980
You've got me wrong, I completely agree that he was lying through his teeth, I just don't find that illegal.

Every case in your wikipedia article involves the aggressor lying about some critical aspect of their own character, not their intentions or future plans. If you used that in practiced law then it's an extremely slippery slope. Where do you draw the line?

If I tell a girl at a bar I've got a yacht and I'll take her sailing next week, and we sleep together, is it rape by deception if I don't (or never intended to) take her? What if I was lying about the yacht? Does that make a difference? What if I tell the girl I'm looking to settle down, but I don't call back after the first night? Am I legally obligated to continue seeing her or else risk a case of retroactive rape? It's ridiculous.

She consented to him in that moment, completely sound of mind and unforced (according to the information we have). What happened after was regret.

>>64508895
the one conan doyle intended to end the series with, "the final problem".

sherlock died, people got upset, doyle ran out of money, doyle brought him back and never explained how sherlock survived.

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>>64508973
Are you talking about me?

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>>64508973

>how do we write our contemporary version of Moriarty, Mark?
>well we can't have him be intimidating, subtle elegant or genuinely disdainful of Holmes, he basically can't give off any air of a criminal mastermind whatsoever
>instead, let's just make him a deranged, over-the-top homosexual that's having a hissy fit because Sherlock won't let him suck his cock
>brilliant, the female fans'll love him

>>64506164
tbqh senpai'ilia

>>64509306
>She consented to him in that moment, completely sound of mind and unforced

Under false pretenses. Again, I really don't care about your head-canon. Obsess over it as your ideology dictates.

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I liked that they made them more like how they were in the books and it was a good mistery and good episode overall... And then Sherlock woke up and all weht to shit with the speed of sound. Moffat strikes again.

>>64509355
Go read The Adventure of The Empty House.

>>64509625
Again, see this

>If I tell a girl at a bar I've got a yacht and I'll take her sailing next week, and we sleep together, is it rape by deception if I don't (or never intended to) take her? What if I was lying about the yacht? Does that make a difference? What if I tell the girl I'm looking to settle down, but I don't call back after the first night? Am I legally obligated to continue seeing her or else risk a case of retroactive rape?

Would you classify any of those things as rape.
The only difference between those and what the guy in the episode did is scale.

He didn't lie about his character or identity. That's the only thin that was prosecuted in your own link. Backing out of shit you said you'd do after the fact is not rape, it's just being really shitty.

>/tv/ unironcally watches and enjoys Tumblrlock

I want the Star Wars beta cuks to leave.

>>64509625
go back 2 reddit faggot

>>64509741

I go to a prostitute. I tell her "I'll give you a hundred pounds if you have sex with me!" We have sex. I don't pay her. I haven't lied about my character or identity; only my future actions. At the time of the sex she consented and was fully informed.

Two points and, I regret to say, no more replies for you, you young scallywag. First: We may reliably infer that this was a conscious deception and hence rape *by* deception by the simple fact that Sherlock Holmes is inclined to regard it as such. The pattern established by the show is not of Holmes inclining to moral error when pronouncing on the actions of clients, victims, perpetrators etc. Quite the reverse. We are not in a court of law determining actions in the real world; we are talking about fictional events within a created world, designed by their creators to instill certain sensations and impressions in the viewer. We can dispute those sensations and impressions, we can call them objectionable, we can even, in essence, pretend that the events are other than they're clearly intended to be (head-canon). But we mustn't expect that anyone should care or pay attention when we do that last thing. We mustn't expect that it matters that we're doing that.

Second point: the events in Victorian times occur within Holmes' mind palace. At various points within the series, characters within the mind palace have served as sounding-boards for his mulling-over of investigations he's conducting, problems he's facing. Who stands out, would you say, among the women present at the Klan-style thingamy? Surely it's Janine. The same Janine that Holmes wooed, fucked, proposed to, under false pretenses? Golly! Quite the coinky-dink, wouldn't ya think? If you REALLY want to undermine the general take-away implied by a surface reading of the episode, your best bet is to regard the entire solution concocted by Holmes, the entire pro-suffragette thing, as a manifestation of Holmes' guilt over his treatment of Janine.

>mental palace, designed by the dreamer
>being disturbed by a dead guy who haunt the dreamer
>got several layers and the last basically trap the dreamer for eternity
>you can only leave by jumping off a cliff

How is that not fucking Inception with bullshit feminism?

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>>64509853

Come over here and make me, bumboy.

>>64510208
>Golly! Quite the coinky-dink, wouldn't ya think?
Jesus christ we need to have a tumblr spring cleaning.

Who the fuck let all these faggots in?
I had no idea things were this bad.

This entire post better be just copied from tumblr.

jesus christ reading this thread made me absolutely sure that this board has the lowest IQ.

So, was this "moriarty comeback" made by Mycroft to save Sherlock?

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tfw Bride is ur misfitsfu

>>64510297

Oh hush now, silly goose.

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>>64510410

Sherlock has a few of them.

>>64510360

>sexist detected

Go back to /pol/.

>>64510718
see? see?

It was alright.

I think I would have preferred they made it 2 episodes though, 1 doing what they did last week and confirming that Moriarty is indeed dead and the following episode back to modern times where we actually see what happens next after series 3. Rather than make us wait possibly a whole fucking year for the rest again.

>>64510804
>possibly a whole fucking year

Closer to two, most likely.

>>64510208
>I go to a prostitute. I tell her "I'll give you a hundred pounds if you have sex with me!" We have sex. I don't pay her. I haven't lied about my character or identity; only my future actions. At the time of the sex she consented and was fully informed.

In a place where prostitution is legal this would be charged as a theft of services, since her given consent (and no denial of consent until afterwards) is not invalidated by you not paying afterwards.

>>64510208
>We may reliably infer that this was a conscious deception and hence rape *by* deception by the simple fact that Sherlock Holmes is inclined to regard it as such.
>The character regards it as such and therefore it's true

That's completely ridiculous, and wasn't at all implied or stated in the show. He doesn't mention that he thinks it's rape - he just accepts her being spurned as proper motivation for double homicide.

>The same Janine that Holmes wooed, fucked, proposed to, under false pretenses?
That's also something. By your definition, is Sherlock also a rapist? I notice you didn't reply to my question in the previous post.

>the entire pro-suffragette thing, as a manifestation of Holmes' guilt over his treatment of Janine.

It's not. The take-away of this scene doesn't have to do with the real sherlock's actions, it's a clear social commentary. That's also why the 'we must let them win this war' line is repeated ad infinitum throughout the episode, and why sherlock feels they're infallibly right (despite murdering two people).

Sherlock really isn't a smart enough to have a deep psychological plot point like this without overtly pointing it out so people will notice it. It's just not that kind of show. Sorry, anon.

The scene is an extremely obvious pander so fans will spread it along through social media -- it's a marketing move.

The reason people care now is that the message - intentionally or not - was "it's okay to murder a man if i'm a woman and they lie to me"

>>64508973

Why are tumblr gifs always a low framerate and oversaturated? Do people who make gifs for tumblr go to the effort of saturating the image and lowering the framerate themselves, or is it some kind of automatic tumblr filter?

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>>64511003
Well, shit

>>64511026
how the fuck are you still civil to such a shitstain poster?

I hadn't watched Sherlock before, but I was curious. I got to the bit where he's hitting the dead body and tells us all about Watsons back story before I stopped. It was a very painful 3 minutes or so.

>>64511026
>In a place where prostitution is legal this would be charged as a theft of services

He said, wrongly, in a wrong way that was wrong.

>Yesterday, a Canberra man by the name of Akis Livas, aged 52, was found guilty of rape for having pretended to pay a sex worker with an envelope stuffed with paper. He was sentenced to eight months jail with a two year good behaviour bond.

>Justice Penfold of the ACT Supreme Court held that the event was “clearly premeditated” and that it constituted “rape by fraud”. Justice Penfold felt that a prison sentence was necessary as the offender did not show remorse and “was still focused on the event as a commercial exercise.”
>focused on the event as a commercial exercise

kek, you're actually displaying an attitude the judge held to aggravate the crime.

https://kvalegal.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/rape-by-fraud-the-supreme-court-of-act-decides/

>wasn't at all implied or stated in the show

Then you shouldn't have started arguing about it. The fact that you're only now pushing this line suggests you're ceding the authorial intent. So, happy days.

>That's also something. By your definition, is Sherlock also a rapist?

Definitely. I actually seem to recall some dialogue between him and Janine in the hospital suggesting they never had sex. If they did, definitely a rapist, if not, just a cold-hearted asshole.

>The take-away of this scene doesn't have to do with the real sherlock's actions, it's a clear social commentary.

Two things, it can be two things.

>The reason people care now is that the message - intentionally or not - was "it's okay to murder a man if i'm a woman and they lie to me"

Again, you lean into this interpretation because your ideology inclines you to do so.

>>64511148

He's worried I might be right. He's right to worry.

>>64511218
>I got to the bit where he's hitting the dead body and tells us all about Watsons back story before I stopped.

It probably won't help you to know that that part is both a call-back to the first episode and partly present in the Doyle stories. But just in case.

>>64509355
Yes he did.
Holmes faked his death and turned his shoes around, Moriarty just got straight up killed with kung fu

>>64502561
fuck you all, I thought it was funny :(

>>64511033
>people who make gifs for tumblr go to the effort of saturating the image and lowering the framerate themselves
The saturation is tumblr's insanely basic idea of what is aesthetic, the framerate is probably some sort of shitty compression thing

>>64511033
they literally think it makes things look more poignant / dramatic or meaningful

>>64502996
>>what the FUCK was with those transitions?
glad I wasn't the only one

>>64511290
>>focused on the event as a commercial exercise
>
>kek, you're actually displaying an attitude the judge held to aggravate the crime.

Yes, because you brought up a case in a country where prostitution is not legal and unrecognized by law, so it could fit your narrative. In places where brothels are legal and regulated, this doesn't actually fucking happen.

>Then you shouldn't have started arguing about it.
You did, nimrod. My original post said that he didn't imply it was rape, or anything other than deception - which is the absolute truth. The only person twisting the narrative and establishing their own 'head-canon' on this has been you.

It's obvious that the authors don't consider it to be rape either -- if they did, sherlock would obviously be a rapist too, wouldn't he? But Janine in the show does not show any implication that she feels this way - her only cause of ire is with the deception of their relationship. You inferred this to be rape, the show did not.

See, I'm not the one twisting the intended narrative to fit their worldview. I'm also not the one acting like a pretentious gloating shitstain because they misread the other person humoring their points as them 'winning' the argument. Like, seriously? "He's right to worry"? You sound like you're in some cartoon, dude.

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>>64511836
that's ice cold.

>>64511836
>Yes, because you brought up a case in a country where prostitution is not legal and unrecognized by law, so it could fit your narrative.

Wait - you're saying that if it were legal, it would stop being rape by fraud? Get a fucking grip, mate.

>You did, nimrod. My original post said that he didn't imply it was rape, or anything other than deception

Nah, you did, with some other guy. I came in here: >>64508642 (you can tell because both the prose style and the quality of the arguments improve significantly). "Not anything other than deception" is non-responsive to a charge of rape by deception. I will grant you that the word 'rape' isn't used, but there's a reason we're treated to "had his way with her".

>if they did, sherlock would obviously be a rapist too, wouldn't he? But Janine in the show does not show any implication that she feels this way - her only cause of ire is with the deception of their relationship

This is very far from obvious (and again, there is dialogue suggesting Janine and Holmes never had sex). And, again, there is no separating 'deception' from 'rape by deception'. You keep failing to properly consider the actual charge and defaulting to your own more narrow definition of rape.

>See, I'm not the one twisting the intended narrative to fit their worldview.

Of course you are. You're interpreting the events in a way that makes both Holmes and the creators look like moral cripples. We can assume fairly easily that that's not their intention.

So, just to recap:
>you're wrong about rape by deception in the case of prostitution
>you've been argued down to bare assertion in the case of the authors' intent (no reasoning)
>you're proceeding on questionable assumptions regarding Janine
>ignoring the questionable assumptions, you're failing to recognise that more than one level of meaning is possible and that a show need not be particularly clever for that to be so
>you're getting pretty mad

But yeah, it's basically a draw. Sure.

>>64512191
>Wait - you're saying that if it were legal, it would stop being rape by fraud?

Yes. Because consent of a person who is clear of mind and not under duress cannot be revoked after the act. In any case, your ridiculous scenario wouldn't actually happen because legal places require you to sign an agreement and pay upfront.

>(and again, there is dialogue suggesting Janine and Holmes never had sex)
Comes out his bedroom barely dressed and then hops into the shower with him. Of course they were only holding hands.

>And, again, there is no separating 'deception' from 'rape by deception'. You keep failing to properly consider the actual charge and defaulting to your own more narrow definition of rape.

People react differently to different crimes. There's a very clear difference between 'I feel this person broke my trust and lied to me' and 'i feel this person raped me'. The one scene between sherlock and her after the fact heavily leans towards one reaction. Guess which it is.

Also, yes, I do have a 'more narrow definition of rape'. It's also called the legal definition.

>You're interpreting the events in a way that makes both Holmes and the creators look like moral cripples.

Holmes is a moral cripple. He's a repeat drug user and a diagnosed sociopath. It might not be the writer's intention to have the scene have as crazy a message as it does, but that's still what it has.

Let's go through your shitty recap, for a minute.
>You didn't prove shit
>Moving goalposts when you hit a dead end and can't revoke someone's point is not 'arguing down'
>Not assumptions. Look up.
>It having an extra level of meaning doesn't make the first one any less ridiculous or inane.
>You're propping yourself up with pseudo-intellectual smug oneliners so you can pretend you're 'winning' because you can't handle an argument like an adult

>>64508377
in all fairness, the relationship might be solid, he might have a image of her while at the same time she isnt a lying creepy ballbuster

>>64512642
>Yes. Because consent of a person who is clear of mind and not under duress cannot be revoked after the act.

Neither consent nor absence of duress is relevant to the legality of prostitution. It's over, mate, you lost this one. Let it go.

>Of course they were only holding hands.

SH: I exploited the fact of our connection.
J: When?
SH: Hm?
J: Just one would've been nice.
SH: Oh. I was waiting until we got married.

>People react differently to different crimes.

Perfect victim bullshit. People react differently to different crimes, the same way to different crimes, differently to the same crimes. And this is still assuming they had sex, which is very questionable.

>It's also called the legal definition.

Of what jurisdiction? Not Canberra, this we know. Of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception#United_Kingdom

>It might not be the writer's intention

Again, your ideology inclines you to this interpretation. Bully for you.

>You are objectively wrong about the prostitution angle. Keep denying it, how deluded you want to look is your affair
>quote my moved goalposts. Failure to do so in full constitutes unequivocal concession
>You're the one who needs to look up. The definition of 'assumption', that is
>I don't care if it's ridiculous or inane, I care if it's something other than your ideology-driven interpretation. It isn't
>Oh you're getting SO mad, lol

Yep, I'm definitely winning.

>>64512963
>>Neither consent nor absence of duress is relevant to the legality of prostitution. It's over, mate, you lost this one. Let it go.

What the fuck are you talking about? We're not discussing the legality of prostitution.

>That conversation
"Just one" what? Just one sex? Who even talks like that?

There's a scene where she comes out of his bedroom, in the morning, wearing his shirt and no pants. She then hops into the bathroom where he's taking a shower. There's a very clear implication.

You've brought up this 'ideology' angle a couple times. What kind of ideology do you think I'm coming from? Should I be forming a church or a party?

>You haven't proven once that not paying for legal prostitution would be treated as rape. You're the one that's wrong and can't back their shit up.
>Here: >>64509741 and >>64510208. I ask a question for the second time and you bring up a non-answer about prostitution without addressing the question.

>"I'm definitely winning"
>"I'm definitely skipping middle-school to shitpost on 4chan"

>>64513319
>We're not discussing the legality of prostitution.

You've implied legality is relevant. It's not. You've lost this one, again. Waste your time if you like.

>There's a very clear implication.

ELLE UK: I think he would be proficient, of course, but he would lack enthusiasm and he would find it distasteful.

BC: Ah, these are terrible stereotypes. And come on, he seduced Janine.

ELLE UK: But they didn’t have sex?

BC: Oh you’re right, very good, you spotted that.

http://www.elleuk.com/now-trending/benedict-cumberbatch-talks-sherlock-and-sex

So, chalk up another win for me. Spotting a pattern?

>What kind of ideology do you think I'm coming from?

An anti-feminist one, but the specifics aren't important. Recall I said the creators have their own ideology. Everyone does.

>I ask a question for the second time and you bring up a non-answer about prostitution without addressing the question.

You're making the claim, burden's on you. You haven't even presented reasoning, you've just said. The judgement in the Canberra case didn't rest on the illegality, but on the part where he raped her by deceiving her.

>i am unequivocally conceding that at no point did you move any goalposts

Awfully sweet of you.

Stay mad, now!

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>>64513458
>It's okay to murder men if they trick you
>if you don't believe this you're a bad anti-feminist
>This is what tumblrists actually believe

>>64513529
>i haven't been following the discussion but i certainly have opinions

Well done you!

>>64513458
>You've implied legality is relevant. It's not. You've lost this one, again. Waste your time if you like.
Shit dude. you might want to take some classes in reading comprehension.

>So, chalk up another win for me. Spotting a pattern?
>I'm winning lmao!!

I'm coming from an ideology where I think killing two people isn't morally justified by one person's deceit. I'm sorry if that isn't very feminist, anon.

The canberra case rested on illegality because it was not treated as a transaction.
>Justice Penfold felt that a prison sentence was necessary as the offender did not show remorse and “was still focused on the event as a commercial exercise.”
Learn to read your own shit, anon.

>Still incapable of answering that question.
I'll wait. It must be hard, getting yourself rustled so much over it.

>>64513729
>Shit dude. you might want to take some classes in reading comprehension.

Yeah, I know you lost, you know you lost. Good enough.

>The canberra case rested on illegality because it was not treated as a transaction.

No. It rested on the fact of deception in furtherance of rape. Again, I know that you know that you've lost.

>I'll wait.

Keep waiting. You're asking a specific question about rape by deception with no basis beyond your own assumption for the idea that it matches the events in the episode.

>>64513798
>you've lost you've lost you've lost you've lost

You're trying too hard, friend. You're embarassing.

Fuck off back to tumblr or go outside and get some common sense. You're acting like some angry highschool nerd jockey at a debate club meeting. This conversation is done.