I'm not hopping on the backlash wagon, but they had a skeleton of a good movie and they fucked up adding the meat to it. I think there were a few really important omissions. Also if it turns out Rey is nothing but a Mary Sue I'm gonna be disappointed.
"You were the most force sensitive child I'd ever come across!!" I can see it happening already
>>64450843 You know the force shit didn't bother me because well it's the force so God knows how it works and how easy/hard it is to use and master. To me the fact that she was an expert in everything else, flying ships, repairing ships, alpha manning Han Solo on his own ship, being an expert tactician, that shit annoyed me more because it's like she had no weakness other than WAHHHHH FLASHBACKS AND PREMONITIONS SCARE ME which she got over in seconds.
I have been noticing a lot of unskilled directors these days think strong woman = Mary Sue hardened bitch and this is complete shit. It's ok to make a strong woman character and embrace femininity but these shithead cucks are so afraid to do that. I though I would hate Finn the most in these movies, nah he's ok she's the worst character by far.
>>64451456 Well for one thing the whole point of Han Solo was that Luke needed a pilot and a good one. He didn't just randomly and magically commandeer a random ship and fly it like a master day 1. In fact he played the bumbling shooter role that Finn did.
>>64451456 In ANH he lacks confidence and is unsure. When Obi offers him everything he ever wanted (to leave Tatooine and take part in something greater), he initially refuses. He fails to connect with the force in Obi's training excercise. Han does most of the heavy lifting in the Death Star, and in piloting the Falcon. It's not until the climax where Luke finally grasps the Force and saves the day.
In Empire Luke is more confident, a battle hardened hero, but faces a greater challenge in learning the ways of the Jedi and confronting his fears in facing Vader. He clashes with Yoda's training of a more stoic nature, and charges headlong into Vader and gets almost killed for it.
Luke in Jedi flirts with the Dark Side, and ultimately must resist it to save his father.
Compare to Rey in Force Awakens. We're told she does not want to leave Jakku - then why does she have that moment with the Rebel helmet? She does not crave such adventure, supposedly. Yet the plot makes her decision for her - she is forced to leave Jakku anyway and ends up joining the resistance with little aforethought. Lip service is payed to the 'refusal of the call' moment when Han offers her the job - yet again it has little to bear on the plot. Also the lightsaber dream sequence that has her running away - this makes no sense with her character which has previously been showed as very strong and confident. Perhaps she should be freaked out but Rey would want to know more, not run away in cowardice. It feels a lot more like something Finn would do.
>>64451931 Don't forget Han had to track and save him in Hoth otherwise he would have died. He literally played second fiddle to everything not requiring interaction with Darth Vader and the SJW shitheads know this which is why the faggot ran away from this debate after thinking he got us with Luke.
>>64452055 >>64451931 These are important points to make, but I feel like even if Rey struggled with her abilities her character would still be mediocre. Her character is inconsistent on a fundamental level, with a bunch of different motivations thrown in and none are really fleshed out, leaving her with a lack of meaningful purpose, something which Luke always had in spades. This is why I don't really buy into the 'Mary Sue' complaint; there's a lot more going on with the writing that's bad beyond the superficial.
>>64450591 In some ways. But those things are not in and of themselves important, as we can see from all the other Star Wars films. So who cares that it wasn't better than Star Wars? It succeeded at being Star Wars, which was the goal.
>>64457054 >has trouble taking off >becomes a master pilot flying the ship through some incredibly tight spaces and doing impossible maneuvers 10 seconds later Reyfags unironically think this disproves the whole Mary Sue thing. If anything, her struggles while taking off only highlight how retarded the following chase is
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