So I just saw this for the first time.
And WHAAAAT THE FUCK
Am I the only one who had no idea this movie was about more that an AI going bad? Like, thats not even the point of the movie. My whole like I had the impression the whole thing was about HAL and Dave.
Who has seen this, and wtf is that ending??
I can't imagine watching that on acid.
>who has seen this?
You have to have the tiniest imagination, the shortest sight, and you probably haven't watched many movies, if you really don't have any idea what this movie is about.
It's literally what 80% of Clarke's stories are about.
a dominant theme is evolution of man.
The black monolith marks evolution.
Monkeys see it, they grow, the see it as an object foreign to them and their knowledge. They then learn to make tools with bones, they use this in war.
Man discovers it on the moon, learns there is more to their pre concieved knowledge of reality.
The same technology that allows them to travel to space becomes a downfall as Hal kills most of them, man become reliant on it and it was a downfall in this scenario.
Dave must go back to basics to use a tool in form of screwdriver to take apart hals AI,he then goes on a trip of his own and it takes him to infinite beyond.
Then he is sort of reborn into the baby due to a better understanding of what he thought was reality, there is so much more and it plays with so many things, but this is a constant theme in the movie.
Lots of little goodies layered in, google it and people have all types of diff thoughts on it.
Fun Fact, in the secret space meeting with all big wigs, only the USA flag is waving in the room with all other flags not moving which is what the American Flag on the moon was also waving, people suggest all types of things....
Your supposed to watch, rewatch, rewatch, go talk about it, read about analysis on it, rewatch... enjoy it.
The monolith is a representation of the cinema screen.
2001: A Space Odyssey is basically about the characters becoming aware that they inside a film.
Dave Bowman transforms into a higher consciousness being after travelling through the monolith, and returns to Earth to share the new found knowledge.
The film is an allegory for man's understanding of the mysteries of human consciousness, as we are encouraged to explore and critically apply ourselves to this present reality.
I don't think it's really intended to be a "Watch this shit high nigga" movie, even though it's pretty out there.
In my opinion there are a lot of finer plots in the movie, HAL being aware and reacting to the crew is just one.
Fully disagree, he is also right about monolith mirroring the cinema screen the viewer watches because it reinforces the fact that the movie is made with intention of making the watcher grow.
the ending is much clearer in the Novel. The novel/movie relationship is kind of a weird one in this case as the movie was written by Kubrick and Arthur C Clarke together, but while the film was in production Clarke wrote a novelization of it that released at roughly the same time as the film.
The novel is amazing by the way
It's pretty funny because the book shows the movie is actually extremely literal:
Color space is Dave literally travelling through space and watching exotic astronomical phenomena
The house thing is an hologram by the ayyliums to evaluate humankind's maturity
Then the last monolith evolves Dave into the Star Child (remember? Just like they used the first monolith to evolve the monkeys?)
It's sci-fi, not some ultra deep allegory about random shit or anything.
I see the basic idea as
>man picks up tools and rises above the animals, starting an inexorable progress of technology
>man's tools inevitably become as smart as him, and a conflict will arise
>in order to continue as a species, man (Dave) and his tools (HAL) must merge and become a new being (the starchild)
there's a lot more going on that that though.
>It’s not a message that I ever intend to convey in words. 2001 is a nonverbal experience; out of two hours and nineteen minutes of film, there are only a little less than forty minutes of dialog. I tried to create a visual experience, one that bypasses verbalized pigeonholing and directly penetrates the subconscious with an emotional and philosophic content. To convolute McLuhan, in 2001 the message is the medium. I intended the film to be an intensely subjective experience that reaches the viewer at an inner level of consciousness, just as music does; to “explain” a Beethoven symphony would be to emasculate it by creating an artificial barrier between conception and appreciation. You’re free to speculate as you wish about the philosophical and allegorical meaning of the film—and such speculation is indication that it has succeeded in gripping the audience at a very deep level—but I don’t want to spell out a verbal road map for 2001 that every viewer will feel obligated to pursue or fear he’s missed the point. I think that if 2001 succeeds at all, it is in reaching a wide spectrum of people who would not often give a thought to man’s destiny, his role in the cosmos and his relationshop to higher forms of life. But even in the case of someone who is highly intelligent, certain ideas found in 2001 would, if presented as abstractions, fall rather lifelessly and be automatically assigned to pat intellectual categories; experienced a moving visual and emotional context, however, they can resonate within the deepest fibers of one’s being.
All he's saying is that he left stuff open to interpretation, he even says he wanted it to be "subjective" which proves that he didn't really have some grand vision about philosophical allegory that is any deeper than what is presented in the book.
Sure it's fun to speculate and build your own headcanon but when you look at it objectively it's a pretty transparent movie.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love 2001 but I just don't think it hides the meaning of life or anything.
>I don't think it's really intended to be a "Watch this shit high nigga" movie, even though it's pretty out there.
A lot of it's early success was due to the films length syncing perfectly with the effects of dropping acid (if you drop during the black screen start by the time he's going through the wormhole you are tripping serious balls).