Why do people hate the prequels again? Besides the abomination that is Jar-Jar, most of the things I've seen being criticized are things the original trilogy was already guilty off, like dragging out with unnecessary subplot sequences and putting in elements that sell merch rather than help build a story, did we suddenly forget about ewoks existing in the first place?
I don't get it. Is there anything i'm missing?
1. They weren't perfect and people were expecting greatness for decades
2. Meme-tier Reddit "reviewers" revisited them after the fact to make a "le phunny" nitpick review of them after the fact that made hating the prequels and actual meme
You can apply 90% of the criticisms of the prequels to various parts of the OT
no matter how bad the props or costumes were they still aged better than George's lazy CGI
these scenes look awesome though
the spectacle literally would not have been possible without CGI, notice that all of the land battle scenes in the OT and TFA are small-scale and meme tier
Yeah, that's one pretty valid criticism and you're correct
I can see why they'd do it with things like the droids, creatures and ships, but why did they have to do it with the troopers? The rest doesn't look nearly as bad as those fucking robot-motion troopers
>>64475341 is still right though, they went for spectacular battle scenes and they used the means to obtain what they wanted, a macro-scale set of skirmishes that wouldn't've been possible otherwise
To put it another way, there is only one actual character in that entire battle sequence. Yoda. So Yoda is commanding a battle between a bunch of robots and a bunch of mindless clones. Which is the problem with every scene of the clone wars. Huge battle sequences between a huge number of combatants, and there isn't a single shred of actual conflict. Just literal mindless irrelevant violence.
Furthermore, instead of pulling that shit out of the sky like he should've been able to do by his own words in empire, he orders a bunch of clones to shoot it down.
I never enjoyed the prequels because I was never sure who I was supposed to root for. The whole Trade Federation bullshit was abstract and weird. The clone troopers looked like (bad guy) stormtroppers and the droid army was funny and kinda cute. The Jedis were all uptight assholes, and the Sith were cartoony.
If I don't know who to root for, I can't invest. If I can't vest, then I don't give a shit, and everything becomes an expensive screensaver.
The new Battlefront was made a year ago
should we discuss how the Tauntauns in ESB move at 2 frames per second and look like jittery play dough?
>oh noes things don't look completely real
>flat or unlikable characters
>tons of cartoonish, little kiddie shit where it isn't needed
>legendarily bad dialogue
>plot points that were either poorly defined, eventually completely ignored, or just totally incoherent
>the natural, realistic, organic tone of the originals was replaced by shiny plastic
I mean these are just a few that come to mind. There have been whole documentaries written on why these movies suck. I suspect that /tv/ is giving them a second look because of they were at least new, original creations where as The Force Awakens was largely a retread with strong SJW/PC themes that people have grown extremely sick of.
I just watched Episodes 1 and 2,
then the entirety of The Clone Wars,then Episode 3.
Episode 3 is the most likeable, only because it's like a prologue to the original trilogy. Maybe I'm a sap, but I felt pretty sad when Yoda felt the Jedi dying and he dropped his staff and put his hand on his head. Also pic related was a good part, it was a good line and kind of makes the rise of the Empire believable. Basically Sheev's just playing on people's fears, it's kind of scary because that's how it actually happens in reality, just look at Trump.
It's kind of weird seeing so much of Sheev in the prequels since you rarely see him in the originals. He's probably the best character of the prequels.
I actually don't mind the CGI or the flashy lightsabers battles (though I like the more they were in the OT and 7 and I dislike 7 overall) but the story of the prequels was executed in a retarded way, good premise but everything they did and how they did it was retarded as was anakin's character development which was the whole point of the sequels.
1. They had no need to be made
2. They were filled with boring quasi-political dialog
3. They often do not follow the basic rule of film "show, don't tell" particularly when it comes to thing that are important to character developement or main plot
4.The character of Anakin Skywalker makes stramge/alien desicions the audience has a hard time sympathizing with and seems like a bad guy from episode 2 on.
5. Bad unrelatable dialog
6. Little tension (Yes, I'm aware it's set during "more peaceful times"but that is not an excuse)
7. Bad Cgi that doesn't stand up as well as some of the effects used in the original films
The list goes on, but I'm tired of typing
Also, it's weirdly anticlimactic seeing Dooku die right at the start of Episode 3, he was such a huge villain in Episode 2
and The Clone Wars.
The only important events in Episode 1 were Sheev becoming Chancellor, the Jedi discovering Anakin, and we see a bit of Padme. These events could have been worked into a more relevant movie.
The prequels are very well-made movies that say the Jedis are dumb. They're a dumb fucking cult. And of course this is absolutely true: joining a stupid cult is the whole appeal. "Use the force," right? "Go to a swamp and let an old man hit you with sticks until you hallucinate."
Consequently, fans want these films to be bad. Nobody likes being made fun of, after all. But the prequels simply aren't bad. They are good movies, that are making fun of you.
Prequel-hate is a square peg for a round hole. Fans hate the content, but try to attack the form - when the form is unassailable. And that is why this argument will never go away.
The more you know about the prequels, the way that they were made, the baffling decisions that Lucas made behind the scenes, and the drama surrounding the production the worse and worse the movies get. When you don't know a thing about the prequels they just seem like harmless fun space adventure movies maybe with some cringy dialogue and too many "roger roger" inserts. So the hate towards them makes no sense. When you actually sit down and think critically about them and then read about the way that they were created it all really starts feeling really offputting.
People bitching about Jar Jar and other surface-level nonsense are redditors.
It's been almost 20 years and I still don't actually know what the plot to The phantom menace is.
Okay I get that basically its the story of how palpatine became chancellor but that is not what the movies about making all the conflict pointless
Idiots don't want to see how the star wars universe worked. These people don't care for world building and don't want new ideas. That's why they like ep 7 so much. They just want rehashes.
Turns out the way that the universe worked was that a bunch of random assholes who are apparently senators but don't behave anything like senators gather in a giant mushroom building and just yell out things that cause sweeping changes to the way the galaxy functions. Also there's a supreme chancellor who is essentially a dictator, apparently a lot of corruption that we never see, and an order of flaccid creepy monks called "Jedi" that just sort of do whatever the want and have strange contradictory practices and it's a miracle that in the 10,000 generations they've existed they haven't imploded due to in-fighting.
The characters are absolutely dreadful, apart from a few scenes from one or 2 guys.
Look at Han Solo, he was simply incredible, so much so that a lot of successful flicks int he following years copied his archetype, like John McClane and Riggs from lethal weapon
Vader was a powerful villain, he had screen presence, something you'd have to be mentally challenged to say the same about Darth Maul.
very good call
the stop motion in TESB is not up to modern standards
in the original cut, the snow speeders had really visible blue matte lines around them too
the space worm is obvioulsy a fucking hand puppet too
George probably wants us to watch all three prequels at once, but it's too much to sit through, isn't it?
Darth Vader before you saw the prequels:
Intimidating and scary yet cool. an impressive and powerful figure.
Darth Vader after you saw the prequels:
> Sand hating faggot who's confused about love yet kills kids for no reason . Also could have saved his mommy from rape but couldnt be bothered.
THIS is why the prequels are shit, they fucking destroyed Vader forever so whenever I watch the OT again all I see is that Hayden spermbag under Vaders mask.
People want to totally suspend their critical eye for the OT while hyper-analyzing the PT, it isn't fair
I can watch both and suspend disbelief thanks to my imagination, that's how enjoying Star Wars works, I really don't get it, just fill in the realism for yourself because at the end of the day technology is a barrier
>but why did they have to do it with the troopers? The rest doesn't look nearly as bad as those fucking robot-motion troopers
That's gotta be my biggest complaint, they were appalling. Their proportions weren't even accurate, their chests were flatter than a 14 year old boy it's ridiculous.
You've obviously never paid attention to anything about the OT. People have been mocking it and picking it apart for decades. Stormtroopers clunking their heads on doors, Luke being a whiny piece of shit for the first half of ANH, fucking ewoks, odd dialogue choices and cheesy effects. Then the criticisms got even worse with the special editions which essentially just shoveled a whole bunch of pointless changes and bad 90's CGI into the movies for people to get mad about.
The prequels get over-analyzed, but they beg to be because the story doesn't make any sense so people go deeper into it to try and figure out what is happening and why and they just come up with even more questions. The OT (save for Jedi) is pretty simple and straightforward. Hell if it was released today people would slam those movies for being super light on story and painfully generic. No one is accusing the prequel trilogy of being light on story or generic.
TESB was a really cheap looking film when it cam out.
People forget that or totally blank the facts because "it was dark"
I could go on.
The Wampa was so shit they cut half the shot footage out
The set inside the space worm has visible plastic sheeting on the floor
Cloud City sets are as bland as fuck. The Special Edition CGI really is better in this one
That Dagobah scene with the phantom Vader - still terrible to this day - good idea, fucked direction
But it's DARK maaan! No Jawas or Ewoks maaan!
Why were the clone wars called the clone wars if only half of the conflict was clones? Shouldn't it be called the trade wars since it seemed to be all the various commerce clans that separated?
Also why after the first battle does yoda say "begun the clone wars have"? Isn't that like a german official in 1914 saying "And so begins World War 1!"
You're missing part of their point that the characters in the OT are actually good
Nobody wants to suffer through Jar Jar's bullshit, Anakin's whining, R2D2 creating new powers at every turn, and Yoda going against everything he said in the OT
it was jarring
The "story" that the prequels is trying to tell is pretty interesting and if you look into the expanded material like books, games, and the clone wars show it's all pretty fascinating and those characters come to live. However if you just focus on the movies it's just a goddamn mess. Like when you see tv show grievous and then watch how he's handled in EP. III it's just insulting to people that like that character. He doesn't even act like himself.
You get this odd circumstance where the Expanded Universe material is better than what was in the movies and does a whole lot more to inform and flesh out the characters and you sort of have to suffer their movie incarnations. This is the opposite of what is normally true where movie Han Luke and Leia were way the fuck better than they were in books or other material.
Explain what the treaty was supposed to do in Episode I and why palpatine wanted it signed so badly. Then explain Sifo-dias and his ordering of the clone troopers and then explain how palpatine intended the clone army to be revealed and used by the Republic to start this conflict that he needs. Lastly explain Padme's impending death through childbirth and Anakain's 10 minute journey from noble jedi to youngling slayer. And lastly explain why every character is roughly shoved into their episode IV start positions at the end of the movie.
Real life isn't a movie unless it's a documentary. We don't want to see someone awkwardly espouse "realistic sounding shitty dialogue" while being a space wizard holding a lazer sword standing on a floating platform over a river of lava on an alien moon in a galaxy far far away.
yes it is
Everyone has been exploited. It's a shit remake of ANH with different toys to buy and a Mary Sue for the girls
it's a cynical unorigianl crapfest exploiting the zeitgeist to sell some new Disney toys
The treaty itself is hazy but the dispute is being used by Palpatine as a tool to get himself elected to Chancellor.
wasn't this Count Dooku? He wanted the clone army as a plant within the Republic to help the Emperor in his coup
She wouldn't have died if Anakin hadn't turned and become evil. She had no will to live after that. It's a paradox of fate but makes sense through the Force prophecy. Basically, Anakin is a slave to fate. Damned if he does or doesn't, he thinks he's helping by trying to realize Sith powers when this is precisely the course of action that is bringing about her death.
The one with such gripping, emotional dialogue as:
>Luke, I am your father
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *scrunchy face*
ZOMG!!!! HOW UNREALISTIC
nice parroting you're fitting in just fine
whether the movie was done for financial reasons or creative ones, Disney righted the ship by putting the franchise back in the hands of the fans, and away from Lucas. TFA is a film (yes its an actual film that somebody directed) that feels like the first entry in the Star Wars saga in 32 years and it recaptured everything people loved about the OT with no senate hearings or trade disputes or any other stupid bullshit
I'm saying that when you watched the OT you just thought "ok now Obi has to mutilate Ani heavily so he can be put in his suit"
That's that, you know the destination and the journey was a shitty one.
With an utterly useless, lifeless, rehashed plot
you liked that? You're a child
This movie was forged by a committee with the intention of maximum profit and directed by Mr. Soulless Sci-Fi Rehash himself, JJ Abrams
You guys are so petty
every episode of Star Wars has laughable moments of execution and yet its just not forgivable for RotS to have not had a 10/10, Oscar-worthy fall from grace
I can believe it because it's ugly, that's how these things are
OP, and the rest of you lot look at this video:
It sort of changed my mind of the opinion on the prequels. But basically, he's signifying the lore,worldbuilding, and similarity of Luke and Anakin's struggle in becoming Jedi.
tl;dw Basically he says the PT are atrocious films, but they have a good concepts and theme that were not made apparent/executed well by George
which is literally what every prequel fan says,so I suppose its kind of true?
Anyone who isn't intellectually bankrupt can tell TFA's tone and cinematographic style is far far more different than any other Star Wars movie, you are too easily swayed by superficial things like characters and factions.
>They had no need to be made
They were going to be made the moment George decided to put Episode V: on Empire Strikes Back.
But yeah, the rest of your points I can kind of see, although I don't really care for visuals and CGI as they usually just add to a story.
In both trilogies, George was trying to emphasize making your own decisions, and not being bound by destiny
i.e light/dark side, sith/jedi. In the OT, this is very apparent due to the need to save his friends from the grip of the Empire, and save his father. However, in the PT, we can't really connect with the people Anakin want to save, in this case, from the Jedi and their codes, and it all falls apart from there.
everything you say there sounds like a quote of something you've read and not an actual opinion
you can repeat the same shit as many times as you like but it will never be a fact
This film is creatively sterile. A reworking of an original concept but with a subtext fitting the current zeitgeist that 'all white men are evil and stupid' and diversity will win the day.
Nothing wong with diversity at all, of course, but this simplistic meme is beneath contempt.
90%? You're being generous. I'd say 95% at the very
Mediocre forbes article, blatantly ignoring Ockham's razor. Literally the only good thing about that was giving me a link to the original "Mary Sue" story.
reading that makes me think I may have enjoyed the prequels better if they skipped episode one all together some how and started with the clones and spent more time with Anakin's training, his relationship with Obi Wan and his eventual fall to the darkside. Nothing that happened in episode one I think is necessary and the parts that are could easily be summed up with small bits of dialogue explaining it.
>Disney righted the ship by putting the franchise back in the hands of the fans
When the fuck was this franchise ever in the hands of the fans, beyond shitty fan fics? It's just tepid development-by-focus group.
Hmm no, not really.
Implying Han, Leia and Vader weren't.
>tons of kiddie shit
I'll take "what are ewoks" for $500.
Again, like the OT, the prequels alternated between pretty good and shitty as fuck dialogues. Even TFA was like that, it's a Star Wars thing.
That much I'll concede you, however the scale and scope of events in the PT wouldn't have been feasible with practical effects.
>poor plot points
Just as much as the OT.
If you can't see this, you're either a nostalgic fag, an edgy pleb, or blind.
>They weren't perfect
Fuck "not perfect", they weren't even "competent".
>Meme-tier Reddit "reviewers" revisited them after the fac
They were hated before Reddit, 4chan, or the rest of the modern internet were even things. The first Phantom Edits were made before Episode II was even out.
cause Youtube e celebs and faggot redditors say