THIS IS THE SHIP THAT MADE THE KESSEL RUN IN 14 PARSECS!

12!

>Move, ball!

my favorite line in the movie

>>64489489
cringe

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THE FACE OF MY SON

>>64489644
What if Han is still alive? He's still in the cast.

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>implying this wasn't tasteful as fuck

>>64489717
only as a goast

>>64489489
AY YA FOOKIN CUNT YOR HAN SOWLO, THIS IS DA MILLANIUM FAWLCON

i fucking hated Rey

>>64489767
TELL THAD TAE THA KENJIKLAB

>>64489489
Why did she call it junk/garbage when they were running from the first order?

>>64489489

>this is the ship that made kessel run in 14 parsecs!
>12!

>should we shoot first and ask questions later?
>always shoot first, kid

>I guess you could say those weren't the droids they're looking for

>>64489489
I still don't know what any of that means. The fuck is a kessel run?

>>64489801

>and then inexplicably knew its technology from the bottom up, how to fix it, and fly it

>>64489887
Tell that to candy club.

>>64489753
But he's not force sensitive

Tell the to the ganja kluub

>>64489801
the falcon is canonically a piece of shit

I just hope the next one is better

But I won't be paying to find out. Just like I didn't pay for this one.

>>64489489
a parsec is a unit of length, whatever the Kessel Run is wouldn't all ships travel the same distance?

>>64489903
and even though it was junk it easily outmaneuvered several first order ships - something until this point was deemed threatening

why do they still use minutes as a unit for time?

>>64489927
His midichlorian rating is high enough, young padawan.

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>>64490030
>MUH THREAT

>>64489887
it's a reference to A New Hope to pander to nostalgiafags and kessel is some planet from the SW universe or some shit.

>>64490024
my nigga han cut the distance and did the impossible

>>64489903
No inexplicable; she said she worked on it for the owner installing some thingamajig, possibly other work.

still doesn't explain how she outflew trained combat pilots in the latest attack craft.

they really put that in the movie? lmao

>>64489801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN8HTKLsKkU

falcon is at least 90 years old it's garbage, highly modified garbage

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>>64489489
>the official script of ANH says that Han is 'obviously lying' about the Kessel run
>this shit

>>64489489
post the face she makes to Han when she bypasses the compressor

It's completely adorable

>>64489717
Flashback

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>>64489489
>parsec
>time unit

>>64489489
Ha! It's actually 12! I'm such a nerd lol!

>>64490123
He could still be lying. Or going senile and believe the lie he's told for 30 years.

>>64490093

they were so retarded with her character

why not do something focused like "Rey is an engineer, that's her specialty, she can fix things well" and then she's force sensitive

instead of "Rey scavenges, kicks ass, engineers, pilots, shoots, charms," and is force sensitive

it's obscene

>>64489489
So is the Millenium Falcon so fast because of the incredible pilot skills of Han or it is because of the way it has been rebuilt?

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>>64490124

>>64490024
While it is a "point A to point B" run, there are many different routes between those destinations, however the shorter ones are far more dangerous and require faster ships to travel safetly through.

>>64490030
Now THIS is podracing.

>>64490124
Awwwww!

>>64490187
>ribbed or normal bby?

>>64490175
A bit of both.

>>64489717
>>64489753
>>64490127
He is alive, Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon). Luke also fell down a giant shaft and survived.

>B-b-but they're force sensitive, that's why

A character will survive if it's economically viable. No one is going to buy dead Han Solo toys, no way Disney killed off one of the most iconic characters of star wars.

There will be a masked character in the next star wars movie that turns out to be Han. Screencap this

Does this mean it's officially canon that a parsec is a unit of time and it wasn't just Han trying to impress Luke with technobabble?

>IS THERE A GARBAGE CHUTE?, TRASH COMPACTOR?

Hated this line. Of all the throwbacks to ANH this one felt the most forced and unfunny.

>>64490175
It's 'cause he's stupid as fuck and reckless and takes dangerous routes, for example, literally every time he flies the falcon.

>>64490187
so cute :3

>>64489489
12, you stupid bitch with a smile i want to eat off.

>>64490171
Had this argument with someone about her 'flaws'. They said that her flaw was nostalgia and not being able to let go of the past/her dreams.

I pointed out that, not only did that never effect the plot in the slightest (every time it threatened to do so, something or someone pulled her back before she got 3 steps), but she also lacks the basic human flaw of being bad at stuff. She never fails to do a task, she's at least competent at everything, and whenever they focus on something she does it amazingly well, better than her opponent/anyone else in the scene.

Cucks will still say she's not a Mary Sue.

>>64489489
Tell that to Kanjiklub

>>64490261
>Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon). Luke also fell down a giant shaft and survived.

But the planets they were on didn't turn into suns afterward.

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>>64490059

>>64490261
>He is alive, Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon).

You mean not-canon EU crap. Spiderlegs are gone forever.

>>64490171

See, Rey is actually the one the prophecy fortold of. The one that will bring balance to the force. She is Space Jesus. She can do anything.

I can just imagine some fat neckbeard fuck nearly shitting himself and clapping his fat rolls together in the theatre for such a vague reference to the OT.

>>64490187
REY IS CUTE

REY IS CUTE

REY IS CUTE

>>64490261
This. It was a lame death 2bh. I was hoping he's going to die with style, like blowing himself up in a base being smug and shit.

>>64490357
NYUOOH MY GOOOOD HOWARD THE DUUUCK

>>64489785
Best character of TFA
>not even joking

>>64489489
cringest a scene

>>64490344
It's in the Clone Wars TV series and in Disney shit.
Sorry it's canon.

>>64490387
you're the dumbass who only likes star wars because PEW PEW EXPLOSIONS WHEEEEE

Han's death was perfect and made sense within the story

>>64490387
or dying with the falcon
you know, allauh ackbar style

>>64490357
>vague

Like all the references in TFA, it was blatant you'd think it was a Nickelodeon director molesting kids.

>>64490362
Tell that to Kanjiklub

>>64490311
b-but you only hate her because she's a gurl

>>64490261
I don't care what cartoons say. That's beyond retarded.

>>64490357

>OH YES OH YES THANK YOU SO MUCH DISNEY 10/10 WAY BETTER THAN THE PREQUELS, PLEASE PLEASE MORE NOSTALGIA
...
>"Han! You owe some money to somebody! You better pay up!!
>OMG HANS BACK TO HIS OLD TRICKS LMFAO THANK YOU THANK YOU

>>64490024

If I told you to sail from New York to San Francisco there'd be a few more variables at play than you seem to think m8

>>64490187
>you will never impregnate her to start a family
Swing low, sweet chariot.

>>64490503
New EU is only "canon" for marketing purposes. Disney still only cares about the movies, you'll never see Ahsoka or Han's black ex wife or Savage Oppress in the movies and Luke and Vader's first meeting was still in ESB

>>64490579
>Han's black ex wife

Going to show up in the next movie for catty fights with Leia at his funeral, with more Whedon-tier dialogue. Count on it.

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A

CUTE

>>64490579
Oppress is dead tho

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>>64490658
A

GOBLIN

>>64490447
Care to say names?

>>64490446
https://youtu.be/DJ3ZN-AJ-fg?t=173

>>64490658
Is this shitposting, or do you actually think that picture of her looks good?

Stripped of heavy makeup and with her hair pulled back, you can see that her head is a square.

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>>64490658
a horse

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>>64490764
In britbongstan she is a 10/10

>>64489927
Learn your startwars bub

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>>64490808
its uncanny

>>64490800
>>64490691
>>64490764
>obviously haven't seen TFA

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>>64490882

>>64490658
gr8 b8 m8

>>64489887
It's a reference to a line Han delivers to Obi-Wan and Luke in the Mos Eisley cantina:
>Han: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millenium Falcon?
>Obi-Wan: Should I have?
>Han: It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs
>Obi-Wan: ("I know what game you're playing and you ain't fooling me" face expression)

The Expanded Universe explained that the Kessel Run itself is a name for a safe flying path around the Maw. The Maw is a small part of the galaxy full of black holes, so "making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs" it means the Falcon was capable of flying closer to the horizon of no return of the Maw's black holes, due to its superior navigation computer.

But in the original movie it was just a throwaway line shouted by Han to impress his potential costumers with false promises and lies. That's why Obi-Wan gave such a facial expression.

Both the EU and TFA missed the whole point, and made a mountain of a single grain of salt. Also, it kinda doesn't make sense that no other ship has outranked the Falcon in its record in the last thirty years. And it clearly DOES NOT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE THAT A NOBODY LIKE REY WHO HAS NEVER LEFT HER DESERT PLANET AND HAS SPEND MOST OF HER TIME SCATTERING FOR A LIVING WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE FALCON'S RECORD.

HAN IS SNOKE

>>64490882
No, I have. She's not awful on the eyes, but she's definitely not cute. They tried to play her as a young innocent, but she's got the jawline of a prizefighter.

>>64490942
In real life, she's a slutty party girl. She called herself a hardcore sex machine too.

>>64490263
TFA is not canon and JJ is a hack that shat on everything in the OT.

>>64490800
>>64490808
>>64490870
>>64490900
So now that we've identified that she's an alien, what should the name of this smiling beast species be called?

I think they should be called the Marisuey They are excellent mechanics, have a naturally high midichlorian count, and have been known to seduce and abduct lone stormtroopers into unknown regions.

>>64490570
Commin' for to carry me home

>>64490250
Why would you wrap it when you could inject her with a few tablespoons of the protein shake with your cock rocket

>>64490909
>horizon of no return

event horizon m8

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>>64490942
>not cute

>>64491022
>American film
>Eating Japanese food

?????

>>64490494
What else would they use?

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>>64490909
TIL, thanks.

>>64491015
Terrible film.

>>64491022
Anime Rey > 3DPD Rey

>>64489842
DUDE NOSTALGIA LMAO

>>64491052
Star Wars was a weeaboo movie before it was a thing

>>64489489
She has a sexy mouth

I wanna fuck her mouth

>>64491022
That is not cute. It's fucking abysmal manners, with cheeks like a chipmunk, and 'wearing hats that are too big' stops being cute once you're older than 4.

>>64489842
HAHAHA ITS LIKE THE STAR WARS MOVIE

>>64491015
Ah yeah, in Spanish you would say "horizonte de no retorno", which is roughtly translated as "horizon of no return". But now that you corrected me, I think "event horizon" is used in its direct Spanish translation too.

>>64490261
>Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon).
Darth Maul survived thanks to pure sith hatred though.

>>64490909
Yeah I'm not sure why they decided that they needed an explanation as to why Han was right as opposed to him just talking out of his ass to get a paycheck.

>>64490800
Y-Yogg S-Saron?

>>64491022
Eating like a cow and playing around like an autist is cute? Ok...

>>64491022
How sandy do you think her vagina is?

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Q
T

>>64491177
>Darth Maul survived thanks to pure sith hatred though.
What kind of ass pulling nonsense is this?

>>64491211
>I'M ACTING

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>>64490187
>this qt is a god-tier force user
absolutely amazing

>>64491188
Because the EU exists solely to glorify every character with even a tangential relationship to the OT.

Every motherfucker in that Cantina was secretly a galaxy-famous badass.

>>64491211
Who's the ugly boy?

>>64491230
Worked for Anakin. Hate and cybernetics will take you a long way.

>>64491132
>That is poop poopy. It's poo poopy peepee, with poo poo, and poopy poo being poop poop.
Whatever you say

>>64491249
Yeah, I know, but of course clickbait and leftist critics will defend it.

>>64491230
That's literally the same reason that Anakin survived getting his limbs cut off and being burned alive by a volcano.

>>64491291
>Worked for Anakin. Hate and cybernetics will take you a long way.
What kind of bullshit is this? Anakin was alive and conscious as his body was sizzling. Maul was chopped in half. Don't give me what those moronic cartoons say, anon.

>>64491335
Maul was alive when he fell. As the lightsaber cauterized the wound, he wouldn't bleed out, so if he didn't die of shock he could be alive long enough for someone to get him to a doctor-bot.

>>64490187
>I BYPASSED the compressor! :3
>Huh
I didn't get this part. Was Han upset or impressed by her action? Why did he react like that either way?

>>64490261

>fall down a pit
>then the entire fucking planet explodes
>still survive

I wonder how much they'll have to rape the lore to make this work.

>>64491394
He was on the same ship as Kylo as they evacuated, father and son lying in medpods side by side

>>64489489
THIS BE DE MIRRENYUMM FALLcon, nd u must be HON SULU innit dis means dem jedis be real
>begins mentally prepping midiclorioans to mind control stupid mantrooper, force pull mysterious lightsword that grants 420 visions and slay the evil white man who is the most feared sith at present who killed countless jedi under the nose of jedi master luke
Pity Rey wasn't in the other movies, they'd have only needed to make one
>Rey wakes up on jakku
>Finds the millenium falcon
>captured by vader upon death star
>LET ME OUT
> "oh and leave that lightblade"
>escapes with vaders weapon
>Obi wan sacrifices himself
>Rey avenges him by slaying vader after she concentrates for a few minutes while saber locked with vader
>Runs into falcon GTFO han solo im drivin
>Drops thermal detonator which blows up death star as our team of hereos live
>Guess the ball's in our court know
>HAN GOES WILD
>CINEMA GOERS GO WILD
>/TV/ BTFOOOO

>Force pull the emperor
>Emperor btfoed by rey while finn holds off 6 imperial guards before dunkin all over them

>Kill off poe, realize he's only likable character
>OHSHiT we already filmed him dying
>Surprise he's still alive
Best pilot in the galaxy saves le day LUCKY THOSE PESKY SHIELDS had been dropped by the evil feared commander
So realistic and shows how battles can and do swing!
Don't give codes > win battle, war, maintain superweapon that can wipe planets and that cozy feeling of a job well done
Give codes > Lose battle, death ball destroyed, ground forces took a hit and your lord is grievously injured
>That captain phasma is a good, well thought out character.

>>64490024
Han found a shortcut or some shit

>>64491448
this is some prime autism

>HAN? YOU'RE ALIVE? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
>NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS

>>64490900
FUCK YOU I WAS GOING TO BED

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>you will remove these restraints and lick my sweaty pitpussies

>>64491188
The old EU was obsessed of detailing absolutely every single element of the Star Wars universe. Have you seen that cheap looking puppet at the backgrund of that scene? That's a member of a race from yadda yadda yadda.

They also expanded single actions into entire traits of entire species for some reason.

Killing the EU was the best thing Disney did. It became a bloated unmanageable piece of crap.

>>64490141
This. I enjoy it when Han says it in ANH because I figured he was just spewing bullshit to impress an illiterate farm kid, and an ignorant old man. Now that's ruined too.

>>64491432
You know how friggin stupid that would be though? They KILLED HIM OFF. Everyone believes it, nobody questions it. It's done and people are generally ok with it.

Then they just say "nah jk" and bring him back? What would be the point!?

>>64489842
>should we shoot first and ask questions later?
>always shoot first, kid

>I guess you could say those weren't the droids they're looking for

>literally not in the movie

>>64491211
I want to marry Kylo Ren!!!

>>64491268
Daisy Ridley.

>>64489489
This line was worse than anything in the prequels.

>>64492000
I never said it was a good idea, just that it fits with JJ's general tier of writing and his history. Although it's not something stolen directly from the OT, so I don't know if it would make it past the editors.

>>64491616
>this faggot again
Do you ever sleep?

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>>64490422
>not TR-8R

TRAITOR!

>>64492074
Yeah I'm not saying you thought it was a good idea. It's just the thought of that idea is so ridiculous.

>>64491699
I don't understand why people think a fleshed out universe is a bad thing. Why does it bother some people that they gave some minor characters their own backstories?

Do you people realize that Tolkien's universe and C.S Lewis' Narnia has the same exact thing? Some of the "random" orcs or Rohan knights you see in the LOTR films as extras have pages and pages of backstory.

>>64492043
>I want to marry Kylo Ren!!!
I'm not gay or anything but i'd like to make out with him

>>64489489
test

>>64490261
Han and Phasma will work together as mysterious masked warriors in the sequels. They'll have both met in the trash compactor facilities and get ejected from the Death Star before it explodes. Screencap this.

>>64492338
Hey, at least it'll give Phasma something to do. She's Boba Fett tier right now, except that Boba actually did his job.

>>64492381
Boba did his job and then fucked it up royally. Maybe Phasma will do her job in the next movies hunting Finn down.

>>64492338
That's the most probable way of him returning. Other than that, I don't see how he'd manage to stay alive.

>>64491211
>she will never look at your penis in terror

>>64489489
THIS IS THE SHIP THAT MADE THE CASTLE RUN IN FOURTEEN PARSNIPS

>>64491230
The same reason Darth Sion stayed alive in KOTOR II.

>>64492271
The problem is that every fucking character that appears on screen for even a fraction of a second all of a sudden has this super elaborate backstory and is super famous in whatever their line of work is.

Like IG-88 taking over the death star and making it sentient.

Cute
Cute
Cute


Tell that to Cutieklub

>>64493933
Well, usually people who hang out in shady bars and around villains have a story. It would be dumb to give the basement dwellers like 4chan users a backstory. They aren't seen because they don't leave the house.

>>64490024
Distance and time are the same thing. Here, listen to this: http://dl1.frz.ir/FREE/Feynman/Six%20Not%20So%20Easy%20Pieces/5%20-%20Space-Time.mp3

>>64494063
You really think the Stormtrooper who said "look sir, droids!" had to be the unsung hero of the Rebellion who was disllusioned with the stormtrooper corps and murdered his commanding officer so the Millennium Falcon could escape?

Or that the black guy with the ice cream maker in Cloud City was actually a secret rebel spy and the ice cream maker was actually a computer with Imperial secrets on it and he was running to get them to the Rebels?

or that the crazy nose guy who had the death sentence in 12 systems was actually a genius scientist who had his own army of zombies and cloned himself to escape death after being murdered by Boba Fett?

There's a difference between worldbuilding and pure autism and making everyone a special snowflake

>>64489752
It really wasn't. In the first movie Han's a nobody, if doing the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs was so great he wouldn't be. He's bragging about it because he has nothing better to brag about. With all his way better accomplishments no one would remember that shit in two years let alone twenty.

>>64492068
Tell that to Kanjuklub

>>64489717
If Leia didn't double over like she had some bad PF Changs bubble guts I would suspect he was still alive.

>>64489785
Was that really Daniel Radcliff?

>>64492037
>finally, after all these years, we have become star wars
jesus christ jj

>>64490024
Not if the Kessel Run is full of obstacles and the fastest way through it is to chart the most efficient route.

>>64492535
her job is giving a top secret codes to the enemy for no reason

>>64494244
Did you make all that up?

>>64490261
Yeah, haha, It's not like the other two first entries of a trilogy had the unexpected death of a mentor or anything

>>64491384
The "compressor" was causing problems for the hyperdrive, whatever that means. They couldn't figure out how to get around it, so Rey just tore it out.

It was a simple solution that they hadn't thought of, hence Han's kind of confused reaction

>>64494431
No, and it looks nothing like him.

Are people genuinely this face-blind?

>>64494755
Nope.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davin_Felth
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cornelius_Evazan/Legends

The Star Wars EU is FUCKING DUMB

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>>64489717
He's definitely still alive. Lightsabers emit tons of heat, and they'd cauterize the wound as soon as it exits the body.

Of course he's dead, retard.

>>64492197
This might be the only tr-8r meme I like.

>>64490187
I don't see how you could hate a character when the actor is this committed. Well, maybe that doesn't always work but she really sells some scenes that could've flopped hard.

>>64490311

She accidently fucked up kanjiclub good

This is what runied the movie for me. All that fucking Technobabble

>>64497379
>this committed

i dont think smiling is that hard friendo

>>64490344
Yeah unfortunately no. The Clone Wars is canon.

Fucking hell Daisy is either cute, or ugly in some scenes. No in between

>>64490992
Yeeeees, let the hate flow through you

>>64490399
I spat milk all over my keyboard

>>64490141
what do you want, hes a part time archeology teacher, not math or science

test post

>>64490311

Not that anon, but:

-I don't mind her being a good ship mechanic. She makes her living as a scavenger, she needs to understand how ships work, what goes where and why, and how to add/remove components or she'd have starved already.

-I don't mind her being OK with her staff, if she couldn't defend herself she would have been raped to death/sold into slavery/both before TFA even starts.

-I am less OK with her being a capable pilot, since how did she learn that?

-Ditto lightsabre fighting, even if she was duelling a guy who got fucked up by the Star Wars version of an Anti-Material Rifle.

-ESPECIALLY ditto her mastering Jedi shit like the Mind Trick on the fly when we've seen that you need to have mastered the subtleties of the Force and practice it to get that to work. I get that she's probably Luke's daughter or was at least trained by him before being mindwiped, but who the fuck teaches kids the Mind Trick and of all the stuff that was mind-wiped, why does that come back so conveniently?

I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to call her a Canon Sue or a Mary Sue, but I think it's fair to say certain things about her character don't make that much sense and that can be irritating.

>>64490187
God I want her so bad

>>64489903
well, she did spend her entire life pulling apart crashed ships for salvage. She must have SOME knowledge of how starships run.

>>64494244
>>64495612
>it's true
>all of it

Kek this is so stupid

>>64498516

I don't think the guy who tears copper wiring off my house knows how to be an electrician

or are junkyard hobos the most tech-savvy engineers out there?

>>64490141
>what is a shortcut?
Seriously, that fits perfectly with Han's character.

>>64490024
The Kessel Run is famous because the route is littered with black holes.

The bigger the balls of the pilot the closer he will skim the black holes (and their distorted space-time) to literally shrink the distance it takes to make the run.

>>64498561
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread

>>64490024
the point is that han was bullshitting, just making stuff up to impress eeople

>>64498733

Take this verbal dick you little twink

>>64490909
>Famous smuggler makes a totally unrealistic claim
>The falcon making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs becomes his unique selling point
>same guy ends up becoming a respected leader and general of the Rebel Alliance
>the Falcon was part of the destruction of both Deathstars
>Han returns to his old life as a smuggler
At this point everyone should know of Han Solo and the freakin' Millennium Falcon why would he ever stop claiming that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs?

>>64494299
The original script says he was "obviously lying" due to the outlandish claim. I don't think it would've been a tiny accomplishment if that were the case.

>>64498273
apparently theres a deleted scene showing her using a flight simulator in her home thing while on jakku

>>64489489
ultra qt patootie.

>>64491201
not very, after i've cleaned it, if you know what im saying

>>64489767
>i fucking hated Rey

You're in quite a small and exclusive club. Bet that makes you feel very special.

>>64498932

Maybe, if they were going to show her run complex manuevers with a big, clunky ship at high speeds and chased by two TIE's, they should have considered leaving that in

instead of their shitty ass bar and kanjiklub scenes

regardless:

>I tinkered around on flight simulator and got good with an F16 IRL

>>64498273
Go back to your prequel threads, that's not how the force works.

>>64499133

The force has never been something someone learns to utilize effectively on the fly without instruction

>>64490024
It's pretty funny, in the Clone Wars series they fix the mistake by having the correct use.

>>64499167
There's tons of shit wrong with that long post about the force and Rey but I'll just skip to the point.

Did Luke beat Vader at the end of RotJ because he practiced more with the saber since Empire? Was Luke more proficient in lightsaber use than Vader at the end of the OT?

>>64489717
>episode 8
>Rey finishes her training Luke and her go their separate ways
>Rey returns to Rebel Base
>Rey, Finn and Chewie get attacked when the First Order finds the rebel base
>trapped with three stormtroopers aiming at them
> sudden loud boom
>three stormtroopers lay dead in cloud of smoke
>Han walks out from smoke in robot legs
>cigar in mouth bow caster in hand
>"I'm getting to old for this shit"
>clapping by American audiences trigger devastating earthquakes across country

>>64499259

We don't know because we don't see every detail of Luke's training with Yoda.

We do see that he has his saber and uses it as he takes it out when facing his fears in the tunnel against dream Vader

>>64499313
Answer the question about Vader and Luke anon, don't get sidetracked with your fanfiction of what happens off screen.

>>64499259

Even after all of Yoda's/Obi Wan's training with Luke, he isn't able to resist Vader's mind reading

explain how Rey can resist Kylo with no training or experience

>>64499345

Vader is an old, mechanical and stiff man, Luke was bound to catch him in ability as he learned more

It isn't a pure case of more training always yielding better ability but it's clear that training is necessary to learn how to channel all of your skills, with guidance

>>64498740
This. Some idiot farmboy and crazy old hermit start badmouthing your ship you're going to talk shit back.

>>64499401
Vader was kicking his ass in the beginning of the fight. Stop dancing around the point that Luke used the force to beat Vader and it wasn't saber ability or technique.

What do you think Jedi training is? Do you think it's about waving around your lightsaber so many minutes a day and practicing mind tricks on your friends until you master it? That's how you practice a sport, a physical ability. That's not how the force works.

>>64499352
Kylo isn't Vader tier stupid, this is one of the biggest mistakes people make when whining about Rey. They compare her to Luke who was fighting Darth Vader. Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader, or did the movie not make that clear enough to you?

>>64499278
>smoke clears
>Han Solo wielding 2 light sabers and a pistol
>"TELL JABBA I GOT THE MONEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY DONT EVERYONE THANK ME AT ONCE IM THE CAPTAIN THE MILLENNIUM FALCON SHE'LL MAKE 5 PAST LIGHTSPEED GET IN HERE YOU BIG FURRY OAF NO REWARD IS WORTH THIS DONT GET COCKY KID YAHOO!!!"
>the sheer nostalgia starts melting the audiences faces with pure pleasure and the only reaction they have is to clap

>>64499511

>terribly shit villain
>main protag just kind of goes along and learns the force on a whim, "it just kind of awakens lol"

thanks for sharing

shit movie, cheap writing

>>64492197

What if in the next movie there is a First Order loyal badass with a blaster scar on his back hunting Finn?

>>64499511

>dancing around

Nigga, it wasn't that we think "Rey trained less than Kylo", SHE HADN'T TRAINED AT ALL. Completely unprecedented.

Then she learns the mental parts of the Force all on her own? After Luke had to do mental gymnastics in Dagobah for the longest time to get his mind right, and still couldn't stop shit like mind reading from Vader?

They establish Kylo is good at mental force ability at least. The pausing the blaster thing, that is very taxing. He takes pride in mental interrogation. So why's she resist him at that as well?

It's just dumb

>>64491394
Kylo wasn't done being a secret resistance agent. He knew what must be fake killing his dad to keep Snook's trust. He stabbed Han in a non fatal way that was merely a flesh wound then force froze him out of sight from the others and later moved him to a shuttle. Why else showcase his unique force power so much? Also explains why he didn't kill Finn and why he allowed himself to lose to Rey

>Snoke is interested in Kylo because he's always teetering between the dark and light
>Snoke takes Kylo in and makes a bunch of clones of him
>Snoke wants to achieve balancing the force somehow by doing this
>The Knights of Ren are all just clones of Kylo
>The Kylo Ren that killed Han is the chaotic evil edgelord
>the other Knights of Ren include a "True Neutral" Kylo, "Lawful Evil" Kylo
>This is revealed after Rey confronts Kylo again and he doesn't have a facial scar and seems to have a completely different personality
>It's also revealed that Rey is a female clone of Kylo
>Rey is also the "Good" clone obviously
>The whole war was orchestrated as a way to "awaken" the force
>the is because the force apparently needs the presence of adversity to thrive, darkside and light together
>Snoke is actually the good guy
>Snoke brings balance to the force
>at the end of episode 8, Snoke puts on Vader's melted helmet and says "Now, I am Vader"

>>64499537
If you can't reply competently and actually respond to the post then don't bother.

>>64499602
I asked you a very simple question about RotJ anon and you just can't stop spilling your spaghetti about TFA. Calm down. Did Luke beat Vader because he was suddenly better with a lightsaber? No he fucking didn't, he used the dark side to start beating the shit out of Darth Vader. If there's one fucking thing the OT establishes about the force is that it's beyond the physical.

Obi-Wan and Yoda don't tell Luke the finger positions for telekinesis or the right tone for the mind trick. Every time someone is learning about the force in the OT, it's being explained philosophically. The Force is not this video game power you need a certain amount of exp to unlock. It's not that mundane. You want it to be like a martial art or a sport that you practice every day. It's more like a religion that requires faith and believe.

>>64499602

It comes so easy for her because she is darksided

>>64499777
>faith and believe.
>believe
I cocked that up

>>64498687
^

>>64499777

Why the fuck do you write like a brat? I don't have to answer your loaded questions specifically so you can respond with a trite answer, I'm not your personal strawman you faggot.

It's a religion that requires guidance and insight to master it. Not mere conceptual and cursory knowledge of its existence. Luke goes through a long journey from Obi Wan's initial guidance, to Yoda's training, to gain the connection and mastery of the Force necessary to wield and utilize its powers. These all come to a head in RoTJ, and DELIBERATELY. The mind trick, the fighting ability, it's all the product of his training and journey. Not a fucking "awakening" over the span of a day.

Even going by your logic it doesn't make any sense. Unless, we are going to make her, head and shoulders the GOATiest of GOAT Jedis of all time, able to channel the Force and any aspect of its power by merely conceptualizing it, like a joke. I'm not going to be happy with belittlement of that degree and that would clearly make her a Mary Sue.

What's she going to do in the next movie? Teach Luke how to wake up the force?

>>64499892
>What's she going to do in the next movie?

That's one of my biggest worries for the next movie honestly. Shit reminds me of DBZ and Rey just has fucking nowhere to go.

She already got off her shitty desert slave planet. She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ and she might own the Falcon(?). Starkiller is already blown up too and its been established she can best the villain

They can only fix it in one of two ways
>make up a bunch of new force powers to learn so she can master
>OR make Luke/Snoke fucking overpowered as shit and have them throw around star destroyers to compensate

They fucking wrote themselves into a fucking corner

>>64499892
>perfectly related questions are a trick so I won't answer them
Okay then you can fuck right off. I just though that if you wanted to talk about the force I could bring up examples of people using the force to win lightsaber fights, but actually I guess referencing examples in other movies is some kind of dishonest trick by me.

>It's a religion that requires guidance and insight to master it.
>implying Rey mastered anything
You know mind tricking a stormtrooper isn't that impressive right?

>able to channel the Force and any aspect of its power by merely conceptualizing it
Then you've completely ignored everything told to us in the OT about the force. Do you think Luke is blocking laser blasts in ANH because he got the muscle memory down after the few failures or is it because he's opening himself up to letting the force control his actions?

>>64499767
"balance to the force" isn't actually a balance between light and dark side though. the dark side is the corruption of the force, and the light side is just "normal". Balance just means light side.

>>64500025
>She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ
Retard alert

>make up a bunch of new force powers to learn so she can master
video game shit

>OR make Luke/Snoke fucking overpowered as shit and have them throw around star destroyers to compensate
power level shit
How about her natural talent makes her, well arrogant.
What if how easily and quickly she learns to use the force leads her to the dark side?

>>64500125
>She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ
>Retard alert

How isn't she? Luke doesn't do that much impressive in the OT as far as I can remember. A few flips?

>>64500075

That isn't one question in a microcosm. As we've established, this power is fucking dynamic. Regardless, it requires guidance to master, at the very least time to train and meditate.

>you know mind tricking a stormtrooper isn't that impressive right

a bloo bloo bloo you know they deliberately don't show Luke using that ability until RotJ, right?

>Then you've completely ignored everything told to us in the OT about the force. Do you think Luke is blocking laser blasts in ANH because he got the muscle memory down after the few failures or is it because he's opening himself up to letting the force control his actions?

No, it's because OBI WAN FUCKING KENOBI IS SITTING RIGHT THERE TEACHING HIM ABOUT THE FORCE AND HOW TO CHANNEL IT

And that is literally square one of his training, blocking a few blasts from a training droid

What about this stubborn, independent bitch makes you think she's got an incredibly willing mind ready to channel the Force instantaneously in a manner unprecedented before? It's not only ridiculous, it clashes with her character.

The OT had SEVERAL training sequences, and allusions therewith, making it very clear, that you needed training to use it

Fuck, Luke wasn't even done by the end of RotJ

>>64500168

He doesn't even get to do anything until he goes to Yoda's boot camp and trains under the most knowledgeable Jedi of the last 1,000+ years.

>>64500125

She's more powerful. She knows shit she wasn't even taught.

>>64500125
>>64500075

you're pretty annoying. Pretty much just nitpicking and snide responses. You aren't going to convince people Rey wasn't overpowered as fuck with respect to our other mains. She even gets everyone to love and trust her for some reason within hours of meeting them. Getting the Luke mission, why?

>>64500085
Jedi Commie propaganda

>>64500203
Here's what your post told me
>you really hate rey
>you don't pay attention to context
>you might have autism

You focus so much on the fact that Obi-Wan and Yoda are telling Luke things but completely ignore what they are telling him.

Watch Empire again so you can get over this prequel idea of force training as a literal school with daily lightsaber practice.

>>64500168
She's not choking out gamorreans with a single finger.

>>64500279
Perhaps, but that's what the prophecy really meant.

>>64500331

It is mental gymnastics you idiot

Luke literally runs around a swamp with Yoda on his fucking back

you are unbelievably dense

No, you don't just get to magically teach yourself the Force on the fly you fuckstick

>>64500248
>Episode VI
>Luke suddenly knows the jedi mind trick
What the fuck is this? Noone ever taught him.

>>64500249
Yeah I'm the asshole when no one can talk about RotJ and has to keep bringing up Rey Rey Rey. It really makes it seem less like anyone wants to talk about what the force is and how you use it, and more like people need to shit on TFA.

>>64500367

He spends a few months on Dagobah with Yoda so rest assured they went through some stuff buddy

>>64500203
>this triggered fag is still at it

>>64490024
Go from Chicago to New York
>Take Hwy x - 670 miles
>Hwy Y - 699 miles
>cut through the river and mountains - 520 miles

there you go

>>64500365
Do you think the running is some force technique?
No retard. Like I said, you focus on the superficial action without paying attention to what is actually happening.

Luke isn't practicing running, Yoda isn't conditioning him with some light cardio.
Do you think Luke standing on his hand and levitating rocks is a lesson in telekinesis too?

Rey doesn't learn shit on her own, you should leave that out as it's just an error.

>>64500371

Luke Skywalker

>has potential
>Obi Wan recruits him
>gives him preliminary training
>dies
>become his little voice in his head
>sends him off to Dagobah to train with Yoda
>luke trains with Yoda for a while
>after more training and experience, Luke is finally ready to channel the Force and face other experienced force users

that is the Force

that is RotJ

I don't know where you're getting your "it's le magical fairy dust shet you can just think about and use effectively"

>>64500383
No they didn't because that's not how the Force works.
>mfw people actually think that you need to be taught like it's Maths or something

>>64500365
>tries a mind trick out of desperation, because has obvs learned the legends of the Jedi and is aware she's probably force sensitive
>these stormtroopers are probably even more weak minded than the Empires t b h
>it happens to work for this reason

"HURRR DURRR DURRR HAO SHE A JEDI MASTER ALREDY"

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>>64500437

No you need to be guided and trained because it's the actual Force and stuffs

every episode from 1-6 reiterates this sentiment

>>64500125
>Retard alert

>use mind trick
check
>beat monster
check
>not in RotJ but awesome pilot
check
>beat the bad guy lightsaber user
check
>get your shit wrecked by the big bad
has yet to be seen but probably won't happen
>get shot
NEGATIVE
>fail to resist force mind read
NEGATIVE

look likes she's slightly more powerful

>>64500383
Great fanfiction you wrote there

>>64500445

They aren't clones, they're conscripts.

Jesus Fuck, one of the main characters is a Storm trooper who develops a conscience and one of the others is a pissed guy who's mad at him being a turncoat, the most personality I've ever seen from a Storm or Clonetrooper.

Nothing agrees with you, not even this shitty movie's inconsistency.

>>64500454
When has Luke ever received specific instructions on how to use the Force?

>>64500472

Well TFA is one huge clusterfuck of a fanfic mess so it must appeal to you duder

>>64500454
kylo ren guided her, inadvertently

>>64500501

Episodes 4 and 5. I suggest watching them before entering this discussion.

>>64500488
>kidnapped as children and brainwashed for years
>One stormtrooper defies his programming.
>Another one is loyal to his programming and believes in punishing traitors for this reason

probably much more single/weak minded than anyone the Empire ever recruited, autismo

>>64500540

No, that's wrong

Really, pop in one of the prior Episodes and learn something about Star Wars before joining a discussion about it, reddit

And no, imdb synopses don't count

>>64500534
Enlighten me then.

>>64500501
He didn't

He was just told "don't trust your eyes" and "fear is bad" and "use the force bro" and then he ran around with a crazy old alien on his back for awhile

"training"

>>64500432
>Luke getting shit on by Vader
>Luke uses the dark side to beat Vader into submission
Yeah, where am I getting the idea that emotions and the force trump lightsaber experience?

>>64500471
>reaching this hard
Yeah remember how Rey was choking out Stormtroopers without any effort or was flipping around killing dozens of a crime lord's guards?

>>64489717

Kylo Ren will revive him

>>64500505
Calm down, you just got called out for making stuff up no need to be a little bitch about it.

>>64500555

Obi Wan gives him instructions in ANH as well as ESB as a ghost

Yoda teaches him on Dagobah

you ought to know the scenes so I don't know what you want me to say

>>64500125
Except we have seen no evidence of arrogance, you're making shit up to compensate for shit writing.
>inb4 s-sequels
If this movie relies on sequels to make sense, then it's shit. There's a big difference between something like empire which is open ended, and TFA which just has massive hole and inconsistencies based on past movies and general story telling.

What would it take for you to admit a character was stronger than Luke? Because she's already be shown to be smarter than Luke, faster at learning about the force, more likeable to other characters than Luke, already has done more tricks with the force than Luke, already defeated the bad guy within moments of learning she can use the force, already resolved her personal shit. I like to hear just one quality that makes luke a better Jedi than her.

>>64500554
>>64500554
That is literally the explanation for the First Order Stormtroopers.
One stormtrooper out of how many defied his programming, autismo?

I have the original trilogy pre-fucktarded changes lol

>>64500598

I didn't make anything up you idiot.

I can't believe you fucks are trying to trash the precepts of OT for you faggy little Disney waifu, some "fans" you are

>>64500564
>Luke uses the dark side to beat Vader into submission
Luke was already winning but didn't want to fight his Dad but then he poked around in his head and mentioned his sisterfu in a negative manner which triggered him. He didn't need emotion to win that fight.

>>64500621
>force powers have to make sense
stop this meme.

>>64500637

How many did it in the OT or PT?

NONE.

NONE YOU FAGGOT

LMAO

>I'd argue they're more brainwashed now

WRONG WRONG WRONG

HAHA "AUTISMO"

>>64500331
Hating Rey because she's poorly written is valid. You don't have to like shit characters.

>>64500667

>just tern ur brain off and forget everything

How about you consume cyanide

>>64500608
All Obi-Wan says is "trust the Force" and things like that. And Yoda made him run around in some jungle and face his inner demons. Those aren't instructions, those are to give him a little nudge in the right direction so he can learn about the Force himself. Because that is what Luke needed.
Rey isn't Luke, she doesn't have to go through the exact same thing as him.

>>64500669
actually in cannon rebels there are clone troopers that defected.

>>64500690
it's called suspension of disbelief and yes it does make the experience more enjoyable.

>>64500690
Well the force could really be used to explain a Jedi being able to do almost anything, doesn't break the rules of the internal universe

>>64500428
What exactly does Rey learn at all though? On her own or being taugh. She already seems to know everything, and the few things she doesn't she picks up in literal minutes like mind control (yet still knows how it works on her own) flying the falcon... Etc

>>64500697

>Rey isn't Luke, she doesn't have to go through the exact same thing as him.

And that's why she's a shite character. For trashing all of the concepts of "master/apprentice" and learning the Force through careful training and accruing the mental strength and meditation necessary.

Of course she doesn't need to, she's a poor character that doesn't fit into the universe due to her super-Jedi nature.

>>64500367

He picked it off Obi Wan clearly

Several months pass with his training with Yoda. Yoda taught him the basics of how to be one with the Force over that time, then while coming up with the plan to free Han Luke could've continued to refine his connection to the Force

It's not that fucking hard to understand
>ANH Luke sees Obi Wan doing the jedi mind trick
>begins his training
>trains with Yoda
>later on he's adept in the Force and can do the trick himself

Compare to Rey in TFA
>Has no idea she was even force sensitive until halfway through the movie
>Even though it's heavy implied she's Luke's daugther, that counts for fucking nothing because Luke was Anakin's son and he didn't immediately become a master at using the Force
>Out of the blue Rey learns how to read people's minds, block off her own thoughts and then use the jedi mind trick
>And then later on beats the shit out of Kylo Ren just by channeling the dark side, even though at that point her connection to the Force must have still been super weak

The thing about being able to block out her thoughts from kylo wouldn't have bothered me if there was an actual reasonable explanation for it. "Oh, when I'm lying and don't want to get caught I just start thinking about ship components and how to put stuff together so that nobody can read my true intentions"

But no, out of the blue she just magically has such a strong conviction that she's able to block out Kylo's mind rape even though she was in a conflicted position due to not knowing what happened to her friends and being at the mercy of the First Order

There's no explanation for her being such a good pilot, there's no explanation for every single character being infatuated with her after 5 minutes of meeting her, no explanation for her being able to use the Force so adeptly. Fucking nothing

>>64500722

It's never been perverted to that extent in the prior movies

>>64500667
Why are you so apologetic for poor writing? Are you this forgiving to every other movie?

>>64500759
would it have improved the character if nothing in the movie changed but they included minute long scene where obi wan's force ghost appears to her and says "use your feelings" while she was still on jakku?

>>64500717

Have fun being a retard

I'd like a modicum of sense in my movies

You are Disney's target audience though, congrats on your upcoming slew of capeshit Star Wars marvelizations

>>64500697
Exactly, what makes you think a character than can just walk into any situation and do everything better than everyone else is at all relatable or interesting?

It's the exact reason she's considered a shit character and a Mary Sue. She's fucking boring because she has no flaws and no growth

>>64500827
stay triggered

>>64500806

No, because that's a gross oversimplification of the exposition of ANH

I'm pretty sure they actually pulled that shit in her fight with Kylo

>>64500621
>Except we have seen no evidence of arrogance
>pulls the wrong fuse freeing monsters
>sasses han solo about giving her a gun when she doesn't even remember to take the safety off and has to be corrected on her barrel discipline by han
>constant 'no one needs to save me' attitude towards finn when in the end she's only saved because he launched a rescue mission

But I mean in general you're right, I'm speculating on her being tempted by the dark side. I'm doing that because the post I was responding to was talking about the next movies. I'm not saying her having to deal with the dark side personally excuses anything in VII, it's just what they could do with it.

Calm down, relax. You don't have to fit this into 'us vs them' 'who's side are you on' witch hunt nonsense. Not everyone talking about the force or what could happen have to be people that think Rey is without fault in how she's written.

Look I agree with everything you say about everyone liking her, being really smart and a good pilot is all too much and makes her a mary sue. I agree to all that, it's just that I wanna speculate on what they can do with her character or argue her force use isn't lore breaking because I have those ideas separate from my evaluation of her as a character and of the movie as a whole.

>I like to hear just one quality that makes luke a better Jedi than her.
Luke faced his dark side and turned away from it, sparring Vader. According to Yoda that was to be his real Jedi test. Rey doesn't have anything on that. See the force isn't about powerlevel "who can lift the heaviest thing" shit. It's not about this dick measuring contest, it's about philosophy and personal control.

>>64500848
because you have finn and kylo ren to relate to.

The force wasn't some "herpaderp you need to go to jedi college" until Lucas crapped out the prequels as an excuse to make 4 headed giraffes or w/e to laugh at with CGI

running around with a batshit insane alien on your back after a creepy oldfag gives you space schizophrenia isn't training.

The only reason Luke beat Vader is because Vader let him, face the truth, fgts

>>64500874
>No, because that's a gross oversimplification of the exposition of ANH
that's literally all he says to luke other than let go and use the force.

>>64500848
>no growth
But she only learns about her powers because of her encounter with Kylo Ren. She doesn't start out with them. Would it really have been better if she had a scene with some wise Jedi sensei and she got a power up?
Look, I agree that she's a little too Miss Perfect but you're blowing this way out of proportion.

i dont understand

is rey seen as ugly or what?

>>64500667

>Character has no arc, never experiences any obstacles she must overcome through hardships or her own faliure
>LOL who cares that she's awesome and can do everything it's just a movie dude xD

This is why TFA is such shit. There is no tension, because the main character can solve anything within minutes of encountering a problem. When she and Finn got on board the Falcon to escape, we'd know they'd be able to outmaneuver the TIE fighters and nothing would happen like them getting captured or crashing the ship

When the monsters are released and one of them grabs Finn, we know she'll be able to come up with some clever trick to free him. There was never any tension, it's just another pointless action scene. When she gets captured it's the first time you go "oh shit now what"

But then immediately she resists Kylo's mind torture and escapes on her own. Tension completely defused.

She has to end up fighting Kylo even though all the odds are against her. But once again she magically comes out on top and beats him, and then a Deus Ex Machina has to occur for the villain not to get completely destroyed by the hero

Same with the "oh no, the Starkiller is going to maybe be able to blow up the Resistance base". There is no tension. The story is written so that conveniently every problem is resolved within minutes so you're never engaged. You're mindlessly entertained by the action, but you never think "oh shit what is going to be the fate of the characters? Could any of them be in actual peril?".

>prequels set the standards that you have to have formal training and go to jedi school
>Luke receives maybe like 1% more training than Rey, and his training was a joke compared to Jedi college
>oh but Luke became a Jedi Master!

K E K
E
K

face it autists, Rey is just as valid a Jedi as Luke
I have the original trilogy on VHS pre-fucktarded changes so only my opinion counts here

>>64489634
did you cringe too during a few parts in this movie? there were some parts mostly in the ship that i cringed at

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>>64501014
>This is why TFA is such shit. There is no tension, because the main character can solve anything within minutes of encountering a problem. When she and Finn got on board the Falcon to escape, we'd know they'd be able to outmaneuver the TIE fighters and nothing would happen like them getting captured or crashing the ship

yeah, this was totally unique to TFA. I felt so much tension when anakin jumped 300 stories onto a moving car or when leia and the gang were mowing down storm troopers in a new hope.

and enough with the kylo ren fight autism, he wasn't even trying to beat her.

>>64500891
>Rey doesn't have anything on that.
She's already shown she has just as much control mentally and control of the force as Luke in RotJ by resisting kylos interrogation and offer to join him, and beating him in a duel the first time she's used a light saber. Shes shown she has mastered the force by the end of the film, you cant even say where she is lacking, in both ability and mentally, she has personal control in every fucking aspect possible. And this is after only just being told the force is real by Han

There isn't anywhere to go with her character. the only thing I could think of happening that snoke/kylos tries to tempt her to the dark side by promising they can bring her family back. However I guarantee that's not what will happen, Rey will remain a "good" strong woman and it will be more about her just getting even stronger and convincing kylo to join the good guys.

>See the force isn't about powerlevel "who can lift the heaviest thing" shit. It's not about this dick measuring contest, it's about philosophy and personal control.
Knock it off with the condescending lectures, you're not saying anything new.

>>64501089
The part where Rey and Finn are jumping around in a circle going on and on about how amazing each other is was painful.

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>>64490658
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>>64501023
>>64501049
>>64500907

nice samefag

>b-but it doesn't matter that Luke trained with Yoda to build up the mental and physical strength and learn the precepts of the Force in order to become a Jedi (which he even isn't yet at the beginning of ROTJ according to Yoda), you just need to be born space jesus and belieeeeeve in yourself xD

It doesn't matter what the fuck the prequels established. The OT establishes that you need to learn how to feel the Force. You need to learn how to concentrate, to meditate, to create connections to all the living things around you. You need to feel the force flowing between everything, and then later use it to incorporate it to the physical things like the use of a lightsaber. You need to learn how to control your emotions, how to let go and be guided by the Force and be in unison with it. All of that is important

Rey gets fucking nothing of that in TFA. She magically already is an expert in everything. She can already feel the Force and control it to such a degree that she can pull off jedi tricks with ease. She never does anything to learn how the Force works, all that happens is a CGI midget orange tells her a butchered version of Yoda's speech and Bam! Rey magically feels the Force and meditates for a split second mid battle to channel her rage into fighting Kylo

It's not about how the Force works you dumb faggots. It's about how she has no progression as a character. You can literally replace the Force with like magic, or being able to control the Matrix or whatever. Take literally any protagonist from any story, give them a skillset that they need to develop in order to defeat the villain, and then let them experience growth throughout the story by experiencing hardships and learning from their failures

In TFA Rey is like a videogame character where she gains powers after a determined section in the game. "You have learned Jedi mindfuck! Use it to escape!"

She has no character arc.

>>64489489
Kanjiclub!

>>64500643
>He spends a few months on Dagobah with Yoda
Never happens. That's what I was calling fanfiction. Luke trains with Yoda in Empire, leaves to fight Vader, then doesn't see him again until Jedi.

>>64500660
Luke was not already winning. I mean he knocked Vader over once but Luke is still constantly moving backwards and Vader even destroys the catwalk he's on. It's actually hard to say because really Luke is trying to turn Vader more than fight him, he even shuts off his lightsaber a few times. The point is there's a sudden power burst that Luke uses to beat Vader, whether he needs it or not to win whatever. It's setting the precedent for force fueled power boosts.

>>64500671
Hey that's fine, I agree with both statements.

>>64500740
Maz tells Rey to let the light guide her. Rey freaks out because of the vision and tells her to fuck off with her force shit. So when she quiets herself and lets the force beat Kylo in a lightsaber fight, it's completing her poorly developed arc of wanting to stay on Jakku and rejecting the force moving to wanting to find Luke and use the force.

As for the mind trick she's heard stories about Jedi and Luke Skywalker, she was given extensive proof of what the force is capable of by Kylo Ren. Shit even Luke with all his Yoda training still really needed a big display of the force in Yoda lifting the x-wing to begin to realize what it was capable of. Yeah in the OT the mind trick is only done by jedi knights and used as a symbol of Luke's growing power, but I'd still rate it below laser bolt freezing and taking information out of someone's brain.

>>64501172
she didn't face the same situations as luke. vader was more powerful than kylo ren, who was shown to be grossly incompetent. how many times does it have to be said, during the lightsaber fight he was badly injured and was not trying to kill her.

The fact that R2 had the rest of the map all along and just decides to wake up after the battle really pissed me off. At least give a reason why he wakes up, not "lol just because" fucking hell.

>>64501172
>However I guarantee that's not what will happen, Rey will remain a "good" strong woman and it will be more about her just getting even stronger and convincing kylo to join the good guys.
Just skip to the point next time and start with the agenda pushing so I can ignore you.

>>64501106

>It's okay because attack of the clones did it!

Kill yourself
>mowing down storm troopers in a new hope.
Tell me exactly when did that happen? I just remember Luke and Han took a couple of stormtroopers by surprise and shot them, then Luke and Leia got cornered and Luke devised a plan to escape, and then Han running away from a whole stormtrooper squad

Literally go throw yourself off a bridge

>>64501258
Luke trains with Yoda for like three days dude

and Anakin could fucking podrace and that's part of how Qui Gon Jinn knew he was force sensitive, because humanfags that aren't can't handle it

>it's about HOW THE FORCE WORKS
>It's NOT ABOUT HOW THE FORCE WORKS

are you buttcrying at her lack of development or that you don't understand space magic

>>64501252

in my dreams we're this close

it's so intimate

she wants me

and she wants me to make the move, doesn't she?

but i don't

i wake up

the whole day feels like i broken up with someone

why don't i ever do it guys. why am i such a beta even in my dreams

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>NO GURLS ALLOWED IN MUH STAR WARS!!! NEVERMIND MUH JUST AS BAD GARY STU LUKE SKYWALKER!!!
literally autistic manchildren 2bh

>>64501284
>wasn't trying to kill her
Say who?
>injured
Didn't seem to slow him down, did you actually watch the fight? Reys never used a lightsaber before and she kicked his ass.

>>64501268
>she heard about...
I've heard you can play the piano with two hands or sing opera but that doesn't mean I can suddenly do it

>>64501312

>It's okay because attack of the clones did it!

every star wars movie has overpowered super heros and deus ex machinas.
anakin winning the pod race, anakin blowing up the droid control ship, the only surprise was qui gonn getting killed by darth maul. there was less tension in those movies because we knew anakin was the chosen one and would definitely not die.
yoda entering the colloseum with the clone troopers was a deus ex machina.
obi wan could be seen as mary sue if you want to get down to it, we know he won't die, he's set up as a jedi monk and we know he turns into the obi wan in a new hope. he literally does nothing wrong the entire franchise.

>>64501457
See: "YOU NEED A TEACHER. I CAN TRAIN YOU"

>>64501345

>for like three days

You don't know that. No movie ever explicitly says "oh this time passed between these other things happening"

Besides that's a moot point. You're applying prequel tier logic to your retarded argument.

"hurr in my headcanon Luke only trained a few hours with Yoda and then fucked off and suddenly became a jedi master xD"

The point is that he fucking trained. He learned things from Yoda. Not only that, he grew as a character from everything that happened to him. He confronted Vader, he lost Han later and had to rescue him. All of these are things he learned from as pointed out in ROTJ when Luke goes back to Yoda

>anakin could fucking podrace

Who gives a shit about that? Are you seriously using the prequels to defend your fucking argument? What the fuck are you even trying to say? That it's ok for Rey to be a master pilot and that she can use the Force at Kylo's level without training because Anakin was a podracer? Are you retarded?

>are you buttcrying at her lack of development or that you don't understand space magic

>I don't actually understand the argument, I'll just deflect it to him being butthurt!

Great response. I explained to you how the Force works. But in the end the Force is just generic skillset for the movie's setting. Like I explained, she doesn't at any moment have to do anything to become skilled at whatever she needs to overcome the conflicts in the story. She just suddenly is when the plot demands it. She never fails at anything, she never learns anything, whenever she's in trouble she just magically learns a skill on the spot and comes out on top. She has no development

>>64501457
snoke wanted her alive
>Didn't seem to slow him down
compared to what other light saber fight we saw him in?

>>64501457
>I've heard you can play the piano with two hands or sing opera but that doesn't mean I can suddenly do it
>comparing the force to a physical skill
All you need to use the force, at least the light side, is to believe in it. If you don't believe what you're trying is possible, you will fail. Again, you don't practice mind trick on people 20 times a day to get better at it. The force is not this skill you practice like it's tennis.

>>64489767
get a huge load of this FAAAAAAAG

>>64490013
MAXIMUM EDGE

>ANONYMOOS 4 LYFE
>FUCK CAPITALISM

>>64501457
>there aren't idiot savant musicians

>>64501538
>The point is that he fucking trained. He learned things from Yoda.
How come the autists in this thread that keep spamming this don't ever think about what Yoda is teaching Luke or what the training actually is. It's not jedi practice like you practice the piano anon, it's not a physical skill.

>>64501538
You literally know nothing about these movies. Burn all of your Star Wars stuff.

The entire franchise is based on Mary Sues, cheesy stories, and extremely shallow development and an excuse to sell toys and show off special effects.

Luke got hilariously piss poor training. He's barely any more valid than Rey is pre-Bespin, if at all. You're one movie in and crying out of your ass because you don't even understand what you're watching

>>64489717
See, I'd be all for that, but...

>Broken heart
>Stab wound
>Kylo slashed on the exit instead of just letting his blade go
>He fell down a million miles into the core of a planet
>That planet then exploded

That would ruin the film.

>>64490764
i bet you get all the fit birds where you're from aye

>>64501308
What the fuck are you on about, what agenda? You wanted to discuss what you think could happen in the sequels and I said what I'd like to happen and what I think will happen (based on what the director and company have stated their intentions being with actions and decisions so far).

Just fuck off if you're going to act like such a baby.

>>64501515
So he just let her fuck him up? He was in a position to try that, it wasn't his initial goal, just an oppitunistic attempt

>>64501679
Kylo stabbed first

>>64501794
his goal definitely wasn't to kill rey.

>>64501473

Again. Think before you post you dumbfuck. You're excusing TFA for having characters that never do anything wrong and has deus ex machinas because "t-the prequels did it! :^)"

Nobody ever talked about the prequels. The fact that you point out how the prequels did this stupid shit just goes to show how bad TFA is for doing all that

Listen I don't hate the movie. I enjoyed it a lot first time seeing it. It's entertaining. But nothing makes any sense at all, it's fucking retarded and none of the characters save maybe Kylo have any depth to them. The characters are likeable, but they are poorly written

Any other movie would've been bashed to hell and back, but suddenly because it's "muh Star Wars" you are supposed to look part all this and just accept it otherwise you're some "autistic nerd who can't have fun"

>>64501644

Fucking read >>64501258

>>64501647

>It's ok if all this other SW is based on Mary Sues an no character arcs
>I am literally pulling this out of my ass: the post

You have absolutely no concept of what basic storytelling is if you think Luke is a Mary Sue in either ANH, ESB, or even ROTJ

You're one of those retards who think "it's ok to have no character development and just shitty unexplained shit happen because all this other material is like that :^)"

>>64490013
here comes trouble

>>64501588
If it was as simple as "just believe" then why the fuck did everyone else struggle so much, even when in the prequels and there were Jedi everywhere for visible proof, people didn't magically just learn everthing in minutes because they believed.

It's always been more than that, like reaching nirvana in Buddhism, it's about being in tune with the world and which takes a long time to happen.

By having a random character just randomly come along and be strongly in tune with the force after just learning it actually exists cheapens it. It just falls back to who has the highest midi count and just decides "the force is really, I'll go start fucking shit up".

The thing about the force that drew people in in the originals was that you couldn't just pick it up, it was mysterious and took time to understand and master. Defending characters who go against this shows you really have no clue what made the force intriguing, or yoda great because he's obvious has years of wisdom, not 5 seconds of belief. It's not fucking Peter Pan and flying.

>>64501958
It's fine in Star Wars because I understand what Star Wars actually fucking is.

You've lost, Porkins. I TIE Fighter'd your X Wing

>>64501958
So you think Rey has zero arc? And you want me to take your opinion seriously? It's not a great one in concept and it's execution leaves a lot to be desired but pretending it's not that is laughable.

And what the fuck does that have to do with Yoda's training? I like how this thread is talking about the force and what's consistent with the OT then some pretentious filmfags come in with their 'character' bullshit like we don't all know that.

>>64501912

leia pulling out a blaster and fucking up 5 storm troopers and jumping into a trash compacter is poor writing since it wasn't established she had prior weapons training. luke knowing how to operate a mechanical zip tie and being confident as fuck for no reason after his parents died and blasting a bunch of storm troopers and not being shaken up about it is poor writing. han being an impeccable badass and having no flaws is poor writing. vader having no arc or depth besides being an evil guy is poor writing.

>>64502070
you're arguing with someone who thinks SW is supposed to be a good movie from an objective standpoint, rather than a vehicle to sell merchandise, entertain people, and show off special effects

they don't even understand what they're watching lmao

>>64502070
So because they didn't cry after shooting a faceless storm trooper than makes it badly written?
And what do you mean Han didn't have any flaws, he clearly did (no loyalty, selfish, always negative, a lier...). He could shot a gun and fly his ship, that's about it.

The thing about the original character is they had reasonable strength but all had flaws and were far from perfect. Rey does everything amazingly and if it's her first time, becomes fantastic in minutes.

If you can't see the different then you're an idiot, seriously.

>>64502298
leia taking out a bunch of trained stormed troopers when all we know is that she's a princess is bad writing.

>>64497688
>found the autist

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Tell that to the ganja club

Tell that to Kanjiklub