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Anakin is a Mary Sue
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How can this even be debated?

He's incredibly competent at everything (could win podraces like a pro, speak Watto, build protocol droids, pilot starfighters and blow up entire space stations before his balls even dropped), has more mitochondria than Yoda, was immaculately conceived, is offered a Jedi apprenticeship and is ultimately destined to be The Chosen One based on a prophecy never before mentioned in the OT.

He also has one expression throughout the film (bad acting).

How is this even up for debate?
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>>64485133
People aren't angry at Rey because she's a Mary Sue. They are angry because she's a strong character who is a woman. Most of the stars of the OT and the prequels were pretty much "Mary Sue's" if you think about it.
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I feel sorry for Jake Lloyd. He got white slaved by George Lucas.
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>everyone but qui-gon and his mother hate him
>he's a slave and needs someone else to win his freedom
>he didn't design the droid, just put the parts together, something a hairy-handed sasquatch can do
>the starfighter was on autopilot, blowing up the space station was sheer luck
>"was immaculately conceived" - t. his slut mom

still not as much of a mary sue
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>>64485188
this its just cause she's a strong indepednetnt women and the bigots ojn this subreddit cant STAND it LMAO.
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>>64485133
lil nigga had like 20,000+ ppb midi-chlorians in his blood. Not even Yoda himself had a midi-chlorian count that high. If he was any less brilliant then the whole premise of him being "the one" wouldn't work.
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>>64485323
>>64485188
we dont hate strong female characters

we dont hate ellen ripley, sarah conner, clarice starling, beatrix kiddo, jackie brown, akane yashiro, mulan

you guys are just butthurt people are hating on your waifu
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>>64485404
this
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>>64485404
>we don't hate beatrix kiddo

Speak for yourself, shitlord.
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>>64485404
>akane yashiro

Fuck off weeb.
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>>64485316

>everyone but qui-gon and his mother hate him

He's welcomed as part of the group immediately.

>he's a slave and needs someone else to win his freedom

They helped him gain his freedom but he helped a Queen, two Jedi, and their entire fucking entourage get off of Tatooine. He did more for them then they did for him.

>he didn't design the droid, just put the parts together, something a hairy-handed sasquatch can do

That's retarded reasoning and even then he still built the pod racer.

>the starfighter was on autopilot, blowing up the space station was sheer luck

Which is even more retarded.

>"was immaculately conceived" - t. his slut mom

Your degenerate fan theories aren't canon.
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>>64485536
thew movie was gud shit senpai
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>>64485316
>>64485564
BTFO
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>>64485564
Unlike Rey, we are told why he is so powerful. Midichlorians.
If you don't like it, that's on you.
They didn't even bother trying to explain it with Rey.

>inb4 hurrr she's a Skywalker
no proof
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>>64485133
actually, that was the first podrace he even finished, much less won, but no OP, even back when it came out, no one pretended anakin wasn't a stu in tpm. Of course, then they overcorrected and aotc Anakin was basically nothing but failure and flaws.
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>>64485665
>Unlike Rey, we are told why he is so powerful. Midichlorians.

Yes, it's much better that strength in the Force is predetermined by microscopic organisms.

This has to be bait.
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>>64485133
Well yea he was supposed to be "the chosen one" That was the point, a really strong person how falls to the darkside
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>>64485564
>He's welcomed as part of the group immediately.
Obi wan distrusts him immediately, the jedi council don't want to train him.

>He did more for them then they did for him.
If they never meet, Anakin is still a slave. He owes them way more.

>That's retarded reasoning
anyone can build a computer, try inventing one

>Which is even more retarded.
AI exists in the star wars universe. the ships' AI did most of the work

>Your degenerate fan theories aren't canon.
all we have is her word, there's no canon explanation
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>>64485666
>actually, that was the first podrace he even finished

It's also the first one he ever competes in.

>no one pretended anakin wasn't a stu in tpm

No one called him that either. And they certainly weren't lining up to blow Max Landis over it.

Seemed like most people had a problem with Jake Lloyd being a bad actor.
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Who starts these threads over and over?

The last one just ended a minute ago and there's already a new one

It's unbearable
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>ywn be space jesus who gets rekt for killing the younglings and has to spend the rest of his life in an agonizingly painful cheap suit of armor

Feels good mane
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>>64485404
>we
*nods respectfully*
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>>64485742
strength in the force was always predetermined- 'the force is strong in my family'
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>>64485404
We hate Alien, Terminator, Kill Bill and all other IMBd trash. Fuck Tarantino his shit sucks.
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>>64485809
>the jedi council don't want to train him

And then allow it like a day later for no reason.

>all we have is her word, there's no canon explanation

Actually there is. It's Lucas canon that Sheev and Plagueis impregnated the mom by accident.
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>>64485133
anakin gets his arm cut off in his first lighsaber duel with a sith and he had training

so does luke

meanwhile rey wins without any training at all vs a trained jedi from birth
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>>64485133

You should be murdered for making such a terrible bait thread about a character that was suffering from the time he was born till his death and beyond, considering how terribly fated his children and grand children are.

Skywalker legacy is one of suffering.
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>>64485742
explanation>no explanation
kill yourself
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>>64485870

liberal arts fags hate quantification
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>>64485188
This
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>>64485870
Then her being a Skywalker should be good enough for you.
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>>64485911
Nah you're retarded. No explanation>shit explanation
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why does reddit/tumblr get so triggered for everyone (literally nearly everyone, not just /tv/) acknowledges the main character in the new SW themed movie is a mary sue?
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>>64485810
>It's also the first one he ever competes in.
No?
Warch the movie, retard.
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>>64485810
Shmi Skywalker: I don't want you to race Anni, it's awful. I die every time Watto makes you do it.
Anakin: But mom, I love it.
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anakin is the opposite of a mary sue
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>>64485941
This.
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>>64485940
Source?

>>64485941
just kill yourself
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>>64485978
She was talking about child porn.
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>>64485918
This.

>>64485991
Not this.
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>Comparing Rey to the single most hated character in the series as if that invalidates people's hatred of her

wew lad
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>>64485888
>And then allow it like a day later for no reason.
we don't know exactly when it happens, Obi Wan promises Qui-Gon on his deathbed that he will find a way to train the boy.

> It's Lucas canon that Sheev and Plagueis impregnated the mom by accident.
sounds EU fanwankery
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>>64485982
You misspelled embodiment.
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>>64486040
This.

>>64486040
Not this.
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>prequal's Anakin is a shit character
>this somehow redeems rey
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>>64486072
>we don't know exactly when it happens, Obi Wan promises Qui-Gon on his deathbed that he will find a way to train the boy.

And then proceeded to blow Yoda as a personal favor to allow the training of a kid that everyone is creeped out by.
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>>64485404
>>64485500
>>64485665
>>64485809
>>64485871
>>64486072
Who is we?
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>>64486072

That is a terrible explanation for what happened, they were manipulating basic building blocks trying to create a powerful force sensitive being and essentially one of the experiments succeeded but not how they intended

Because it wasn't controlled, or because the will of the force won't allow for that kind of manipulation, a being was created in the force but outside their direct control, in shmi skywalker.

In was more a backlash effect instead of something on purpose.

Space jesus was essentially a galactic mistake.
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>>64486142
Ask kanjiklub.
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>>64486142
KANJAKLUB
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>>64485949
it's a combination of "it's 2015!!" feminists feeling personally attacked and waifufags feeling personally attack
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>>64485564
>it's a redditor that replies line-by-line to every post episode
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>>64485911
wew lad
Everyone shits on midichlorians for removing the mystery of the force
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>>64486215
Just downvote and move on, friendo.
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>>64486239
>Everyone shits on midichlorians
Not everyone. I don't.
>for removing the mystery of the force
They didn't though. We already know from the OT the force has a genetic element.
THE MIDICHLORIANS ARE NOT THE FORCE.
WATCH THE GOD DAMN MOVIE.
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>>64486239

They're merely a way to get a rough estimate as to how force sensitive you are

makes no sense for the old and powerful Jedi Order to have no figured out a way to correlate Force sensitivity with some property, wait it does

ITS FUCKING GENETIC
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>>64486318
why would i watch a shit movie when i can go to my local theater and experience the best star wars ever put on screen ?
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>>64486362
Because you're trolling for (You)'s.
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>>64485894
Anakin, the supremely arrogant padawan gets his arm cut off fighting one of the most skilled duelists the Jedi had (before he left obviously).

Luke, the guy rushing off in the middle of his training gets his hand cut off by the guy who wiped out the Jedi order practically on his own, who was supposed to have the greatest connection to the force anyone had seen.

Rey, the girl who had enough proficiency with melee weapons to fend off two attackers, wins against a guy whose training is explicitly incomplete, who just got shot with something shown to be powerful enough to blow up cars if they existed, who just killed his father after days if not weeks if not years of struggling with the prospect, who just finished fighting a stormtrooper, and who wasn't even trying to kill her anyway.

Whoa it's SO weird that Rey didn't get fucked up as bad as the other two.
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>>64486398
no i seriopusly loved the movie i find it funny how hard people here are grasping at straws trying to be the special snowflake that hates a movie that's universally loved a space movie for kids much less
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>>64486318
>>64486324
>it's genetic
that would imply only force sensitives could spawn other force senstitives, which is obviously wrong
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>>64486419

STOP IT

STOP RIGHT NOW

ITS LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS

LET IT REST
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>>64486142
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>>64485133

>Comparing two shit movies to try and make a point

You aren't proving anything.
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>>64485133
Anakin was only a Mary Sue during the Phantom Menace (and pretty much all audiences hated him). He wasn't one in Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith
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>using the prequels as a measuring stick for your favourite character
top fucking kek
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>>64486512
Make me faggot.
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anakin>rey
Hundreds of thousand of kids wanted to be him for a reason
Hundreds of thousands of people want to fuck rey
grats feminism ur in da wars
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>>64485894
>comparing Dooku and Vader to Kylo

This has to stop. The movie made in painfully clear that Kylo's training was incomplete. Comparing him to two fully trained Sith Lords is unfair.
If you wanna talk unrealistic, talk about how Maul lost to a padawan after just killing a Jedi Master.
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>>64486419
>Rey, the girl who had enough proficiency with melee weapons to fend off two attackers

Using a staff =/= using a lightsaber. Also Kylo had the upper hand over her until she activated force super saiyan mode, where she got instantly skilled

>wins against a guy whose training is explicitly incomplete

Who could freeze a blaster bolt for years and trained under Luke for years, while Rey just figured out the force was real and could overpower him mentally and beat him a force pulling

> who just got shot with something shown to be powerful enough to blow up cars if they existed

Like I mentioned before, Kylo was still having the upper hand until Rey goes super saiyan. The injury meant jack shit

>who just killed his father after days if not weeks if not years of struggling with the prospect

That would make him more dangerous, not less

>who just finished fighting a stormtrooper

Because he sure did have a hard time putting down Finn

>and who wasn't even trying to kill her anyway

Neither was Vader

try again reyfag
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>>64486554
People hated him in II and III as well though. So implying that flaws makes a character great doesn't work is this instance.
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>>64486758
>training is incomplete
>holds a blaster bolt in the air while walking around
*just the tip*
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>>64486797
>Who could freeze a blaster bolt for years

I meant in mid air, what the fuck
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>>64486797
do real light sabers not handle like staffs? oh wait, light sabers aren't real. fuck off autist.
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>>64486540
>>64486594
>not liking the prequels

Stop reddit.
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first film of each trilogy features a mary sue. it's like pottery
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>>64486816
Are you purposely ignoring that they literally said it in the film to get your contrived point across?
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>>64486075
anakin fails at everything he attempts

he fails to save his mother

he fails to beat dooku

he fails to resist sheev

he fails to save padme

he fails to kill obi

he fails to turn luke to the dark side

hell all he ever succeeded really was winning the fucking pod race
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>>64486834
Not him but you can't cut off your own limbs with a staff so no it isn't the same m8
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>>64486858
REMINDER THAT DEFENDING THE PREQUELS IS REDDIT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3tj2w2/i_just_watched_all_six_movies_after_many_years_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/24hkra/sick_of_excessive_star_wars_prequel_bashing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3o8xwh/rant_why_i_like_the_prequels_more/
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>has more mitochondria than Yoda
>mitochondria

lmao
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>>64485133
>Mitochondria
>There are people who took this post seriously
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>>64487121
reddit is also starting to turn religious and make fun of fedora atheists.............
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>>64487121
>linking to reddit
/tv/ 2016
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>>64487169
They always made fun of the militant atheists.

Also
>Multiple correct solutions required
Just fucking kill me Google.
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>>64487203
reminder that a reddit get was allowed to reach bump limit while a Bane get was deleted after a few minutes
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>>64487322
To be fair it was a huge get
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>>64487348
for murder your family
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>>64487348
4444444u
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>>64486797
>All of those points are irrelevant because I say so
You could have saved us both the time.
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>>64487322
If a Sheevposter doesn't get 66666666 I will kill myself.
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>>64487348
Bane was the 60000000 iirc
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>>64485133
>rey is just like this shitty character from a shitty series that everyone hates

So your defense of Rey is to agree that she's a shitty uninteresting character?

Do you redditors even know what an argument is?
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>>64487322
>>64487455
>>64487477
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Because he eventually becomes the mass-murdering right-hand-man to a galactic tyrant, and we know this before we meet him as a child.
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kylo ren let her win. he's clearly into bdsm and sado masochism. probably a cuck as well or he would have killed finn.
literally 4chan the character.
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>>64485133
Anakin gets a pass because we know he will become vader, but episode 1 is pure trash.

The only good things about it (ep 1) were:
Maul
Qui gon
Ben K
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>>64487672
Qui Gon was a boring asshole but Maul looked cool I guess.
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>>64486324
>DARTH MAUL, WHAT DOES THE POWER SCANNER SAY ABOUT HIS MIDICHLORIANS?
>IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what you want, hope you realize that.
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>>64486142
tell that to kanjiklub
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>>64487772
he looks a bit like Anakin in that pic tbqh
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>>64487792
Anakin + Tarkin lovebaby
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Why didn't Yodin train Anaconda?
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>>64485133
>He's incredibly competent at everything
And yet he failed at everything and died being hated by everyone.
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>>64487947
he was busy with the younglings
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>>64487971
According to Lucas, he fulfilled the prophecy by shafting Sheev.

That was the prophecy all along.

That Anakin would restore balance to the Force by throwing Sheev down a hole.
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you people just hate children and want to kill them

same as jar jar and black people
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>>64485133
he actually he is in episode 1, and thats why hes shit
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>>64485133
>build protocol droids
did he really build a protocol droid or did he just take one apart and try to give himself credit like that middle school clock terrorist?
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>>64486717
>its a "the artist picked a episode 3 face" porn
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>>64485133
Except for the part where he went through serious emotional turmoil resulting in a genocidal rampage and eventual redemption. He's still not a good character, but at the very least he's not a non-character like rey. And why are we still talking about this?
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>>64488713
>Except for the part where he went through serious emotional turmoil resulting in a genocidal rampage and eventual redemption
well if you give him 6 movies then you should grant rey more than one
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>>64487725

It's like a rough snapshot of your ceiling, not an assurance you will achieve it or that your other personal characteristics won't help or hinder your ability

obviously Anakin was severely hindered
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>>64486215

It's called being mature...
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Yeah Anakin sucks and is a mary sue. But everyone knows the prequels suck and Anakin is a meme. The problem is people try to act like the Force Awakens is a great movie and Rey is a great character when she's an even worse Mary Sue than Anakin.
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>>64485188
Yep. As much as I hate siding with feminists, if Rey was a boy it wouldn't be questioned.
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>>64485894
To correct a few things:
>We're talking about first movies
>Rey didn't win
>Kylo wasn't trying to kill her
>Kylo was trying to recruit her
>Kylo lost
>Rey almost certainly was trained
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>>64489302
>Kylo wasn't trying to kill her
>Kylo was trying to recruit her
Tell that to Luke
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>>64488995
>The problem is people try to act like the Force Awakens is a great movie
Pretty good movie.
> and Rey is a great character
Pretty good character.
> an even worse Mary Sue than Anakin.
Nope.
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>>64485133
>Anakin is a shitty Mary Sue, just like Rey

I don't see your point, OP.
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>>64489353
Tell what to Luke? That Vader knew what the fuck he was doing?

Vader disarmed Luke before trying to open up and recruit him. Kylo didn't. Kylo fucked up.
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>>64489456
He only fuck up when he didn't see a power up coming out of nowhere.
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>>64489543
So is English not your first language?
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>>64485133
Mary sue is for women, it's a female name.
It would be Gary Stu or something for men.
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>>64485404
this

virgins are pathetic
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>Kid Anakin
>Padawan Anakin
>Jar Jar Binks
>Ewoks
>Maz Kanata
>Rey


Can we agree the following are some of the worst aspects of Star Wars?
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>>64489764
yep.
finn talking like a stereotypical black teen was fucking awful too

>"droid, please!"
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>>64485133
Analkin is a shit character just like Rey.

What's your point you, dumb fucking nigger?
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>>64485404
What I like about old Women characters, is that EVERYONE didnt feel a need to call Attention to it like some FEminizt SJW. LOOK LOOOOOK!! STYONG WOMYEN CHARACCCCCTER!!!!. IT just happened and people enjoyed the movie and were like. Cool. Whatever.
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REY: I'll try stabbing, that's a good trick!
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>>64486797
>using a lightsaber
Like if it's a hard thing
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>>64490157
Come to think of it, Sheev did a lot of stabbing with his lightsaber too.
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>>64490488
i really like when a movie gives me 1/10 of a character so i'll wait for more

(just kidding, she was more like 5 or 6 specially considering how Ridley saved the writing a lot)
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>>64485188
I didn't mind Rey, but she was a Mary Sue compared to Luke and Anakin.
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>>64485133
Was Dexter Jettster a mary sue?
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>>64491034
He's a plot device that George put in so he could make American Graffiti in space.
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>>64491034
its been a while since ive seen that, but why didnt he just make up a a character who is a dedicated expert regarding reading those symbols or pick another already existing one that makes more sense (like yoda) than a diner owner
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>>64490833
The Mary Sue-posters do have a point, but the only part that felt really unrealistic regarding her character to me was the mind trick she pulled.
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>>64485133
Because he wasn't created by a fan. Mary Sue is so often misused that when it is actually used correctly those using it are still criticized for using it wrong.
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>if rey was 10 years old /tv/ would praise her
heu
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>>64492390

if George Lucas had made Anakin kill Darth Maul the first time he picked up a lightsaber in TPM he would have been assassinated
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In terms of plot probably, but they spent 3 films building his character up.

What people are reacting to is that they just dropped in this character out of nowhere who is literally the most powerful person in the universe.
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>>64492486
mate everyone hated when anakin blew up that ship, it was literally "hi little 5yo you want to be anakin dont you, he can do such great things" which doesnt work very well on kids but apparently it works on woman ages 15-30
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>>64487086
this

the fact that Anakin ends up as Vader should be proof enough that he fucked up big time and isn't a Mary Sue like Rey.
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>>64485133
>>64485188
Now this is shitposting!
>butthurt star redditors have to rehash their spammed threads to defend Rey and get destroyed every time
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>>64485133
Why is Anakin such a shitty character? How can anyone unironically like him?
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>>64493340
Watch TCW.
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>mitochondria

Why did I laugh so much at this. Fuck me
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>>64485404
THIS.

rey is 100% perfect. and they hammer her in so bad. the whole thing where she's like "why u holding my hand", she does it like what, 3 times? she gets involved in the story ONLY because of bb8 but apparently now she's a force sensitive amazing (allegedly) descendant of luke?

she uses force powers that she couldn't know existed, she beats up stormtroopers, she flies the millenium falcon with perfection, better than han solo, knows about secret stuff in the ship he didn't, and has to tell him basic shit like whatever button in the front panel han somehow didn't know about. and the fucking lightsaber vision...and then everybody loves her. when han dies (allegedly), leia hugs her like they were lifelong friends and chewbacca stands there like a dope and leaves. WHAT THE FUCK?!

then when fighting ren, she just goes "...the force..." and beats him?! the kylo was injured argument is fucking bullshit. how can we have a main villain be obliterated by this NOBODY in the first movie?!

she is the DEFINITION of mary sue. jj said it himself in interviews, he wanted boys AND girls (equally) to be into the movie, so what does he do? a black dude with a NONSENSE story being almost reduced to comic relief and being bad at pretty much everything, and a whiney am-i-supposed-to-believe-ford+fisher=that-face poser. also poe who is allegedly gay and has a few minutes of screen time.

there are no normal men in the movie, let alone perfect hero men, but they are still the best part of the movie. boyega, driver and isaac are the highlight of the movie (ford doesn't count)

rey is infallible.

i think JJ is ok but they fucked it up with the script big time.

coming soon, Ep VIII when Rey teaches Luke how to use a lightsaber
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>>64493340

I related to him almost entirely growing up

he even looks similar and I had a big thing for Padme
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