What a great build up to
whats up with the opening on the first episode?
ayyliens? WHY? (by the way is this a new trope? american horror story also introduced ayylmaos and did nothing with them)
Why did the black guy get a office job?
Why was there a "documentary" episode? to give a aura of mystery to the indian betraying the gearhearts?
Can you explain to me exactly why you didn't like the aliens? Bonus points if you can clearly, concisely state why they are objectively bad. I ask because I quite liked them, and their cameo in the second to last episode was one of my favorite parts of this season.
Also, Milligan got an office job because he fancied himself to be something of a hero or a conqueror. He explicitly compares himself to a king and compares his quest to manifest destiny and he dresses like a cowboy. The irony is that he doesn't realize the age of heroes and explorers and conquerors is gone. He succeeds in defeating the Gerhardts through sheer force of will and tenacity, and his reward is an office job, because that's all the world has to give to people like him nowadays. His character arc and ending to his story was my favorite of the season overall.
I loved the alien bit. For me, it justified the cheesy "this is a true story" bits at the beginning of every fucking episode. The fact is you can't really ever know what happened at any given place and time, even if a hundred people survive to tell the tale. It's kinda like the ending to the Sopranos. Look up all the wacky shit David Chase said about alternate realities to get an idea of what I mean.
The one thing that bothered me was Hanzee becoming Tripoli because
NATIVE GUYS CAN'T GROW ITALIAN-GUY BEARDS
to me, it was because they felt like a cheap wild card.
what were they supposed to mean?
some sort of PSTD manifestation because of the vietnam war? id be cool with it if the ayylmaos didnt influence the story in such a meaningful way (helping lou to kill the bear gerhart)
agree on milligan's character, if anything i'd have love to see him in desperation a little bit more, i didnt feel the threat of The Undertaker
Aliens bothered me a lil but all together it was a better season than the first. The finale sucked but everything wrapped up in the second to last episode. The finale was just some lame wrap up shit. Milligan getting the office job was a good twist because he thought he did it all for nothing pretty much.
>I loved the alien bit. For me, it justified the cheesy "this is a true story" bits at the beginning of every fucking episode
reddit, so the only reason is "because of maymays"? fucking shite.
the rest of your post is fine.
One thing to remember about the aliens is the unreliable narrator facet. The one episode is framed as a book, and Lou recalls thinking he saw an alien spaceship while he was being suffocated by Bear. Bear is shown to have gotten distracted by the spaceship and that's how Lou was able to kill him, but maybe the truth is Bear was distracted by something else going on in the shootout?
I don't think the aliens meant anything deep. I think they were just flavor, mostly.
They didn't make sense thematically. There was no kind of explanation offered at all, either for why they appeared, or what it could have meant for the characters who saw it. I would have liked it more if it had been tied in better, but Lou and Hank were both just like "lol that happened xD" without really talking about it. Also the aliens not having any connection to hank made the "alien symbols" cliffhanger seem really cheap.
I guess I couldn't explain why inserting magical fairies into Mad Men would be objectively bad, but I definitely wouldn't like that either.
>deus ex machina
Those are generally used to help writers out when they've written themselves into a corner. Was the alien ship showing up here a dues ex machina? No, I don't think so. The scene was deliberately engineered to include it. It could very easily have been excluded, bear in mind.
Do you guys remember that random dude at the gas station from episode 3 who was talking about the aliens? He said that he believed their intentions were "benevolent."
I wonder if there's something to that. I mean, the aliens get Rye killed the first time, and save Lou (so he can kill Bear) the second time.
You're arguing that the scene is written to include it but that is a given, yet there was no organic way to include them, they were a plot device used to save a character, a plot device that only worked because of the tenuous plausibility established by setting it up in other meaningless uses. They show the UFO before so you'll accept it's appearance then, but they only served that one purpose in that one scene, having the characters en masse ignore their presence does not work to make the viewer simply dismiss it as well. They were established before so they could show up in that one scene.
>dude, but bear has him, how do we write him living, do we kill him?
>fuck no, he's turned out too cool. OK, he is below bear passing out and...aliens show up, distracting bear.
>dude, we'll just show the flying saucer a couple of times in earlier episodes so it's not like it came from out of fucking nowhere.
>wow. Think we'll get an Emmy
>lol, not this time
That's how it looks like.
They didn't need to have that happen, though. They could have had Hanzee shoot Bear after he killed Ma and Lou could have just picked off baddies from the flank.
But they didn't do that. They had Bear fight and overpower Lou to set up the spacecraft appearing.
I will agree the "lol that happened" comment in the finale was horrible.
Is there even an organic way to include aliens? You're implying they wrote up to that part where Bear is choking out Lou and that they realized then they wrote themselves into a corner, and only then did they decide to go back and add the aliens, so they could save Lou? That's a hilarious notion. There was any number of ways they could have saved Lou, they didn't need to write in the aliens to do it.
Jeffrey Donovan (Dodd Gerhardt): “[Creator Noah Hawley] wants the audience to believe what they want to believe. He always intended it to be a weather balloon. But in the 70s imagination and the fear that’s going on . . . that’s what’s playing on these people’s psyche, this kind of collective delusion and how impressionable they all are. I think it was more that than it was any aliens. I never felt that there were aliens. Also the xenophobia of not just that state but probably our whole country. Remember, we just came out of Khrushchev and Nixon and we’re terrified of the Cold War and Vietnam, and everyone foreign was always a threat. I think he was just trying to play into that.”
>Is there even an organic way to include aliens?
Yes, a space setting or part of the very premise will allow for the presence to be quite natural.
>You're implying they wrote up to that part where Bear is choking out Lou and that they realized then they wrote themselves into a corner, and only then did they decide to go back and add the aliens, so they could save Lou? That's a hilarious notion. There was any number of ways they could have saved Lou, they didn't need to write in the aliens to do it.
You're half right. I didn't imply it, it was an outright statement and yes it was in the form of a joke and appreciate that you found it hilarious. Given that wasGo their only use or contribution to the story, they might as well have been migrating geese that people would simply notice. It did need to be aliens, but lacking any meaning from their presence, I have to move on to function within the story.
They wanted a shocker. Just a few dead bodies wasn't enough to give the massacre the gravity it carried in Season 1. And aliens were big in the 70s, so they tied an alien theme to the first 8 episodes of the show, and had aliens show up in 9.
I agree OP.
I'e been saying it this whole time, but S1 >>> S2. S2 wasn't bad, infact it's a fantastic sophomore effort, but it didn't get. There were too many cooks, I couldn't sink my teeth into the characters enough. S1 is the comfiest TV series of all time, imo
it was the opposite for me regarding the number of characters, i think this is one of the few series that has done it right.
everyone had a spotlight, the chemistry was on point.
what you described fits to TD s2, it felt disjointed, even if the characters werent that poorly written as tv thinks
Fair enough. I'm glad that Hawley wasn't shy in regards to killing his darlings, but again, I just couldn't get into the season. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but the last 2 episodes were like an epilogue. I just don't think it was strong enough, but I also agree with it successfully juggling the amount of characters, I just didn't like them like I did the first season
I loved TD s2
the build up was to episode 9. it was the orgasm . episode 10 was the cigarette after the orgasm
you fucking children have been primed to think that all shows should always end with a bang. fucking kill yourselves
malvo and lester are iconic, thats for sure.
i wasnt ready for the emotional punch that TD s2 delivered, despite of its flaws, i liked it too.
i cant get myself to rewatch it because the feels will hit me hard