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>The most celebrated film critic of the last 50 years
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>>64485777
He understood the hidden genius of the prequels, unlike today's RLM meme spouting Disney shills
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>implying he's wrong
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>>64485777
>implying he's wrong

Phantom Menace is GOAT and comfy as fuck, only Redditors and Plinkett fanfaggots disagree
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>>64485777
He liked RotS too
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>>64485777

G O A T
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>>64485777
Sounds about right. Redditors blown the fuck out.
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> implying anyone has ever celebrated a critic other than this guy
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>4 star system
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Why is he wrong? Explain in great detail
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>>64485777
yknow hes right
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>>64485817
Kill yourself reddit
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someone post the webm
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>>64485777
His reviews were certainly jaw dropping.
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>>64485777
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>>64485777

based ebert
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>>64485887
>getting triggered for having shit taste
>reddit on the mind
reddit has arrived everyone!
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god you people are hilarious

the prequels were universally hated here until right after The Force Awakens came out, now suddenly newshits call anyone who hasn't suddenly changed their opinion on these embarassments "reddit"

it's shocking to me how people who have been here for two weeks are going around calling everyone redditors
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>>64485887
You first nu/t/v/edditor
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>>64485860
Phantom Menace is the worst thing since my son......
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>>64485777
Tell that to Plinkettclub
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>>64485921
>this is now patrician cinema according to /tv/
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>>64485921

>HATE WHAT I HATE
>HATE IT. HATE IIIIIIT
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>>64485954
>your wife's son
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Why exactly do people hate TPM again?

Jar Jar is the audience surrogate. He's supposed to be silly because everyone around him is a humorless, racist Republic cuck.
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>>64485777
tfw History's most based critic died too soon to pan TFA
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>>64485954
is your son a homosexual furfag pony shitter?
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>>64485921
>reddit browses /tv/ for a month
>thinks they can speak on "how things were"
>whines cause he saw somethng on da web he didnt like :((((
viper urself my man
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>>64485966
That is vulgar auteurism at its finest. Come back when you actually know a thing about cinema, 2014 poster
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>>64485966
More awe and wonder than anything in JJ Abrams cynical fascimile.
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nothing in the prequels compares to this

in addition to being terrible at everything else, the prequels have some of the flatest, most boring, unremarkable cinematography I've ever seen in a studio-produced film
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>>64485777
Phantom Menace is the only SW movie worth watching, it's also themost immersive and the only proper sci-fi movie in the franchise
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>>64485966

>Hoth was such a legendary battle, duders

like 30 guys in a trench facing a giant, useless, walking tank with legs for some inexplicable reason

Vader casually walking around everywhere and letting the Falcon get away in the process
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>>64485988
he did though
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>>64486015
glib*
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>>64486021
Show me some examples of "good cinematography"
Try not to use garbage images made by people that have a sophomore understanding of it like the image attached to your post.
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>>64486026
still more enjoyable than an army of disposable clones fighting an army of robots

were we supposed to care about that battle at all?

I dare /tv/ to think of a more boring war scenario than clones vs robots
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>>64485980
>Why exactly do people hate TPM again?
Because it's horrible story telling

I personally didn't really mind jar jar. I think if the story wasn't a cluster fuck people would have accepted him as part of it.
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>>64485903
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>>64486021
>Special Edition pics
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>>64486021
>m-muh empire
literally the only good parts of it were the plot and the set designs , direction was trash
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oh boy can't wait for the 6 trillion SW threads when the second part comes out and redditors will be saying Lucas was a genius, his original 6 are the best thing ever and everyone else is a hack fraud
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>>64485777

>implying he's wrong
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>>64486094
if you have nothing to say don't post
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>>64486114
the effects haven't aged very well in the theatrical
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>>64486090

the not-Empire vs. the not-Rebellion in "who knows where" star system

aka TFA
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>>64485777
Roger Ebert was right. The Phantom Menace is really good. It's a great space adventure that doesn't take itself too seriously and just has fun.
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>>64486156
I did. And I posted it.
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>>64485921
Sure buddy.
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>>64486128
Howard the Duck is one of the best big-budget movies of the 80s, Lucas IS a genius and yes, pretty much every other director would have turned that movie into a pile of shit, only based Lucas could handle it.
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>>64486125
please try to back your shit opinion with evidence
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>>64486184
>Howard the Duck
ah yes, I forgot, another "George is absolutely fascinated with midgets" movie.
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>>64486158
b-buh muh practicals
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>>64486210
ironic considering lucas is 6'4
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>>64486077
Explain why those images are garbage.
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>>64485921

TELL THAT TO KANJIKLUB
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>>64486228
the sets look great, it's just that the miniatures that were shot against greenscreen are kind of dated
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>>64486228
the prequels used a lot of practical effects too retard
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>>64485979
I love this meme, it's so fucking dumb.
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>>64485777
>Praises 1 and 3
>Pans 2
BASED
A
S
E
D
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>>64486090
Anything in TFA
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>>64486234
not him but i can cherrypick good images from TPM as well

they're both good movies, by far the best in the franchise imo
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>>64486175
>Roger Ebert was right

Quoth the pleb
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>>64486325
>George admits he went too far in a few places with Ep. I
>makes Ep. II worse

how?
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>>64485777
Him giving TPM 3.5 stars was like a kick in the jaw for me.
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>>64486354
he was watching an uncut version of tpm when he said that though
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>>64486329

>yfw this isn't canon
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best villain after sheev coming through
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>>64486234
Because its a fucking image. You have webms now
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>>64486345
that shot wasn't even in the movie
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>>64486394
>tfw you will never get to see a TPM extended edition with even more fart jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXaDtAtpLPs
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>>64485887
>>64485836
>liking the prequels is Reddit
>hating the prequels is Reddit
>its like poetry
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>>64486345
That image is fucking retarded.
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>>64486447
/tv/ is literally reddit: the board
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>>64486447
star wars is pure reddit sensibilities
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>>64485836
Please tell us more about this reddit site of yours
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>>64486169
At least there were real characters with real stakes as opposed to a bunch of clones we don't care about vs a bunch of droids we don't care about.
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>>64486442
>Eopie

Interesting
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>>64485777
this video right here showed me how great Episode 1 is

the sad part is you have to assume in order to enjoy it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
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>>64486505

It was the Federation vs. the Republic you mong

>real characters with real stakes

I did not feel that whatsoever. We don't know anything about anyone. Not even the generic ass places that go blown up. It's hot air: the movie.
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Posting beautiful prequel images.
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>>64486563
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>>64486428
Why? Is it because he had a le ebin double sided light sabre and had really cool red and black face paint and horns! Yeah that's really EBIN
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instead of watching the movie then writing a review he went to dairy queen then wrote that instead.
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>>64486584
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>>64486562
Why should we care about The Federation or The Republic? Some bullshit about trade routes? Where were all you peasants before TFA came out? Most likely prequel bashing as well. At least in the TFA both sides have clear goals.
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If you hate the prequels so much, just think of them as garbled fever dreams with parts that were good being canon, and the corny parts not being canon.

George had a lot of cool ideas, they just weren't executed good enough.
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>>64485921

you just don't get it, redditor newfag. Le cheeky contrarian meme is what 4CHAN.ORG/TV is all about
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>>64486586
because he didn't need a fucking backstory, all you know is that he's a killing machine and he looks the part, no bullshit, you get what you see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZE1UM6xpjM
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Does anyone have that picture of Anakin and Padme walking in the Naboo Palace with the same shot from some WW2 movie?
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>>64486635

Some bullshit about the Chancellor playing these two against each other in preparation for a coup d'etat

>at least in TFA both sides have clear goals

they really don't lmao

I can't even think of what they were, "le Resistance" didn't even have a battle plan and just kind of took off after the Order blew up a bunch of planets

it was unbelievably hamfisted, I still can't figure out what was going on
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>>64486635
>Some bullshit about trade routes?
this is exactly why IRL wars happen, it clearly didn't happen because of that but that was the official reason
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>>64486635

>Why should we care about The Federation or The Republic?
>some bullshit about trade routes?

This is how plebs think. You must have had a hard time in history class.
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>>64485966
>shaky zoom on clone troopers

Am I watching Star Wars prequel or Avengers: Age of Ultron prequel?
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>>64486745
>You don't need to know why people are fighting, they just need to look cool
truly this is what made star wars great..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC1VljAJQSQ
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>>64486882
this is what darth vader was all about in ANH, there's nothing wrong with that
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>watch the prequels again
>come back to /tv/
>see people getting confused about t hings that were very simple to understand like why was qui gon the way he was
>realize these people are idiots, not because the movies are good but because they are confused by a childrens movie
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>>64486885
i like this new meme
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>>64485777
what the fuck was he going on about a dairy queen? did i miss something?
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>>64486345

faggot
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>>64486745
Are you 12?
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>>64486128
>buttblasted he can't parrot reddit tier opinons around anymore
chilll senpai im sure RLM will cover you in the taste department for a couple more months
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>>64486981
He means Christina Hendricks

She's the key to all this
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>>64486993
dont people like boba fett and he had no backstory?
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>>64486193
uhh you can't read or...?
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>>64486829
>>64486870

>yfw you realize a majority of prequel plot haters are simply goldfish-brained children who need clear "evil and good" dividing lines to understand a story and war

Maybe he would understand it better if the Federation had a neo-Nuremberg rally complete with a shrieking, blue eyed Nazi?

seemed to help him in TFA
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>>64486635

Showing how the Republic can't just become an Empire over night; there had to be some great social upheaval - and what better than to show a war...an interstellar war...a star war, if you will.

We know from A New Hope that:

1.) The Empire used to be a Republic when Obi-Wan was younger

2.) Obi-Wan fought in the Clone Wars.

3.) The Clone Wars were famous enough that nobodies on an outer rim planet like Tatooine (Luke) knew about it.
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>>64486925
We see darth vader choke some poor guy while looking for the rebels at the very start. We see him blow up Leia's entire home planet right in fucking front of her. Because we see him do bad things, we don't like him, which makes it rewarding when we see his Death Star get blowed up.

Darth Maul was just "here's darth maul, he knows the emperor and he looks evil. He fights the two jedi now" yeah..
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>>64486677
>reddit keeps using that word
hello reddit!
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>>64485921
I agree with you
I didn't really see /tv/ suck this much prequel cock until TFA came out
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>>64486993
are you?
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ITT: widdle contwawions
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>>64485966
lmao I thought this was the Clone Wars cartoon series for a second.
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>>64486937
>>64487058
this
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>>64486938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr_D0kZqaQ8
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>>64487131
No, you didn't.
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>>64486179
throwing vague film terms around with negative adjectives attached isn't something to say, it's in fact the opposite
>>64486193
nigga you posted a fucking r/truefilm >muh cinmatawgraphee screenshot compilation, you don't get to demand "evidence" for "opinions"(a laughable demand for reasons that shouldn't have to be explained unless youre a redditor)
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>>64486563
That's because the prequels had decen't cinematography when they weren't using CGI environments.

Meanwhile in TFA:

Top is final movie, bottom is set photo.
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>>64486175
>I get shit on endlessly for saying calling TFA fun
>Phantom Menace can be fun and no one gives a shit
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>>64485921
>you people
Take that racist shit back to Reddit you sick son of a bitch. It's the current year, I shouldn't have to see this.
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>>64487178
>horrible storytelling
>vague film terms
LOL, stay triggered m8
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>>64487192
forgot pic.
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>>64487193
nice pic
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>>64487172
If you say so
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Say it with me senpai
PAID
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Wait everyone slow down
Whos actually reddit?
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>>64487172
the later seasons actually look very good, the scenes in space easily look movie quality at this point
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>>64487226
They oversaturated the fuck out of the movie.
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>>64487193
both TFA and TPM are fun, the only legitimate boring movie is AOC

>>64487262
hello reddit
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>>64487226
What's wrong with pic exactly? Don't really care about TFA one way or the other.
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>>64487058

>oy vey, remember the 600 gorillian that died in the Hosniacaust!!!
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>>64487226
>judging the cinematography of a movie based on a fucking cam rip
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>>64487263
The artstyle is still very stylized though.
Only an idiot would convuse is for non stylized footage.
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>>64487320
>the blue is because of the camrip
ok champ
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>>64487320
Sorry did you want me to wait until a bluray rip came out to show you this? If you can get the same shot from the trailer then please do post it
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>>64486586
>I NEED LINES TO UNDERSTAND CHARACTERS
>SPOONFEED ME

Maul was a great fucking character. There are more ways to characterize and develop a character than with dialogue. Rewatch the film and pay attention to his movements, posture, facial expressions.

Fucking cuck.
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>>64487320
It's a pretty good camrip. If you doubt that the movie looks like that top, you haven't seen it in theaters.
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>>64487283
Horrible unnatural garish teal color grading
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>>64485966
Jesus christ, I don't remember that film looking that bad... holy fuck.

It looks like a CGI cutscene for a PC game in 1998 or some shit.

The shooting bit in the end isn't so bad though..

>reminder that this film was shot in 1080p
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>>64487371
B T F O
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>>64487422
watch it again and look closely at the jedi walking at the beginning
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>>64487421
>Horrible unnatural garish teal color grading
What are you on about? The bottom image is fine. The top image is a fucking cam rip. Are you going to complain about it being blurry and off angle too?
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>>64487467
see
>>64487381
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>>64487467
Did you even see the fucking movie?
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>>64487371
>bad guy acts bad and hardly says or does shit besides looking ebul
10000000/10 BRABO GOAT ACTING
TRULY STAR WARS™: THE PHANTOM MENACE©, DIRECTED BY BASED LUCAS IS AN AMAZING FILM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcbZyr4BYXU
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>>64487542
>more is better
hello reddit
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>>64487461
What about them?

>>64487499
It looks like garbage. I don't even care, i didn't like the look of it. But using this as evidence of bad colour grading is retarded.

>>64487519
yes
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>>64487542
hello reddit
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>>64487579
>Doing practically nothing besides pacing and having a cool lightsaber is better
hello reddit
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>>64487542
>he can't get all the other subtle hints

wew lad
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>>64487467
>The bottom image is fine
no shit that's the point. It's a set photo, the movie doesn't look like that. The movie looks teal and awful like the top
>the teal is from the camrip
so you didn't actually see the movie in theaters then.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wwsmvWc_PM
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>>64487125

Better than people like you who eat-up prole feed obediently.

OT hispters aren't even Star Wars fans. They don't appreciate the Star Wars universe, play the vidya, read the novels, or anyhting. They just pretend to be experts in the OT and spout "dude ESB LMAO" because it's the hip thing to do and Le Reddit demands it.

You people like TFA so much because it's just A New Hope with a re-skin and a few decals. You don't actually want Star Wars to expand, you just want to watch the OT on repeat forever.
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>>64487262
One really fat guy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCaOcv6OOQ
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>>64486015
Bet you like shiny balloons too.
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>>64487710
i bet your a kite fag.
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>>64485966

This looks so much like Luke's head and not a wax sculpture.

Good thing practical effects are allowed to age or be seen as a product of their time, but cutting-edge CGI is automatically shit after two or three years.
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>>64487673
I'm an OTfag and I don't like TFA. The prequels were shit but at least they had their own flavor. TFA is just a bland marvel movie with a star wars coat of paint.
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>>64486169
I cared 100x more about TR8-T0R than I cared about every single clone and every single droid in the prequels.
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>>64485921
You're called reddit cause you sound like a fag
prequels>TFA
Anakin fighting obi wan got me more invested than anything disney could possibly do with their whole STAR WARS IS FOR GIRLS TOO trilogy.
t. smart cunt
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>>64487785

That's because you're a reddit memer
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>>64485966
It's still better than anything in the OT, so I don't see the problem.
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>>64487785
maybe you don't care about them because you're not supposed to care about them and you care about le reddit stormtrooper because you're a memer?
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>>64487776

I don't hate OT fans, just OT fans who make a meme out of hating every aspect of the prequels to the point that it becomes more of a characterization than honest opinion.
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>>64487785
>i'm a low IQ meme hustler
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>>64487808
has contrarianism made you literally blind?
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>>64487757
I think TPM still looks pretty fantastic. Clone Wars looks like garbage though. Something bad happened between those two movies.
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>>64487808
Has it really come to this?
TFA created so much hate, that some daft cunt on /tv/ will call a scene with clones just blasting shit, better than all 3 of the original trilogy?

Have we really sunk this low?
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>>64487901
>Have we really sunk this low?
The road to patricianhood is mysterious
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>>64487776
>The prequels were shit but at least they had their own flavor.

yes, the flavor of shit
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>>64487991
wow LOL GOT EEM
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>>64487901
Why do you say "we" like you're part of this board?
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What the hell is your people's problem? The prequels are actually pretty good. The only two things that bother me are jar jar and the lack of cussing. Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie of all time. Attack of the clones may have a shitty love scene, but it all leads up to the original trilogy. And who doesn't agree that Darth Maul is a total badass? I mean come on! Really? The prequels were great in my opinion. They tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One. George did a great job with all six. So don't hate on the prequels. You all are hateful people just because the prequels aren't the originals. Snap the fuck out of it
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>>64487371
>I NEED LINES TO UNDERSTAND CHARACTERS
yes you fucking do, unless you can read minds or get to watch him for extensive amounts of time to see his actions. there is nothing you can say about his character other than some superficial bullshit
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>>64488049
Probably because I post on this board
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>>64485966
Why is an ancient monk space wizard giving advice to trained soldiers on how to use their own artillery cannons?
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>>64488049
>muh seekrit klub
hey reddit
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>>64487883
Please point the problems

>>64487901
Show me a better battle in the OT then.

What are you going to use? Hoth? The Ewoks?
Don't make me laugh.
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>>64487371
>Maul was a great fucking character.
He wasn't a character at all. He was just a guy who fought the two jedi, and then died. What else was I meant to pick up in that film?
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>>64488062
>other than some superficial bullshit
that's what his character is, he's a killer, that's all. But to be fair if you can't get all the musical and physical hints AND the way sheev talks about him you have a problem, Lucas goes out of his way to make sure you understand he's dangerous
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>CNTR+F "REDDIT"
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>>64488088
But are you part of this board? because your post suggests you're only here for Episode 7
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>>64488118
If you meant to praise that scene in the context of just battles, I get that. There were tons of more battles in the prequels that actually looked like battles.

But if you meant that scene is better than EVERYTHING in the OT, you're just flat out wrong.
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>>64488118
The space battle over Endor was better than anything in the PT
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>>64487172
Yes he did. Those shots of clone troopers by themselves would fool almost anyone.
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>>64488162
>not cmd+f
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>>64487901
We have. /tv/ has become contrarian to the point where the prequels are now better than the OT and TFA. Lucas a genius and every change he made in the special editions was great.

/tv/ is dead.
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>>64488170
Lmao do I need to show you my /tv/ credentials officer?
Get fucked autismo
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>>64488050
FALSE FLAG TFA TOURIST PLEASE GO
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>>64488216
screencap all this for when Ep. VIII comes out and everyone on /tv/ is praising JJ and TFA
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>>64488178
no
The opening long take of ROTS was better.
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>>64488224
You do as none of this should be surprising to you if you've been browsing this board for even a year at most
This being >>64487901
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>>64487371
Describe Darth Maul as a character based on what we see on the movie. Do so without describing what what he looks like, what he wears, what his profession is or his role in the movie.
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>>64488161
I got all of that, that just isnt a character to me
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>>64486090
any ww2 movie ever
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>>64488277
>The opening long take of ROTS was better.

>literal space ships with lasers getting right next to each other and firing at each other like it's the 1700's

are prequelfags all this retarded?
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>>64488331
An angry and vengeful motherfucker.
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>>64488062
top plebeian. You probably also need characters to painstakingly explain the plot ala Nolan movies. Star Plebs are a disgrace.
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>>64487371
Maul was a great character DESIGN. That's it.
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>>64488331
A trained dog.
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>>64488418

what was he angry about and whom was he avenging?
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>>64488418
What makes you think that?
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>>64488507
Agreed. I loved almost all the TPM designs. Even liked maul's dual lightsaber.
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>>64488507

Not even great character design

>red like the devil
>has horns like the devil
>devil is evil
>so is Darth Maul
>poetry
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>>64488504
no IK actually hate most exposition if it doesnt make sense in the plot which it doesnt far too often, dialogue that is just there for the audience bothers me in a lot of movies, but if you have a character, with hardly any screen time and basically no dialogue then his actions would have to have been written and played geniusly to have him develop any character at all.

that was not the case. he has no personality to him at all. he's a cool looking videogame enemy
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>>64488507
he is the perfect mini-boss though, Lucas didn't need a complex character, he didn't want him to overshadow Sheev y'know
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>>64488698
>mini-boss
thinks TPM is a video game
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>>64488403
Oh you mean like they did on Endor?

https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o?t=4m47s

Nice try reddit
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An obviously bought review.
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>>64488794
well that's what he is tbf
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>>64488813
they were getting as close to the enemy ships as possible so the death star wouldn't shoot at them
The clone ships had no excuse
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>>64488856
I know. Which is exactly why he's stupid. Movies aren't video games.
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>>64488794
not him, but TPM may not be a video game, but the miniboss analogy actually works great. like a good miniboss he makes doesnt need a character but uses a unique fighting style and visuals to stay memorable
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>>64485966
What video game is this from?
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>>64488864
except stopping them from jumping to hyperspace because they had the chanchellor
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>>64488331
This is exactly what's wrong with this board. I noticed a while back that people always seem to parrot these same sorts of criticisms and assumed it was a meme or something.

A couple of weeks ago I read the wikipedia page for RLM and then found out that that's where all these losers come from.

You watched some amateur youtubers and assumed that because these amateurs have a lot of views on their videos that their criticisms are 100% valid. You also assumed that if you parrot them then you are smart.

It shows the intellectual infancy that is all too common not only on this board, but in society. At least memers are playing the idiot. You think that reappropriating some argument you heard by amateur film enthusiasts makes YOU a film critic.

Not every character has to be some sort of well fleshed out person with a deep and rich history. In fact not every character has to be anything. The thing about art is that there tend to not be many "rules" per se. And these "rules" when broken can make the resulting art all the more powerful!

So parroting some amateurs with a youtube channel doesn't make you smart. And to answer their question, because it's stupid to ask this about Maul, Qui Gon Jinn is a Jedi who is more concerned with the ends than the means. We see this by him willing to cheat to get Anakin, and willing to train him on his own. We can also tell that he might not be the best jedi given in the first scene he fails to detect danger. This former trait helps to reveal the trouble that is training Anakin by forcing conflict with Yoda over it. The latter helps to foreshadow his early demise to Maul. That's good writing! and all without recourse to his profession or role in the movie.

Come up with your own opinions.
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>>64488939
5 star post.
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>>64488885
>Which is exactly why he's stupid.
but it's not stupid, they needed a threatening disposable villain and he was perfect for that
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>>64488939
>you have to like the prequels or you're just parroting RLM

is this fucking real life?
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>>64488062
yes you fucking do
>>64488137
>What else was I meant to pick up in that film?

top pleb
if even star wars is way above your heads, how do you even watch anything else?
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>>64488906
>like a good miniboss he makes doesn't need a character but uses a unique fighting style and visuals to stay memorable
Yeah, in a video game. Movies aren't video games. Movies are story driven. Characters and scenes that don't add anything to the story generally shouldn't be there. This is why some movies with a lot of action, like resident evil, can be boring, because shitty storytelling.
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>>64489022
>Movies are story driven.
Pleb alert.
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>>64489022
yes I know and I totally agree I just really liked the analogy
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>>64489004
>they needed a threatening disposable villain and he was perfect for that
Did they? How about the Trade Federation is the villain, and they focus on that? What does having a disposable villian add?
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>>64489013
I didn't say that anywhere in my post. I'm tired of folks using poorly thought out arguments that they haven't bothered to inspect themselves. It's the height of stupidity.
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>>64489013
>I can't read

I meaning you.
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>>64489087
>What does having a disposable villian add?
A cool climax to a movie.
Are you retarded?
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>>64488939
>In fact not every character has to be anything.
sure but then you cant go around and tell people how great the nothing character is.
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>>64487371
>That scene where him and Qui-Gon are seperated by the shield wall
>Maul paces back and forth like a bloodthirsty predator, Qui-Gon peacefully meditates
Fucking plebs.
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>>64489153
>but then you cant go around and tell people how great the nothing character is.
That's what this thread has been partially about.
Try to keep up.
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>>64489022

I haven't been replying in this chain but I'll add my perspective.

Maul's entire character in TPM is mystical and that's on purpose. All we know is he's the emperor's new little hitman and he looks kind of cool. He tracks them down and we're left wondering what's going to happen.

His hallmark moment is when he faces both Qui Gon and Obi Wan and reveals an unprecedented double-bladed saber and an aggressively athletic fighting style as the music swells and we realize we're facing a new breed of Sith.

The guy didn't say much and we don't know so much about him but he is fairly legendary thanks to the impact of his character. I don't know how on Earth you could consider his entrance and fight "boring", it was amazing.
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>>64489022
>Movies are story driven
lmao

>Characters and scenes that don't add anything to the story
have you even seen the movie?

>>64489087
>How about the Trade Federation is the villain
They're not, sheev is using them

>What does having a disposable villian add?
Well he kills Qui Gon, that's a biggie
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>>64487757
The only problem with the SFX in Force Awakens was snoke and Maz. Snoke could just as well have been a dude in makeup and Maz was just completely unconvincing.
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>>64488813

damn, I actually forgot how good that scene was

>dat action
>dat suspense
>dat sweet kamikaze charge

thanks for the link, contrarianfag
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>>64489167
This.
No characterization my ass.
It's there, it just doesn't spoonfeed you.
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>>64489167

This, you could tell this guy was made to knock off Jedi

he's the Emperors axe man in training and he would have knocked both of them off had he not been so cocky in his victory position
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>>64489084
Sure, but the to me the analogy is perfect for showing why he is bad. A big criticism for movies these days is them feeling like video games. Like having big action scenes with characters that we are not set up to care about.

>>64489141
>A cool climax to a movie.
It wasn't a climax to anything. It wasn't even at the end. The death star blowing up is a climax, because that is set up from the very beginning as a bad thing. We see vader being a cunt, we see him kill millions of innocent people with the death star. So we don't like, and we root for our heros when the try to blow it up.

Darth maul is not set up a all. He just shows up near the end and fights the jedi and two die. It's not even at all related to any other major plots in the movie.
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>>64488938
there was no indication that that's why they were shooting at it
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>>64489153
nowhere did I say that. I'm criticizing a poor and often trotted out form of argumentation. In fact, in lots of fiction considered really good by critics and readers alike characters can represent forces of nature or evil or what have you. I'm not necessarily married to this, but I think you could make the claim that Maul does a good job of advancing the Star Wars mythos. He serves in a sense as the ultimate end of what the dark side is: pure hate. Now is that the best way to interpret it? Idk, but it sure seems plausible, and I do think I like that.
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>>64489218
>contrarian
Reddit's new favorite word.
On 4chan, it went the way of 'weaboo' years ago.
We (yes,we) are layers of irony deeper now.
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>>64489251
>Darth maul is not set up a all. He just shows up near the end and fights the jedi and two die. It's not even at all related to any other major plots in the movie.
0/10
Why waist the bandwidth?
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>>64485842
RotS was 10x better than TFA though
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>>64489433
this
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>ctrl+f reddit
>34 matches

what a great thread
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>>64489433
The opera scene is probably the best SW scene
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>>64486158
Watch TPM again. It has aged worse.
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>>64489167

remind me again why there were shields that turned on and off at random intervals like in some retarded video game?

oh right because Lucas needed to separate Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and that was an epic way to do it
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>>64489304

Actually, "Reddit" is Reddit's favorite word
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After TFA I rewatched the prequels, particularly RotS, and realized how well written and carefully crafted the prequels were
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>>64489565
>remind me again why there were shields that turned on and off at random intervals like in some retarded video game?
Because sci fi.
Why is convenient tech a problem?
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The only thing the prequels did really wrong was overuse CGI.

TPM and ATC look awful today.
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>>64489640
I agree.
>inb4 tourists
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>>64489645
>Why is convenient tech a problem?
because it doenst even try to make sense in universe
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>>64489685
TPM has no main character
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>the prequels are shit
>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT GO BACK TO REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT HELLO REDDIT REDDIT

prequel fags should kill themselves
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>>64489645
>Why is convenient tech a problem?

That tech is inconvenient for everybody except the lazy writer
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>Kylo Ren appears on screen
>literally this starts playing immediately following

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYiU_JCYtU

What in the fuck JJ?
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>>64485777
>prequels were bad

Nice meme, now go back to your subleddit.
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>>64485777
The best thing he's ever written.
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>>64489738
how is that a problem?
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>>64489742
>>64489806
kek
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>>64489770
B R A V O J J
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>>64489738
hello reddit
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>>64489738
This is another poor critique that you're parroting from someone else. Don't do that!

Why must there only be one character? A Midsummers Night Dream, one of Shakespeare's best has 4 or maybe even 6 main characters!

Wild Tales which is an Argentinian film released recently is just 6 vignettes over 2 hours.

There was this weird trend in the 90's and early 2000's where films would consist of characters having interlapping lives or all of their lives are affected by one event. See all of Innaritu's early work (although I hate it) or Magnolia (solid) or Pay it Forward.

TPM doesn't even come close to succumbing to the excesses of some of those aforementioned films.
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My friend and I watched all three prequels yesterday, they were honestly pretty good. Attack of the Clones really isn't as bad as people say, and TPM is criminally underrated.
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>>64489770
>that fucking 40 minute Linkin Park montage after he massacres that town

What the fuck? What DID he mean by this?
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>>64489910
qft
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>>64489877
>Shakespeare
there's a difference between jew jew and shakespeare
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>tfw the prequels are now patrician
wew lad
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>>64490082
what a time to be alive

EII is still shit though
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>>64489433
Except that it's the other way around
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>>64489877
Yes, but this is not done often in cinema because it is very difficult to pull off. There's a reason for lucas saying "I may have gone too far in a few places".
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>>64490264
Fair enough, but I'd like someone to argue WHY it's bad rather than say or even merely imply that it is. I think that TPM has its failings, but I don't think the lack of a protagonist is it. I think you could even argue that the coterie of Qui Gonn, Obi Wan, Anakin and maybe Padme are all protagonists.

I mean in ESB Han and Luke feel like co-protagonists.

This is what's so annoying, all of these people are so desperate to parrot others opinions couched in facile arguments and then I actually look at the arguments and conclude that TPM is pretty solid. I mean I'm not saying I didn't before, but it just seems like a gosh darn waste to use this much time on TPM
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>>64485966
It's one of the worst in the series, but pic related scene is actually GOAT

It's one of those few in the prequels tuat establishes that adventurous nostalgic spirit in the script and characters, meanwhile continuing obi wans storyline right when it left off, which leads into his interrogation scene. other than that, the action in this movie is so boring, holy shit. The arena scene is kinda good at least, but not after jedis show up
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REMINDER THAT DEFENDING THE PREQUELS IS REDDIT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3tj2w2/i_just_watched_all_six_movies_after_many_years_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/24hkra/sick_of_excessive_star_wars_prequel_bashing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3o8xwh/rant_why_i_like_the_prequels_more/
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>>64490451
I've forgotten how much I hated some of the clean design. Everything looks so modern, old Star Wars looked used.
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>>64490082
no they aren't, it's just contrarian /tv/ faggots doing their thing.
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>>64490478
>posting reddit links
please fuck off you cancerous cunt
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>>64489433
THIS
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>>64487682
4u
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>>64490478
t. redditor butthurt about people defending the prequels on his reddit website

Howdydo reddit
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>>64490478
>linking to reddit
/tv/ 2016
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>>64486645
>George had a lot of cool ideas, they just weren't executed good enough.


By George.
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>>64485777
he's right. people who hate it are bandwagoning. the reality is that it's a great movie and the universe feels very, very large with it. without jar jar it would be one of the greatest movies.
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>>64490599
>>64490670
>>64490695
>implying /tv/ isn't literally Reddit The Board
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>>64487594
Not him but I just watched the webm and you can see she's actually walking in place, at least at the end.
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>>64490791
t. George Lucas
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>>64490801
t. redditor

You will NEVER fit in.
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>>64490439
True enough, but lack of protagonist is not a good indicator generally. It's good to have a clear protagonist that you can empathise with and root for. You can have 5 different main characters if you want, but it hard to avoid the movie turning into a confusing or boring custerfuck. More character means less time to introduce each character, understand their problems, feel bad for them, understand what they are going to do and root for them overcoming them. If you do it really well you can pull it off. But for many people, it doesn't feel like George pulled it off.

Like, what kind of arcs were there in this movie? Jar Jar went from being a outcast to a hero. Obi Wan became Jedi Knight (even though it said he was already one in the opening epilogue, but george forget i guess), but then the movie didn't have much about him really wanting to become one, so i dunno is that really much of an arc..
Anakin.. stopped being a slave.. but the movie was mostly a bunch of stuff happening to him. He didn't really have do anything himself, apart from winning the pod race maybe...
Padme beat the Trade Federation and saved her people, but it kinda felt like a lot of people did that for her. Wasn;t exactly hugely rooting for Padme.. but maybe that's just because there wasn't enough screen time to focus on that story because of so much other stuff going on.

It's debatable I guess, but I think the lack of clear, understandable over arching story was one of the bigger problems with the movie. It was mostly a bunch of stuff that happened. The main story was the Naboo vs the Trade Federation. The movie opened with threatening Trade Federation ships and ended with celebrating their defeat. But it was pretty confusing what that was about, and even now I struggle to explain it in a clear and simple manner that seems obvious from watching the film. Movies are helped a lot by having a clear central story arch that the audience can follow.
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>>64490904
upboated :^)
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>>64488939
it's like the rich kid from Good Will Hunting
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>>64490524

It's the Naboo motiff.
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>>64490524
well, that's what happens when you spend all your money on gigaweapons and suppressing democracy. It's only right that during the time that Amidala was in control of shit, things actually worked pretty well for most systems, with less war money and more cultures flourishing. the outer rim is another thing though, only on kamino was there abudant technology, jakkuu and tatooine were scrap planets
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>>64490524
I agree. Everything is sterile. It doesn't feel like people live and use these things. Just its there.
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>>64485966
>every shot in this webm is cgi
>every single object
>in every single fram
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>>64491152
So?
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>>64490524
That's the point.
Have you seen the OT? Of course not, you just saw some image or played videogames.
Obi Wan literally said that those were more "civilized times", Lucas was showing that by having the technology be more futuristic and not like in the OT were everything felt old and decaying classic of a overblown empire.

Stay pleb, retard.
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>>64487673
I never noticed how tall Ewan was and how short George was until now.
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>>64488939
You are as dumb as you are verbose.
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>>64490937
I'm not going to say that you're wrong, but I will say that I think you can look at it from a different more satisfying perspective. For instance, TFA is pretty poorly written in a lot of ways and oftentimes people will say that x (x being some unexplained element or unsatisfying element that can be rewritten/retconned) can be fixed in the next movie. However, that just shows that they should've written it right the first time around. ANH is great because it has satisfying arcs and if it had tanked it could still be a cult standalone film.

However, I think the prequels are different beasts. We already know the conclusion of the arcs so it seems more acceptable to offer us what is essentially a prologue film. I mean it serves to show us where the characters start, and in a certain sense if you arc them too quickly then you'll have wishy-washy characters that have constant epiphanies such that it becomes blase.

If you're willing to meet halfway I reckon that a good complaint is that Qui Gonn, given that he dies, could've had a more satisfying arc if any at all, but who knows.

>>64490971
close to what I was going for, except it's like if Good Will Hunting was interacting w some internet nazi arguing from poorly constructed Hitler apologia youtube videos (a surprisingly fecund ground, albeit not intellectually) rather than Gordon Wood
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>>64491216
This. The fact that it's all CGI is not bad. The fact that it looks fucking awful is. Look at these control panels. This was really in a live action Star Wars film. Really!
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>>64491281
Thought provoking retort.
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>>64491229
he's standing on a fruit box senpai
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>>64491319
Again, so? Miniatures aren't real either FYI.
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>>64491333
This. At only 5'10 he's a goddamn manlet. At least Hayden squeaks into 6ft, even if only barely.
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>>64491089
>>64491147
>>64491227

That's just the Naboo motiff.

Tatooine looked like shit and was full of junk because it's a desert shithole on the Outer Rime ruled by the Hutts.

The Empire makes everything dull and blocky because it's cost effective.

Also Amidala is part of a noble family and a Senator, so she gets all the best ships.
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>>64491309
>We already know the conclusion of the arcs so it seems more acceptable to offer us what is essentially a prologue film.
That doesn't mean there shouldn't be arcs in the movie. Simply because we know where *some* of the characters end up eventually doesn't mean there can't be really interesting arcs in each of these movies for each character. They could have easily done it. Obi Wan could have had a big arc about wanting to become a Jedi Master really badly, we can see he works hard and good person, so we kinda want to see him get that. Then in the Darth Maul fight, maybe we get a hint that he thinks "this is a chance to prove myself". Not very hard to do. Not much extra screen time needed if any. Not hard to imagine something for each character, but it's hard to execute on this for each one without overwhelming the audience. Which is why you normally have a small number of central characters with an arc, and the rest kinda hang off of it.

>and in a certain sense if you arc them too quickly then you'll have wishy-washy characters that have constant epiphanies such that it becomes blase.
Sure, so don't do that. Not hard.

If you enjoyed the movie btw, then fair play to you. But what I'm saying here is a bunch of things TPM does that are generally aspects of movies that are not liked by audiences. And these reasons are why I think audiences in general, and myself, do not enjoy the film.
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>>64491359
Did I say anything about looking real? I'm saying it looks shit. If they used shitty miniatures I'd be calling them out too.
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>>64487421
>I know what i'm talking about
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>>64491668
It looks fine for 2002, bud.
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>>64491681
At least you admit it.
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>>64491705
They had these thing called "sets" in 2002. There was even some pretty nice ones in TPM.
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>>64487889
same thing as between Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers, CGI made enough improvements to be used but still looked like shit
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>>64491745
(You) win.
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>>64491629
you changed my mind on the obi wan thing, and come to think of it, Padme was a blank slate and had no development really. I guess the problem is that people tend to use these rather flimsy arguments and when you examine them you realize how shallow they are and maybe they're actually pointing to strong suits of the movie. But you offered a thoughtful critique and I appreciate it. I still think that the "hate" is in large part a reactionary backlash given the initial reviews and audience reaction, and I still think that overall they aren't that bad; it's hard to not compare them favorably to the standard blockbuster fare of nowadays that lack ambition and heart (not necessarily attributing TPM the latter, but it had the former in spades methinks)
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>>64485836
>GOAT
No
>comfy
Yes
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>>64491908
>comfy
Take your shitty meme back to /v/
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>>64485777
Prequels are even better than the origina trilogy tbqh.
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HAHAHAHHAHA
THIS THREAD IS SO FUNNY
LITERALLY NOTHING BETTER THAN HATING GOOD MOVIES AND LIKING BAD ONES
LOL
YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST XDDD
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>>64492014
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>>64491825
Thanks for seriously considering my posts anon.

>I still think that the "hate" is in large part a reactionary backlash given the initial reviews
I agree somewhat. There's also a lot of huge disappointment TPM. People had such high hopes and expectations for it, given how great the originals were and now George was making more by himself with his own money, ie total creative control. And then it turned out to be such a deeply flawed movie. So many scriptwriting 101 mistakes. But most people didn't understand that, they just knew after watching the film they felt confused about what was meant to be going on and why and feeling the story largely lacked any really satisfying moments. I think if it came out, and the original star wars movies never existed, it would have a 4/10 rating and become a bit of a cult classic, but be largely forgotten as that weird bad space adventure movie. Maybe like the super mario movie.

I think mostly people have trouble understanding what it is that makes them hate the film. Some blame the CGI, even though there's lots of great films with CGI. The real problem is the story, it's just riddled with fundamental problems that you have to have a special appreciation for the film to look past.
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>>64492164
I'd be willing to stake a decent amount of money that it was the absolute failure of AOTC to be anything close to good that "proved" to people TPM sucked. Had AOTC been good or fixed some of the errors of TPM I think the world would be very different. But I try not to think of that too much given it would mean they hadn't Marvel-fied Star Wars.
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>>64491705
No it doesn't. People complained it looked like shit in 2002. Even Ebert in his review said the movie looked horrible. There's no excuse for George not at least hiring actors to wear storm trooper costumes.
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>Roger Ebert thought Attack of the Clones was just okay, liked the other prequels

Based Ebert, right as usual
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>>64487889

Attack of the Clones and Empire Strikes Back are both in this weird place where their effects have aged like milk while the films on either side of them aged far better.
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>>64490524

That is literally a senator's personal ship.

The Tantive IV's interior was pretty clean and spotless too, bro.
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>>64492365
>Had AOTC been good or fixed some of the errors of TPM I think the world would be very different.
I'm not sure what you mean. What would have been different?

>>64492557
What Empire effects look like shit today?
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>>64492412
Ebert said it looked horrible because he saw an early digital movie on a film projector.
Read his review.
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>>64490791
Prequels come out
>Nobody really likes them that much
>Shitty youtuber makes a video about them
>Everyone repeats the same old criticisms

TFA Comes out
>All of a sudden people like the prequels
>Begin to see what they have that TFA lacks
>Understand Lucas's misguided intentions
>Forgive some of his dumb shit since he at least tried

Lucas sold to Disney knowing the shit they would churn out would redeem the prequels. Poetry.
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>>64492620

The asteroid chase looks pretty bad. The TIE Fighters have turned weirdly blue for some reason, and they and the Falcon all look very obviously digitally inserted over the backdrop. A New Hope's ships looked a lot better.

There's also the fact that Dagobah is very VERY obviously a sound stage, and the fact that Yoda is very VERY obviously a puppet. He looked much more alive and believable in Return of the Jedi, but in Empire it only works in a few scenes. There are also a few scenes where he opens his mouth and his lower jaw slides forward weirdly, distorting the rest of his face just enough to remind you he's a puppet and yank you out of the movie.

Blu-Ray has also made the paintbrush strokes on the tauntaun's horns visible in the close-ups, but that's just a case of higher resolution ruining something that looked fine before. And of course the tauntaun stop-motion in the wide shots looks like ass.
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